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> Hi,

> Here is a link to an explanation of it

> http://lassesen.com/cfids/herxheimer.htm

> Briefly,

> " The Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction (referred to as " Herx " often) is

> believed to be a reaction caused by organisms (bacteria) dying off

> and releasing toxins into the body faster than the body may

> comfortably handle it. "

>

> Laurie

Laurie

Thanks so much for your link, it is very helpful. One thing I

wonder is whether you believe it is a good thing to have a really

strong herx that makes one feel really ill and unwell when one is

taking abx or whether you would cut back the dose a bit so that the

herx is far milder or one might not feel anything at all for most of

the time.

There appears to be many different opinions on whether a very strong

herx is a good or bad thing with regard to healing our body.

Pam

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Hi Pam,

I don't think a strong herx is a good idea, no need to be so

miserable, IMHO, and for some people a strong herx could send them

to the emergency room. I like herxing a little though, so I know

I'm making progress against the infection.

So, personally, I would cut back the dose of abx for a milder herx.

Laurie

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Hi Pam et al,

when 'herxing' or suffering a 'healing crisis' I find that increasing my

intake of filtered water really helps. Stick to trying to maintain 2 litres

per day but increase that when 'die off symptoms' are worse. I haven't had a

bad 'Herx for many months - just spells of slight feverishness. Diet, detox,

and fluid increase, they are the keys. Get rid of those neurotoxins quickly

Best wishes,

Kezzi. . .

doggy532001 wrote:

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> Thanks so much for your link, it is very helpful. One thing I

> wonder is whether you believe it is a good thing to have a really

> strong herx that makes one feel really ill and unwell when one is

> taking abx or whether you would cut back the dose a bit so that the

> herx is far milder or one might not feel anything at all for most of

> the time.

>

> There appears to be many different opinions on whether a very strong

> herx is a good or bad thing with regard to healing our body.

>

> Pam

>

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  • 5 years later...

Herxheimer reaction. It's what happens when the spirochetes start

dying off. Or, actually, a couple of things...

1. Their little corpses start to rot, giving off a lot of toxins that

the body need to clear. A lot of us don't detox all that well, so this

can take a while.

2. The immune system kicks, and produces cytokines. These are enzymes

that we make to fight off viruses and bacteria. They also create most

of the symptoms we associate with flu. (In a flu, it's not the bugs

that make you feel awful; it's your own body's cytokines, produced in

great quantity to fight the bugs.)

Herx was first identified when they started treating syphilis with

antibiotics. Lyme is close enough to syphilis (also a spirochete) that

it creates the same effect.

Managing herx is one of the great challenges of healing Lyme. For a

while, anyway, the cure can be worse than the disease, until the die-

off passes. The degree of herx varies considerably with who you are,

what kind of Lyme you have, and how you and the Lyme react to any

given antibiotic. Some drugs gave me a fierce herx that dragged on for

weeks. Some have given me almost none. Some people herx so hard they

end up in the ER. Some LLMDs think that when a given drug no longer

produces this die-off reaction, it's time to change drugs.

Sara

On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:21 PM, bridget wrote:

> Can anyone explain herxing? I have heard it mentioned a number of

> times...

> Bridget

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Herxing is when the Lyme Bacteria creates a 'biofiulm' to fight off the

antibiotics. This biofilm worsens symptoms as it is toxic to the body. Thus the

worsened symtpoms is a " herxiemer reaction'.

Elaina

From: bridget <blueyes7648@...>

Subject: [ ] Herxing?

Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:21 PM

 

Can anyone explain herxing? I have heard it mentioned a number of times...

Bridget

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