H1N1

October 20, 2009

There is level where calcium metabolism starts to get screwed up and

that value is somewhere north of 200 ng/ml. To get ones level that high

without running naked all day in the tropical sun, one would need to

take 20,000 IU/day and more if one was older, fatter, or less fit. I'm

expecting, if I'm lucky, that 13,000 IU of D3 per day will bring me

close to 80 ng/ml. 20,000 for me most likely wouldn't get me past the

high end of the lab reference range, but then I've had 6-10 D blood

tests over the past several years and have a clue what supplementation

does for me summer and winter.

The rule of thumb is that 1000 IU is needed to raise one blood levels 10

ng/ml and more if one is older, fatter, etc. Most of the people I've

seen report D blood levels on other hypothyroid groups give readings in

the teens. For them, 5000 IU/day of D3 at least is needed to bring them

up say to the mid 60s.

Steve

wrote:

> Watch this video. it's great. It says 5000 IU a day will keep flu, cancer

> and such away. It also says there is not toxicity at any level, although I

> probably wouldn't take huge amounts for more than a few days at a time

> personally.

>

> http://www.youtube. <

> com/watch?v=qeg-5NDyJ84 Very interesting video on Vitamin D. A must watch!

>

> _____

>

> From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> On Behalf Of Crystal

> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:50 PM

> Subject: RE: Re: H1N1

>

> Why does it seem like everyone else is taking why higher doses than me? Do

> alternative docs suggest taking more than mainstream docs?

> CW

>

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October 20, 2009

D3 would be identified as cholecalciferol.

D2 would be identified as Ergocalciferol.

The prescription brand name Drisdol is D2.

The brand name " Maximum D3 " is D3 but it doesn't require a prescription.

Steve

Crystal wrote:

> All the bottle says is vit D I will ask the endo tomorrow

> CW

>

> -- RE: Re: H1N1

>>

>> First of all you need to be tested to see if you need extra D3. If you do,

>> then you could probably start with 1000 IUs. It's cheap, I get it at

>> Vitacost. That's how I started. Then you could be tested again in a couple

>> of months and see if you need more.

>>

>> Roni

>

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October 20, 2009

Check your blood levels before doing anything. However, one must have

been taking the same amount of D3 for 2-3 months before testing because

it has a LONG half life, several weeks, so it takes 2-3 months to get to

close to a steady blood level.

Taking D2 and then stopping results in blood levels dropping fast by day

14. Taking D3 and then stopping results in blood levels continuing to

increase after day 14. (Blood levels meaning the effective metabolite

of D as measured by blood tests.) D3 is therefore more effective and

longer lasting than D2. The body appears to remove D2 from the body in

some way rather quickly when compared to D3.

So, DON'T increase until you have your blood tested. I don't know for

certain what 13,000 IU/day will do for me. What I KNOW for certain is

that 9000 IU/day takes my blood levels to the mid 60s and that 10,000 IU

which I tried for a while didn't appear to make much of noticeable

difference when considering the range of blood work results I get on

9000 IU which range between 62 and 67 and 10,000 didn't take me over the

67 ng/ml that 9000 had taken me to in the previous blood test.

Steve

Crystal wrote:

> So you take 13,000 IU's of vit D a day x 7 days is over 90,000 IU. So you

> are taking way more than me. Maybe I should increase?....

> CW

>

> -- Re: Re: H1N1

>

> 1.25 mg of D3 is 50,000 IU of D3.

>

> Steve

>

> Crystal wrote:

>> So if I take 400 IU's a day and 1.25 MG a week how much more do I need to

>> be optimum? Keep in mind I'm pregnant! ; )

>> CW

>

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October 20, 2009

Get a copy of all your lab work from the doctor. The lab reference

range for LabCorp is 32-100 ng/ml in the USA.

Steve

Crystal wrote:

> I go in tomorrow and he always checks so we will see. I was just wondering

> if the normal ranges the docs use are different than what other

> practitioners suggest kinda like TSH.

> CW

>

> -- RE: Re: H1N1

> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 5:50 PM

>

> Why does it seem like everyone else is taking why higher doses than me? Do

> alternative docs suggest taking more than mainstream docs?

> CW

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>

> I know that there's a risk of guillain barre with the vaccines, but I'd

> rather take a chance at that, then dying.

>

> My son already had the seasonal flu vaccine a few weeks ago and just got

> sick last night with a bad cough and a fever over 100. He has an appointment

> at 11am this morning. I'm hoping they give him an anti viral medication,

> because a few years ago he had the regular flu and ended up in the hospital

> with pneumonia.

>

> Now I don't know what to do if they aren't checking for swine flu when he

> goes in....do I still get him the vaccine when it's available or assume he's

> had it? Can it hurt someone if they already had it?

>

October 21, 2009

Well, as I said it's MOL a guess. BUT: In Hashi's your immune system

_is_ functioning, as it is attacking your thyroid gland. I'd think the

real risk would be if your immune system is not functioning or is

suppressed.

..

>

> Posted by: " " vegasmomof3@...

> <mailto:vegasmomof3@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20H1N1> ginabeene

> <ginabeene>

>

> Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:42 am (PDT)

>

> I would disagree! (Politely, of course!) Hashi's is a thyroid problem, and

> thyroid is a HUGE part of the immune system. I wouldn't get it if I had

> Hashi's. Of course, I wouldn't get it at all! Take Vitamin D (1000mg or IU

> per 50lbs of body weight minimum - 150lb person would take 3000mg)

> will keep

> you from getting the flu, and if you do get it you'll get over it faster.

> I'm personally taking 5000mg a day, because that was what I saw would keep

> all colds, flu, cancer and autoimmune diseases at bay! (See the video I

> posted earlier.)

>

> _____

>

> From: hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> [mailto:hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>]

> On Behalf Of

> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:26 AM

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/4/694

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re: H1N1

>

> My somewhat uneducated guess is that Hashi's is not the type of

> auto-immune condition to which the concerns are directed. I would

> suspect the concern is more for those who have weakened auto-immune

> systems. AFAIK the auto-immune system of a Hashi's patient is

> functioning normally except for the target of its action. Those with

> none functioning auto-immune systems or those weakened such as organ

> transplant patients are probably of more concern.

>

> Luck,

>

> .

October 21, 2009

D2 is synthetic, is not as beneficial, and is toxic. It should never be taken,

but is what is given by most conventional practitioners. D3 is cholecalciferol,

which is what you want. D2 is ergocalciferol.

FULL STUDY:

STUDY CONCLUSIONS:

Vitamin D2, if given in high enough doses, prevents infantile rickets and is

capable of healing adult osteomalacia. However, the inefficiency of vitamin D2

compared with vitamin D3, on a per mole basis, at increasing 25(OH)D is now well

documented, and no successful clinical trials to date have shown that vitamin D2

prevents fractures (19-21, 47). Given the assumption that the intake of any

nutrient will deliver defined effects [ie, supplementation with vitamin D will

lead to an increase in 25(OH)D or fracture prevention], it is clear that vitamin

D2 does not fit this current nutritional notion. This is not to suggest that

vitamin D2 is not efficacious, but, because the units of the 2 forms is clearly

not equivalent, likely due to its distinct metabolic features and diminished

binding of vitamin D2 metabolites to DBP in plasma, continual application of

vitamin D2 in clinical use, including in research trials, only serves to

confound our understanding of optimal vitamin D dosing recommendations.

Furthermore, the public expects to derive the equivalent effect per unit dose of

vitamin D, whether it is vitamin D2 or vitamin D3. The scientific community is

aware that these molecules are not equivalent. Therefore, vitamin D2 should no

longer be regarded as a nutrient appropriate for supplementation or

fortification of foods.

Mike

>

> Usually a prescription is D2, not D3. D2 is nowhere as effective as D3

> and I don't think it has identical benefits to taking D3.

>

> Steve

October 21, 2009

I always get copies of labs : )

CW

-- RE: Re: H1N1

> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 5:50 PM

>

> Why does it seem like everyone else is taking why higher doses than me? Do

> alternative docs suggest taking more than mainstream docs?

> CW

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October 21, 2009

What is the correct name of the blood test for the right kind of D (D3)

D125 (1.25 dihydroxy vit D)?

or

D25 (25 hydroxy vit D)?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: H1N1

> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 5:50 PM

>

> Why does it seem like everyone else is taking why higher doses than me? Do

> alternative docs suggest taking more than mainstream docs?

> CW

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Steve, do you know what the benefit vs dose curve looks like?

Thanks,

..

>

> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

> <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20H1N1>

> dudescholar <dudescholar>

>

> Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:22 pm (PDT)

>

> There is level where calcium metabolism starts to get screwed up and

> that value is somewhere north of 200 ng/ml. To get ones level that high

> without running naked all day in the tropical sun, one would need to

> take 20,000 IU/day and more if one was older, fatter, or less fit. I'm

> expecting, if I'm lucky, that 13,000 IU of D3 per day will bring me

> close to 80 ng/ml. 20,000 for me most likely wouldn't get me past the

> high end of the lab reference range, but then I've had 6-10 D blood

> tests over the past several years and have a clue what supplementation

> does for me summer and winter.

>

> The rule of thumb is that 1000 IU is needed to raise one blood levels 10

> ng/ml and more if one is older, fatter, etc. Most of the people I've

> seen report D blood levels on other hypothyroid groups give readings in

> the teens. For them, 5000 IU/day of D3 at least is needed to bring them

> up say to the mid 60s.

>

> Steve

October 22, 2009

I don't think anyone really knows or dares say. I think that study

after study is showing that higher produces more benefits with few if

any detriments. However, there is a LOT of hesitation to recommend

amounts of D3. There are a few leading researchers that are making

recommendations on blood levels, but I get the impression that they are

being, in their mind, very conservative.

Somewhere I have an abstract on children near the equator who spend a

lot of time in the sun having blood levels naturally around 150 ng/ml.

That is 150 percent of the top end of the lab reference range in the

USA. Because of that, I'm inclined to move my blood level to the top

of the lab reference range and if I had to guess, I would guess that

blood levels of 100 ng/ml is better than anything less, all things

considered. But, I'm not in a hurry right now since a lot of research

is being published in this area.

Steve

wrote:

> Steve, do you know what the benefit vs dose curve looks like?

>

> Thanks,

>

> .

>

>> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

>> <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20H1N1>

>> dudescholar <dudescholar>

>>

>> Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:22 pm (PDT)

>>

>> There is level where calcium metabolism starts to get screwed up and

>> that value is somewhere north of 200 ng/ml. To get ones level that high

>> without running naked all day in the tropical sun, one would need to

>> take 20,000 IU/day and more if one was older, fatter, or less fit. I'm

>> expecting, if I'm lucky, that 13,000 IU of D3 per day will bring me

>> close to 80 ng/ml. 20,000 for me most likely wouldn't get me past the

>> high end of the lab reference range, but then I've had 6-10 D blood

>> tests over the past several years and have a clue what supplementation

>> does for me summer and winter.

>>

>> The rule of thumb is that 1000 IU is needed to raise one blood levels 10

>> ng/ml and more if one is older, fatter, etc. Most of the people I've

>> seen report D blood levels on other hypothyroid groups give readings in

>> the teens. For them, 5000 IU/day of D3 at least is needed to bring them

>> up say to the mid 60s.

>>

>> Steve

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October 22, 2009

they will culture him if you ask. It is important that you do bring him in to

evaluate whether it is a influenza infection vs. another respiratory infection.

if they determine that he has had the H1N1 infection, he may have developed

antibodies against it and they may make the determination that he does not need

the vaccine. It really depends on whether he has any underlying chronic diseases

and conditions that impact his immune system on a regular basis or if he takes

any medicines that impact the immune system.

Nancie

From: tyblossom@...

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:51 AM

Subject: Re: H1N1

I know that there's a risk of guillain barre with the vaccines, but I'd

rather take a chance at that, then dying.

My son already had the seasonal flu vaccine a few weeks ago and just got

sick last night with a bad cough and a fever over 100. He has an appointment

at 11am this morning. I'm hoping they give him an anti viral medication,

because a few years ago he had the regular flu and ended up in the hospital

with pneumonia.

Now I don't know what to do if they aren't checking for swine flu when he

goes in....do I still get him the vaccine when it's available or assume he's

had it? Can it hurt someone if they already had it?

In a message dated 10/19/2009 10:17:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

deifspirit@... writes:

pregnancy is included in those underlying health diseases and conditions.

the others include: diabetes, chronic heart dz; lupus, RA. MS, HIV,

Cancer, liver dz, renal dz, and any other immune related dz.

From: Crystal

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:37 PM

Subject: Re: H1N1

I have NO plans on getting vaccinated. The news always say it people with

underlying conditions that get the sickest, but they don't say what those

conditions are. Since Hashi's is an auto-immune disease I was wondering if

that was one of the underlying conditions they were referring to?

CW

-- H1N1

>> hypothyroidism <hypothyroidism%40>,

>> NaturalThyroidHormones@groups

com<NaturalThyroidHormones%40>

>> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 11:23 AM

>>

>> I'm wondering if anyone has had the H1N1 virus and how it can effect a

>> thyroid patient? I'm pregnant with Hashi's. I just found out the H1N1

>> is

>> an Influenza A. Two of my children just had influenza A, now I'm

>> wondering

>> if it was H1N1. I woke up today with a sore throat and a cough and a

>> low-grade fever. I guess the docs aren't testing for H1N1 unless the

>> symptoms are severe enough. Any suggestions????

>> CW

>>

October 22, 2009

actually it is not completely live- it has been weakened aka attenuated and it

has been formulated so that it only lives in the cooler temperatures of the

nasal region where the body makes antibodies against it. once it gets into the

body- the higher temperatures there will kill the virus in the vaccine. go to

the CDC and read their explanation.

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:20 AM

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLC081950/Vitamin-D-25-Hydroxy-Blood-\

Subject: Re: H1N1

I personally would not get or allow any children of mine to take the nasal

spray vaccine because it contains live virus. The shot contains dead virus and

that's the one I will

get for the H1N1. I already had the regular flu shot and had no reaction at all.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>>

>> From: Crystal <sweetnwright@... <sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

>> Subject: H1N1

>> hypothyroidism <hypothyroidism%40>,

>> NaturalThyroidHormones@groups

com<NaturalThyroidHormones%40>

>> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 11:23 AM

>>

>> I'm wondering if anyone has had the H1N1 virus and how it can effect a

>> thyroid patient? I'm pregnant with Hashi's. I just found out the H1N1

>> is

>> an Influenza A. Two of my children just had influenza A, now I'm

>> wondering

>> if it was H1N1. I woke up today with a sore throat and a cough and a

>> low-grade fever. I guess the docs aren't testing for H1N1 unless the

>> symptoms are severe enough. Any suggestions????

>> CW

>>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

October 22, 2009

I still would not get live virus. In fact the doctors are also saying to get the

one shot

injection rather than the spray.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

October 22, 2009

I know you research a lot. If you run across the answer please post it

here.

Thanks,

..

> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

> <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20H1N1>

> dudescholar <dudescholar>

>

> Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:51 pm (PDT)

>

> I don't think anyone really knows or dares say. I think that study

> after study is showing that higher produces more benefits with few if

> any detriments. However, there is a LOT of hesitation to recommend

> amounts of D3. There are a few leading researchers that are making

> recommendations on blood levels, but I get the impression that they are

> being, in their mind, very conservative.

>

> Somewhere I have an abstract on children near the equator who spend a

> lot of time in the sun having blood levels naturally around 150 ng/ml.

> That is 150 percent of the top end of the lab reference range in the

> USA. Because of that, I'm inclined to move my blood level to the top

> of the lab reference range and if I had to guess, I would guess that

> blood levels of 100 ng/ml is better than anything less, all things

> considered. But, I'm not in a hurry right now since a lot of research

> is being published in this area.

>

> Steve

>

> wrote:

> > Steve, do you know what the benefit vs dose curve looks like?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

October 22, 2009

Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy (This test remains mostly the same throughout the

day.)

Test.html

The other value measured production by kidneys of this particular

metabolite which is as I recall on somewhat of a " demand " basis and can

vary very substantially throughout the day, so testing is not all that

useful.

Steve

Roni Molin wrote:

> What is the correct name of the blood test for the right kind of D (D3)

>

> D125 (1.25 dihydroxy vit D)?

>

> or

>

> D25 (25 hydroxy vit D)?

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

> From: Steve <dudescholar4@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: H1N1

> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 9:35 PM

>

> Get a copy of all your lab work from the doctor. The lab reference

> range for LabCorp is 32-100 ng/ml in the USA.

>

> Steve

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October 22, 2009

Tamaflu needs to be used within 48 hours to have much of an effect,

since it effect is to stop viral reproduction, not kill viruses. After

48 hours, the process of viral reproduction is so far advanced that

tamaflu has little if any effect. The problem I see with the

prescribing practices is that 1-2 days usually passes before someone

heads to a medical clinic and then it takes 1 to several days to get the

results of a any tests for H1N1. By then, it's not only too late for

tamaflu to have an effect on the course of the disease, it's WAY too

late and one only gets the down side of tamaflu, the side effects AND

the cost.

Steve

nancie barnett wrote:

> they will culture him if you ask. It is important that you do bring him in to

evaluate whether it is a influenza infection vs. another respiratory infection.

if they determine that he has had the H1N1 infection, he may have developed

antibodies against it and they may make the determination that he does not need

the vaccine. It really depends on whether he has any underlying chronic diseases

and conditions that impact his immune system on a regular basis or if he takes

any medicines that impact the immune system.

> Nancie

>

> From: tyblossom@...

> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:51 AM

> Subject: Re: H1N1

>

> I know that there's a risk of guillain barre with the vaccines, but I'd

> rather take a chance at that, then dying.

>

> My son already had the seasonal flu vaccine a few weeks ago and just got

> sick last night with a bad cough and a fever over 100. He has an appointment

> at 11am this morning. I'm hoping they give him an anti viral medication,

> because a few years ago he had the regular flu and ended up in the hospital

> with pneumonia.

>

> Now I don't know what to do if they aren't checking for swine flu when he

> goes in....do I still get him the vaccine when it's available or assume he's

> had it? Can it hurt someone if they already had it?

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2009 10:17:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> deifspirit@... writes:

>

> pregnancy is included in those underlying health diseases and conditions.

> the others include: diabetes, chronic heart dz; lupus, RA. MS, HIV,

> Cancer, liver dz, renal dz, and any other immune related dz.

>

> From: Crystal

> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:37 PM

> Subject: Re: H1N1

>

> I have NO plans on getting vaccinated. The news always say it people with

> underlying conditions that get the sickest, but they don't say what those

> conditions are. Since Hashi's is an auto-immune disease I was wondering if

> that was one of the underlying conditions they were referring to?

> CW

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October 22, 2009

Thanks, that's what the doctor has on the lab sheet. Just making sure. I try to

check everything just as a matter of self defense. LOL!

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Steve <dudescholar4@...>

Subject: Re: Re: H1N1

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLC081950/Vitamin-D-25-Hydroxy-Blood-\

Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:37 AM

Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy (This test remains mostly the same throughout the

day.)

Test.html

The other value measured production by kidneys of this particular

metabolite which is as I recall on somewhat of a " demand " basis and can

vary very substantially throughout the day, so testing is not all that

useful.

Steve

October 22, 2009

What you say makes sense to me. So what do you suggest if someone comes down

with what seems to be the flu? Also, what if it's a cold? Can Tamiflu hurt you

if you don't actually have the flu?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> they will culture him if you ask. It is important that you do bring him in to

evaluate whether it is a influenza infection vs. another respiratory infection.

if they determine that he has had the H1N1 infection, he may have developed

antibodies against it and they may make the determination that he does not need

the vaccine. It really depends on whether he has any underlying chronic diseases

and conditions that impact his immune system on a regular basis or if he takes

any medicines that impact the immune system.

> Nancie

>

> From: tyblossom@...

> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:51 AM

> Subject: Re: H1N1

>

> I know that there's a risk of guillain barre with the vaccines, but I'd

> rather take a chance at that, then dying.

>

> My son already had the seasonal flu vaccine a few weeks ago and just got

> sick last night with a bad cough and a fever over 100. He has an appointment

> at 11am this morning. I'm hoping they give him an anti viral medication,

> because a few years ago he had the regular flu and ended up in the hospital

> with pneumonia.

>

> Now I don't know what to do if they aren't checking for swine flu when he

> goes in....do I still get him the vaccine when it's available or assume he's

> had it? Can it hurt someone if they already had it?

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2009 10:17:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> deifspirit@... writes:

>

> pregnancy is included in those underlying health diseases and conditions.

> the others include: diabetes, chronic heart dz; lupus, RA. MS, HIV,

> Cancer, liver dz, renal dz, and any other immune related dz.

>

> From: Crystal

> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:37 PM

> Subject: Re: H1N1

>

> I have NO plans on getting vaccinated. The news always say it people with

> underlying conditions that get the sickest, but they don't say what those

> conditions are. Since Hashi's is an auto-immune disease I was wondering if

> that was one of the underlying conditions they were referring to?

> CW

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October 22, 2009

However, if one person in the family gets sick most likey the doc will rx

tamiflu for the rest. I took tamiflu (one dose) and it made me sicker than

the pig flu!

CW

-- Re: H1N1

Tamaflu needs to be used within 48 hours to have much of an effect,

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October 22, 2009

One point is that is was developed to ONLY work in the cooler temperatures of

the nasal cavity. It does not live in the rest of the body. The OTHER Point is

that attenuated means that the some of the DNA is altered to NOT cause the

disease but to provoke the body to create antibodies against the virus. it can

not cause the H1N1 flu.

From: Crystal

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:11 AM

Subject: H1N1

Nancie the weakened virus still sheds.

CW

Actually it is not completely live- it has been weakened aka attenuated and it

has been formulated so that it only lives in the cooler temperatures of the

nasal region where the body makes antibodies against it. Once it gets into the

body- the higher temperatures there will kill the virus in the vaccine. Go to

the CDC and read their explanation.

October 22, 2009

the shot was always 1 injection, what they are saying is that you don't need to

take 2 doses of the nasal spray like you do with the regular flu vaccine. 1 mist

spray is doing the job. whx is good because that means more of the vaccine is

available.

I don't have the time to post the link to cdc's web page where it explains it

all right now, but you can look it up and see what the mist is all about and

where it dispels all the rumors and non-facts about this formulation.

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:11 AM

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/public/vaccination_qa_pub.htm

Subject: Re: H1N1

I still would not get live virus. In fact the doctors are also saying to get

the one shot

injection rather than the spray.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

October 22, 2009

You are wrong. If you get the flumist you get the live virus and shedding

will occur. The fact sheet says that you should avoid immune compromised

people for 21 days after receiving the mist. How can the H1N1 flu not cause

the H1N1 flu???

CW

-- H1N1

Nancie the weakened virus still sheds.

CW

Actually it is not completely live- it has been weakened aka attenuated and

it has been formulated so that it only lives in the cooler temperatures of

the nasal region where the body makes antibodies against it. Once it gets

into the body- the higher temperatures there will kill the virus in the

vaccine. Go to the CDC and read their explanation.

October 22, 2009

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/nasalspray.htm

an excerpt:

Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu?

Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses.

However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The

weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause

infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot

infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children

and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions

after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion

or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults

18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills,

tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and

short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection.

the flu mist is only for healthy people ages 2 to 49.

* " Healthy " indicates persons who do not have an underlying medical condition

that predisposes them to influenza complications.

From: nancie barnett

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:45 PM

Subject: Re: H1N1

One point is that is was developed to ONLY work in the cooler temperatures of

the nasal cavity. It does not live in the rest of the body. The OTHER Point is

that attenuated means that the some of the DNA is altered to NOT cause the

disease but to provoke the body to create antibodies against the virus. it can

not cause the H1N1 flu.

From: Crystal

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:11 AM