Re: Lyme and depression

[Guest guest]

wh;y can't you take anti depressants. They help.

sarah

[ ] Lyme and depression

Hi all,

I wanted to write because I'm feeling very depressed with the Lyme and I

can't seem to take any steps to help myself. It's been feeling as though

my

level of functioning has been about 15-20% for the last couple of months.

Bad!

From the beginning Lyme messed up the part of my brain that deals with

organizing and coordinating; and it's only become worse.

Taking prescription anti-depressants is not an option. I did a Rife

treatment Sunday and started some metronizadole and doxy on Monday. My

body

typically tolerates those for one to three days.

I just want to start a conversation about this as a way to get myself out

of

it and move forward in healing, because I've been sinking way too low.

Let's talk!

Thanks all,

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Hi Deanna

I didn't have the depression part of lyme but in the beginning I had the

extreme anxiety...which I feel was from the encephalopathy or swelling that the

infection can cause in the brain. There is a new lyme newspaper out called The

Public Health Alert. My article concerning lyme.....depression and several of

it's causes hopefully will be in the issue after the one coming up. I just

touched on some of the causes such as thyroid problems, hypoglycemia and

encephalopathy. The point of the article is to try and take the emphasis off of

antidepressants (which often cause the very symptoms they are supposed to

relieve) and place it on treating the actual cause of the problem. Have you had

your thyroid checked? Are you being treated with antibiotics? Do you crave

sugar?

Margie

bluesky <bluesky@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I wanted to write because I'm feeling very depressed with the Lyme and I

can't seem to take any steps to help myself. It's been feeling as though my

level of functioning has been about 15-20% for the last couple of months.

Bad!

From the beginning Lyme messed up the part of my brain that deals with

organizing and coordinating; and it's only become worse.

Taking prescription anti-depressants is not an option. I did a Rife

treatment Sunday and started some metronizadole and doxy on Monday. My body

typically tolerates those for one to three days.

I just want to start a conversation about this as a way to get myself out of

it and move forward in healing, because I've been sinking way too low.

Let's talk!

Thanks all,

Deanna

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I think that some people do need antidepressants as a stop gap measure till one

can discover the reason why they may be depressed. This is something I wrote a

while back. It's not meant to scare anyone but we must be aware of the possible

agendas that people/corporations have so that we can avoid the pitfalls of

buying into the advertising propaganda to promote symptomatic treatments

.....instead of ones that cure or address the basic underlying reason for the

depression or anxiety. Of course here we are not speaking of situational mood

problems ( cause by life situations) but by mood problems caused by chemicals,

drugs or microbes..

Margie

Antidepressants - Motives Behind The Push

By Marjorie Tietjen

October 24, 2003 It has become increasingly obvious that there may be

diabolical motives behind the intense push for antidepressant consumption.

Antidepressants are immune suppressive, can cause violent tendencies, suicidal

thoughts, depersonalization, complete changes in personality and depression, the

very symptom this drug is supposed to alleviate.

I highly recommend a book by Ann Blake . I encourage you to read it and

pass it on. The title is " Prozac, Panacea or Pandora " . It is an excellent eye

opener. The following is a quote from her book. " A Yale study , which was

released in March 1991, indicates that one out of seven of their patients

suffered intense suicidal preoccupation or intense feelings of violence. They

state very clearly , that from their observations, this is not a coincidence,

but a reaction directly related to Prozac. If we use their one out of seven

figure, or approximately 15%, we are looking at an astounding figure of

1,350,000 patients, three quarters of a million patients experiencing the most

serious of Prozac's adverse reactions - adverse reactions which affect not only

the patient but all of society. "

Many chronically ill patients with disease labels such as Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, ALS, MS, Parkinson's, Gulf War Illness, Alzheimer's,

Lyme, etc., are essentially being denied curative treatment, in the form of

antibiotics and natural substances. Most insurance companies do not cover

naturopathic services. This seems odd to me considering preventative treatments

would save the insurance companies large sums of money. Many have been recently

raising the question as to why, using certain lab tests, many patients with

these diseases are found to be infected with mycoplasma, the lyme spirochete and

other microbes which are treatable with antibiotics. Certain government agencies

are very aware of this situation. Why then is nothing being done about it?

Instead of curative treatment, we are being told that our symptoms are all in

our head, therefore we must need psychoactive drugs. The SSRI drugs , which

include Paxil, Prozac and Zoloft, suppress the immune

system, so......not only are we being denied curative treatments but we are

being coerced into using drugs which further weaken our already fragile immune

systems. I wonder how many of you are on these drugs yourselves or know someone

that is ?

The following is another excerpt from Ann Blake 's book. " The CIA had a

great interest in drugs for chemical warfare and mind control in particular.

After several years of using Scopolamine and liquid marijuana, they began

searching for additional, even stronger mind altering drugs and turned to LSD.

Their goal was to find a chemical which would: 1. cause a disruption in memory,

2. discredit individuals by producing aberant behavior, 3. alter sexual

patterns, 4. elicit information from the person, 5. open one's mind to

suggestion for mind control, and 6. create addiction and dependence. If the

reader will turn to the chapter entitled " Patient Reports " , they will find those

on Prozac reporting all six of these results as reactions to the drug. "

Many of us who are aware of what is really happening in our society,

concerning chemtrails, the push for One World Government, etc., try to warn

others. We have been very puzzled and frustrated at the general lack of concern.

Most people just don't seem to care and change the subject when presented with

this information.

There are many methods of producing apathy....through propaganda, subliminal

messages, specific electronic frequencies, chemicals, and more. Could the use of

antidepressents be playing a role in the zombification of our nation? A book

published by Stanford University in 1983 " On Nineteen Eighty Four " , extensively

explains how these chemicals erode our identities and it's devastating effects

on society as a whole. Many report that these drugs affect one's ability to

connect spiritually. Patients on Prozac report that it rips out one's soul.

A quote from " Toxic Psychiatry " by Dr. Breggin. " I saw no mystery in how the

treatments worked. By damaging the brain and mind, they made the patients docile

and passive...suitable for control within these abusive institutions. The

frontal lobes are the seat of higher human functions such as love, concern for

others, empathy, insight, creativity, initiative, autonomy, rationality,

abstract reasoning, judgement, future planning, foresight, willpower,

determination and concentration. The frontal lobes allow us to be human in the

full sense of that word. They are required for a civilized, effective, mature

life. "

Psychiatric drugs are designed to interfere with the neurotransmitters which

connect the frontal lobes of the brain with the rest of the brain. This creates

a lobotomy effect.

A large portion of the population who are experiencing symptoms such as

depression, anxiety or panic attacks, may actually be suffering from a brain

infection. For example, irritability, rage, depression and panic attacks are

only some of the brain symptoms that can be produced by the lyme spirochete and

certain strains of mycoplasma. Wouldn't it make more sense to treat the

underlying cause rather than allowing the disease to progress by covering up the

symptoms? Adding immune suppression to the picture, caused by antidepressents,

makes a recipe for disaster. We must not leave out the fact that natural life

circumstances are also a cause for depression....but it is then the situation

and our response to it which needs attention. Here again, antidepressents only

mask the underlying problem.

I'd like to share one more quote from the book " Prozac, Panacea Or Pandora " .

" Prozac blocks out too many necessary life generating emotions. It tends to dull

the higher feelings while enhancing the animalistic feelings. When Prozac

affects the mood centers to block out what we would classify as " bad " feelings,

it also blocks out the " good " feelings. Aren't feelings there to let us know we

do exist and to increase our awareness of ourselves and our surroundings? Is it

worth cutting those unpleasant feelings out of our life , if we at the same time

cut out the feelings of love, concern, empathy, hope - all the good feelings?

Without feelings are we really alive? Are we human? And if we can no longer

feel, is life " real " for us and worth living? How terribly depressing it must be

to feel nothing. "

One can see how easy it would be to gain total control of a nation of drugged

apathetic citizens. People seem to be losing the ability to care, reason and

evaluate the events taking place in our world. Many of us can't even remember

what we did yesterday. More of us need to step out of the crowd, voice our

opinions and share constructive information with others. The future of our world

depends on each and every one of us. While you're at it, don't forget to spread

some love around. That is the most essential ingredient!

Please refer to Ann Blake 's book for natural solutions

Marjorie Tietjen writes for The Journal Of Degenerative Disease, a nonprofit

quarterly magazine of The Common Cause Medical Research Foundation. Her primary

focus is on investigation into why there are so many emerging diseases, why the

symptoms of these diseases overlap to such a degree, why there are no cures,

only treatments and what role Governments and corporations play in all this. All

of her major essays can be viewed at

http://www.congregator.net/medicalnews/tietjen/index.html. She may be contacted

via E-mail at daystar1952@... She encourages reproduction of this material

provided it remains intact, including this statement.

Address questions or comments to: congregator@...

fsmfarms <fsmfarms@...> wrote:

wh;y can't you take anti depressants. They help.

sarah

[ ] Lyme and depression

Hi all,

I wanted to write because I'm feeling very depressed with the Lyme and I

can't seem to take any steps to help myself. It's been feeling as though

my

level of functioning has been about 15-20% for the last couple of months.

Bad!

From the beginning Lyme messed up the part of my brain that deals with

organizing and coordinating; and it's only become worse.

Taking prescription anti-depressants is not an option. I did a Rife

treatment Sunday and started some metronizadole and doxy on Monday. My

body

typically tolerates those for one to three days.

I just want to start a conversation about this as a way to get myself out

of

it and move forward in healing, because I've been sinking way too low.

Let's talk!

Thanks all,

Deanna

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fsmfarms wrote:

> wh;y can't you take anti depressants. They help.

1. adverse reactions

2. my body is having a hard time handling all the Rx drugs I'm taking now

3. cognitive behavioral therapy is more effective than drugs

4. it's a healthy motto to think: drugs last, not first

5. they seem to do more harm than good to my body.

Thanks!

Deanna

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Marjorie Tietjen wrote:

> I didn't have the depression part of lyme but in the beginning I had the

> extreme anxiety...which I feel was from the encephalopathy or swelling that

> the infection can cause in the brain.

Dear Marjorie,

This was particularly helpful for me to read your note. Thank you.

At my request almost three weeks ago my doctor ordered an increased level of

thyroid replacement medication, even though my blood tests show that I

already have too much in my system. Three cheers for those doctors who

treat the patient rather than the blood test! It seems to have helped my

mental focus and energy level.

And now, just reaching out and writing to this group as well as to another

group has started to help me.

In the past Flagyl has helped, but given the level of Lyme/brain function It

will take weeks and weeks to get to get out of the crisis stage. (And by

crisis I mean functioning producively, not jumping off a bridge.)

Today I started taking flax oil and as soon as this bottle is used up I'm

going to get some Carlson's fish or cod liver oil. This is supposed to help

A LOT(!) not only for brain issues but other health issues I have.

I also decided to start taking a daily cup of green and or black tea. This

is also good for the brain and other things that are pertinent to me.

About 5 or 6 years ago when I experienced a deep depression and great

anxiety (accompanied by sweats and other symptoms which I now understand to

have been Lyme and babesia) and went to a day program at an incredible

psychiatric hospital about an hour away from me. The whole thing was based

on CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy). I learned that CBT has been shown in

scientific studies to be more effective than antidepressants. It was only

when I was diagnosed with Lyme a year after that intense depression that I

realized a major cause of the agitated depression was microbial.

And to answer your question, I'm not craving sweets, but I've definitely

been craving fats......for almost a year now. It's odd.

Thanks again.

Be well,

Deanna

There is a new lyme newspaper out called The Public Health Alert. My article

concerning lyme.....depression and several of it's causes hopefully will be

in the issue after the one coming up. I just touched on some of the causes

such as thyroid problems, hypoglycemia and encephalopathy. The point of the

article is to try and take the emphasis off of antidepressants (which often

cause the very symptoms they are supposed to relieve) and place it on

treating the actual cause of the problem. Have you had your thyroid checked?

Are you being treated with antibiotics? Do you crave sugar?

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Marjorie Tietjen wrote:

> The Public Health Alert.

Dear Marjorie,

Would you please give me a link for this? There are a million sites with

this name under a Google search.

Thanks,

Deanna

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>

> Hi all,

>

> I wanted to write because I'm feeling very depressed with the Lyme and I

> can't seem to take any steps to help myself. It's been feeling as

though my

> level of functioning has been about 15-20% for the last couple of

months.

> Bad!

>

> From the beginning Lyme messed up the part of my brain that deals with

> organizing and coordinating; and it's only become worse.

>

> Taking prescription anti-depressants is not an option. I did a Rife

> treatment Sunday and started some metronizadole and doxy on Monday.

My body

> typically tolerates those for one to three days.

>

> I just want to start a conversation about this as a way to get

myself out of

> it and move forward in healing, because I've been sinking way too low.

>

> Let's talk!

>

> Thanks all,

> Deanna

>

Hello i was on antibiotics for lyme the flagyl and the doxy PLEASE

BECAREFUL with these i was on these 5 months taking a very high dose

of each yeah my stomache could handle it .my doctor ignored the side

effects i had and i continued to take this stuff till i went from

200lbs to 160 lbs it was very sneaky i also lost muscletone left me a

47 yr old lookin like a skinny emaciated old man. i ended up stopping

the antibiotics on my own my doctor wasnt happy with me at ALL. Also

watch for bad doctors who dont pay attention to what ur complaining of

thats most of em in my experience these days.i currently have had no

doctor for the last 2 months hard to find one lyme lit here in az .

one said he was i went to see him 3 days ago he told i didnt have lyme

i had a form of arthritis and i should seek treatment for it gave me a

prescription for the pain and swelling charged 225.00 including co pay

and sent me on my way he dint even listen to me or look at previous

doctors records i brought with me .I was outraged . I decided to go

off the cowden protocol as i have been on that the last couple of

months str8 once again on my own .god i am way off the subject now sorry .

butch

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Dear ,

Thanks for taking the time to explain your perpective.

I'm sure that all that you wrote is true for you, but your body's reactions

are not necessarily the same as someone else's.

And your experience with cognitive therapy is yours; it was different for

those in the research studies that showed different results.

Wishing you all the best,

Deanna

fsmfarms wrote:

> Describe adverse reactions. Are you having a Psy dr prescribe it or a

> general MD. Only Psy drs know how to match the symptoms w/the drugs. I asked

> them how they describe and it depends on the depression symptoms.

>

> If you have depression your body will be sicker anyway. Just depression

> causes more physical complaints. I have had it for over 30 yrs, and long

> before lyme, so I am a pro at 30 yrs on antidepressants. What drugs and

> reactions you are handing for lyme is more than likely a herx. No, cognitive

> therapy is not more effective. I have done both and I did not get well on

> cognitive therapy. Depression is a chemical imbalance and the lyme is

> throwing your chemicals out of wack. Usually depression meds can be switched

> if side effects are bad and intolerable. It just depends which is more

> important be depressed or just deal w/minimal side effects. Your choice and

> your decision.

>

> The meds take at least 2 wks to show any improvement and the effects

> usuallly go away as your body adjusts. Remember it takes time for your body

> to get the serotin levels back to normal.

>