DHEA

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dhea is not a good thing to play with. If you don't know what to do it

can kill you...

My dhea is closely monitored by the docotr. I would defiantely reccomend

asking a doctor before taking it. I have not had any problems with it as of

yet.

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DHEA is a hormone. It is actually a precursor to many other hormones and can

really foul things up if taken casually, not under a preofessional's care. It

has many side effects similar to steroids and carries warnings such as not to

take if you are running a higher than normal risk of cancer.

On another topic, maybe this group needs to be moderated to keep the script

hawkers and snake oil salespeople off.

Dennis

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Hi Sandy, I treat my thyroid with armour. I have used most

synthetics, but had to many problems with them. Since I had

radioactive iodine for my thyroid, using the coconut oil to raise my

metabolism was not very effective for me, but it has helped others I

know with nourishing their thyroid. I think you should also check on

the thyroid forums for some answers also. Here are some groups you

can check:

naturalthyroidhormones@groups

The_Thyroid_Support_Group@groups

Thyroid@groups

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Youy can also get information on these groups about how some of the

members are using DHEA.

F.

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> I am kind of a lurker, but I really do enjoy reading of all of

your

> experiences. I've been on here for about a year after hearing about

c. oil.

> This will be my first post.

>

> I was wondering if anybody here has had any thyroid problems and

what they

> treated it with? I am currently looking into DHEA and researching

it for a

> dear aunt.

>

> Thanks so much for your time and responses!

>

> Sandy

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I agree. it really helped me.

Gracia

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> I suspect you didnt take enough DHEA. Pharmaceutical grade DHEA will

> make you feel great. I take 7-keto DHEA 50mg but regular DHEA 50mg would

> work just as well.

As I recall, it was 25 mg, but you would think that even half the dose

should have some noticeable effect.

Chuck

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HI Frances

I need to tell you off and mention that you should NEVER just use supplements in the hope that you will lose weight. DHEA is a hormone that you secrete less and less of as you get older, and you use it to replace what isn't there anymore. It will not help you lose weight, as thyroid supplements will not help you lose weight. You will lose weight once you get on the correct dose of hormone replacement and your body starts acting as it should again, and that will happen naturally. Once I got onto Armour and the correct dose, I didn't diet, I didn't use other things to try to lose weight, but I lost 2 stones naturally.

If you take DHEA, you should take 25 mgs daily. It takes up to 3 months for most people to begin to feel any benefit, which means, if you started now, by the middle of June you could be feeling so much better. It is a natural substance and should not harm you in any way, if you take it as instructed and not try to over do things.

Luv - Sheila

DHEA

Can anyone tell me if they have tried DHEA. I bought some from Bioviaand now worry about using it. I thought it may help me to loose someweight as nothing I do seems to get the weight down. I am awaitingtest results for pernicious anemia and diabetes at the moment and myblood results showed that I needed more T4 . ( I am on 4 grains ofArmour and 20 mg of T3) so of course treating all of these may helpsomewhat but if that doesn't work then I would like to try DHEA.Many thanks Frances

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Hi Sheila

Many thanks for your reply. I do understand that I am not taking

enough Armour and am upping it very slowly but I just get so

frustrated by my weight. When I was first diagnosed fifteen years ago

my GP said, as he handed me the prescription for thyroxine " Well now

watch the weight drop off " I am still waiting!!I do believe that other

related health problems haven't helped but I do so long to get back to

at least a little bit more like my natural weight(I have gained about

five stone in the last 15 years!)I eat healthy food and follow all the

guidelines and exercise but nothing seems to work so as you can

imagine one begins to clutch at straws. I shall wait to see what my

next test results are before I try DHEA but I just wanted to make sure

that I wouldn't end up doing more harm than good by taking it.

Luv Frances

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With hypothyroidism, having such a low metabolism means that we simply cannot burtn off excess calories (or any calories for that matter) - hence the weight gain. once you get on the right dose of Armour, you should start to lose it. It really does sound as if you need to start taking a higher dose Frances.

Luv - Sheila

Re: DHEA

Hi SheilaMany thanks for your reply. I do understand that I am not takingenough Armour and am upping it very slowly but I just get sofrustrated by my weight. When I was first diagnosed fifteen years agomy GP said, as he handed me the prescription for thyroxine "Well nowwatch the weight drop off" I am still waiting!!I do believe that otherrelated health problems haven't helped but I do so long to get back toat least a little bit more like my natural weight(I have gained aboutfive stone in the last 15 years!)I eat healthy food and follow all theguidelines and exercise but nothing seems to work so as you canimagine one begins to clutch at straws. I shall wait to see what mynext test results are before I try DHEA but I just wanted to make surethat I wouldn't end up doing more harm than good by taking it.Luv Frances

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Hi Frances,

I showed low Dhea and have been taking it now for over a year

without problems. I did not feel a thing! But now I do feel it has made a

subtle difference- I just feel more stable I can't really think how else to

put it- I just cope better I am now weaning myself off Pred after 7 years.

Last time I failed with this, but I think that this time's success is down

to the DHEA.

Subject: DHEA

Can anyone tell me if they have tried DHEA. I bought some from Biovia

and now worry about using it.

Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always

consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication.

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Hi Frances

I do not think you should take more than 5mg of dhea per day, & only then if you need it. I started on 5mg when I had my ovaries removed, and then stopped for a while, before restarting after having the ASI & starting HC. I have never taken more than 5mg/day. If you take more than this you could get facial hair etc. Some doctors say to take up to 25mg, but other say never more than 5mg, & I prefer the smaller approach because then you can take it for longer and we produce less as we get older. DHEA will not help with weight loss.

Val

Can anyone tell me if they have tried DHEA. I bought some from Bioviaand now worry about using it. I thought it may help me to loose someweight .Many thanks Frances

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I started on 5mg when I had my ovaries removed, and then stopped for a

while, before restarting after having the ASI & starting HC. I have

never taken more than 5mg/day.

Val, did you have low cortisol and dhea? I have both at my latest

test last week. I have 2 1/2 weeks to to to see Dr P and wonder

whether to start on something other than the NAE. I know one of our

members takes isocort bezwecken from the states. Has anyone else any

experience. I feel I need to be making a start as I am going slowly

mad here. Today has been AWFUL, I haven't known what to do with

myself. I have tried to rest and failed, tried to get dressed and

only just managed this afternoon in time to get food from the

supermarket to stuff down me to make the pain go away. I am really

asking myself what is the point to my tiny existence. I ache and my

muscles are twitching and my head is wired ....

luv keri

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HI Val and Frances

According to Dr Hertoghe (and as far as I am concerned, he is the god of all things hormone) he says that to begin DHEA treatment if you have a deficiency, it can be started at the dose that should correct the deficiency. You would need to get tested to see how deficient you were. He says some caution should be taken with women who have a tendency toward body hair and acne, and persons with severe (untreated) cortisol deficiency as unbalanced DHEA intakemay worsen these conditions. For such people, they could take 7-keto DHEA which has no androgenic potential.

The most convenient way to take DHEA is orally as this route provides satisfactory blood levels of DHEA sulphate for 22 to 24 hours. Theoretically, the transdermal route would be better as it avoids any accumulation of DHEA in the liver which occurs when DHEA is taken orally. However, due to poor skin absorption, very high and expensive doses of DHEA are necessary to match the efficacy of oral DHEA.

He recommends that for women, they take 5 to 30 mgs/day for most DHEA deficiencies.

I was advised to take 25 mgs daily, which I took for over a year with no problems at all. Most hypothyroids are deficient in the necessary hormones we need and need to take higher doses, and DHEA decreases with age, so we have a double whammy.

If you have Dr Peatfield's book, he has a good chapter about the role of DHEA and its importance.

luv - Sheila

Re:DHEA

Hi Frances

I do not think you should take more than 5mg of dhea per day, & only then if you need it. I started on 5mg when I had my ovaries removed, and then stopped for a while, before restarting after having the ASI & starting HC. I have never taken more than 5mg/day. If you take more than this you could get facial hair etc. Some doctors say to take up to 25mg, but other say never more than 5mg, & I prefer the smaller approach because then you can take it for longer and we produce less as we get older. DHEA will not help with weight loss.

Val

Can anyone tell me if they have tried DHEA. I bought some from Bioviaand now worry about using it. I thought it may help me to loose someweight .Many thanks Frances

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Hi Keri,

Val, did you have low cortisol and dhea? I have both at my latest test last week.

V; Yes I did.

I have 2 1/2 weeks to to to see Dr P and wonder whether to start on something other than the NAE. I know one of our members takes isocort bezwecken from the states. Has anyone else any experience.

V; Perhaps the adrenaline in NAE does not suit you. I know I did not take this because I felt I was already anxious enough & so did not want to take a product with adrenaline in it. I tried other adrenal glandulars but did not notice any difference when I stopped taking them. I also take isocort (as well as hc) but play with my doses taking hc always first thing & last thing at night, and generally taking isocort about 12 oclock & if I remember my 3rd dose before 6pm I may take isocort then & if not hc for it, as isocort can wire me up & stop me being ready to sleep later. If I feel at all anxious or wired up I will take hc instead of isocort at any dose time. Isocort is more convenient as I can take it without food, but hc is more calming I find.

I feel I need to be making a start as I am going slowly mad here. Today has been AWFUL, I haven't known what to do with myself. I have tried to rest and failed, tried to get dressed and only just managed this afternoon in time to get food from the supermarket to stuff down me to make the pain go away. I am really asking myself what is the point to my tiny existence. I ache and my muscles are twitching and my head is wired ....

V; Can you not talk to Dr Peatfield on the phone to ask whether you can start something now? I am sure if he could "look" at your adrenal results he would quickly give some starting advice.

Val

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Perhaps the adrenaline in NAE does not suit you. I know I did not

take this because I felt I was already anxious enough & so did not

want to take a product with adrenaline in it.

Interesting Val. I think I was better on the Dr s dynamite

adrenals - I was still anxious but less so.

I will try Dr P in advance as you suggest. Perhaps a phone call today

would be a start.

Thank you so much Val. Are you goint to the get together end March?

luv keri

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Call him now Keri - I know he is in because we ahve been speaking on the phone about an hour earlier. If he is on the phone, use "ringback" by pressing 5 and you will get a call back when he is free.

Good luck, and let us know what he suggests.

Luv - Sheila

Re:DHEA

Perhaps the adrenaline in NAE does not suit you. I know I did not take this because I felt I was already anxious enough & so did not want to take a product with adrenaline in it.Interesting Val. I think I was better on the Dr s dynamite adrenals - I was still anxious but less so.I will try Dr P in advance as you suggest. Perhaps a phone call today would be a start.Thank you so much Val. Are you goint to the get together end March?luv keri

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> Call him now Keri - Wow have just spoken to the man himself, Dr P.

Summary whilst I can remember:

I told him I've been on adrenal support since Budd last

April. He hasn't heard of being 'hyper' on NAE but accepts what I

say and says to back off to 2 a day (from 4). I gave him my reecent

cortisol at 20 (ref 20-40) and low dhea and he says I could start

the AT. Told him I had tried it but felt jittery and worse. So he

has said that the 20 is not high enough and to go for Cortes from

Internaional Pharmacy and do as follows:

5mg dose

1/2 x 2 a day for 1 week

then up to 3 x 1/2 a day and

4 x 1/2 a day (not sure about time span for the latter to). I am

aiming for 10 a day. Then I can have 'another crack at the AT' when

I see him. I've got 17 days till I see him and obviously got to get

the stuff from the States.

Also to take 2 x NAE a day

Does that make sense Sheila?

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It does make sense Keri - and get ordering today so you get it as soon as possible. Can't remember what the shipping deal is to get it to you as quick as possible, but it will tell you on the website. Good luck, I am glad you managed to speak with him.

Luv - Sheila

Re:DHEA

> Call him now Keri - Wow have just spoken to the man himself, Dr P.Summary whilst I can remember:I told him I've been on adrenal support since Budd last April. He hasn't heard of being 'hyper' on NAE but accepts what I say and says to back off to 2 a day (from 4). I gave him my reecent cortisol at 20 (ref 20-40) and low dhea and he says I could start the AT. Told him I had tried it but felt jittery and worse. So he has said that the 20 is not high enough and to go for Cortes from Internaional Pharmacy and do as follows:5mg dose1/2 x 2 a day for 1 weekthen up to 3 x 1/2 a day and4 x 1/2 a day (not sure about time span for the latter to). I am aiming for 10 a day. Then I can have 'another crack at the AT' when I see him. I've got 17 days till I see him and obviously got to get the stuff from the States.Also to take 2 x NAE a dayDoes that make sense Sheila?

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No. I would be terrified of driving that far anyway, but perhaps could have arranged a week in a cottage somewhere with my OH & dogs nearby, but I am going away for the following weekend, and so this as well would be too much for me.

Val

Thank you so much Val. Are you goint to the get together end March?luv keri

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there were a bunch of articles of hypothesized benefits on the same page as

this one. A combination of DHEA and Iodoral appears to be very beneficial.

What would the risk be of replacing a bioidentical hormone you are low in?

Gracia

None of the hypothesized benefits of DHEA have shown up in actual tests. This

is just the latest. Of course, I haven't seen any of the hypothesized risks

proven, either. - Chuck

DHEA Supplements Not Effective In Treating Cognitive Decline, Study Suggests

ScienceDaily (May 24, 2008) — DHEA supplements are widely-available and

touted as a preventive agent for many chronic diseases. A new study published in

Journal of the American Geriatrics Society finds no evidence of a beneficial

effect of DHEA supplements on cognitive function in healthy older adults. ..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080521171805.htm

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Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> ... What would the risk be of replacing a bioidentical hormone you are low

in?

Cancer. Testicular and ovarian are the ones they usually list first, but DHEA is

a precursor for several hormones, not just testosterone.

Chuck

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oh you mean like cancers that young ppl get from all their hormones?

actually I thought all the studies never implicated bioidentical hormones,

only the synthetic ones.

Gracia

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> ... What would the risk be of replacing a bioidentical hormone you are low

in?

Cancer. Testicular and ovarian are the ones they usually list first, but DHEA

is a precursor for several hormones, not just testosterone.

Chuck

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Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> oh you mean like cancers that young ppl get from all their hormones?

Yes, exactly.

> actually I thought all the studies never implicated bioidentical

> hormones, only the synthetic ones.

You thought wrong! Breast cancer risk increases with earlier onset of

menarche. It goes down for women that give birth and breast feed. All of

these things change the natural production of estrogen.

Chuck

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I used to get mine from here Mandy - they also have an office in Ireland you can contact direct. http://www.pharmwest.com/order.html

luv - sheila

Hi all - can anyone tell me where to buy a reliable DHEA product thatis made under pharm conditionsThanksregards,Mandy

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Hi Mandy,

dunno about pharm conditions, but i use www.biovea.com

> thyroid treatment > From: amanda.jennings@...> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:23:23 +0000> Subject: DHEA> > Hi all - can anyone tell me where to buy a reliable DHEA product that> is made under pharm conditions> > Thanks> > regards,> > Mandy> > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Hi Sioban

Can you post your results again. I see you are already taking

20mg Cortef so doubt you would need further supplementation, but you might

benefit from 25 mcgs DHEA if that is very low.

Luv - Sheila

Hi again Sheila ,

Made a pigs ear of my last post, sent it to your personal email.

couldn't think how to start a new subject , am new to forums ! Got it

sorted now though.....blame it on the " fog ! "

I posted you my DHEA results which are low ,I think . Dr P didn't

mention supplementing . Could you advise please, if you cant find

email , I'll post again.

Thanks Sheila , Sioban

PS I'm taking T3 75mcg, cortef 20mg , natural progesterone 100mg (I get

it in tablet form now from USA )

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Hi Sheila ,

here are my results !

Ref range (nmol/L)

DHEA Mean 0.25 ref range 0.30 - 1.00

DHEA :

Cortisol Ratio 1.7 1.00 - 4.0

Sheila just to let you know , I have signed both petitions and Iam going to get family and friends to sign as well . Thankyou so much to both you and for your concern and commitment to this cause .

I hope I will be able to do something concrete to get the message out there too.

I have already spoken to a few sjogrens syndrome support advisers , to make them aware that the TSH test is missing cases of hypothyroidism , and that T4 alone is not suitable for everyone.

Please don't give up, we have got to put a stop to this sorry state of affairs .

luv Sioban

From: Sheila <sheilaturner@...>Subject: RE: DHEAthyroid treatment Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 10:08 AM

Hi Sioban

Can you post your results again. I see you are already taking 20mg Cortef so doubt you would need further supplementation, but you might benefit from 25 mcgs DHEA if that is very low.

Luv - Sheila

Hi again Sheila ,Made a pigs ear of my last post, sent it to your personal email. couldn't think how to start a new subject , am new to forums ! Got it sorted now though.....blame it on the " fog !"I posted you my DHEA results which are low ,I think . Dr P didn't mention supplementing . Could you advise please, if you cant find email , I'll post again.Thanks Sheila , Sioban PS I'm taking T3 75mcg, cortef 20mg , natural progesterone 100mg (I get it in tablet form now from USA )