Re: Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

[Guest guest]

Are you using a Psy Dr or just a GP? I use Psy and LLMD due to my

depression and lyme. I would say if your only symptom is depression then I

would begin to think like the Dr. When you have lyme you have other

symptoms that go hand in hand. So, I would go to Psy Dr and LLMD for tx.

Certain Psy meds for certain kinds of depression depending on symptoms and

only a Psy dr knows what ones to use. Trust me I had some GP give me

something and not follow the Psy Dr. He blamed everything on depression as

well. Well, I wanted to commit suicide on Paxil, so I quit it and contacted

Psy Dr and they said stop using it. So, you have to work w/a Psy Dr to find

correct med.

[ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

I have gotten a positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have been

negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My symptoms

are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other symtpoms. I

have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of Rocephin

IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I have had

no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety and

depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental illness

runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me either.

I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has anyone had

just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active? Would love

peoples feed back.

Shift

[Guest guest]

My doctor says just the opposite the depression is from the Lyme and the IV

abx getting to the brain can make it worse. You should also be treated for

all the co-infections even if you do not test positive. The co infection

tests are less reliable than the Lyme. If you have a positive IGenex you

have Lyme. You also should consider genetic testing to see if you can

detox the medications you are taking. Consider another opinion.

At 05:39 PM 12/16/2006, you wrote:

>I have gotten a positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have been

>negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My symptoms

>are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other symtpoms. I

>have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

>minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of Rocephin

>IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I have had

>no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety and

>depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental illness

>runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

>problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me either.

>I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has anyone had

>just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

>treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active? Would love

>peoples feed back.

>

>Shift

>

>

[Guest guest]

does lyme run in your family as well? kurt

highlandave98 <seanmiller1@...> wrote: I have gotten a positive

IGENEX test but from two labs I have been

negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My symptoms

are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other symtpoms. I

have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of Rocephin

IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I have had

no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety and

depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental illness

runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me either.

I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has anyone had

just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active? Would love

peoples feed back.

Shift

[Guest guest]

Shift, Didn't realize we are all giving very different points of view. IF

you had the Western Blott Igenex testing, thats an antibody test and you

could have had exposure to the bacteria and not have gotten the clinical

symptoms, at least in theory. Some people are known to be exposed and don't

show symptoms until stressed or another health problem appears. Some people

seem to be completely asymptomatic but have very low antibodies present. I

don't think its been studied well. IF you had a positive PCR, thats harder

to explain away. (especially if repeated positive by a different lab)

Thats considered active infection by even infectious disease doctors.

Do you have any symptoms of poor perfusion to the brain? headaches,

neuropathies, bells palsy, long visual afterimages, hormone imbalances,

stiff neck or cracking? I am assuming you didn't have the rash and don't

have muscle aches, joint swelling, flu symptoms, since you said no lyme

symptoms. Do you have the red cressents in the mouth that chronic fatigue

patients have? How about low blood pressure?

Just wondering what the Lyme doctor saw to start treatment or if he/she just

went on the testing and psych symptoms alone. Other organisms can also

cause psych problems. Toxoplasmosis is one for example. thats another

direction to go too. J

>From: " fsmfarms " <fsmfarms@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

>Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:51:23 -0600

>

>Are you using a Psy Dr or just a GP? I use Psy and LLMD due to my

>depression and lyme. I would say if your only symptom is depression then I

>would begin to think like the Dr. When you have lyme you have other

>symptoms that go hand in hand. So, I would go to Psy Dr and LLMD for tx.

>Certain Psy meds for certain kinds of depression depending on symptoms and

>only a Psy dr knows what ones to use. Trust me I had some GP give me

>something and not follow the Psy Dr. He blamed everything on depression as

>well. Well, I wanted to commit suicide on Paxil, so I quit it and

>contacted

>Psy Dr and they said stop using it. So, you have to work w/a Psy Dr to

>find

>correct med.

> [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

>

>

> I have gotten a positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have been

> negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My symptoms

> are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other symtpoms. I

> have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

> minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of Rocephin

> IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I have had

> no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety and

> depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental illness

> runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

> problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me either.

> I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has anyone had

> just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

> treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active? Would love

> peoples feed back.

>

> Shift

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I lost the 1st post I sent, so repeating but shorter here. I would follow

the symptoms and treat them. If psych only, then follow those symtoms

until they are under control. Clinical picture is most important - I

think.

Before you drop the lyme treatment you may want to check the CD-57 subset

(blood test leucocite subsetting) to see if that is low. Its typically low

in Lyme patients, and its been a good marker for me. 10-100 is low and

180 is considered normal.

Heavy metals can cause psych symptoms. Any exposures? The blood test is

not very sensitive and the DMSA challenge urine test can be too much

chelation, so be careful if you go in this direction. Any exposures?

Lots of amalgums, industrial envirnoment? J

>From: " fsmfarms " <fsmfarms@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

>Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:51:23 -0600

>

>Are you using a Psy Dr or just a GP? I use Psy and LLMD due to my

>depression and lyme. I would say if your only symptom is depression then I

>would begin to think like the Dr. When you have lyme you have other

>symptoms that go hand in hand. So, I would go to Psy Dr and LLMD for tx.

>Certain Psy meds for certain kinds of depression depending on symptoms and

>only a Psy dr knows what ones to use. Trust me I had some GP give me

>something and not follow the Psy Dr. He blamed everything on depression as

>well. Well, I wanted to commit suicide on Paxil, so I quit it and

>contacted

>Psy Dr and they said stop using it. So, you have to work w/a Psy Dr to

>find

>correct med.

> [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

>

>

> I have gotten a positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have been

> negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My symptoms

> are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other symtpoms. I

> have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

> minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of Rocephin

> IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I have had

> no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety and

> depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental illness

> runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

> problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me either.

> I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has anyone had

> just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

> treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active? Would love

> peoples feed back.

>

> Shift

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Depression can be fron genetics and or lyme as well. I know I had depression

long before the lyme. It is brought about when major things happen in ones

life. So, if she is predisposed it may be a combo of both. That was my

point.

Re: [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

My doctor says just the opposite the depression is from the Lyme and the

IV

abx getting to the brain can make it worse. You should also be treated for

all the co-infections even if you do not test positive. The co infection

tests are less reliable than the Lyme. If you have a positive IGenex you

have Lyme. You also should consider genetic testing to see if you can

detox the medications you are taking. Consider another opinion.

At 05:39 PM 12/16/2006, you wrote:

>I have gotten a positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have been

>negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My symptoms

>are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other symtpoms. I

>have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

>minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of Rocephin

>IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I have had

>no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety and

>depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental illness

>runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

>problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me either.

>I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has anyone had

>just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

>treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active? Would love

>peoples feed back.

>

>Shift

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are a lot of different psych medications out there, so it may take a

while to find the right one. Definitely see a psychiatrist to diagnose the

problem and hopefully find a med that will work.

Best of luck,

Patti

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for all your help and advice.

shift

>

> I lost the 1st post I sent, so repeating but shorter here. I

would follow

> the symptoms and treat them. If psych only, then follow those

symtoms

> until they are under control. Clinical picture is most

important - I

> think.

>

> Before you drop the lyme treatment you may want to check the CD-57

subset

> (blood test leucocite subsetting) to see if that is low. Its

typically low

> in Lyme patients, and its been a good marker for me. 10-100 is

low and

> 180 is considered normal.

>

> Heavy metals can cause psych symptoms. Any exposures? The blood

test is

> not very sensitive and the DMSA challenge urine test can be too

much

> chelation, so be careful if you go in this direction. Any

exposures?

> Lots of amalgums, industrial envirnoment? J

>

>

> >From: " fsmfarms " <fsmfarms@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:51:23 -0600

> >

> >Are you using a Psy Dr or just a GP? I use Psy and LLMD due to my

> >depression and lyme. I would say if your only symptom is

depression then I

> >would begin to think like the Dr. When you have lyme you have

other

> >symptoms that go hand in hand. So, I would go to Psy Dr and LLMD

for tx.

> >Certain Psy meds for certain kinds of depression depending on

symptoms and

> >only a Psy dr knows what ones to use. Trust me I had some GP give

me

> >something and not follow the Psy Dr. He blamed everything on

depression as

> >well. Well, I wanted to commit suicide on Paxil, so I quit it

and

> >contacted

> >Psy Dr and they said stop using it. So, you have to work w/a Psy

Dr to

> >find

> >correct med.

> > [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

> >

> >

> > I have gotten a positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have

been

> > negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My

symptoms

> > are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other

symtpoms. I

> > have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

> > minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of

Rocephin

> > IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I

have had

> > no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety

and

> > depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental

illness

> > runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

> > problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me

either.

> > I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has

anyone had

> > just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

> > treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active?

Would love

> > peoples feed back.

> >

> > Shift

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

J,I didn't have any of those symtpoms except low testosterone which

could be from the psych medications. I wonder if I have lyme or like

you said just low antibidy titers which aren't related to my

depression anxiety.

>

> Shift, Didn't realize we are all giving very different points of

view. IF

> you had the Western Blott Igenex testing, thats an antibody test

and you

> could have had exposure to the bacteria and not have gotten the

clinical

> symptoms, at least in theory. Some people are known to be exposed

and don't

> show symptoms until stressed or another health problem appears.

Some people

> seem to be completely asymptomatic but have very low antibodies

present. I

> don't think its been studied well. IF you had a positive PCR,

thats harder

> to explain away. (especially if repeated positive by a different

lab)

> Thats considered active infection by even infectious disease

doctors.

>

> Do you have any symptoms of poor perfusion to the brain?

headaches,

> neuropathies, bells palsy, long visual afterimages, hormone

imbalances,

> stiff neck or cracking? I am assuming you didn't have the rash and

don't

> have muscle aches, joint swelling, flu symptoms, since you said

no lyme

> symptoms. Do you have the red cressents in the mouth that

chronic fatigue

> patients have? How about low blood pressure?

>

> Just wondering what the Lyme doctor saw to start treatment or if

he/she just

> went on the testing and psych symptoms alone. Other organisms

can also

> cause psych problems. Toxoplasmosis is one for example. thats

another

> direction to go too. J

>

>

> >From: " fsmfarms " <fsmfarms@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:51:23 -0600

> >

> >Are you using a Psy Dr or just a GP? I use Psy and LLMD due to my

> >depression and lyme. I would say if your only symptom is

depression then I

> >would begin to think like the Dr. When you have lyme you have

other

> >symptoms that go hand in hand. So, I would go to Psy Dr and LLMD

for tx.

> >Certain Psy meds for certain kinds of depression depending on

symptoms and

> >only a Psy dr knows what ones to use. Trust me I had some GP give

me

> >something and not follow the Psy Dr. He blamed everything on

depression as

> >well. Well, I wanted to commit suicide on Paxil, so I quit it

and

> >contacted

> >Psy Dr and they said stop using it. So, you have to work w/a Psy

Dr to

> >find

> >correct med.

> > [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

> >

> >

> > I have gotten a positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have

been

> > negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My

symptoms

> > are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other

symtpoms. I

> > have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

> > minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of

Rocephin

> > IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I

have had

> > no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety

and

> > depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental

illness

> > runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

> > problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me

either.

> > I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has

anyone had

> > just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

> > treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active?

Would love

> > peoples feed back.

> >

> > Shift

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't know.

I have gotten a

positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have been

> negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My

symptoms

> are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other

symtpoms. I

> have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

> minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of

Rocephin

> IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I have

had

> no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety and

> depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental

illness

> runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

> problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me

either.

> I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has anyone

had

> just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

> treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active? Would

love

> peoples feed back.

>

> Shift

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the great advice from everyone! J, I don't have any

of those symtpoms you mentioned and yes mental illness does run in

the family. I am so confused as to what to do.

Shift

>

> Shift, Didn't realize we are all giving very different points of

view. IF

> you had the Western Blott Igenex testing, thats an antibody test

and you

> could have had exposure to the bacteria and not have gotten the

clinical

> symptoms, at least in theory. Some people are known to be exposed

and don't

> show symptoms until stressed or another health problem appears.

Some people

> seem to be completely asymptomatic but have very low antibodies

present. I

> don't think its been studied well. IF you had a positive PCR,

thats harder

> to explain away. (especially if repeated positive by a different

lab)

> Thats considered active infection by even infectious disease

doctors.

>

> Do you have any symptoms of poor perfusion to the brain?

headaches,

> neuropathies, bells palsy, long visual afterimages, hormone

imbalances,

> stiff neck or cracking? I am assuming you didn't have the rash and

don't

> have muscle aches, joint swelling, flu symptoms, since you said

no lyme

> symptoms. Do you have the red cressents in the mouth that

chronic fatigue

> patients have? How about low blood pressure?

>

> Just wondering what the Lyme doctor saw to start treatment or if

he/she just

> went on the testing and psych symptoms alone. Other organisms

can also

> cause psych problems. Toxoplasmosis is one for example. thats

another

> direction to go too. J

>

>

> >From: " fsmfarms " <fsmfarms@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:51:23 -0600

> >

> >Are you using a Psy Dr or just a GP? I use Psy and LLMD due to my

> >depression and lyme. I would say if your only symptom is

depression then I

> >would begin to think like the Dr. When you have lyme you have

other

> >symptoms that go hand in hand. So, I would go to Psy Dr and LLMD

for tx.

> >Certain Psy meds for certain kinds of depression depending on

symptoms and

> >only a Psy dr knows what ones to use. Trust me I had some GP give

me

> >something and not follow the Psy Dr. He blamed everything on

depression as

> >well. Well, I wanted to commit suicide on Paxil, so I quit it

and

> >contacted

> >Psy Dr and they said stop using it. So, you have to work w/a Psy

Dr to

> >find

> >correct med.

> > [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

> >

> >

> > I have gotten a positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have

been

> > negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My

symptoms

> > are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other

symtpoms. I

> > have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

> > minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of

Rocephin

> > IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I

have had

> > no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety

and

> > depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental

illness

> > runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

> > problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me

either.

> > I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has

anyone had

> > just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

> > treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active?

Would love

> > peoples feed back.

> >

> > Shift

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your info! What do you mean the DMSA can be to much

chelation? I did a 24 hour EDTA urine challenge and my lead was very

high, is this an accurate test?

shift

>

> I lost the 1st post I sent, so repeating but shorter here. I

would follow

> the symptoms and treat them. If psych only, then follow those

symtoms

> until they are under control. Clinical picture is most

important - I

> think.

>

> Before you drop the lyme treatment you may want to check the CD-57

subset

> (blood test leucocite subsetting) to see if that is low. Its

typically low

> in Lyme patients, and its been a good marker for me. 10-100 is

low and

> 180 is considered normal.

>

> Heavy metals can cause psych symptoms. Any exposures? The blood

test is

> not very sensitive and the DMSA challenge urine test can be too

much

> chelation, so be careful if you go in this direction. Any

exposures?

> Lots of amalgums, industrial envirnoment? J

>

>

> >From: " fsmfarms " <fsmfarms@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:51:23 -0600

> >

> >Are you using a Psy Dr or just a GP? I use Psy and LLMD due to my

> >depression and lyme. I would say if your only symptom is

depression then I

> >would begin to think like the Dr. When you have lyme you have

other

> >symptoms that go hand in hand. So, I would go to Psy Dr and LLMD

for tx.

> >Certain Psy meds for certain kinds of depression depending on

symptoms and

> >only a Psy dr knows what ones to use. Trust me I had some GP give

me

> >something and not follow the Psy Dr. He blamed everything on

depression as

> >well. Well, I wanted to commit suicide on Paxil, so I quit it

and

> >contacted

> >Psy Dr and they said stop using it. So, you have to work w/a Psy

Dr to

> >find

> >correct med.

> > [ ] Are these psych symtpoms from Lyme?

> >

> >

> > I have gotten a positive IGENEX test but from two labs I have

been

> > negative for bartonella and Babesia as well as Mycoplasma. My

symptoms

> > are strictly severe anxiety and depression with know other

symtpoms. I

> > have had two 3 month courses of antibiotics with no change even

> > minorchange in symtpoms, 1 course with doxy and one course of

Rocephin

> > IV. My very well respected Lyme doctor feels that because I

have had

> > no response to antibioitcs, because I just have severe anxiety

and

> > depression and no other Lyme like symptoms and because mental

illness

> > runs in my family, that Lyme is not a factor and not causing my

> > problems. Disappointingly psych medications aren't helping me

either.

> > I would really appreciate peoples comments and advice! Has

anyone had

> > just depression anxiety that got better from lyme antibiotic

> > treatment? Can you test positive but the Lyme isn't active?

Would love

> > peoples feed back.

> >

> > Shift

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >