Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=14631 Does anyone know how to work out the cholesterol ratio, and what is a good ratio as opposed to a bad one. Lilian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 > > Does anyone know how to work out the cholesterol ratio, and what is a good > ratio as opposed to a bad one. > Yes, I would be interested too. I last had mine tested back in the summer but obviously my thyroid problems have been mounting. Would it be useful to have another one to take to Dr P or am I just being too perfectionist??? luv keri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Thanks nne but it doesn't tell you how to work it out. Lilian http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=14631 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068704/ Sheila Thanks nne but it doesn't tell you how to work it out. Lilian http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=14631 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Thanks Sheila. I worked mine out and it is about 2.8 so quite good really as they say 4.5 or less is good. Lilian http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068704/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Sadly yes there has been many many deaths due to Lyme. The movie " under our skin " has a whole segment near the end about it. > [ ] Does any one know? > > 1. Have there been any reported cases of anyone dying from Lyme? > > 2. Is there any information about the incidence of suicide in > people infected with Lyme. I can actually imagine that in > those who have chronic Lyme and are undiagnosed, that suicide > might take on a very high incidence, but that it would not > lend itself to accurate statistics very well. > > 3. and it seems that I have read letters from several people > who are gluten intolerant here. Me too, I have celiac. I am > wondering if celiac might increase the risk of getting Lyme > or having it become clinically more debilitating? Or if maybe > it's just that those of us with chronic Lyme might be more > aware of taking care of ourselves because of the tightrope we > already walk with our health and so would be more inclined to > be aware of and talk about out gluten intolerance. > > I have so many questions about this illness.. Thanks  > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > For free up to date information about Lyme disease and the known > co-infections delivered to your email address see: > Robynns_Lyme_List/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hi ,  http://www.lymememorial.org/Fatality_Citations.htm  This is one place you can get an answer to question number one...  Blessings,  Sudylo RN/CHT www.juliashbot.com  From: <already_free@...> Subject: [ ] Does any one know? Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 7:53 AM  1. Have there been any reported cases of anyone dying from Lyme? 2. Is there any information about the incidence of suicide in people infected with Lyme. I can actually imagine that in those who have chronic Lyme and are undiagnosed, that suicide might take on a very high incidence, but that it would not lend itself to accurate statistics very well. 3. and it seems that I have read letters from several people who are gluten intolerant here. Me too, I have celiac. I am wondering if celiac might increase the risk of getting Lyme or having it become clinically more debilitating? Or if maybe it's just that those of us with chronic Lyme might be more aware of taking care of ourselves because of the tightrope we already walk with our health and so would be more inclined to be aware of and talk about out gluten intolerance. I have so many questions about this illness.. Thanks  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hi , Im sure there are thousands of both deaths and suicides from Lyme that we dont know about. People that went undiagnosed or whatever. It would be great if there was someone keeping track of all the deaths, treatments that work or dont work, statisitics, etc. There is a growing list of confirmed Lyme deaths somewhere. Anyone else have details? As for Celiac, I was sick with that for over 5 yrs before getting diagnosed and have had a severe case. My uncle also had it and died a few yrs ago from Lymphoma which is common I guess in Celiacs. Anyway, I got sick with the Lyme about 6 mths after being diagnosed with Celiac. That was 15+yrs ago. I just recently found out that I have Lyme, many coinfections, viruses, etc. I was told for the last 15+ yrs that I had fibromyalgia, when all along my symptoms were caused by the Lyme and coinfections. I also have candida which I understand goes hand in hand with celiac. Ive also wondered how celiac and lyme may coincide. So if you do have Celiac, I would get checked for candida. There is a whole other diet that has to be followed for that. These diet restrictions are getting rough, lol. Im willing to try anything to get better though and I do feel much better when I comply of course. Ive been off gluten over 15 yrs so Ive adjusted and can deal with that but getting rid of sugar completely, maybe forever too? That is harsh. I crave sugar like you wouldnt believe butI have been reading THE YEAST CONNECTION and it says when you have candida, its the candida craving the sugar and since they have taken over my body, haha, with the rest of the bugs, eww, they are in control. So if I starve them of the sugar, they will starve, wont be able to multiply and treatment will kill them off easier, plus its suppose to help heal my GI system and body since candida can go throughout your whole body and give you a lot of the same symptoms of Lyme, with aches and pains and just feeling yucky all over. I have so many questions about this illness/es too. Ive known for 2 yrs now what is wrong and IM just barely starting to understand the bigger picture of this whole situation. Ive been very sick so rarely feel well enough to function let alone, study, read, research, etc. So on good days I try to spend time reading the posts of all the support groups I belong to now and Im also reading books, blogs, whatever info I can find at this point. I also have a daughter who is very sick with Lyme who got it congenitally from me. This Im also just starting to figure out and realizing all that it means. She has been extremely sick her whole life which is a whole other story. I havent been able to get treatment for either of us yet. I did some alternative stuff, herbs, rife, etc. but that just made me extremely ill and I almost died. I really need a Dr that knows what they are doing to guide me, instead of just guessing myself but I dont have money or insurance, Im way to ill to work and take care of my daughter full time who is very disabled from this disease and all the treatment she has had in her life because of it and the Drs not knowing what they are dealing with. Now I know and they wont even test her for it because of the IDSA guidelines say its not transmitted congenitally. So frustrating. Both of us need to see an LLMD but I could never afford an appt let alone all the money it would cost just to do the testing, just to prove to them that we have it. Have you seen the movie " Under Our Skin " ? That is very helpful and can answer some of your questions too I think. I have given it to friends and family to watch and that has seemed to help them understand a little better what Im dealing with too. Anyway, hope some of this helped. Didnt mean to go off subject. Take care. From: msadams@... Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:23:55 -0500 Subject: RE: [ ] Does any one know? Sadly yes there has been many many deaths due to Lyme. The movie " under our skin " has a whole segment near the end about it. > [ ] Does any one know? > > 1. Have there been any reported cases of anyone dying from Lyme? > > 2. Is there any information about the incidence of suicide in > people infected with Lyme. I can actually imagine that in > those who have chronic Lyme and are undiagnosed, that suicide > might take on a very high incidence, but that it would not > lend itself to accurate statistics very well. > > 3. and it seems that I have read letters from several people > who are gluten intolerant here. Me too, I have celiac. I am > wondering if celiac might increase the risk of getting Lyme > or having it become clinically more debilitating? Or if maybe > it's just that those of us with chronic Lyme might be more > aware of taking care of ourselves because of the tightrope we > already walk with our health and so would be more inclined to > be aware of and talk about out gluten intolerance. > > I have so many questions about this illness.. Thanks > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > For free up to date information about Lyme disease and the known > co-infections delivered to your email address see: > Robynns_Lyme_List/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 , I strongly suspect that you are right about there being many deaths and suicides that we do not know about. I have had symptoms of celiac most of my life but was only diagnosed a about 20 years ago. I went to three different dermatologists when I was a kid and none of them figured it out. One of them did put me on tetracycline for years and years (I didn't even have acne), and for the longest time I was pissed off over that. Now with Lyme disease in my perspective I wonder if it might not have been a good thing, even if the reasoning was totally wrong. Gluten free and my skin has cleared up, finally. Very nice. I also always had stomach pains. And I remember one evening, when i had been gluten free for a couple of months, realizing that my stomach did not pain and it was the first evening I could remember without a tummy ache, ever. again very nice. I also have had some issues with amoebae infections, and so that has complicated both my GI and joint issues. Amoebas can also go systemic and cause joint inflammation. And they can cause diarrhea very similar to what the celiac causes. At this time I believe I have the amoebas cured, but I did have an attack of acute dysentery at the same time my shoulder went very acute last year. I suspect my immune system is pretty fried. I don't believe I personally have any present issues with yeast, although any time one is stressed and weakened enough it can become an issue. I did have some trouble with it when I had the amoebic infection. I can remember starting to have some knee pain when I was a pre-teen. And when I was in my late-twenties having the start of hand pain. In my thirties at the time I came down with the amoebic infection I developed severe neck and shoulder pain, severe migraines, all kinds of terrible GI everything, fatigue, depression, brain fog, and daily fevers. After finally getting the amoebas treated I was left with migraines and the same old GI stuff that I had always lived with. Then after going gluten free my headaches improved a lot and the GI stuff got vastly better. But i still had knee and joint issues. I started lifting weights and I actually felt good often. But then ten years ago my feet got excruciatingly painful, my toes stopped moving, my fingers became weak and very painful, my knees crashed, my hips started to hurt, the rib joints in my chest started to hurt all the time, and my right shoulder started to hurt. i started having horrible panic attacks and chronic insomnia. I gained a lot of weight very fast. A year ago my right shoulder became excruciating and all but stopped moving. Three doctors later, I had an abscess come up in my arm pit, and that was the first that the official diagnosis changed from malingering hypochondriac with myofascial pain, to woman with an infection. Do I sound pissed? -- well I am. I was seriously on the edge of suicide myself at the point that the abscess occurred. I was not able to do anything. even sleeping was impossible from the pain. My brain and memory issues had gotten so bad I was asking my friends if they thought i had Alzheimer's, and I was very frightened. Thing is it was my whole memory and not just short term memory that had crashed. And there was this feeling of being overwhelmed that was just pervasive and as debilitating as as my shoulder was. i never had children and didn't seem to be fertile. Now I am thinking that I might well have had a sick child if I had become pregnant and am glad that didn't happen. I have not seen the movie you reference, but do have it in my Netflix queue, so that if it becomes available there I will watch it. The good news is my panic attacks and insomnia have gone away. My joints are better but still a long way from normal. My memory too is better but not what it should be. I have a lot of trouble walking. But I am starting to be able to swim again and the range of motion in my shoulder has come back quite a bit. I sleep a lot and get tired fast. I ache a lot. My hands are weak and painful, but better than they were. I try to take things very short term. Next weeks bills or next years goals are no longer part of my mind set. It's hard enough to deal with last weeks bills and todays meals. I consider it a good day if I cope with those things. I cope more often now than I did a year ago. I adopted a new kitten and for me that was an incredible act of faith, because a year ago I was deciding what to do with my other pets if I died, and I did not expect to still be here now. I am here, and with a diagnosis, and some kind of vague treatment plan. I hope that wasn't too long or too self absorbed. But to really give a full history of my aches and pains and mind fog I would need to write a book and not a letter.  RE: [ ] Does any one know? Hi , Im sure there are thousands of both deaths and suicides from Lyme that we dont know about. People that went undiagnosed or whatever. It would be great if there was someone keeping track of all the deaths, treatments that work or dont work, statisitics, etc. There is a growing list of confirmed Lyme deaths somewhere. Anyone else have details? As for Celiac, I was sick with that for over 5 yrs before getting diagnosed and have had a severe case. My uncle also had it and died a few yrs ago from Lymphoma which is common I guess in Celiacs. Anyway, I got sick with the Lyme about 6 mths after being diagnosed with Celiac.. That was 15+yrs ago. I just recently found out that I have Lyme, many coinfections, viruses, etc. I was told for the last 15+ yrs that I had fibromyalgia, when all along my symptoms were caused by the Lyme and coinfections. I also have candida which I understand goes hand in hand with celiac. Ive also wondered how celiac and lyme may coincide. So if you do have Celiac, I would get checked for candida. There is a whole other diet that has to be followed for that. These diet restrictions are getting rough, lol. Im willing to try anything to get better though and I do feel much better when I comply of course. Ive been off gluten over 15 yrs so Ive adjusted and can deal with that but getting rid of sugar completely, maybe forever too? That is harsh. I crave sugar like you wouldnt believe butI have been reading THE YEAST CONNECTION and it says when you have candida, its the candida craving the sugar and since they have taken over my body, haha, with the rest of the bugs, eww, they are in control. So if I starve them of the sugar, they will starve, wont be able to multiply and treatment will kill them off easier, plus its suppose to help heal my GI system and body since candida can go throughout your whole body and give you a lot of the same symptoms of Lyme, with aches and pains and just feeling yucky all over. I have so many questions about this illness/es too. Ive known for 2 yrs now what is wrong and IM just barely starting to understand the bigger picture of this whole situation. Ive been very sick so rarely feel well enough to function let alone, study, read, research, etc. So on good days I try to spend time reading the posts of all the support groups I belong to now and Im also reading books, blogs, whatever info I can find at this point. I also have a daughter who is very sick with Lyme who got it congenitally from me. This Im also just starting to figure out and realizing all that it means. She has been extremely sick her whole life which is a whole other story. I havent been able to get treatment for either of us yet. I did some alternative stuff, herbs, rife, etc. but that just made me extremely ill and I almost died. I really need a Dr that knows what they are doing to guide me, instead of just guessing myself but I dont have money or insurance, Im way to ill to work and take care of my daughter full time who is very disabled from this disease and all the treatment she has had in her life because of it and the Drs not knowing what they are dealing with. Now I know and they wont even test her for it because of the IDSA guidelines say its not transmitted congenitally. So frustrating. Both of us need to see an LLMD but I could never afford an appt let alone all the money it would cost just to do the testing, just to prove to them that we have it. Have you seen the movie " Under Our Skin " ? That is very helpful and can answer some of your questions too I think. I have given it to friends and family to watch and that has seemed to help them understand a little better what Im dealing with too. Anyway, hope some of this helped. Didnt mean to go off subject. Take care. 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Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 It was my understanding that one of the pediatricians in the medical group that I took my children to died of Lyme sometime after spending a summer vacation in New England. This was a good 15-20 years ago. I remember being so shocked at the time, thinking, " NO ONE dies of THIS! " Pam > > 1. Have there been any reported cases of anyone dying from Lyme? > > 2. Is there any information about the incidence of suicide in people infected with Lyme. I can actually imagine that in those who have chronic Lyme and are undiagnosed, that suicide might take on a very high incidence, but that it would not lend itself to accurate statistics very well. > > 3. and it seems that I have read letters from several people who are gluten intolerant here. Me too, I have celiac. I am wondering if celiac might increase the risk of getting Lyme or having it become clinically more debilitating? Or if maybe it's just that those of us with chronic Lyme might be more aware of taking care of ourselves because of the tightrope we already walk with our health and so would be more inclined to be aware of and talk about out gluten intolerance. > > I have so many questions about this illness.. Thanks  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I did an analysis of causes of death of 30 people in the obituaries published on LymeBlog a while back. In none of these cases was Lyme disease listed as cause of death. See the analysis below. Source: http://lymeblog.com/modules.php?name=Journal & file=display & jid=2178 Why people die of Lyme diseaseby: macmcdPosted on: 08-01-2009 @ 11:25 am I have gathered some statistics from the obituaries published here on LymeBlog about the cause of death for people in those obituaries. I hope you will find them interesting. This is not a scientific analysis but it does show some interesting trends. Remember that these are only people who were so famous or notable in some way that someone published their obituary. How many people die each day and they are not well known or their obituary does not mention that they had Lyme disease? 51 total obituaries. Some of these: (1) Didn't have Lyme, was a researcher or doctor. 2) Died of other tick related diseases. 3) Were more than one obituary about the same person. 30 separate people who died of Lyme disease in obituaries on Lyme Blog First obituary was posted on 10/9/05 Ages 16 to 87  2 15-25 ( 7%) (16, 25) 11 38-50 (37%) (38, 38, 41, 43, 45, 46, 46, 46, 48, 50, 50) 10 55-63 (33%) (55, 56, 56, 59, 59, 60, 60, 60, 62, 63)  7 70-87 (23%) (70, 75, 79, 80, 81, 81, 87) 77% under the age of 65 43% under the age of 50  7% under the age of 25  22 (73%) Died of Cardiac Arrest (The article uses terms like " died peacefully " , " passed away at home, " was found on the floor " , " died in her sleep " , " died after a long illness " , " died of natural causes " , etc.)             Note that " cardiac arrest " as a cause of death literally means " heart stopped " . It is often used when the medical examiner does not know the real cause of death.         (Even the IDSA admits that Lyme disease can cause something called " Heart Block " . Heart block means that the signal telling the heart to beat is blocked from reaching the heart. This causes irregular heart beats in many Lyme patients. Most cardiologists are not aware of this and diagnose other conditions like atrial or ventricular fibrillation. Sometimes simple antibiotic treatment can correct this condition.)          Also note that 5 of the cardiac arrest (23% of all cardiac arrest deaths and 17% of total) had been originally diagnosed with and treated for ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease). Then it was discovered before their death that they had Lyme disease.  6 (20%) Suicide (4 of the 6 used the antidepressants and pain medication prescribed by doctors to end their life. One used a shotgun and one jumped from a window.)  4 (13%) Accident ( " Had trouble walking " and walked in front of a car, got lost in his own neighborhood and drove off a boat dock, 2 car accidents.) I would like to also say that three of the " cardiac arrest " people were personal friends of mine, fellow Lyme advocates from the internet. One of those, Wormers, is in the movie " Under Our Skin " and ironically, the scene in the movie is when she is reading at the funeral of another Lyme patient - her poem " She Didn't Have To Die " . Also it is worth noting that two of the people in these obituaries had histories of having been treated by " alternative " treatments. In the case of Vickie Crawford her local newspaper ran an article about her on September 24, 2005. The article mentions her getting microcurrent therapy in Indiana and a nutritionist at a place called " Herbs And More " . The article on Crawford then says, " ... it could take up to two years to cure her Lyme Disease. Already though, she is seeing progress. " Vicky Crawford passed away almost a year later on September 10, 2006 at age 55. The other case of relying on alternative treatment was the musician Bill Chinnock. He was famous enough that his testimonial on samento.com.ec is still available. The testimonial dated February 17, 2005 says, " After a five year bout with CNS Lyme disease, I am well. I can't believe it! I am sharing my story, because there is hope for those suffering from Lyme disease. I would try Samento not only on Lyme, but on every disease. " A little over two years later, in March of 2007, he died at his own hand. From: <already_free@...> Subject: [ ] Does any one know? Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 7:53 AM  1. Have there been any reported cases of anyone dying from Lyme? 2. Is there any information about the incidence of suicide in people infected with Lyme. I can actually imagine that in those who have chronic Lyme and are undiagnosed, that suicide might take on a very high incidence, but that it would not lend itself to accurate statistics very well. 3. and it seems that I have read letters from several people who are gluten intolerant here. Me too, I have celiac. I am wondering if celiac might increase the risk of getting Lyme or having it become clinically more debilitating? Or if maybe it's just that those of us with chronic Lyme might be more aware of taking care of ourselves because of the tightrope we already walk with our health and so would be more inclined to be aware of and talk about out gluten intolerance. I have so many questions about this illness.. Thanks  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Let's not scared people unnecessarily.? Yes, there is at least one tickborne infection that can be lethal if not treated very soon after the bite.? I think it's anaplasmosis, the one Letterman got recently which eats up all your white bloods.? The term " Lyme " is being used too loosely on these sites.? Each infection carries it's own symptoms, treatments & prognosis. Lyme usually refers to the spirochete. This type of communication just adds to the mental stress of dealing with being chronically ill.? What good does it do any of us to dwell on our disease(s) as a death sentence.? I have neuro Lyme which causes depression, anxiety and mood swings--typical psychiatric manifestations of the disease. Being diagnosed with a not well understood, serious, chronic disease with no effective medical standards for treatment or a cure is scary enough! A request:? those members who wish to discuss the " fatalities from TBD " topic, PLEASE CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE TO INDICATE THAT.? At least those of us who don't wish to be exposed to that disturbing and often misinformed info can delete before reading. Wishing you all healing, Kim ? [ ] Re: Does any one know? It was my understanding that one of the pediatricians in the medical group that I took my children to died of Lyme sometime after spending a summer vacation in New England. This was a good 15-20 years ago. I remember being so shocked at the time, thinking, " NO ONE dies of THIS! " Pam > > 1. Have there been any reported cases of anyone dying from Lyme? > > 2. Is there any information about the incidence of suicide in people infected with Lyme. I can actually imagine that in those who have chronic Lyme and are undiagnosed, that?suicide?might?take on?a very? high incidence, but that it would not lend itself to accurate statistics very well. > > 3. and it seems that I have read letters from several people who are gluten intolerant here. Me too, I have celiac. I am wondering if celiac might increase the risk of getting Lyme or having it become clinically more debilitating? Or if maybe it's?just that those of us with chronic Lyme might be more aware of taking care of ourselves because of the tightrope we already walk with our health and so would be more inclined to be aware of and talk about out gluten intolerance. > > I have so many questions about this illness..? Thanks?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 sobering; sad thank you for the information ________________________________ From: Mac Mc <mac_mcd@...> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:55:34 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Does any one know?  I did an analysis of causes of death of 30 people in the obituaries published on LymeBlog a while back. In none of these cases was Lyme disease listed as cause of death. See the analysis below. Source: http://lymeblog. com/modules. php?name= Journal & file= display & jid= 2178 Why people die of Lyme diseaseby: macmcdPosted on: 08-01-2009 @ 11:25 am I have gathered some statistics from the obituaries published here on LymeBlog about the cause of death for people in those obituaries. I hope you will find them interesting. This is not a scientific analysis but it does show some interesting trends. Remember that these are only people who were so famous or notable in some way that someone published their obituary. How many people die each day and they are not well known or their obituary does not mention that they had Lyme disease? 51 total obituaries. Some of these: (1) Didn't have Lyme, was a researcher or doctor. 2) Died of other tick related diseases. 3) Were more than one obituary about the same person. 30 separate people who died of Lyme disease in obituaries on Lyme Blog First obituary was posted on 10/9/05 Ages 16 to 87  2 15-25 ( 7%) (16, 25) 11 38-50 (37%) (38, 38, 41, 43, 45, 46, 46, 46, 48, 50, 50) 10 55-63 (33%) (55, 56, 56, 59, 59, 60, 60, 60, 62, 63)  7 70-87 (23%) (70, 75, 79, 80, 81, 81, 87) 77% under the age of 65 43% under the age of 50  7% under the age of 25  22 (73%) Died of Cardiac Arrest (The article uses terms like " died peacefully " , " passed away at home, " was found on the floor " , " died in her sleep " , " died after a long illness " , " died of natural causes " , etc.)             Note that " cardiac arrest " as a cause of death literally means " heart stopped " . It is often used when the medical examiner does not know the real cause of death.         (Even the IDSA admits that Lyme disease can cause something called " Heart Block " . Heart block means that the signal telling the heart to beat is blocked from reaching the heart. This causes irregular heart beats in many Lyme patients. Most cardiologists are not aware of this and diagnose other conditions like atrial or ventricular fibrillation. Sometimes simple antibiotic treatment can correct this condition.)          Also note that 5 of the cardiac arrest (23% of all cardiac arrest deaths and 17% of total) had been originally diagnosed with and treated for ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease). Then it was discovered before their death that they had Lyme disease.  6 (20%) Suicide (4 of the 6 used the antidepressants and pain medication prescribed by doctors to end their life. One used a shotgun and one jumped from a window.)  4 (13%) Accident ( " Had trouble walking " and walked in front of a car, got lost in his own neighborhood and drove off a boat dock, 2 car accidents.) I would like to also say that three of the " cardiac arrest " people were personal friends of mine, fellow Lyme advocates from the internet. One of those, Wormers, is in the movie " Under Our Skin " and ironically, the scene in the movie is when she is reading at the funeral of another Lyme patient - her poem " She Didn't Have To Die " . Also it is worth noting that two of the people in these obituaries had histories of having been treated by " alternative " treatments. In the case of Vickie Crawford her local newspaper ran an article about her on September 24, 2005. The article mentions her getting microcurrent therapy in Indiana and a nutritionist at a place called " Herbs And More " . The article on Crawford then says, " ... it could take up to two years to cure her Lyme Disease. Already though, she is seeing progress. " Vicky Crawford passed away almost a year later on September 10, 2006 at age 55. The other case of relying on alternative treatment was the musician Bill Chinnock. He was famous enough that his testimonial on samento.com. ec is still available. The testimonial dated February 17, 2005 says, " After a five year bout with CNS Lyme disease, I am well. I can't believe it! I am sharing my story, because there is hope for those suffering from Lyme disease. I would try Samento not only on Lyme, but on every disease. " A little over two years later, in March of 2007, he died at his own hand. From: <already_free> Subject: [ ] Does any one know? @group s.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 7:53 AM  1. Have there been any reported cases of anyone dying from Lyme? 2. Is there any information about the incidence of suicide in people infected with Lyme. I can actually imagine that in those who have chronic Lyme and are undiagnosed, that suicide might take on a very high incidence, but that it would not lend itself to accurate statistics very well. 3. and it seems that I have read letters from several people who are gluten intolerant here. Me too, I have celiac. I am wondering if celiac might increase the risk of getting Lyme or having it become clinically more debilitating? Or if maybe it's just that those of us with chronic Lyme might be more aware of taking care of ourselves because of the tightrope we already walk with our health and so would be more inclined to be aware of and talk about out gluten intolerance. I have so many questions about this illness.. Thanks  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I've done a great deal of reading obits also. Thank you for sharing this. > > From: <already_free@...> > Subject: [ ] Does any one know? > > Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 7:53 AM > > > > > > >  > > > > > > 1. Have there been any reported cases of anyone dying from Lyme? > > > > 2. Is there any information about the incidence of suicide in people infected with Lyme. I can actually imagine that in those who have chronic Lyme and are undiagnosed, that suicide might take on a very high incidence, but that it would not lend itself to accurate statistics very well. > > > > 3. and it seems that I have read letters from several people who are gluten intolerant here. Me too, I have celiac. I am wondering if celiac might increase the risk of getting Lyme or having it become clinically more debilitating? Or if maybe it's just that those of us with chronic Lyme might be more aware of taking care of ourselves because of the tightrope we already walk with our health and so would be more inclined to be aware of and talk about out gluten intolerance. > > > > I have so many questions about this illness.. Thanks  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Someone is keeping track of deaths. The Spring issue of the Lyme Times had an article on the subject. www.lymedisease.org, click on Lyme Times. Phyllis Mervine CALDA -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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