Melatonin

[Guest guest]

I hate putting Nic under general anesthesia too. He definitely needs the one

tube removed-the ENT told us over a year ago it needed to be taken out. At his

DDS appt in July, the DDS wants to removed 4 teeth in order to make some room in

his overly-crowded mouth. I'm going to try to coordinate it so he only gets put

under once.

Di

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Re: melatonin

We used a time release that is 1 mg!!!. I got it at Sprouts here.

We have a referral and I need to make an appt with the ENT.. doing the T & A

is the next step they recommended. I just hate having him put out!!!

[Guest guest]

Mac and Kit also both had T & A surgery this past year with little difference in

the quality of their sleep. They don't wake up and stay up--but they may wake

up for a minute, ask a question or for a drink, and go back to sleep. Still

LOTS of tossing and turning--sleeping in odd positions, etc... We use Melatonin

to help them fall asleep and it works really well. I " d like to try the time

release to see if it does help with staying asleep or better quality of sleep--I

can't imagine either of them being as knocked out as it sounds like Mav was,

though.

Jill

Mom to Mac & Kit

Re: melatonin

Although did well with the T & A, I don't think it did much

towards less restless sleeping at night. She wakes up and talks (or

occasionally shouts out a few words), sits up, tosses and turns, etc.

I've considered melatinon (which I'm now rethinking for a vacation time

period, LOL), and I know she has some sleep apnea, but she's not going

to tolerate a CPAP or other apnea-type device (sensory issues), so for

the moment, we just live with restless sleep.

>

[Guest guest]

FYI - had the " in too long " tube removed in June, and it was

much more painful than having them put in. For tubes in, she usually

woke up from the anesthesia crying a little bit, got held by mom and

settled down, had some regular tylenol and a snack from the " outpatient

buffet " (popsicle, juice, etc.), and we were on our way pretty much as

soon as they let us go. So, when the nurse came over after the removal

and offered " tylenol or tylenol with codeine " , I said " tylenol " as

usual. It didn't seem to work, and just kept crying harder,

and telling me " my ear hurts, my ear hurts " . She couldn't get

comfortable, and even when I'd get her distracted with TV or popsicle,

she's start " my ear hurts " again. So, I felt terrible, of course, and

begged the nurse for the tylenol #3, which she couldn't give for an

hour. Finally, got it, had more liquids, watched some more

TV, and stopped crying about her ear (though she still said " it hurts "

occasionally). It was fine after a few hours, and I just kept with

regular tylenol every 4 hours for the rest of the day (though I had a Rx

for the good stuff in my purse!), but I wish someone had told me that

this might be worse than previous surgeries.... the nurse said (after I

asked " is this usually worse than putting them in? " ), " yes, the doctor

said her really had to dig around in there to get the tube out " . He

told me " it was in there good " , but that didn't translate to me " she's

going to be in a lot of pain, so give her as much pain relief as they

offer. "

We did the 4 teeth last summer (wish I could have coordinated, but

didn't know about the wayward tube, LOL), and again, (different) Doc

didn't tell mom something important: although she had a shot of

Ketamine (and was supposed to actually be completly out, but the shot

did the trick, so she never got the IV whatever), they gave her

novacaine too (after she was out, so that when she woke up, it wouldn't

hurt right away). I didn't know they did this.... should I have? So,

when she woke up, she was completely numb, which she didn't understand

and it scared her.... she thought she had lost all her teeth! She kep

saying " where are my teeth " and we showed her the baggie with 4 teeth,

and she kept saying " no, my teeth, where are they, put them back " , and

kept getting more and more agitated so finally I said " OK, we'll try to

do that later when we get home " (which was fine with her, she just

wanted to leave the oral surgeon's office). She sat on the couch for a

few hours, watching TV, and all of a sudden she said with a smile " I'm

not puffy anymore " which is the point I realized the novacaine. So, I

said " see you have teeth " and she felt around with her tounge and was

sooooo happy she had teeth, she didn't even care about the 4 missing

ones. I felt awful for my poor baby... thinking they had taken out all

her teeth because she couldn't feel them.

I hate that she has to go through this too.... seems like it's always

something.

, mom to (11), (9 DS), and Sammy (8)

Di wrote:

> I hate putting Nic under general anesthesia too. He definitely needs

> the one tube removed-the ENT told us over a year ago it needed to be

> taken out. At his DDS appt in July, the DDS wants to removed 4 teeth

> in order to make some room in his overly-crowded mouth. I'm going to

> try to coordinate it so he only gets put under once.

>

> Di

>

> An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

>

> Re: melatonin

>

> We used a time release that is 1 mg!!!. I got it at Sprouts here.

> We have a referral and I need to make an appt with the ENT.. doing the

> T & A is the next step they recommended. I just hate having him put out!!!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I would suggest getting them out as it was the first

night of sleep I got. He woke up 20 times a night

YIKES and the sleep study confirmed that he would only

be in in REM sleep for 20 seconds a night. We use

melatonin because his body clock never developed a

good deep sleep. I hope that he will be off of it

someday. I hated having under. By the time

they took him, got my coffee, found a magazine and sat

down the doc was sitting next to me DONE. He used the

cobalation method and there was no bleeding, bruising,

swelling, scaring and he ate food 2 hours after

surgery. Then to top it off he told me that he also

replaced his ear tubes and the Audiologist was

currently doing his ABR. It was only 15 min.

Good luck - I hope that it goes as well for you as it

did us.

B

--- " M. FRANK " <michdock@...> wrote:

> We used a time release that is 1 mg!!!. I got it at

> Sprouts here.

> We have a referral and I need to make an appt with

> the ENT.. doing the T & A is the next step they

> recommended. I just hate having him put out!!!

>

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I think the longest slept on the non time

release was 4 hours.

B

--- Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> wrote:

> Although did well with the T & A, I don't

> think it did much

> towards less restless sleeping at night. She wakes

> up and talks (or

> occasionally shouts out a few words), sits up,

> tosses and turns, etc.

> I've considered melatinon (which I'm now rethinking

> for a vacation time

> period, LOL), and I know she has some sleep apnea,

> but she's not going

> to tolerate a CPAP or other apnea-type device

> (sensory issues), so for

> the moment, we just live with restless sleep.

>

> Maybe I'll look for a non-time release? How long to

> the regular ones

> last, does anyone know?

>

> , mom to (11), (9 DS), and

> Sammy (8)

>

> M. FRANK wrote:

>

> > We used a time release that is 1 mg!!!. I got it

> at Sprouts here.

> > We have a referral and I need to make an appt with

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> > T & A is the next step they recommended. I just

> hate having him put out!!!

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[Guest guest]

It is 4:30 am and I am up reading emails because my daughter 3 (ds) is awake and

got me up. She has not been sleeping very well lately. At what age can

melatonin be given to a child? It is over the counter or do you need to see a

doctor? " yawn "

Dawn

Behnke <behnkesw@...> wrote:

I think the longest slept on the non time

release was 4 hours.

B

--- Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> wrote:

> Although did well with the T & A, I don't

> think it did much

> towards less restless sleeping at night. She wakes

> up and talks (or

> occasionally shouts out a few words), sits up,

> tosses and turns, etc.

> I've considered melatinon (which I'm now rethinking

> for a vacation time

> period, LOL), and I know she has some sleep apnea,

> but she's not going

> to tolerate a CPAP or other apnea-type device

> (sensory issues), so for

> the moment, we just live with restless sleep.

>

> Maybe I'll look for a non-time release? How long to

> the regular ones

> last, does anyone know?

>

> , mom to (11), (9 DS), and

> Sammy (8)

>

> M. FRANK wrote:

>

> > We used a time release that is 1 mg!!!. I got it

> at Sprouts here.

> > We have a referral and I need to make an appt with

> the ENT.. doing the

> > T & A is the next step they recommended. I just

> hate having him put out!!!

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[Guest guest]

We never had sleep problems with until last year or so. He started

to get up during the night - way too early - and then doing things he

shouldn't. Every year we are asked the question - any concerns about

sleep - and last year it dawned on me that yes, we do. His doctor

prescribed trazadone and it's worked well. He falls asleep about 30 minutes

after he takes it.

[Guest guest]

when i told one of my docs that i routinely take 12 - 15 mg melatonin nightly

(along with klonopin and ambien)- he was horrified - gave me some rozerem to try

- said it was similar to melatonin - welll i woke up 2 hrs later with an

incredibly dry mouth and hung over feeling...give me melatonin anytime...

deb

[Guest guest]

My fibro doctor ( Dantini in Florida, who does phone consults and

helps tremendously) regularly prescribes melatonin to his patients for

good quality sleep. His amounts~5-10 mg per night until more rested and

then decrease as needed. I started at 9 mg per night for six months

before I reduced it to 6 mg for another 3 months, now at 3 mg per night

since 2004 and feel fine the next day, no hangover. I am actually

thinking of trying 1-2 mg to see if it is sufficient. I go to bed at

10:30 PM (usually), take the melatonin 1/2 hour before and feel quite

sleepy right away, only wakening maybe twice to use the bathroom,

usually wakening anywhere from 7:30 AM to 9:00 AM depending on how

active I've been that week. I am fortunate to be one who does not

suffer depression with or without melatonin.

Oh, I get depressed because of all the stress of life but I do not have

depression. I know the difference because my husband (non CFS)

inherited it from his father and grandmother, so I know what it is

like. He is so much better now that he is eating properly, walking

every day (endorphins are wonderful for depression) and has lost 60 lbs

since August!!!! My husband takes Ambien (which takes an hour to work

for him but does give him deep sleep); tried melatonin but was only

taking 1 mg per night, not nearly enough for him, and he is fine with

the drugs for now.

in La Selva Beach CA

CFS/Fibro since forever, actively decreasing symptoms since 2003

deb obrien wrote:

>

> when i told one of my docs that i routinely take 12 - 15 mg melatonin

> nightly (along with klonopin and ambien)- he was horrified - gave me

> some rozerem to try - said it was similar to melatonin - welll i woke

> up 2 hrs later with an incredibly dry mouth and hung over

> feeling...give me melatonin anytime...

> deb

>

> [.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Seems like some people are fine with it and others have problems-

good info. The other positive is that high doses and long term use

don't seem to have any negative side effects for those who tolerate

it. Much better than Klonopin if it works for you.

Mike C

>

> My fibro doctor ( Dantini in Florida, who does phone consults

and

> helps tremendously) regularly prescribes melatonin to his patients

for

> good quality sleep. His amounts~5-10 mg per night until more

rested and

> then decrease as needed. I started at 9 mg per night for six

months

> before I reduced it to 6 mg for another 3 months, now at 3 mg per

night

> since 2004 and feel fine the next day, no hangover. I am actually

> thinking of trying 1-2 mg to see if it is sufficient. I go to bed

at

> 10:30 PM (usually), take the melatonin 1/2 hour before and feel

quite

> sleepy right away, only wakening maybe twice to use the bathroom,

> usually wakening anywhere from 7:30 AM to 9:00 AM depending on how

> active I've been that week. I am fortunate to be one who does not

> suffer depression with or without melatonin.

[Guest guest]

I'm sure I read that melatonin also has good antioxidant properties also,

that might be some of the effect people are getting as well?

Marcia/Oregon

Re: melatonin

> Seems like some people are fine with it and others have problems-

> good info. The other positive is that high doses and long term use

> don't seem to have any negative side effects for those who tolerate

> it. Much better than Klonopin if it works for you.

>

> Mike C

>

>

>

> >

> > My fibro doctor ( Dantini in Florida, who does phone consults

> and

> > helps tremendously) regularly prescribes melatonin to his patients

> for

> > good quality sleep. His amounts~5-10 mg per night until more

> rested and

> > then decrease as needed. I started at 9 mg per night for six

> months

> > before I reduced it to 6 mg for another 3 months, now at 3 mg per

> night

> > since 2004 and feel fine the next day, no hangover. I am actually

> > thinking of trying 1-2 mg to see if it is sufficient. I go to bed

> at

> > 10:30 PM (usually), take the melatonin 1/2 hour before and feel

> quite

> > sleepy right away, only wakening maybe twice to use the bathroom,

> > usually wakening anywhere from 7:30 AM to 9:00 AM depending on how

> > active I've been that week. I am fortunate to be one who does not

> > suffer depression with or without melatonin.

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Surprisingly, most of the studies on meltatonin's antioxidant

effects, have been lab studies. There are very few studies on long

term melatonin supplementation. Here is one of them, where a 10mg

daily dose was given to people with rheumatoid arthritis for 6 months:

" For several of the parameters measured in this study it is clear

that there is no effect of melatonin administration in the early

period up to about 3 months. There are, however, several differences

which develop between placebo and melatonin groups in the period

between 3 and 6 months. Perhaps the most surprising of these is the

finding that the chronic administration of melatonin, at least in the

dose of 10 mg per day for several months, tends to increase, rather

than decrease, the inflammatory indicators ESR and neopterin

concentrations in the sense that melatonin prevents or reverses the

significant downward trend which was seen in the placebo group. "

Lab studies also have shown that melatonin can increase certain

cytokines, like IL-2. While this is touted as being an anti-cancer

effect, it can also worsen or trigger autoimmune conditions. For

example, there is a case in PUBMED of someone whose Crohn's disease

was in remission, but was retriggered by taking melatonin for several

nights. - Mark

> > >

> > > My fibro doctor ( Dantini in Florida, who does phone

consults

> > and

> > > helps tremendously) regularly prescribes melatonin to his

patients

> > for

> > > good quality sleep. His amounts~5-10 mg per night until more

> > rested and

> > > then decrease as needed. I started at 9 mg per night for six

> > months

> > > before I reduced it to 6 mg for another 3 months, now at 3 mg

per

> > night

> > > since 2004 and feel fine the next day, no hangover. I am

actually

> > > thinking of trying 1-2 mg to see if it is sufficient. I go to

bed

> > at

> > > 10:30 PM (usually), take the melatonin 1/2 hour before and feel

> > quite

> > > sleepy right away, only wakening maybe twice to use the

bathroom,

> > > usually wakening anywhere from 7:30 AM to 9:00 AM depending on

how

> > > active I've been that week. I am fortunate to be one who does

not

> > > suffer depression with or without melatonin.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

[Guest guest]

On melatonin's antioxidant effects, even for those with

autoimmune disease, the lower amounts of 0.5-2 mg

do seem to contribute to an antioxidant effect, especially

if used concurrently with ALA and grapeseed extract, Vit C, A, E.

Based on personal experience of many years.

Carol

[Guest guest]

http://www.pharmwest.com/order.html. Have a look at the top of the page and you will see the address of theior Irish Office. I phone them and it usually arrives after a couple of weeks - though it might take longer with Christmas and the New Year.

Wait until you get the email from www.internationalpharmacy giving your order number, and then email them back cancelling the original order.

Luv - Sheila

Hello,Please can you let me know where I can buy Melatonin and if so, is it legal to bring it into the UK? Thanks.Barb

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Hi Barb

I get my melatonin from BIOVEA. I get it from there because I can buy

it in 1mg caps. I find that the 3mg ones are too strong. With the 1mg

caps I have more control with how much I need to take.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much, Sheila. All done.

>

> http://www.pharmwest.com/order.html. Have a look at the top of the page and

you will

see the address of theior Irish Office. I phone them and it usually arrives

after a couple of

weeks - though it might take longer with Christmas and the New Year.

>

> Wait until you get the email from www.internationalpharmacy giving your order

number,

and then email them back cancelling the original order.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

> Hello,

> Please can you let me know where I can buy Melatonin and if so, is it

> legal to bring it into the UK? Thanks.

> Barb

>

>

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Thank you .

>

> Hi Barb

>

> I get my melatonin from BIOVEA. I get it from there because I can buy

> it in 1mg caps. I find that the 3mg ones are too strong. With the 1mg

> caps I have more control with how much I need to take.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, that's amazing. My doctor actually suggested that I try Melatonin, this was several years ago. I did use it for quite some time and it did help me sleep. Eventually it just stopped working, so I stopped taking it. It seemed like a harmless supplement to me.

You're right, everyone has different reactions. This one was certainly bad for you.

Pam

Melatonin

I'm not sure if anyone here has ever tried Melatonin (an over the counter supplement) for insomnia, but I would like to give my experience. I know that everyone has different reactions to medicines, but I had such a horrible experience that you should be aware of it. A gentleman at my church knew that I was having difficulty with Flexeril (which used to work fine for me at night). He told me that he (who has chronic back pain) and another lady in our church who just recently had (and survived) breast cancer were both taking Melatonin to help them sleep. I tried it for the first time last night. The instructions said to take one pill 20 minutes before bedtime. I took one 3 mg pill at 10 PM. Within 10 minutes I was knocked out cold on the couch. My husband had to carry me to bed. I felt very heavy (like in a deep sleep) yet I kept having nightmares all through the night. I also woke up, tossing and turning, at least 4 times between midnight and 6 AM. Yes, it helped get me to sleep fast, but in NO WAY did I experience a restful sleep.I hope and pray that this supplement helps someone, but as for me, I will not be taking it again. ly, I am suprised you can obtain this stuff over the counter. Amity

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[Guest guest]

A melatonin supplement helped me for 3 years with sleep. Then when I

turned 47, it suddenly stopped working (probably hormones shifting).

Dominie

[Guest guest]

Hi Amity, I wonder if the melatonin was made more potent for you because of an interaction with some other med you're taking...just a thought.

I've pasted this info from a website about melatonin:

"Melatonin may interact with the following drugs:

High blood pressure medication

Drugs that suppress the immune system, such as cyclosporine

Antidepressant medication

Corticosteroids (used for inflammatory conditions such as arthritis)

Benzodiazepines, such as diazepam (Valium), and other drugs that cause sedation

Herbs that cause sleepiness or drowsiness, such as kava kava and valerian

The herb St. 's wort "

dominie From: txchristian_gal@...Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:29:54 -0800Subject: Melatonin

I'm not sure if anyone here has ever tried Melatonin (an over the counter supplement) for insomnia, but I would like to give my experience. I know that everyone has different reactions to medicines, but I had such a horrible experience that you should be aware of it. A gentleman at my church knew that I was having difficulty with Flexeril (which used to work fine for me at night). He told me that he (who has chronic back pain) and another lady in our church who just recently had (and survived) breast cancer were both taking Melatonin to help them sleep. I tried it for the first time last night. The instructions said to take one pill 20 minutes before bedtime. I took one 3 mg pill at 10 PM. Within 10 minutes I was knocked out cold on the couch. My husband had to carry me to bed. I felt very heavy (like in a deep sleep) yet I kept having nightmares all through the night. I also woke up, tossing and turning, at least 4 times between midnight and 6 AM. Yes, it helped get me to sleep fast, but in NO WAY did I experience a restful sleep.I hope and pray that this supplement helps someone, but as for me, I will not be taking it again. ly, I am suprised you can obtain this stuff over the counter. Amity

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I would like to add to this. If you have asthma, melatonin is contraindicated. Sandie -- Melatonin

I'm not sure if anyone here has ever tried Melatonin (an over the counter supplement) for insomnia, but I would like to give my experience. I know that everyone has different reactions to medicines, but I had such a horrible experience that you should be aware of it. A gentleman at my church knew that I was having difficulty with Flexeril (which used to work fine for me at night). He told me that he (who has chronic back pain) and another lady in our church who just recently had (and survived) breast cancer were both taking Melatonin to help them sleep. I tried it for the first time last night. The instructions said to take one pill 20 minutes before bedtime. I took one 3 mg pill at 10 PM. Within 10 minutes I was knocked out cold on the couch. My husband had to carry me to bed. I felt very heavy (like in a deep sleep) yet I kept having nightmares all through the night. I also woke up, tossing and turning, at least 4 times between midnight and 6 AM. Yes, it helped get me to sleep fast, but in NO WAY did I experience a restful sleep.I hope and pray that this supplement helps someone, but as for me, I will not be taking it again. ly, I am suprised you can obtain this stuff over the counter. Amity

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[Guest guest]

Hi Amity. I think that everyone reacts differently to melatonin. I take 6 mg to sleep and it helps. But my daughters won't take it because they get terrible nightmares and dream all night long. It all depends on your individual makeup, like antidepressants. Some work for one person, not at all for another. HelenAmity Keele <txchristian_gal@...> wrote: I'm not sure if anyone here has ever tried Melatonin (an over the counter supplement) for insomnia, but I would like to give

my experience. I know that everyone has different reactions to medicines, but I had such a horrible experience that you should be aware of it. A gentleman at my church knew that I was having difficulty with Flexeril (which used to work fine for me at night). He told me that he (who has chronic back pain) and another lady in our church who just recently had (and survived) breast cancer were both taking Melatonin to help them sleep. I tried it for the first time last night. The instructions said to take one pill 20 minutes before bedtime. I took one 3 mg pill at 10 PM. Within 10 minutes I was knocked out cold on the couch. My husband had to carry me to bed. I felt very heavy (like in a deep sleep) yet I kept having nightmares all through the night. I also woke up, tossing and turning, at least 4 times between midnight and 6 AM. Yes, it helped get me to sleep fast, but in NO WAY did I experience a

restful sleep.I hope and pray that this supplement helps someone, but as for me, I will not be taking it again. ly, I am suprised you can obtain this stuff over the counter. Amity Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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It doesn’t work for me… makes me extremely groggy the next day…

can’t wake up! L (No nightmares though!)

From: dominie

[mailto:dominie ] On Behalf Of HELEN BROCK

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:25 PM

dominie

Subject: Re: Melatonin

Hi Amity. I think that everyone reacts differently to

melatonin. I take 6 mg to sleep and it helps. But my daughters

won't take it because they get terrible nightmares and dream all night

long. It all depends on your individual makeup, like antidepressants.

Some work for one person, not at all for another.

Helen

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the feedback. I'm not currently taking any other meds, except the occassional Ultram for breakthrough pain (which I hardly take because half the time it makes me throw up) and .25 mg. Xanax for the occassional panic attack (which I haven't taken in over 3 weeks). I don't have asthma or any other condition, either. Lots of meds seem to hit me a lot harder than others, though - I am only 105 lbs. so that could have something to do with it. Anyway, again - I appreciate the feedback. God bless you all! :-)Amity

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Amity, I'm sorry you had such an experience with Melatonin! That's a relatively high dose to start with in my opinion. I started with .5 mg and I think I went up to 1 mg. It didn't help me sleep at that point and since it is a hormone I didn't know if it was a good idea to take more at the time. If you get brave enough to try it again, I would start with the 1 mg pills and maybe even break them in half at first so you won't have the weird side effects. You'll want to work your way up to the regular dose. Yikes! I hope you sleep better tonight

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