Re: Why can't ticks work for us?

[Guest guest]

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> I'm slogging along through Buhner's book, and since I'm having a

bit of brain fog, it's slow going, and I'm not that far into it. I'm

reading about tick saliva, and how it depresses the immune system

allowing the spirochetes to get a foothold. OK - so far not good.

>

> But if you already have Lyme, chemicals in the saliva also sends a

signal to all the spirochetes already in the body. They come out of

the tissues into the blood stream and collect at the bite so they can

get sucked up by the tick and hopefully get carried off to infect a

new host.

>

> So, why can't we use this? Why not use tick saliva to draw the

spirochetes out of the tissues into the blood stream where the

antibiotics can more easily kill them off? Has anyone heard of doing

this?

>

> I'm almost tempted to go out in the woods and offer myself up.

Here, tick, tick, tick... Come and get me.

>

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>

>

Hi

That is a fascinating idea! I'm sure that a chemical that attracts

spirochetes could form the basis for a treatment. I wonder if you

could tell me if there any papers I could read regarding this effect

of tick saliva? Does it also occur in non-infected ticks? Lol - so it

might be a good thing to get bitten by non-infected ticks. Otherwise,

what you want is a tick that produces an anti-biotic saliva -

wouldn't that be useful?

BW

Lara

[Guest guest]

The ticks won't pull borrelia out of places it has already made a

nice little home in. Like muscles, tendons, organs, gut etc. It's

only sucking up a few travelers that are in the blood stream.

The enzyme the tick releases down regulates the immune system, and it

doesn't matter whether it is infected with Bb or not. The enzyme (if

I remember this right) is one of the ways the tick anethesizes the

area it is biting so the host doesn't feel the bite.

The downside is that it down regulates our human immune system.

That seems to be the theory at least, and may be why secondary

transmission through milk, meat, blood products, other biting

insects, and other secondary transmission is not as bad as getting it

from a tick.

I have a ton of studies on tick and non-tick transmission on my

website.

www.walyme.com

It became a passion of mine to look into transmission (tick and non-

tick) to see if I could get a better understanding why Lyme is at

epidemic/pandemic levels. And also may have answered the question

(theorecially) as to why only 40% have bulls eye rashes. hmmmm

Perhaps because they were not infected by a tick bite???

Anyways ... food for thought.

> >

> > I'm slogging along through Buhner's book, and since I'm having a

> bit of brain fog, it's slow going, and I'm not that far into it.

I'm

> reading about tick saliva, and how it depresses the immune system

> allowing the spirochetes to get a foothold. OK - so far not good.

> >

> > But if you already have Lyme, chemicals in the saliva also sends

a

> signal to all the spirochetes already in the body. They come out

of

> the tissues into the blood stream and collect at the bite so they

can

> get sucked up by the tick and hopefully get carried off to infect a

> new host.

> >

> > So, why can't we use this? Why not use tick saliva to draw the

> spirochetes out of the tissues into the blood stream where the

> antibiotics can more easily kill them off? Has anyone heard of

doing

> this?

> >

> > I'm almost tempted to go out in the woods and offer myself

up.

> Here, tick, tick, tick... Come and get me.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> Hi

>

> That is a fascinating idea! I'm sure that a chemical that attracts

> spirochetes could form the basis for a treatment. I wonder if you

> could tell me if there any papers I could read regarding this

effect

> of tick saliva? Does it also occur in non-infected ticks? Lol - so

it

> might be a good thing to get bitten by non-infected ticks.

Otherwise,

> what you want is a tick that produces an anti-biotic saliva -

> wouldn't that be useful?

>

> BW

> Lara

>

[Guest guest]

is <walyme@...> wrote:

>The ticks won't pull borrelia out of places it has already made a

>nice little home in. Like muscles, tendons, organs, gut etc. It's

>only sucking up a few travelers that are in the blood stream.

From page 19 of Buhner's book:

" As soon as larvae (or any growth stage of these ticks) start to feed, they

begin releasing a unique blend of chemicals into the blood stream of their host.

Among other things these act as potent chemical cues for any spirochetes that

happen to be in the animal they are now feeding upon. Once tick saliva factors

are sensed, existent spirochetes immediately enter the blood stream and flow to

the site of latval attachment. "

So, according to Buhner, they enter the bloodstream, meaning we aren't just

talking about those already in the bloodstream. I'd like to know on what he

bases this assertion, and on what you base yours. It would seem that anything

with a blood supply will receive the chemical cues - muscle & organs outside the

CNS. I wonder if it penetrates interstitial fluids as well, given time. And I

wonder if my initial treatment was as effective as it was because it immediately

followed nymph attachment.

At any rate, it's kewl.

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