Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

[Guest guest]

I was diagnosed with endometriosis when I was about 17, I'm 29 now. Mine got

better some after having two kids. I have heard it's connected also but i'm not

sure.

________________________________

From: <michelledianecox@...>

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:20:58 PM

Subject: [ ] Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I was wondering if there is anyone in this group who has endometriosis?  I have

both Lyme and Endometriosis and was just reading online that there may be a

connection, and by treating the Lyme, many times the Endometriosis clears up.

 Does anyone know anything about this?

Owner

Metro Dogs LLC

P/973.417.1380

F/201.435.1487

www.metrodogs. biz

[Guest guest]

I've never heard this, but it wouldn't surprise me.

People with Lyme are subject to all kinds of autoimmune problems --

allergies, Hashimoto's and 's, RA-type joint inflammations...it

goes on and on. It's thought that this is because our immune systems

are on constant red alert trying to fight off a foe they can too

seldom locate and kill -- but they keep trying. As a result of this

perpetual up-regulation, the immune system gets confused and stupid,

and starts going after stuff it shouldn't. The upshot is all kinds of

secondary inflammatory diseases affecting our own tissues.

I had a screaming case of Hashimoto's thyroiditis that calmed down

within six weeks of starting my Lyme treatment. Several allergies are

fading nicely, too; and my blood sugar (which was heading towards the

diabetic borderline over the past year or two -- another common

problem, since diabetes can be brought on by an inflammed pancreas) is

sliding back down toward normal. All this inflammatory stuff is

gearing down as my immune system stands down. So it's easy to imagine

that if I had endo (which, thank the gods, I don't), that would be

clearing up as well.

Sara

On May 11, 2009, at 11:20 PM, wrote:

> I was wondering if there is anyone in this group who has

> endometriosis? I have both Lyme and Endometriosis and was just

> reading online that there may be a connection, and by treating the

> Lyme, many times the Endometriosis clears up. Does anyone know

> anything about this?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sure, the answer is www.marshallprotocol.com and hormone

1,25-dihydroxyvitamin-D3

pisze:

>

>

> I was wondering if there is anyone in this group who has

> endometriosis? I have both Lyme and Endometriosis and was just

> reading online that there may be a connection, and by treating the

> Lyme, many times the Endometriosis clears up. Does anyone know

> anything about this?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think there is definitely a link.  Anyone else in this group have

Endometriosis or pelvic pain?  I am thinking some women in this group may have

pelvic pain and not realize it is endometriosis.  Please email back if you

suffer from either.

Thanks,

Re: [ ] Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I was diagnosed with endometriosis when I was about 17, I'm 29 now. Mine got

better some after having two kids. I have heard it's connected also but i'm not

sure.

[Guest guest]

I was diagnosed with endometriosis about 11 years ago. I hadn't heard of any

connections, but I'd love to learn more and I'd love to be done with

endometriosis ...

Anne

>

> I was wondering if there is anyone in this group who has endometriosis?  I

have both Lyme and Endometriosis and was just reading online that there may be a

connection, and by treating the Lyme, many times the Endometriosis clears up.

 Does anyone know anything about this?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can you explain what that website has to do with my question?  I clicked on the

site but there is not discussion about a connection between Lyme and

Endometriosis?

Re: [ ] Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

Sure, the answer is www.marshallprotocol.com and hormone

1,25-dihydroxyvitamin-D3

[Guest guest]

I am hearing a lot about connections between the two so when I see my LLMD next

week I will talk with her about it and see what else I can come up with.  If

anyone else suffers from Endometriosis and Lyme please let me know.

Thanks,

[ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I was diagnosed with endometriosis about 11 years ago. I hadn't heard of any

connections, but I'd love to learn more and I'd love to be done with

endometriosis ...

Anne

[Guest guest]

I also had extreme pelvic pain for years. It started sometime after I had the

bullseye rash tick

bite. It was accompanied by breast pain. I also went to several doctors. Had

surgery for

fibroids. It just kept getting worse. After many years and continuing increase

in pain, I finally

controlled it by taking ground chaste berries or vitex. I tried to stop taking

the vitex several

times and the pain was too much. Going beyond the age of menopause didn't seem

to change things (I

am 58-years old). After beginning the salt and C and rifing last October I

stopped taking the vitex

and the pain is under control. I even consulted one of the most recognized ND's

on women's issues

who didn't seem to know what could be going on. Now I only get twinges of pain

during the cyclic

pain times that all of us lymies get while treating.

------- Original Message -------

From : pamr1756[mailto:dandp2002@...]

Sent : 5/13/2009 3:04:58 AM

To :

Cc :

Subject : RE: [ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

>

>  Anyone else in this group have Endometriosis

> or pelvic pain?  I am thinking some women in

> this group may have pelvic pain and not realize

> it is endometriosis.  

I've had pelvic pain for several years now. It's been thoroughly checked out and

I was told it was

NOT Endometriosis. But they do not know what it is.

Pam R.

[Guest guest]

Me Too!  Went through 4 surgeries and now think it was from the Lyme.  I've been

able to controll the pelvic pain and dimenish the endo by using natural

progesterone cream.  This has been a miricle for me.  I'm trying not to blame

everything on Lyme but it seems logical to me.

________________________________

From: " oakridge@... " <oakridge@...>

Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:18:31 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I also had extreme pelvic pain for years. It started sometime after I had the

bullseye rash tick

bite. It was accompanied by breast pain. I also went to several doctors. Had

surgery for

fibroids. It just kept getting worse. After many years and continuing increase

in pain, I finally

controlled it by taking ground chaste berries or vitex. I tried to stop taking

the vitex several

times and the pain was too much. Going beyond the age of menopause didn't seem

to change things (I

am 58-years old). After beginning the salt and C and rifing last October I

stopped taking the vitex

and the pain is under control. I even consulted one of the most recognized ND's

on women's issues

who didn't seem to know what could be going on. Now I only get twinges of pain

during the cyclic

pain times that all of us lymies get while treating.

[Guest guest]

Natural progesterone cream and vitex work in the same way. I did switch to

natural progesterone

cream in the middle of the approx 10 years I was taking vitex, and it worked

well, but when my

medical doctor found out I was taking it she said it was dangerous and to switch

back to the vitex

if it worked. She said that progesterone, even if natural, increased the risk

of heart problems. I

only took her advice because a good friend of mine who was 62 was taking natural

progesterone and

suddenly died of a heart attack.

-- RE: [ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I also had extreme pelvic pain for years. It started sometime after I had the

bullseye rash tick

bite. It was accompanied by breast pain. I also went to several doctors. Had

surgery for

fibroids. It just kept getting worse. After many years and continuing increase

in pain, I finally

controlled it by taking ground chaste berries or vitex. I tried to stop taking

the vitex several

times and the pain was too much. Going beyond the age of menopause didn't seem

to change things (I

am 58-years old). After beginning the salt and C and rifing last October I

stopped taking the vitex

and the pain is under control. I even consulted one of the most recognized ND's

on women's issues

who didn't seem to know what could be going on. Now I only get twinges of pain

during the cyclic

pain times that all of us lymies get while treating.

[Guest guest]

,

Were you diagnosed with endometriosis or did you just have pelvic pain?  How

does progesterone cream take away endo pain?

Owner

Metro Dogs LLC

P/973.417.1380

F/201.435.1487

www.metrodogs.biz

RE: [ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I also had extreme pelvic pain for years. It started sometime after I had the

bullseye rash tick

bite. It was accompanied by breast pain. I also went to several doctors. Had

surgery for

fibroids. It just kept getting worse. After many years and continuing increase

in pain, I finally

controlled it by taking ground chaste berries or vitex. I tried to stop taking

the vitex several

times and the pain

was too much. Going beyond the age of menopause didn't seem to change things (I

am 58-years old). After beginning the salt and C and rifing last October I

stopped taking the vitex

and the pain is under control. I even consulted one of the most recognized ND's

on women's issues

who didn't seem to know what could be going on. Now I only get twinges of pain

during the cyclic

pain times that all of us lymies get while treating.

[Guest guest]

" I've had pelvic pain for several years now. It's been thoroughly checked out

and I was told it was NOT Endometriosis. But they do not know what it is. "

Did you have surgery to rule out the endo? The only way to diagnose or rule out

endo is with surgery. There are no tests (MRI, CT, ultrasound, Lupron, blood

work) that can diagnose Lyme.

There is a doctor in California, Dr. Cook, that thinks there is a link between

Lyme and endo. He says you need to treat the Lyme before you surgically remove

the endo.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was diagnosed with endo - stage 4 - 20 years ago.  Went through many

surgeries.  I was trying to get pregnant going through infertility treatments-

big $$ spent, all to no avail.  I read a book about hormones - what your doctors

don't tell you and then started research.  What I learned is that I was estrogen

dominate (infertility doc's said my hormones were fine - yea right).  I found

through research that we're getting way, way too much estrogen in our food -

milk, cheese, beef, chicken, soy products.  So much so that now research shows

that girls at the ages of 7 & 8 are starting their menstrual cycle's.  I started

using natural progesterone cream to balance my hormones (too much estrogen).  It

took about 1 month of consistent use and no more pain, heavy cycles, and no more

endo.  I also went on an organic diet.  If you can't afford the prices, the most

important items are dairy.  The abx and growth hormones given to our food chain

is

centralized in the fat - where milk comes from.  .I also have come to believe

that my Lyme had something to do with it as Lyme screws up your hormones as

well.  I've been using the cream for years now and rely on it daily.  I have

gotten lazy and have forgotten to take it regularly from time to time and I

immediately notice and feel the pulling of endo growing(after about a month of

not using it consistently.

Hope this helps

________________________________

From: <michelledianecox@...>

Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:53:37 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

,

Were you diagnosed with endometriosis or did you just have pelvic pain?  How

does progesterone cream take away endo pain?

Owner

Metro Dogs LLC

P/973.417.1380

F/201..435.1487

www.metrodogs. biz

RE: [ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I also had extreme pelvic pain for years. It started sometime after I had the

bullseye rash tick

bite. It was accompanied by breast pain. I also went to several doctors. Had

surgery for

fibroids. It just kept getting worse. After many years and continuing increase

in pain, I finally

controlled it by taking ground chaste berries or vitex. I tried to stop taking

the vitex several

times and the pain

was too much. Going beyond the age of menopause didn't seem to change things (I

am 58-years old). After beginning the salt and C and rifing last October I

stopped taking the vitex

and the pain is under control. I even consulted one of the most recognized ND's

on women's issues

who didn't seem to know what could be going on. Now I only get twinges of pain

during the cyclic

pain times that all of us lymies get while treating.

[Guest guest]

What ever the pelvic pain is the cream takes it away. It also takes away the

breast pain. There

must be some horomonal relationship to both.

-- RE: [ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I also had extreme pelvic pain for years. It started sometime after I had the

bullseye rash tick

bite. It was accompanied by breast pain. I also went to several doctors. Had

surgery for

fibroids. It just kept getting worse. After many years and continuing increase

in pain, I finally

controlled it by taking ground chaste berries or vitex. I tried to stop taking

the vitex several

times and the pain

was too much. Going beyond the age of menopause didn't seem to change things (I

am 58-years old). After beginning the salt and C and rifing last October I

stopped taking the vitex

and the pain is under control. I even consulted one of the most recognized ND's

on women's issues

who didn't seem to know what could be going on. Now I only get twinges of pain

during the cyclic

pain times that all of us lymies get while treating.

[Guest guest]

You know it is really ridiculous that I send these messages in one time zone and

they don't show up

until hours later, by then they don't even seem to connect with the subject.

This one took over 12

hours. Is there a reason?

-- RE: [ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I also had extreme pelvic pain for years. It started sometime after I had the

bullseye rash tick

bite. It was accompanied by breast pain. I also went to several doctors. Had

surgery for

fibroids. It just kept getting worse. After many years and continuing increase

in pain, I finally

controlled it by taking ground chaste berries or vitex. I tried to stop taking

the vitex several

times and the pain

was too much. Going beyond the age of menopause didn't seem to change things (I

am 58-years old). After beginning the salt and C and rifing last October I

stopped taking the vitex

and the pain is under control. I even consulted one of the most recognized ND's

on women's issues

who didn't seem to know what could be going on. Now I only get twinges of pain

during the cyclic

pain times that all of us lymies get while treating.

[Guest guest]

> Did you have surgery to rule out the endo?

Laproscopy (spelling?), twice.

Pam R.

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure I understand the question.  Endo was not ruled out for me.  I did

in fact have very aggressive endo which required 4 surgery's.  My endo was

growing outside the uterine cavity and and spreading to my other organs.  It

finally dawned on me that surgery was only helping for a very short time, as it

kept growing back.  My only choice was to have a total hysterectomy.  That's

when I started using the progesterone cream. My pain disappeared and I could

tell the endo was not growing back.  In my case after every surgery I could

literally feel the endo growing.  This didn't happen after using the cream. 

Hope this answers your question

Mar

________________________________

From: pamr1756 <dandp2002@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:36:39 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

> Did you have surgery to rule out the endo?

Laproscopy (spelling?), twice.

Pam R.

[Guest guest]

I never had surgery so they cannot say 100% that Endometriosis is what it is,

but they seem pretty positive that this is what is wrong because they have ruled

out everything else, and based on my symptoms and the examination where the

areas they pushed were the exact areas that hurt me, they told me this is what I

have.  Also, birth control helped my pain a lot.  

My question is, can the treatment for Lyme reverse endometriosis or clear it up

or does it have to be surgically removed?

[ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

" I've had pelvic pain for several years now. It's been thoroughly checked out

and I was told it was NOT Endometriosis. But they do not know what it is. "

Did you have surgery to rule out the endo? The only way to diagnose or rule out

endo is with surgery. There are no tests (MRI, CT, ultrasound, Lupron, blood

work) that can diagnose Lyme.

There is a doctor in California, Dr. Cook, that thinks there is a link between

Lyme and endo. He says you need to treat the Lyme before you surgically remove

the endo.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It sounds like a good idea but isn't progesterone cream dangerous?  I thought

you wrote that your friend had a heard attack from it?  

I can't believe that really cleared up your endo...why wouldn't every doctor try

that as treatment then??

Re: [ ] Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

Hi ,

I was diagnosed with endo - stage 4 - 20 years ago.  Went through many

surgeries.  I was trying to get pregnant going through infertility treatments-

big $$ spent, all to no avail.  I read a book about hormones - what your

doctors don't tell you and then started research.  What I learned is that I was

estrogen dominate (infertility doc's said my hormones were fine - yea right). 

I found through research that we're getting way, way too much estrogen in our

food - milk, cheese, beef, chicken, soy products.  So much so that now research

shows that girls at the ages of 7 & 8 are starting their menstrual cycle's.  I

started using natural progesterone cream to balance my hormones (too much

estrogen).  It took about 1 month of consistent use and no more

pain, heavy cycles, and no more endo.  I also went on an organic diet.  If you

can't afford the prices, the most important items are dairy.  The abx and

growth hormones given to our food chain is

centralized in the fat - where milk comes from.  .I also have come to believe

that my Lyme had something to do with it as Lyme screws up your hormones as

well.  I've been using the cream for years now and rely on it daily.  I have

gotten lazy and have forgotten to take it regularly from time to time and I

immediately notice and feel the pulling of endo growing(after about a month of

not using it consistently.

Hope this helps

[Guest guest]

I don't know if endo is a result og Lym,e or not but think it is connected. 

Since Lyme takes so long to correct I wouldn't wait on clearing the Lyme to

treat your endo.  I'd use the progesterone cream.  It worked wonders for me

________________________________

From: <michelledianecox@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:32:43 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

I never had surgery so they cannot say 100% that Endometriosis is what it is,

but they seem pretty positive that this is what is wrong because they have ruled

out everything else, and based on my symptoms and the examination where the

areas they pushed were the exact areas that hurt me, they told me this is what I

have.  Also, birth control helped my pain a lot.  

My question is, can the treatment for Lyme reverse endometriosis or clear it up

or does it have to be surgically removed?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

,

No it's not dangerous and don't have a friend that had a heart attack.  The

doc's are trained on giving pills, not natural treatments. Same reason, they

shafted Royal Rife and are trying to control supplements and " organic "

definitions.  Big pharma can't patent anything that grows maturally or is

organic.  I know of many, many women who use it and have never had any problems

what so ever. I t's been around for years.  Get the book on hormones what your

doctor won't ell you.  For years there have been proven science behind the birth

ocntrol pill and hormone supplements causing cancer - specificaly breast

cancer.  Endo is caused by too much estrogene, we get it in birth control pills,

hormone supplements, food - all our food supply is loaded with estrogene from

cows to chickens.  The natural progesterone crfeam helps balance the estrogoen. 

You can get it in any health food store.  The one I use is in a pump to control

dosage.  Since I have a

history of bad and long term endo, I actual double dose am & pm.

________________________________

From: <michelledianecox@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:41:13 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

Hi ,

It sounds like a good idea but isn't progesterone cream dangerous?  I thought

you wrote that your friend had a heard attack from it?  

I can't believe that really cleared up your endo....why wouldn't every doctor

try that as treatment then??

[Guest guest]

they thought I had endo. and I might well have had that as well (never really

got a straight answer) but when they opened me up they found severe adhensions

throughout my abdominal cavity and dx me with Pelvic Inflammatory Disease.

years later, I just read that there is a link between Lyme and PID. I did,

during the surgery, have to have things separated that were (stuck together, in

layman terms) but still had major bleeding and crippling pelvic pain until after

a very difficult pregnancy years later.

>

> I never had surgery so they cannot say 100% that Endometriosis is what it is,

but they seem pretty positive that this is what is wrong because they have ruled

out everything else, and based on my symptoms and the examination where the

areas they pushed were the exact areas that hurt me, they told me this is what I

have.  Also, birth control helped my pain a lot.  

>

>

>

> My question is, can the treatment for Lyme reverse endometriosis or clear it

up or does it have to be surgically removed?

>

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

>

>

>

> " I've had pelvic pain for several years now. It's been thoroughly checked out

and I was told it was NOT Endometriosis. But they do not know what it is. "

>

>

>

> Did you have surgery to rule out the endo? The only way to diagnose or rule

out endo is with surgery. There are no tests (MRI, CT, ultrasound, Lupron,

blood work) that can diagnose Lyme.

>

>

>

> There is a doctor in California, Dr. Cook, that thinks there is a link between

Lyme and endo. He says you need to treat the Lyme before you surgically remove

the endo.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Where can I get the pump?  Also, I was told I had endometriosis and they used

birth control to control my symptoms and supposedly to keep the endo from

growing.  So I am confused that birth control can cause endo if they use birth

control to treat it?   Can you explain.  Thanks,

Re: [ ] Connection between Lyme and Endometriosis?

Hi,

,

No it's not dangerous and don't have a friend that had a heart attack.  The

doc's are trained on giving pills, not natural treatments. Same reason, they

shafted Royal Rife and are trying to control supplements and " organic "

definitions.  Big pharma can't patent anything that grows maturally or is

organic.  I know of many, many women who use it and have never had any problems

what so ever. I t's been around for years.  Get the book on hormones what your

doctor won't ell you.  For years there have been proven science behind the

birth ocntrol pill and hormone supplements causing cancer - specificaly breast

cancer.  Endo is caused by too much estrogene, we get it in birth control

pills, hormone supplements, food - all20our food supply is loaded with estrogene

from cows to chickens.  The natural progesterone crfeam helps balance the

estrogoen.  You can get it in any health food store.  The one I use is in a

pump to control dosage.  Since I have a

history of bad and long term endo, I actual double dose am & pm.

[Guest guest]

My doctors years ago also thought I had endo. because of the pain I go thru -

opened me up and found out I do not have it but have a condition that bruises

the uterus every month - this was done years ago and I guess I have forgotten

about it all - I still get alot of pain but also get alot of overy cysts that

sometimes stay around and cause pain or burst and cause alot of pain. My mensus

my whole life has been terrible and now is getting better due to the suppliments

I take.

Diane

>

> they thought I had endo. and I might well have had that as well (never really

got a straight answer) but when they opened me up they found severe adhensions

throughout my abdominal cavity and dx me with Pelvic Inflammatory Disease.

years later, I just read that there is a link between Lyme and PID. I did,

during the surgery, have to have things separated that were (stuck together, in

layman terms) but still had major bleeding and crippling pelvic pain until after

a very difficult pregnancy years later.

>

>

>