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Thank you very much. I'll pass this along. :)

husbandwcld <husbandwcld@...> wrote: Lupus test was positive although the

doctor told us everything was

normal. I was not aware of this until I got a copy of the medical

records. This was a doctor we only went to once considering he does

not believe we have Lyme in this area. He told my husband " the

symptoms are all in your head " , so we never went back. Diagnosed

with chronic Lyme 2 weeks later.

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Thanks, ,

The thing that gave me pause was that she does seem to do better on steroids,

and that didn't seem to fit. She is not an outdoors person - never has been,

and has never seen a tick. But she did have a cat a long while back.

She also had a VERY BAD cat scratch - was attacked by a cat and ended up with

severe lacerations requiring sutures and antibiotic therapy while 6 months

pregnant. This was about 13 years ago.

So, there are many things that may be going on. I hope her doc agrees to the

CD-57. I'll mention MDL. I have Burrascano's guidelines, and occasionally hand

them out to clients. :) I'm gonna get myself fired one of these days (I do

massage therapy at a wellness ceter connected to a hospital). But if it saves

one Lymie, it's worth it. I see a LOT of chronic pain people, and if I can't

resolve their issues in one or two sessions, I start asking the Lyme questions.

Thank you for the info.

Sudylo RN / CHT <boejr1@...> wrote: Hi ,

I was diagnosed with lupus, and a few other things such as MS an

psychosis... Oh Brother!

Your freind appears to be a classic case of lyme. She can ask her MD

to test her through MDL Labs for lyme. Most carriers pay for it. It

will give her a good indication as to whether she chooses to follow

up on it.

The redness of the skin can be caused by erhliciosis, as for the

other symptoms they also fit a lyme diagnosis as well. Tell your

friend that if she does have lyme the steriods are highly

contraindicated. Print out or email her Dr Burrascanos treatment

guidelines and let her judge for herself. If she chooses to do so you

may have saved her life...

Just my opinion,

Let me know if you need a link to the guidelines. Or if I can be of

any help.

Blessings to you for being so caring.

Best Regards,

Sudylo RN/CHT

Basking Ridge, NJ

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Although my rheum checks me twice a year for lupus, I'm always

negative. (I have red lesions that show up on my skin I've caught her

staring at them; she's never mentioned lupus to me-- I just look up

what tests she orderes)

I was extremely positive on Lyme tests (by CDC also)and I have been on

steroids three times since diagnosis, once for a seriously pinched

nerve and twice for severe allergies and hives. I have always felt

better on them! Not that my pain and brain fog are better, but I do

have so much more energy and the nausea is non-existent at those

times. Also, my docs don't know enough about Lyme to know about the

contraindication.

>

> Thanks, ,

>

> The thing that gave me pause was that she does seem to do better on

steroids, and that didn't seem to fit. She is not an outdoors person -

never has been, and has never seen a tick. But she did have a cat a

long while back.

>

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Wondering what you mean that the lupus test was

positive? It's my understanding that there is no

definitive test for lupus. (Initially, the docs

thought my daughter might have lupus, so we've been

down this road.) I think certain test results are

suggestive of lupus--beyond that, it's really a

clinical diagnosis. There's a list of I believe 9

symptoms. The docs say if you have five of the nine,

you're considered to have lupus. My daughter had four.

(But these are the same " experts " who wouldn't even

consider the possibility of lyme, though as I recall,

most of the nine symptoms would fit lyme too.)

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Thank you, - that is really useful information. She also reports a big

increase in energy with the steroids, once she gets past the ramping up period.

OK - I'll refer her to my LLMD.

transmedic007 <vendetta33@...> wrote: Although my rheum checks me twice

a year for lupus, I'm always

negative. (I have red lesions that show up on my skin I've caught her

staring at them; she's never mentioned lupus to me-- I just look up

what tests she orderes)

I was extremely positive on Lyme tests (by CDC also)and I have been on

steroids three times since diagnosis, once for a seriously pinched

nerve and twice for severe allergies and hives. I have always felt

better on them! Not that my pain and brain fog are better, but I do

have so much more energy and the nausea is non-existent at those

times. Also, my docs don't know enough about Lyme to know about the

contraindication.

>

> Thanks, ,

>

> The thing that gave me pause was that she does seem to do better on

steroids, and that didn't seem to fit. She is not an outdoors person -

never has been, and has never seen a tick. But she did have a cat a

long while back.

>

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You know, I just can't recommend a protocol that is so secretive. I want to

know what will be expected down the line before I risk starting down a path I

might rather not be on.

I wish all the best to anyone who chooses this path. If I could " look before I

buy, " I might go there too.

eric schulman <eric_s11050@...> wrote: there is a site called the marshal

protocol that will be able to help her...lyme and lupus do cross but the

causative orginism is differant...this is a site with people and researchers who

know what they are talking about and it works for lyme as well....

eric

DeMarco

wrote:

Anyone here misdiagnosed with Lupus? or have both Lyme and Lupus?

I ran into an old friend who has been diagnosed with Lupus (decades ago), and

fibromyalgia. She is frequently put on steroids for the lupus, and feels just

awful while ramping up, but then feels better once she steps them down to

maintenance level.

She is going to ask her doctor for a CD-57. But feeling better while on steroids

seems un-Lyme-like. Any insight? I'm just wondering whether to encourage her

down the LLMD road, knowing it will be expensive and possibly not relevant. She

had to quit working a few years ago, and money, as we all know, can be tight.

Her symptoms seem to be mostly pain, rheumatoid arthritis, blood clots and

extreme fatigue, with the typical Lupus reddening of the skin. If anyone here

has personal experience with this diagnosis, I can pass it along, and it might

be helpful to her.

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get tested for mycoplasmas.

At 08:30 AM 10/1/2006, you wrote:

>there is a site called the marshal protocol that will be able to help

>her...lyme and lupus do cross but the causative orginism is

>differant...this is a site with people and researchers who know what they

>are talking about and it works for lyme as well....

>eric

>

> DeMarco <<mailto:ponyrubs%40>ponyrubs@...> wrote:

>Anyone here misdiagnosed with Lupus? or have both Lyme and Lupus?

>

>I ran into an old friend who has been diagnosed with Lupus (decades ago),

>and fibromyalgia. She is frequently put on steroids for the lupus, and

>feels just awful while ramping up, but then feels better once she steps

>them down to maintenance level.

>

>She is going to ask her doctor for a CD-57. But feeling better while on

>steroids seems un-Lyme-like. Any insight? I'm just wondering whether to

>encourage her down the LLMD road, knowing it will be expensive and

>possibly not relevant. She had to quit working a few years ago, and money,

>as we all know, can be tight.

>

>Her symptoms seem to be mostly pain, rheumatoid arthritis, blood clots and

>extreme fatigue, with the typical Lupus reddening of the skin. If anyone

>here has personal experience with this diagnosis, I can pass it along, and

>it might be helpful to her.

>

>Many Thanks,

>

>

>

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She could have some activated viruses, strep, mycoplasmas and several other

bacteria that are hard to culture. MDL is a good lab to start with.

At 09:03 AM 10/1/2006, you wrote:

>Thanks, ,

>

>The thing that gave me pause was that she does seem to do better on

>steroids, and that didn't seem to fit. She is not an outdoors person -

>never has been, and has never seen a tick. But she did have a cat a long

>while back.

>

>She also had a VERY BAD cat scratch - was attacked by a cat and ended up

>with severe lacerations requiring sutures and antibiotic therapy while 6

>months pregnant. This was about 13 years ago.

>

>So, there are many things that may be going on. I hope her doc agrees to

>the CD-57. I'll mention MDL. I have Burrascano's guidelines, and

>occasionally hand them out to clients. :) I'm gonna get myself fired one

>of these days (I do massage therapy at a wellness ceter connected to a

>hospital). But if it saves one Lymie, it's worth it. I see a LOT of

>chronic pain people, and if I can't resolve their issues in one or two

>sessions, I start asking the Lyme questions.

>

>Thank you for the info.

>

>

>

> Sudylo RN / CHT <<mailto:boejr1%40>boejr1@...> wrote:

>Hi ,

>

>I was diagnosed with lupus, and a few other things such as MS an

>psychosis... Oh Brother!

>

>Your freind appears to be a classic case of lyme. She can ask her MD

>to test her through MDL Labs for lyme. Most carriers pay for it. It

>will give her a good indication as to whether she chooses to follow

>up on it.

>

>The redness of the skin can be caused by erhliciosis, as for the

>other symptoms they also fit a lyme diagnosis as well. Tell your

>friend that if she does have lyme the steriods are highly

>contraindicated. Print out or email her Dr Burrascanos treatment

>guidelines and let her judge for herself. If she chooses to do so you

>may have saved her life...

>

>Just my opinion,

>

>Let me know if you need a link to the guidelines. Or if I can be of

>any help.

>

>Blessings to you for being so caring.

>

>Best Regards,

>

> Sudylo RN/CHT

>Basking Ridge, NJ

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Your adrenals could be under functioning. Try a saliva test from Genova.

At 11:01 AM 10/1/2006, you wrote:

>Although my rheum checks me twice a year for lupus, I'm always

>negative. (I have red lesions that show up on my skin I've caught her

>staring at them; she's never mentioned lupus to me-- I just look up

>what tests she orderes)

>I was extremely positive on Lyme tests (by CDC also)and I have been on

>steroids three times since diagnosis, once for a seriously pinched

>nerve and twice for severe allergies and hives. I have always felt

>better on them! Not that my pain and brain fog are better, but I do

>have so much more energy and the nausea is non-existent at those

>times. Also, my docs don't know enough about Lyme to know about the

>contraindication.

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks, ,

> >

> > The thing that gave me pause was that she does seem to do better on

>steroids, and that didn't seem to fit. She is not an outdoors person -

>never has been, and has never seen a tick. But she did have a cat a

>long while back.

> >

>

>

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I agree. I tried it with my first LLMD and didn't like it at all.

At 04:03 PM 10/1/2006, you wrote:

>You know, I just can't recommend a protocol that is so secretive. I want

>to know what will be expected down the line before I risk starting down a

>path I might rather not be on.

>

>I wish all the best to anyone who chooses this path. If I could " look

>before I buy, " I might go there too.

>

>

>

>eric schulman <<mailto:eric_s11050%40>eric_s11050@...>

>wrote: there is a site called the marshal protocol that will be able to

>help her...lyme and lupus do cross but the causative orginism is

>differant...this is a site with people and researchers who know what they

>are talking about and it works for lyme as well....

>eric

>

> DeMarco

>wrote:

>Anyone here misdiagnosed with Lupus? or have both Lyme and Lupus?

>

>I ran into an old friend who has been diagnosed with Lupus (decades ago),

>and fibromyalgia. She is frequently put on steroids for the lupus, and

>feels just awful while ramping up, but then feels better once she steps

>them down to maintenance level.

>

>She is going to ask her doctor for a CD-57. But feeling better while on

>steroids seems un-Lyme-like. Any insight? I'm just wondering whether to

>encourage her down the LLMD road, knowing it will be expensive and

>possibly not relevant. She had to quit working a few years ago, and money,

>as we all know, can be tight.

>

>Her symptoms seem to be mostly pain, rheumatoid arthritis, blood clots and

>extreme fatigue, with the typical Lupus reddening of the skin. If anyone

>here has personal experience with this diagnosis, I can pass it along, and

>it might be helpful to her.

>

>Many Thanks,

>

>

>

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His PTTLA test was extremely elevated, as many of the test results

were abnormal yet the doctor even wrote on the results " all normal " .

His PTTLA has stayed elevated since then also. I agree with you, many

of the symptoms are the same as Lyme and both are " clinical

diagnosis " . I am just glad we found this Family physician that we have

now, he actually shows us all the test results and explains them to

us. He does not know much about Lyme, but is willing to listen, and if

we ask for anything he does what he can. He even found us a lady to

teach us sign language locally and free of charge. It has been

extemely hard since hubby lost his hearing and voice, and none of the

doctors/specialists can tell us if it is from the Lyme or the medicine

he was on. Of course it helps that he knew my husband before he got

sick. Hubby was police officer/security at the hospital this doctor

worked at in the early 90's.

anita

>

> Wondering what you mean that the lupus test was

> positive? It's my understanding that there is no

> definitive test for lupus. (Initially, the docs

> thought my daughter might have lupus, so we've been

> down this road.) I think certain test results are

> suggestive of lupus--beyond that, it's really a

> clinical diagnosis. There's a list of I believe 9

> symptoms. The docs say if you have five of the nine,

> you're considered to have lupus. My daughter had four.

> (But these are the same " experts " who wouldn't even

> consider the possibility of lyme, though as I recall,

> most of the nine symptoms would fit lyme too.)

>

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>Wondering what you mean that the lupus test was

> positive? It's my understanding that there is no

> definitive test for lupus.

What I found out when researching was that there are markers for

Lupus, just as for R.A., etc. Negative to the marker doesn't mean you

don't have it. I'm just glad my doc continues to monitor the whole

picture instead of ignoring everything else to the exclusion of lyme.

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Hi Everyone: I don't have much time to write for I'm sure you are all in the

same situation we are with the holidays and school out etc etc.

I did want to ask even though this is not a " lupus " group - if there is anyone

familar with lupus and could pass along some information to me or web sites etc.

As some of you that know me, know that I have been ill for almost two years now

and I have had just about every test done in the book. The last test or should

I say the next test I am having done is the endoscopy just to see if my stomach

and throat are doing ok with all the pain meds and others meds I am taking for

other illnesses I have.

My rheumy dr who is also ne's thinks that there is some type of autoimmune

disease just sitting dormant in my body and waiting to come alive on the blood

work. I have my blood tested every six months to watch for any thing funny and

also to watch over my liver to make sure the meds are destroying it.

So I guess what I am asking after I wrote a book HA those that know me know I

love to talk so I also love to type :) -

What are symptoms of Lupus? is there any one thing that anyone has experienced

that made you know it was lupus. I have looked up what I could on the internet

and I fall into most of the catergories but my blood work comes back normal. At

this point I feel great one day so I make the most of it for the next day I am

down and in bed. My energy level is zero unless I am on a low dose of pain meds

- I made them take me off the narcotics for I was loosing my life. I hurt

everyday just as most of our kids do and just try to stay positive.

From a religious belief, I prayed so hard for God to take ne's pain away

for I could not take it anymore exactly two years ago and I have to laugh for

ne is doing awesome and only hurts when she physically hurts herself like

bumping into something etc. So we in my family find it very coincendental that

her pain stopped and mine came from no where. I had a hysterectomy three years

ago which I was hoping would be great and instead it opened a whole new can of

illnesses some that even some of the doctors haven't even heard of - for

instance pseudo tumor. I know Robinn is familar with that - are any of you?

I " m just trying to see if I can tie all of this in together.

So I know it's the holidays and everyone is running around or relaxing hopefully

but once we are back to our regular schedules and you have any info you could

share with me I would so greatly appreciate it and so would my family. My poor

husband feels so helpless and I can see the pain in his face when I am in so

much pain. He even wanted me to go back on the narcotics for he couldn't stand

watching me be in so much pain. It is just a mystery and I'm ready to go on

that tv show about medical mysteries. Maybe you will see me there someday LOL

Everyone have a wonderful Happy New Year and here's to the Arthritis Foundation

for finding a cure or at least come close to something so that all of our

BEAUTIFUL children do not have to suffer anymore.

God Bless - Kim Summerhill and ne (12 yrs - almost 13)

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Kim

I am so sorry to hear about your struggles. I do have a friend that has

lupus, but I don't specifically know the symptoms. I know that she

always ached.....and I know that sometimes she couldn't get out of bed.

But I really know nothing about the blood work. I know we were talking

about drugs, and I know she was on methotrexate and thought it was

working great for her. Unfortunately I don't see her that often, and

don't know much about it. I am so glad to hear your daughter is feeling

better. I know how that feels because Allie is feeling so much better.

She has been symptom free for about 6 months. I don't like to say that

too much because it can sneak up and bite us really quickly! Otherwise

all is well at our home, just the normal everyday stuff!

If I find out more, I will be sure to pass it along. I will pray for

you as well! I saw the Hershey Lodge on TV the other day. It looks

spectacular! I hope you can make it there!

and Allie (10 poly)

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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 7:10 AM

Subject: RE: Lupus

Hi Everyone: I don't have much time to write for I'm sure you are all in

the same situation we are with the holidays and school out etc etc.

I did want to ask even though this is not a " lupus " group - if there is

anyone familar with lupus and could pass along some information to me or

web sites etc. As some of you that know me, know that I have been ill

for almost two years now and I have had just about every test done in

the book. The last test or should I say the next test I am having done

is the endoscopy just to see if my stomach and throat are doing ok with

all the pain meds and others meds I am taking for other illnesses I

have.

My rheumy dr who is also ne's thinks that there is some type of

autoimmune disease just sitting dormant in my body and waiting to come

alive on the blood work. I have my blood tested every six months to

watch for any thing funny and also to watch over my liver to make sure

the meds are destroying it.

So I guess what I am asking after I wrote a book HA those that know me

know I love to talk so I also love to type :) -

What are symptoms of Lupus? is there any one thing that anyone has

experienced that made you know it was lupus. I have looked up what I

could on the internet and I fall into most of the catergories but my

blood work comes back normal. At this point I feel great one day so I

make the most of it for the next day I am down and in bed. My energy

level is zero unless I am on a low dose of pain meds - I made them take

me off the narcotics for I was loosing my life. I hurt everyday just as

most of our kids do and just try to stay positive.

From a religious belief, I prayed so hard for God to take ne's

pain away for I could not take it anymore exactly two years ago and I

have to laugh for ne is doing awesome and only hurts when she

physically hurts herself like bumping into something etc. So we in my

family find it very coincendental that her pain stopped and mine came

from no where. I had a hysterectomy three years ago which I was hoping

would be great and instead it opened a whole new can of illnesses some

that even some of the doctors haven't even heard of - for instance

pseudo tumor. I know Robinn is familar with that - are any of you? I " m

just trying to see if I can tie all of this in together.

So I know it's the holidays and everyone is running around or relaxing

hopefully but once we are back to our regular schedules and you have any

info you could share with me I would so greatly appreciate it and so

would my family. My poor husband feels so helpless and I can see the

pain in his face when I am in so much pain. He even wanted me to go back

on the narcotics for he couldn't stand watching me be in so much pain.

It is just a mystery and I'm ready to go on that tv show about medical

mysteries. Maybe you will see me there someday LOL

Everyone have a wonderful Happy New Year and here's to the Arthritis

Foundation for finding a cure or at least come close to something so

that all of our BEAUTIFUL children do not have to suffer anymore.

God Bless - Kim Summerhill and ne (12 yrs - almost 13)

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My daughter has Lupus along with JRA. she doesn't have the classic rash or

anything though. Here are a few websites for you to check out. I can't tell you

the symptoms specifically since she has JRA too and they run together. Her

response to medications and blood work has given her the diagnosis along with

some questionairres etc. Wish I could be more helpful. I understand chronic pain

since I too try to avoid the narcotics cause they throw me in a loopy world.

Have you tried Ultram? My daughter finds it very effective. It is the same

chemical make up as a narcotic without the addictive properties. Have you tried

massage, chiropractor or accupuncture? Best of luck to you.

e, mom to joe 19 poly and lupus (AKA rheupus) who will be 20 on

Friday!!! Oh my!!

http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/lupus/tengo/english.htm

http://www.lupus.org/newsite/index.html

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lupus/DS00115

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--Kim,.

I am so sorry to read that you are still struggling. I dont know much

about lupus except that a friend of mind had the disciod kind and

would get aweful rashes on her face.

Please keepus informed of your tests, we will continue to hold you up

in prayer and close in our hearts.

hugs Helen and (9,systemic)

- In , " Kim Summerhill " <kimsumm@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone: I don't have much time to write for I'm sure you are

all in the same situation we are with the holidays and school out etc

etc.

>

> I did want to ask even though this is not a " lupus " group - if

there is anyone familar with lupus and could pass along some

information to me or web sites etc. As some of you that know me,

know that I have been ill for almost two years now and I have had

just about every test done in the book. The last test or should I

say the next test I am having done is the endoscopy just to see if my

stomach and throat are doing ok with all the pain meds and others

meds I am taking for other illnesses I have.

>

> My rheumy dr who is also ne's thinks that there is some type

of autoimmune disease just sitting dormant in my body and waiting to

come alive on the blood work. I have my blood tested every six

months to watch for any thing funny and also to watch over my liver

to make sure the meds are destroying it.

>

> So I guess what I am asking after I wrote a book HA those that know

me know I love to talk so I also love to type :) -

>

> What are symptoms of Lupus? is there any one thing that anyone has

experienced that made you know it was lupus. I have looked up what I

could on the internet and I fall into most of the catergories but my

blood work comes back normal. At this point I feel great one day so

I make the most of it for the next day I am down and in bed. My

energy level is zero unless I am on a low dose of pain meds - I made

them take me off the narcotics for I was loosing my life. I hurt

everyday just as most of our kids do and just try to stay positive.

>

> From a religious belief, I prayed so hard for God to take

ne's pain away for I could not take it anymore exactly two

years ago and I have to laugh for ne is doing awesome and only

hurts when she physically hurts herself like bumping into something

etc. So we in my family find it very coincendental that her pain

stopped and mine came from no where. I had a hysterectomy three

years ago which I was hoping would be great and instead it opened a

whole new can of illnesses some that even some of the doctors haven't

even heard of - for instance pseudo tumor. I know Robinn is familar

with that - are any of you? I " m just trying to see if I can tie all

of this in together.

>

> So I know it's the holidays and everyone is running around or

relaxing hopefully but once we are back to our regular schedules and

you have any info you could share with me I would so greatly

appreciate it and so would my family. My poor husband feels so

helpless and I can see the pain in his face when I am in so much

pain. He even wanted me to go back on the narcotics for he couldn't

stand watching me be in so much pain. It is just a mystery and I'm

ready to go on that tv show about medical mysteries. Maybe you will

see me there someday LOL

>

> Everyone have a wonderful Happy New Year and here's to the

Arthritis Foundation for finding a cure or at least come close to

something so that all of our BEAUTIFUL children do not have to suffer

anymore.

>

> God Bless - Kim Summerhill and ne (12 yrs - almost 13)

>

>

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I was diagnosed with Lupus after the delivery of my son, the one

with CVID. The onset was the actual delivery-fine before, almost

died during. I have been convinced that my lupus onset during his

labor is somehow related to what he is going through, and every

doctor tells me I'm wrong. They all say it's a coincidence. But I

have had lupus now for 5 years. I've wanted him tested too but they

haven't. Now he has his own immune disorder. Feel free to email me

with further questions.

Janet

>

> anyone here familiar with lupus?

> I have some symptoms that have never been explained, but a few

things

> stand out. One thing is restrictive pulmonary issues. My pulmo was

at

> first concerned about sarcoid, but that has been ruled out. He will

> keep watching it, but had mentioned that lupus and/or RA can be the

> cause of what has been going on with my lungs(in addition to

asthma).

> On Thursday, we were driving out of state to take MIL to care for

her

> parents. Midway thru Ohio, we stopped for lunch. I was not itchy,

but

> my daughter said I looked red. I went to look in the mirror, only

to

> see the strangest rash on my face. like.....across my nose, and

down

> under my eyes, across my face on each side. Bright red and

splotchy. I

> assumed it must be a food allergy, though I hadnt eaten anything

know

> to be an allergen--beef, potatoes, carrots, mixed fruit, and tossed

> salad. Pretty much what I would eat any other day. No sauces or

> anything, nothing I wouldnt know the ingredient of, I dont think.

My

> DH went to a store and bought benedryl just in case, since I do

have

> severe asthma but the bendryl didnt do a thing for the rash. A few

> days prior to and including that day, I was having a hard week,

with

> this horrid achiness and fatigue I get off and on, that lasts a few

> days, usually, and comes and goes on its own. Its like influenza,

with

> no illness--the pain and tiredness, I mean. I started having the

> chills and headache, and the rash got worse and worse. When we got

to

> the hotel, I checked my temp and it was 100. I tend to not run

temps,

> even when very sick, and my usual temp is under 98. the next day,

the

> rash was gone and so was all the other things that had been going

on,

> I felt fine.

> Ive heard of the lupus butterfly and wonder if this is something I

> should call and ask about? honestly, as much as I love our drs, I

feel

> like such a nut calling and going in all the time, even though Im

> usually on target with something being wrong. I would have gone

right

> in if the rash had stayed, but it seems silly to go to the office

if

> its gone away now.

>

> valarie

>

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group main page menu on the left side, Files, disease research results,

lupus

bG

>

> Where do I look for any findings or results on using this on Lupus?

>

> Thanks,

>

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I`m curious as to the type of Lupus you have.

My friend has to avoid rife type machines in that she produces too many

white blood cells. And a kill off well produce more of what she doesn`t

need. I thought it strange at first, but it all started to come togather.

The only sessions I gave her were for a tumor on a toe where I could

islalate just 1 small area to do the treatements.

>From: Ivan Olsen <YAPAR@...>

>Reply-

> " Baby Grand (Bob Luhrs) germkiller "

>< >, m

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>Subject: Re:Lupus

>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:14:47 -0700

>

>

>i love this group and everything it does.

>and i am also aware that Hyperbolic Oxygen Chamber is effective on

>Lupus.

>please email me off list for more details and check the germkiller

>archives for info.

>peace

>ivan

>

>On Jul 26, 2007, at 7:43 PM, m wrote:

>

> > Where do I look for any findings or results on using this on Lupus?

> >

> > Thanks,

>

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Hi Chris

I go like this everytime I go out in the sun. The lumps are normally blisters on

me but all over. The kids take great please in trying to pop them, they think I

am bubble wrap I have to prise them off me.

Let me know how you get on. Thought it was just me who did this. Haven't been to

docs with it though

Rach

>

> I went out in the sun last week and come up all lumpy and itchy on my shins,

arms and chest which happens every year but thought while it is still a bit

itchy, red and lumpy I would let the duty doc have a look.

>

>

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Isn't that normal? It wouldn't have occurred to me to go to the doctor's about

it.

Miriam

>

> I went out in the sun last week and come up all lumpy and itchy on my shins,

arms and chest which happens every year but thought while it is still a bit

itchy, red and lumpy I would let the duty doc have a look.

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It has never occurred to me to go to the doctors about it either Miriam and

yesterday I was just hoping for some cream to stop the itch. If you have it then

you should go too, dont leave it like I have.

Chris

>

> Isn't that normal? It wouldn't have occurred to me to go to the doctor's

about it.

> Miriam

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***> Anyone any experience of this?

Hello

I am really sorry to hear that you are suffering from lupus. I don't have any personal experience with it, except I know of a number of dogs who have it - the treatment would not be much different, I suppose, as the illness is the same. When mainly the skin is affected, the usual advice is (apart from thenecessary prednisolone) high dosages of Vit E and Omegas.

Has your doctor ordered an ANA (anti-nuclear-antibody) test? I can't really give you any constructive advice, but I found the following website, which might be helpful as it explains the different way lupus may affect the body.

http://www.arc.org.uk/arthinfo/patpubs/6023/6023.asp

Warm wishes

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No, I think it is normal for me to react that way to the sun. If I went to the

GP every time something like that happened I would be there every week!

Calamine lotion is soothing for itchy skin, by the way.

Miriam

> It has never occurred to me to go to the doctors about it either Miriam and

yesterday I was just hoping for some cream to stop the itch. If you have it then

you should go too, dont leave it like I have.

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Hi

Thank you for the info, yes he has ordered the ANA, CRP, FBC, ESR, Glucose, Bone

profile, Liver, iron studies and of course TFTs.

He has prescribed prednisolone. Looks like I will have to start eating lots of

fish!

Chris

>

> ***> Anyone any experience of this?

>

> Warm wishes

>

>

>

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