Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Yes I think this behavior is normal for Lymies. I get hateful as H*ll at the height of the monthly herx. I mean I have bad, angry thoughts and have gone off on people and been embarrassed at my behavior afterwards. Also I have noticed during a herx I will get hypersensitive in the opposite way and get my feelings hurt when there is no real reason too. I think its just the neurotoxins wreaking havoc on the CNS. I've not taken mino. But somewhere I read that mino is not suggested for women because of the herx it causes them. So I assumed they meant something behavioral. I forget where I saw that, heck maybe it was even on here. I am on Doxy, related to Mino so maybe that is why I am so hypersensitive. > > I know that sounds like a dramatic title. I'm just wondering if > flying into rages is a part of lyme? I find lately that almost > everything and everyone annoys me and at least once a day it is just all > TOO TOO MUCH and I start shouting. I know part of it is having lost my > job, but I feel also a lack of trust in people all of a sudden, which is > very untypical for me. So is a mild form of paranoia common too? > Whatever it is, it really sucks. > > I'm in my 2nd month of minocin, and just started flagyl about 3 days ago > - definitely the symptoms are worse with the flagyl. I'm interested > inany comparisons poeple may have with their own epxerience. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 sounds like a herx.. I am on mino and I was really irate today so hang in there.... eric Anne Shroeder <anne@...> wrote: I know that sounds like a dramatic title. I'm just wondering if flying into rages is a part of lyme? I find lately that almost everything and everyone annoys me and at least once a day it is just all TOO TOO MUCH and I start shouting. I know part of it is having lost my job, but I feel also a lack of trust in people all of a sudden, which is very untypical for me. So is a mild form of paranoia common too? Whatever it is, it really sucks. I'm in my 2nd month of minocin, and just started flagyl about 3 days ago - definitely the symptoms are worse with the flagyl. I'm interested inany comparisons poeple may have with their own epxerience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Not just flying into rages, but having a generally heightened emotional response to every situation. I don't want to pry into why you lost your job, but I nearly lost mine on several occasions before I discovered that I had Lyme. Maybe your former employer would reconsider, if you present them with your LD diagnoses? My failing memory and gradual inability to multitask led to some really dicey situations, and my employer was becoming exasperated at my series of gaffs. One of my problems was a real difficulty in keeping my cool, especially when anger was directed at me by a client, unexpectedly. Sudden rages are also a symptom of Babesiosis. LD and Babesi anger is often caused by mild encephalitis and blood flow impairment to the brain. Whenever I would lose my temper, the anger would subside quickly, and I would feel ashamed, embarrassed, and I would have a really painful headache for hours afterwords. Paranoia is often triggered by a failing memory, as we seek external causes for our internal memory and behavioural deficits. IE, we forget to do something or misplace something, and then wonder if someone else did it deliberately to cause us problems. hang in there, it will get better with treatment. cheers Duncan > > I know that sounds like a dramatic title. I'm just wondering if > flying into rages is a part of lyme? I find lately that almost > everything and everyone annoys me and at least once a day it is just all > TOO TOO MUCH and I start shouting. I know part of it is having lost my > job, but I feel also a lack of trust in people all of a sudden, which is > very untypical for me. So is a mild form of paranoia common too? > Whatever it is, it really sucks. > > I'm in my 2nd month of minocin, and just started flagyl about 3 days ago > - definitely the symptoms are worse with the flagyl. I'm interested > inany comparisons poeple may have with their own epxerience. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I had to go on sick leave was I started treament, simply because the herxing combined with the side effects of abx, made it impossible for me to carry on. I toughed it out for a month when I started on doxycycline, but after I switched to Ketek and Flagyl, the herxing was completely incapacitating. cheers Duncan > > > > I know that sounds like a dramatic title. I'm just wondering if > > flying into rages is a part of lyme? I find lately that almost > > everything and everyone annoys me and at least once a day it is just all > > TOO TOO MUCH and I start shouting. I know part of it is having lost my > > job, but I feel also a lack of trust in people all of a sudden, which is > > very untypical for me. So is a mild form of paranoia common too? > > Whatever it is, it really sucks. > > > > I'm in my 2nd month of minocin, and just started flagyl about 3 days ago > > - definitely the symptoms are worse with the flagyl. I'm interested > > inany comparisons poeple may have with their own epxerience. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 rage has been a problem for me for many years.i didnt realize until my 30's just how severe it was.i had road rage ,grocery store rage,people not moving fast enough,you name it and I have been in a rage over it before.what i thought was always PMS seemed to get worse as i aged and even a total hysterectomy at age 28 didnt cure the problem.I noticed the same traits in my baby brother who is 5 years youger than I.i begean to think we must have a family predisposition or some such thing....I have tried to be more aware of it for the past 10 years and try hard to control it.After my lyme diagnosis and treatment in 2002 i read about the lyme rage others have and realized that had been my culprit all along.i have been on welbutrin which helps but i still have those days where i just loose control and spit words out of my mouth that literally scare people.i have never lost it enough to hit someone but i know several have thought i was going to.Infact some people have later said man girl i thought you were gonna kill that kid for working so slow...i have never thought of killing anyone and the idea that this has changed me enough for others to think i could is very upsetting.being aware has helped me alot..I know when to say hey i gotta be alone a minute i am fixin to loose it!i read an article one day about a doctar who had some of the inmates on death row tested for lyme or actually the bacteria borrellia burgd., and i guess i large percentage tested positive.the article suggested the lyme had caused an uncontrolable rage.Do a search on LYME disease AND RAGE alot of things come up. Molymie --- Anne Shroeder <anne@...> wrote: From: Anne Shroeder <anne@...> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:29:57 -0500 Subject: [ ] rage and paranoia? I know that sounds like a dramatic title. I'm just wondering if flying into rages is a part of lyme? I find lately that almost everything and everyone annoys me and at least once a day it is just all TOO TOO MUCH and I start shouting. I know part of it is having lost my job, but I feel also a lack of trust in people all of a sudden, which is very untypical for me. So is a mild form of paranoia common too? Whatever it is, it really sucks. I'm in my 2nd month of minocin, and just started flagyl about 3 days ago - definitely the symptoms are worse with the flagyl. I'm interested inany comparisons poeple may have with their own epxerience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 But this is good right? If it's a herx it means that the medicine is working, right? I hope!? > Re: [ ] rage and paranoia? > > > sounds like a herx.. I am on mino and I was really irate > today so hang in there.... > eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Absolutely. The herxing will decline as the spirochetes die off and you will start to feel better and think more clearly. cheers Duncan > > But this is good right? If it's a herx it means that the medicine is > working, right? I hope!? > > > Re: [ ] rage and paranoia? > > > > > > sounds like a herx.. I am on mino and I was really irate > > today so hang in there.... > > eric > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Anne There is such a thing as " Lyme rage " - from what I understand if the lyme is in a certain part of your brain (can't remember which-?? Frontal??. I've also read that Bartonella is also a culprit for this. This is one of my problems. I've only been able to take 1 gm of Celtic Sea salt a day (in addition to everything else) as this is the symptom that really comes out with this and I feel that it's the lyme/co-infection getting hit. I'm not consisitent with the salt for this reason It also I would think be related to the stress that you're encountering with the job loss and the lyme on top of all of it. Mental- either real or percieved stress can really do a number on a person. Wonder if you'd be able to look into some relaxation stuff- yoga, etc. This is something I've wondered about but have never really done. Flagyl is the next one on the list for me to use and I'm kind of dreading it- our LLMD has written to start out with a very little amount at first. Guess what I have to focus on is that I'm killing the junk and they're more uncomfortable than me.. Take care Rose Marie > > I know that sounds like a dramatic title. I'm just wondering if > flying into rages is a part of lyme? I find lately that almost > everything and everyone annoys me and at least once a day it is just all > TOO TOO MUCH and I start shouting. I know part of it is having lost my > job, but I feel also a lack of trust in people all of a sudden, which is > very untypical for me. So is a mild form of paranoia common too? > Whatever it is, it really sucks. > > I'm in my 2nd month of minocin, and just started flagyl about 3 days ago > - definitely the symptoms are worse with the flagyl. I'm interested > inany comparisons poeple may have with their own epxerience. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Yeah, I got fired. They told me they thoght I was on drugs. This before diagnoses of Lyme and I absolutely did not use drugs. I was an active member of a local church and did not even drink alcohol. Just my personal convictions. My otherwise healthy father killed himself with alcohol. Millie dunmunro1 <dmunro@...> wrote: I had to go on sick leave was I started treament, simply because the herxing combined with the side effects of abx, made it impossible for me to carry on. I toughed it out for a month when I started on doxycycline, but after I switched to Ketek and Flagyl, the herxing was completely incapacitating. cheers Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I have a friend. Their son has Lyme. They know the husband has it but he is a professor and he will not even start treatment until he retires because he knows how bad the treatment is and how much trouble the Insurance and retirement would be. We do what we have to do. Millie dunmunro1 <dmunro@...> wrote: I had to go on sick leave was I started treament, simply because the herxing combined with the side effects of abx, made it impossible for me to carry on. I toughed it out for a month when I started on doxycycline, but after I switched to Ketek and Flagyl, the herxing was completely incapacitating. cheers Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I was lucky in that my Manager saw me going downhill for several years. I had been a dept mngr, was able to keep all the numbers in my head ( profits, loss etc), work all day, go home and train horses then show on weekends. I did it all. When I finally had to go on diss, I was sleeping alllllll the time, literally, if I stopped, I was asleep. Even while riding! Not to mention the brain fog and major fatigue. People can be so moronic. Guess the worst thing people say, of course its as if they do not think I am sick, is 'but, you look so good!?' . If that 'but' wasnt in there....... > Yeah, I got fired. They told me they thoght I was on drugs. > > This before diagnoses of Lyme and I absolutely did not use drugs. > > I was an active member of a local church and did not even drink alcohol. > > Just my personal convictions. > > My otherwise healthy father killed himself with alcohol. > > Millie > > dunmunro1 <dmunro@...> wrote: > I had to go on sick leave was I started treament, simply because the > herxing combined with the side effects of abx, made it impossible for > me to carry on. I toughed it out for a month when I started on > doxycycline, but after I switched to Ketek and Flagyl, the herxing was > completely incapacitating. > > cheers > > Duncan > > > > > > > For up to date information about Lyme disease and the known co-infections > delivered to your email address see: > Robynns_Lyme_List/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Anne, I had Lyme rage. Be well, > > I know that sounds like a dramatic title. I'm just wondering if > flying into rages is a part of lyme? I find lately that almost > everything and everyone annoys me and at least once a day it is just all > TOO TOO MUCH and I start shouting. I know part of it is having lost my > job, but I feel also a lack of trust in people all of a sudden, which is > very untypical for me. So is a mild form of paranoia common too? > Whatever it is, it really sucks. > > I'm in my 2nd month of minocin, and just started flagyl about 3 days ago > - definitely the symptoms are worse with the flagyl. I'm interested > inany comparisons poeple may have with their own epxerience. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Hi Anne: I've been battling Lyme Disease for over 10 years. I was finally diagnosed with babesia about two years ago and started treatment for it. I've been " nutz " ever since! I can definately identify with flying into rages. I have chronic irritability for no reason. I've been treated for depression since I was a teen, but have developed a lovely case of paranoia and suspiciousness. I also have nasty panic attacks. My Lyme Docs have all said that I probably had Lyme since I was a kid in Upstate NY. My current Doc thinks my early-onset depression (12 years old) is related to having contracted Lyme. There is help! My psychiatrist manages my paranoia and odd thinking with Geodon (an atypical antipsychotic). I couldn't believe the difference it made in my thinking and it really addressed the paranoia. It was like a veil being lifted from my mind! I find that I'm irritated less by the existence of other human beings and I don't feel like everyone around me has evil intentions . I asked my Lyme Doc about " raging " and she said that my treatment is " kicking up all sorts of things " in the old noggin. My irritability and paranoia are very unlike me and I'm glad that there's a medication that helps. Try doing a search on the web for " neuropsychiatric lyme " . Dr. Fallon at Columbia University has written quite a bit on this subject. All kinds of psychiatric symptoms are associated with Lyme. I suggest you think about consulting a psychiatrist who is " open minded " regarding lyme, or at least willing to learn. My psychiatrist made a very good point: " It doesn't matter where the problem originates or what's causing it, it's a treatable symptom " . I know there's a lot of stigma attached to seeing mental health folks. I'm a psychologist and it was hard for me to accept that I needed yet another medication, but I'm glad I followed through. You may need to persist in trying different medications until you find one that works well for you-if your psychiatrist feels that a medication is warranted. If you meet with a psychiatrist and don't like him or her or feel that you're not being listened to, find another one! Remember that you are a consumer and you have the right to be treated with respect and dignity! If you would like more information or advice on how to find a good psychiatrist, drop me a line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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