Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 It would take a whole tome to write them to you . I choose my facts carefully thru observation, and am a member of MENSA by grades. /Rodney <rod@...> wrote: Where are the facts to back up this brash statement? The vaccine failed not because people have a herditary Lyme infection, but because of a Gene problem. The plague was NOT Lyme, it was bubonic PLAGUE! Do the research before making such a statement, please! > The vaccine trial failed, because 80% of Americans have the hereditary form of lyme. And they react badly to this vaccine because its a different strain than the one from 1500 that is in their bloodline. It was the plague. 80% of americans have English, Scot, Irish, French and Dutch blood, the countries that were plague stricken; Lyme DOES go from mother to child; 80% of americans have arthritis, and 80% of americans are born with mitral valve prolapse. It is a CARRIER version where no fever is present because the embryo and fetus cannot tell the spirochete is foreign; it seems to those that it belongs in the womb from day 1, so no 'sick reaction' ever happens. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 WOW! And holy S#*@!!!!! Ring around the rosie? this is the first i have read it all put this way .however i have read else where of a strain in the dutch,Irish ect. that has been passed down thru the ages...man what a twist to my brain this one is gonna be.I feel compeled to do some research.....but maybe not! I have enough to obsess about just living in the woods!!Ticks are everywhere as well as deer!!My grandparents were all dutch irsh french sweedish american indian....great. --- " /Rodney " <rod@...> wrote: From: " /Rodney " <rod@...> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:27:08 -0500 < > Subject: Re: [ ] hereditary lyme Where are the facts to back up this brash statement? The vaccine failed not because people have a herditary Lyme infection, but because of a Gene problem. The plague was NOT Lyme, it was bubonic PLAGUE! Do the research before making such a statement, please! > The vaccine trial failed, because 80% of Americans have the hereditary form of lyme. And they react badly to this vaccine because its a different strain than the one from 1500 that is in their bloodline. It was the plague. 80% of americans have English, Scot, Irish, French and Dutch blood, the countries that were plague stricken; Lyme DOES go from mother to child; 80% of americans have arthritis, and 80% of americans are born with mitral valve prolapse. It is a CARRIER version where no fever is present because the embryo and fetus cannot tell the spirochete is foreign; it seems to those that it belongs in the womb from day 1, so no 'sick reaction' ever happens. > > But the bacteria IS there, and eventually in older age, will eat away the persons nerves and sugar. (diabetes; ms; nerve disorders like alzheimers/parkinsons etc; heart and kidney trouble, bladder in old women, deafness/blindness in virtually ALL our elders who have this bloodline). > > RING AROUND THE ROSIE, the nursery rhyme about the plague, > is a modern description of the LYME RASH. > > Ring around the rosie...the rash > Pocket full of posies: the flower amulet you kept in your pocket, > to superstitiously ward off plague > Ashes, ashes...........the burning of the plague bodies/epidemic > We all fall down.......acutely reacting because never before > exposed prior to 1500. > > There are two classical reactions to lyme, from two groups. The darker, mediterranean, asian, african, hispanic etc. people fall DOWN....acutely....while, > > > > the white, scot, dutch, irish, english, and french who have the hereditary PARTIAL IMMUNITY...to a different strain....get VAGUELY, SLOWLY ill. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Genetics is a scam; you can show WHERE on the chromosome proteins are being eaten away; each chromosome is also a weight of molecular protein; but you cannot say WHAT is eating it. Thats bogus. Yes, genes eaten of proteins cannot replicate correctly. When we start with a single egg, containing a single strand of chromosome, that makes a huge difference - and a defective, eaten gene. Bubonic plague does NOT cause a target shaped rash. LYME does. Rats also carry ticks and fleas; ticks and fleas spread LYME. Sorry, but the chips have fallen and we are not going to rewrite antique relics of evidence pointing to the fact, that lyme was INDEED the plague. American Medical Studies SHOW without a DOUBT, that the control group is JUST as sick as the noncontrol group. We are a SICK POPULATION as a WHOLE, which is very lucrative for those making money off us....are you a patient, or are you a staff? > The vaccine trial failed, because 80% of Americans have the hereditary form of lyme. And they react badly to this vaccine because its a different strain than the one from 1500 that is in their bloodline. It was the plague. 80% of americans have English, Scot, Irish, French and Dutch blood, the countries that were plague stricken; Lyme DOES go from mother to child; 80% of americans have arthritis, and 80% of americans are born with mitral valve prolapse. It is a CARRIER version where no fever is present because the embryo and fetus cannot tell the spirochete is foreign; it seems to those that it belongs in the womb from day 1, so no 'sick reaction' ever happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Hi Its apparent your studying the observations/mis observations of others, many coined in the 1800s. The cities affected by the plague were PORTS, it had more to do with the new importation of sheep (sheep tick is the one responsible in europe) and you are mistaken. The silk route is an antiquated theory in need of update. Why would rats choose the silk rat? Rats lived on SHIPS primarily. Sometimes things determined in the 1800s were very wrong. Thru careful study, and 1000 other pieces of the puzzle fitting, I know I am correct. With your info, the pieces dont fit, a sign of an incorrect theory. :)It is physically impossible to find Y Plestris from the year 1500 in burned bodies, dont ya think? Common sense. They burned plague victims . I found my BB in the UK. Where I was bitten. Personally. 30 years ago now. And I daresay 30 years of knowing lyme, seeing lyme, studying lyme, and careful observation of ALL science for a broad picture, give me a viewpoint you might not yet be up to. I also have the luxury of all those years NOT working, not being busy with other mundane thoughts, to work on this theory and all that time at my full disposal. THIS is the greatest aspect of the tragedy of lyme for me - the opportunity to endlessly study. /Rodney <rod@...> wrote: > It would take a whole tome to write them to you . I choose my facts carefully thru observation, and am a member of MENSA by grades. Being a member of Mensa, doesnt mean that the person is correct. The Plague was caused by Y Pestis , a bacterium, this has been proven. Not to say that some people didnt have Lyme, but Lyme wasnt the causative agent. The Y Pestis caused Lymph node problems thus the 'rings'. It started along the silk trade routes then came into Europe. All it would take is a few references for you to back up your statement that the Plague was Lyme. I have never seen any reference to that ( of course absence of proof isnt proof of absence) either here or abroad. Have you done or found research where Bb has been found? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Whoever told you they did cultures (from burned??) plague victims is bamboozling you. The ring around the red spot IS a classic description of a lyme rash. There are always many explanations that seem to fit a mystery; many rails lead to the same train yard; however, when seeking out what happened, there will be only ONE correct explanation and that explanation will fall into place shedding light on 1000 other facets of the issue. My theory does. In case you didnt know, all the queens portraits circa 1300-1600 feature " flea wands " , furry topped staffs, believed to keep the fleas from biting. Due to the nature of the long, floor length dresses (walking heat cones) in medieval dress, the heat seeking fleas would bother women to no end, plus lack of common hygiene we have today, straw common on floors for warmth, straw mattresses, etc. Lack of bathing and plumbing. Fleas were everyday affairs up till 1800 . For humans. No, they dont culture plague victims - they burned plague victims. If theyre culturing dead grave bodies, that was not a plague victim. If you are interested in what supports my theory, go back and read all my posts. I type 120 but I dont know where to start, plus Id clog up the email system here repeating it all. Here are a few highlights of why my theory works, common sense: Why did the eskimos sicken upon meeting the white? Because, we are lymies and they were not exposed. Why did plague strike europe? Because, it has no ultraviolet sun, its on the same latitude as the NE states, and ultraviolet sun which kills lyme is only present at the latitude of Kansas and Virginia, and southward. Why is MS not seen south of KS and VA? Because, MS is lyme. Why does lyme prey most on rainy, green, northern states? Because on top of not having ultraviolet sun to kill lyme, we get almost NO sun because of clouds and rain compounding that. Why do South American indians DIE from meeting whites? Lymies. Why did slaves die on ships cooped up with whites? Lymies. Why do dark complexioned people get acutely ill from a tick bite in america? Because the high ultraviolet sun thats native to them, which shielded them from being a plague country, and they have no previous immunity. Why do european descent people in the US getting a tick bite, have a more CHRONIC, slow, reaction? We have partial lymie immunity, its a different strain we were born with that gives us that immunity. This strain evolves like all strains, over time, and will differ from the current strain being dispersed via ticks and fleas. Why did the euros need slaves? Because they are not well muscle toned due to lyme eating their myelin. Why are euros the only WHITE skinned group on the globe? Because we have lyme, it eats our pigment. We were destined to be darker, coming from the cradle of the world in africa originally. Why did indians sicken from the pilgrims? We brought lyme with us. Why do european women have downs babies? Because, lyme favors the extremities in the beginning, when its not yet pressed for space via high population. As we age, it doubles monthly, and by age 40, it has reached the torso. When it eats that one gene from the egg, we see a down syndrome baby. It reaches the torso by the end of the thirties in the hereditary version. By math. Ive said most in my previous posts. Please read them. Its a huge subject, it overturns what science has said all this time, but its correct. To admit lyme is hereditary, AND curable, would 'embarass' whites, (please get over that!), end medicine as we know it, cure a plethora of lyme related illnesses (the " imitator " illnesses are actually not imitations)...and doctors would no longer be rich, drug companies would have to find other occupations, and there would be no need for insurance and such high taxes - the sick would be fixed, working, boosting the economy, not dragging it down thru the roles of SSD, SSI, Welfare, etc...not to mention, enjoying their lives via health. So science in favor of continued money making, appears to be very concerned with A) not allowing it to be known lyme is hereditary, contagious, etc...and pretending lyme cannot be cured, as a backup safety measure to insure wealth. /Rodney <rod@...> wrote: The target for the ring wasnt a bite , it was Lymph nodes and similar pathways. For the Plague to have been Lyme people would have to have been biten by infected fleas/ticks numerous times. If you can state that Y Pestis wasnt the cause, but Lyme was, how do you reconcile the virulence of Y Pestis and why they have been able to culture it in Plague victims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Hi I think Im the first person saying it and putting it all together. I am your reference. Sorry that no man has obtained a publisher previous to give you your ibids....but that doesnt change the fact that its a very valid theory. Read all my previous posts to put them together, its a very long subject. I believe the romans got lyme from ireland during the british occupation of the 2nd century, and fell sick, hence why they left in a hurry...tho, upon going back to sunny italy, even if it still lingers as a hereditary presence, the sun would keep it well in check and never let it culminate in MS and Diabetes and all these other facets of lyme, like heart/arthritis...you DO see in italy that disease particularly where the hands/feet typically first start getting white/pink patches of lost pigment...also common to the slaves in the carribean who had scottish blood via slave babies with masters...this disease particularly strikes them as well when they come to the NE states of USA. It has to do with sun being lacking in our latitude NE, North in general. Syphillis came from sheep and from some not-so-chaste shepherds obtaining it thru creative shepherding techniques. ! Sheep in europe are the animal host lyme prefers, i.e. the sheep tick. Deer were extinct a long long time ago in europe. That doesnt prevent a tick from living on, ticks live on ANY furry animal including rats. Please read today's posts I made, as there is some related info to what you just asked. I would really appreciate some confirming web references for your fascinating idea. I've wondered for some time if Columbus' ships brought Lyme as well as syphillis back to Europe -- the ships had rats which undoubtedly got off and on in America -- this would match up with 1500, which was not an exceptional plague time. Plague may have first appeared in Europe in the 6th century, during the reign of the Eastern Roman Emperor ian. " J. " <tjs11@...> wrote: __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 The " silk route " youre referring to is in britain called " the gypsy trail " . Its a footpath still walked by the gypsies and their caravan wagons, all the way to India, today. So, YOU think, the plague rats got there by walking all the way from the orient.... Hmm. I say, it was the sheep trade, which started shortly before the plague arrived. Rats on ships, not walking from India. Believe what you like . If its in a book, it must be true, right? Viable bone marrow? I have a bridge to sell, are ya interested? So, this bone marrow I guess came with a little booklet describing that the dead corpse died of plague. Not. /Rodney <rod@...> wrote: > Hi > Its apparent your studying the observations/mis observations of others, many coined in the 1800s. > Actually , no I am not. I am going by what has been proven in the past 5 years. All cities were affected by Plague, it spread from ports by travellers and got to the ports, via the Med and before that the silk trade routes. They did not burn all plague victims, they have actually found viable bone marrow to do the testing. When a person wants to argue the validity of proven science and fact, it is up to them to prove their point or disprove the other theory by facts and not by mere observations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/osheim/marchione.html > And that the plague was not bubonic plague, because they claim to have 'cultured' bubonic plague from plague victims in the 1500s, although thats impossible - as the bodies were burned. Whoever mistook a grave corpse culture for 'the plague' must not have known all the victims were burned. > That web address goes to a site, just one, where an archival record of ones mans account with the Plague. Second paragraph, he clearly states that bodies were buried and NOT BURNED. I do not mind a person making an idea known. But for them to come out and state something as fact when they dont have proof, is ludicris. When trying to disprove one theorum and replace it with another, it is up to that person to prove their point. > THATS what Im saying. The ring around the rosie describes a target shaped bullseye rash, ashes ashes all fall down refers to the burning of bodies, dying, etc. k > > > sae <irishdrought2003@...> wrote: > --I don't understand I think any animal can have fleas but not every > animal carries bubonic plague. > > Are you saying that we are carriers of lyme because of our ancestory? > > Are you saying that lyme and bubonic plague are the same things? > > What type of climate if Tn of the lyme ? > > I know we have plenty of ticks but what about ones that are infected > with lyme? > > Sandy > > > > > > Questions and/or comments can be directed to the list owner at -Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 The silk route starts in what is now China. If you followed any of the literature about the Plague you would know that Caravans trekked this and that all mammals could die from it, dogs, cats, camels etc. The gypsies and such kept the plague at bay by noting if there were an abundance of dead mammals, if there were, they moved on. Fleas dont just hitch a ride on just one host. I would truly like to know how you can reconcile the symptoms of the Plague ( Y Pestis) to those people now see w/Lyme. If you speak it, then it must be true? No thanks, I prefer to believe what has been proven. Note I said proven, just considered or dreamed of, but proven. I would gladly see your point if you actually made one, but it reads more like an urban legend, just enough truth to make it sound real, but just isnt. Sorry. Re: [ ] hereditary lyme > The " silk route " youre referring to is in britain called " the gypsy trail " . Its a footpath still walked by the gypsies and their caravan wagons, all the way to India, today. > > So, YOU think, the plague rats got there by walking all the way from the orient.... > > Hmm. > > I say, it was the sheep trade, which started shortly before the plague arrived. Rats on ships, not walking from India. > > Believe what you like . If its in a book, it must be true, right? > > Viable bone marrow? I have a bridge to sell, are ya interested? So, this bone marrow I guess came with a little booklet describing that the dead corpse died of plague. Not. > > /Rodney <rod@...> wrote: > > > > Hi > > Its apparent your studying the observations/mis observations of others, > many coined in the 1800s. > > > Actually , no I am not. I am going by what has been proven in the past 5 > years. All cities were affected by Plague, it spread from ports by > travellers and got to the ports, via the Med and before that the silk trade > routes. > They did not burn all plague victims, they have actually found viable > bone marrow to do the testing. > When a person wants to argue the validity of proven science and fact, > it is up to them to prove their point or disprove the other theory by facts > and not by mere observations. > > > > > Questions and/or comments can be directed to the list owner at -Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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