RE: Question about immune system response

[Guest guest]

I think you should continue with LDN, it will probably help you get over the

cold more quickly.

Art

My MS/LDN story/1988 - 2010

http://ldn.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=personal & action=display & thread=867

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>

> I took LDN at the 1.5 dose for a month, then upped it to 2.5 for a couple

> of weeks. During the last 2 weeks I kept trying to come down with a

> cold/virus, but was able to fight it off twice. Finally it caught up with me

and

> I have been pretty sick for about 5 days now. This is most unusual for

> me. Most of the time if I catch something I get a mild case and then get

> over it quickly.

>

> Having taken LDN for such a short time, I would not expect it to do much

> by way of improving my immune system yet. I am actually wondering if it

> might be having the opposite effect at this stage. This is definitely a bug

I

> have caught and not a side effect of the LDN because my husband has the

> same thing.

>

> Should I continue taking the LDN, or possibly stop it for a while in case

> I end up having to get antibiotics to kick this bug?

>

> Beverly

>

[Guest guest]

Many of the LDN doctors note that a healing crisis of some kind often

happens after starting LDN. On the other hand, the virus may have nothing

at all to do with the LDN, only coincidental. Many people on the health

lists I'm on have mentioned a nasty cold virus that is going around-- I had

it too and I rarely get colds and only very mildly when I do. Sounds like

you made contact with it.

You wouldn't stop LDN if you were taking antibiotics, they are not

incompatible. The primary issue with LDN compatibility is opiates,

secondarily predisone-type steroids, and thirdly certain immune-suppressant

drugs.

Colds are viruses which antibiotics cannot touch. Taking antibiotics for

colds only hurts the immune system and does nothing to cure the cold.

Unless you're talking about a secondary bacterial infection.

best wishes,

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>I took LDN at the 1.5 dose for a month, then upped it to 2.5 for a couple

>of weeks. During the last 2 weeks I kept trying to come down with a

>cold/virus, but was able to fight it off twice. Finally it caught up with

>me and I have been pretty sick for about 5 days now. This is most unusual

>for me. Most of the time if I catch something I get a mild case and then

>get over it quickly.

>

>Having taken LDN for such a short time, I would not expect it to do much

>by way of improving my immune system yet. I am actually wondering if it

>might be having the opposite effect at this stage. This is definitely a

>bug I have caught and not a side effect of the LDN because my husband has

>the same thing.

>

>Should I continue taking the LDN, or possibly stop it for a while in case

>I end up having to get antibiotics to kick this bug?

>

>Beverly

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

sometimes viral problems do respond to antibiotics. it might be from some

indirect interaction involving the immune system.

CSilver does kill virus. colds and flu have to be attacked before they

really take hold though, otherwise the CS only helps symptoms and shortens

duration.

i just flew coast to coast and the plane cabin air was really stuffy, seats

almost full, and i could feel the buggers invading. i sneezed about twenty

times in succession after a few hours. didn't bring CS with me as it

wouldn't have made it through TSA (they took my little 2 " expensive whisker

scissors damn their eyes). but i had mailed a CS generator to myself and

made some right away and knocked it out effectively before it got strong

hold.

> Re: [low dose naltrexone] Question about immune system response

>

> Many of the LDN doctors note that a healing crisis of some kind often

> happens after starting LDN. On the other hand, the virus may

> have nothing

> at all to do with the LDN, only coincidental. Many people on

> the health

> lists I'm on have mentioned a nasty cold virus that is going

> around-- I had

> it too and I rarely get colds and only very mildly when I do.

> Sounds like

> you made contact with it.

>

> You wouldn't stop LDN if you were taking antibiotics, they are not

> incompatible. The primary issue with LDN compatibility is opiates,

> secondarily predisone-type steroids, and thirdly certain

> immune-suppressant

> drugs.

>

> Colds are viruses which antibiotics cannot touch. Taking

> antibiotics for

> colds only hurts the immune system and does nothing to cure the cold.

> Unless you're talking about a secondary bacterial infection.

>

> best wishes,

> --

>

> >I took LDN at the 1.5 dose for a month, then upped it to 2.5

> for a couple

> >of weeks. During the last 2 weeks I kept trying to come down with a

> >cold/virus, but was able to fight it off twice. Finally it

> caught up with

> >me and I have been pretty sick for about 5 days now. This

> is most unusual

> >for me. Most of the time if I catch something I get a mild

> case and then

> >get over it quickly.

> >

> >Having taken LDN for such a short time, I would not expect

> it to do much

> >by way of improving my immune system yet. I am actually

> wondering if it

> >might be having the opposite effect at this stage. This is

> definitely a

> >bug I have caught and not a side effect of the LDN because

> my husband has

> >the same thing.

> >

> >Should I continue taking the LDN, or possibly stop it for a

> while in case

> >I end up having to get antibiotics to kick this bug?

> >

> >Beverly

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

If it is a virus you can increase vit c up to bowel

tolerance.

At the beginning of ldn there is a shift in the immune

system

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[Guest guest]

There is a ceiling amount of pred that can be taken with LDN. I believe

that may be 10mg/day, but that will need to be verified by someone else.

Here is some info posted by LarryGC previously:

>Dr. Lawrence from the UK has MS and uses LDN as his treatment.

>

>Dr. Lawrence's thoughts below...

>

>Another frustration is the repeated question: " What do I do if I need

>steroids? " My response to this is simple! You DO NOT need steroids!

>

>Because exacerbations are due to oxidative stress, usually associated with

>an infective, traumatic, or emotional event, the more suitable treatment is

>antioxidants - at high dosage! Apart from the basic antioxidants that we all

>know (zinc, copper, selenium, vit C, E, and beta carotene) there is a vast

>and increasing list of other antioxidants that may also be used: flavonoid

>OPCs; alpha lipoic acid, acetyl N-carnitine; phosphatidyl serine; etc, etc.

>Used at high dosage these are as capable as steroids in reducing the

>intensity and development of relapses or exacerbations without the downside

>and adverse effects of steroids.

>

>==========

>

>The below is by Dr. Lawrence's assistant giving further explanation.

>

>Action to Take in MS, in the Event of a Relapse or Exacerbation

>

>While taking LDN, relapses of MS are much less likely to occur, but may be

>associated with any situation of physical or emotional stress. This should

>more precisely be referred to as a reactive exacerbation as, in this

>situation, the increase in symptoms is not directly related to a spontaneous

>increase in MS activity.

>

>Such stress-associated exacerbations are invariably due to some kind of

>exceptional circumstance that imposes an additional demand on the immune

>system, thus reducing the ability of the immune system to deal adequately

>with the disease itself. The most likely event prompting this response is

>either infection, injury or trauma of some kind.

>

>In this circumstance, when MS symptoms are seen to increase significantly,

>many MS patients will be tempted to accept the routine advice of

>conventional neurologists, which is to submit to a course of steroid drugs.

>This choice is both inappropriate and ill-advised.

>

>Steroid use in any auto-immune disease, such as MS, will have a strong

>adverse effect by suppressing both the immune system and adrenal function.

>Thus, when these drugs are stopped, these reactions will result in an

>increase in both the risk of further relapse, and the rate of disease

>progression. In addition, when steroids are used, it will become necessary

>to stop taking the LDN, further disrupting the level of disease stability.

>

>Thus, if a relapse should occur, for whatever reason, the most important

>action is to continue the LDN without a break.

>

>In addition, the nutrient therapy, which is also effective in protecting and

>promoting the function of the immune system, should be continued at optimum

>levels.

>

>Because relapses of MS are related to what is referred to as oxidative

>stress, the most effective therapy will be the antioxidants.

>

>These nutrients will therefore include, most importantly, zinc and copper,

>at the dose required by the zinc taste test; and all the routine

>antioxidants (selenium; vitamin C; vitamin E, and beta carotene), at optimum

>dosage. This will mean doubling the dose beyond that considered appropriate

>for routine use. Thus, doubling the dose will provide vitamin C, 2000 mg;

>vitamin E, 800 international units; selenium, 400 mcg; beta carotene, 30 mg.

>

>Vitamin D and EPA fish oil will also be required within this overall

>therapeutic context.

>

>The anthocyanidins too are very effective antioxidants, permitting the

>recycling and re-use of both vitamin C and vitamin E within the body.

>

>Anthocyanidins, otherwise known as oligomeric pro-anthocyanidins, or OPCs,

>are plant derived flavonoids that have a powerful antioxidant activity.

>

>The recommended dose during a normal state of activity of the MS is between

>250 and 500 mg/ day. During a significant exacerbation this dose may be

>increased beyond that to as much as 500 to 1000 mg/ day.

>

>Examples of anthocyanidins include pine bark extract, often sold as

>pycnogenol. As a patented product, for the modest dose provided, usually

>30mg, this is relatively very expensive. Conversely, grapeseed extract is

>one of the cheapest flavonoids available. Others include green tea extract,

>and extracts from many dark-coloured seeds, such as bilberries, blueberries

>or blackberries.

>

>This overall method will be far more effective at controlling any increase

>in disease activity with no threat of further relapse, as occurs with an

>intense phase of treatment with steroids.

>

>==========

>

>However anyone who is on steroids would need to follow a doctor's advice if

>coming off them.

>

>

At 12:30 PM 11/28/2010, you wrote:

>Can you take Prednisone with LDN???

> Re: [low dose naltrexone] Question about immune system response

>

>Â

>

>

>

>

>Many of the LDN doctors note that a healing crisis of some kind often

>happens after starting LDN. On the other hand, the virus may have nothing

>at all to do with the LDN, only coincidental. Many people on the health

>lists I'm on have mentioned a nasty cold virus that is going around-- I had

>it too and I rarely get colds and only very mildly when I do. Sounds like

>you made contact with it.

>

>You wouldn't stop LDN if you were taking antibiotics, they are not

>incompatible. The primary issue with LDN compatibility is opiates,

>secondarily predisone-type steroids, and thirdly certain immune-suppressant

>drugs.

>

>Colds are viruses which antibiotics cannot touch. Taking antibiotics for

>colds only hurts the immune system and does nothing to cure the cold.

>Unless you're talking about a secondary bacterial infection.

>

>best wishes,

>--

>

> >I took LDN at the 1.5 dose for a month, then upped it to 2.5 for a couple

> >of weeks. During the last 2 weeks I kept trying to come down with a

> >cold/virus, but was able to fight it off twice. Finally it caught up with

> >me and I have been pretty sick for about 5 days now. This is most unusual

> >for me. Most of the time if I catch something I get a mild case and then

> >get over it quickly.

> >

> >Having taken LDN for such a short time, I would not expect it to do much

> >by way of improving my immune system yet. I am actually wondering if it

> >might be having the opposite effect at this stage. This is definitely a

> >bug I have caught and not a side effect of the LDN because my husband has

> >the same thing.

> >

> >Should I continue taking the LDN, or possibly stop it for a while in case

> >I end up having to get antibiotics to kick this bug?

> >

> >Beverly

>

>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

>--A.J. Muste

>

>

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Dear Baker,

In my opinion, Dr. Lawrence is correct about not needing corticosteroids. Occasionally they may be useful if you are about to get into a fight with a leopard or something or have defective adrenal glands. They are really a palliative and do not cure any infectious diseases (as so called autoimmune diseases probably are). On the contrary, they inhibit the immune system. You may see a hypothesis that cortisol is an immune hormone that inversely mobilizes the body against potassium wasting intestinal diseases in http://charles_w.tripod.com/cortisol.html