Green Tea

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How do you know green tea detoxifies the liver?

J

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>Me again!

>

>My levels are now almost normal (I think)! I'm on 30mg Pred. and 50mg

>Imuran per day. On my " off " days, I notice my liver and kidney are still

>sore. Especially my kidney, and especially after green tea (which

>detoxifies the liver). Does anyone know how to ease this tension? I'm

>thinking drinking more water, but I wasn't sure if there was something

>more.

> Also, is this something I should be worried about? I guess like all the

>other symptoms, it will decrease with the dosage of the pred.

>

>Take care everyone,

>

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Hi, I am back again! What does dandilion tea do, and is it okay to drink. I

can't drink anything at this point except water and skim milk. Would like to

drink something else for a change, but have no idea what. It can't have sugar

or caffeine of any kind. I may want to put some sweetner in it sometimes tho.

Any ideas? Lynn aih

Ceallachqn@... wrote:

> From: Ceallachqn@...

>

> Hi ,

> This is just a thought, but the caffeine in the green tea may be stressing

> your kidney...you could try drinking dandelion tea in place of the green tea

> for liver detox.

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

Dandelion tea also helps the liver detox. It does not contain caffeine. I

hate to tell you, but if you are drinking green tea, you are also drinking

caffeine.

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I do not know if the Green Tea detoxes the liver but my doctor told me to drink

it too..Dixie

susan johnson wrote:

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> ,

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> How do you know green tea detoxifies the liver?

>

> J

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> >Me again!

> >

> >My levels are now almost normal (I think)! I'm on 30mg Pred. and 50mg

> >Imuran per day. On my " off " days, I notice my liver and kidney are still

> >sore. Especially my kidney, and especially after green tea (which

> >detoxifies the liver). Does anyone know how to ease this tension? I'm

> >thinking drinking more water, but I wasn't sure if there was something

> >more.

> > Also, is this something I should be worried about? I guess like all the

> >other symptoms, it will decrease with the dosage of the pred.

> >

> >Take care everyone,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >---------------------------

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Is green tea and dandylion tea tasty, or is it awful? Lynn

meles@... wrote:

> From: meles@...

>

> I do not know if the Green Tea detoxes the liver but my doctor told me to

drink

> it too..Dixie

>

> susan johnson wrote:

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> > From: " susan johnson " <shireen42@...>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > How do you know green tea detoxifies the liver?

> >

> > J

> >

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> > >From: " emily simpson " <esimpson7@...>

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> > >Me again!

> > >

> > >My levels are now almost normal (I think)! I'm on 30mg Pred. and 50mg

> > >Imuran per day. On my " off " days, I notice my liver and kidney are still

> > >sore. Especially my kidney, and especially after green tea (which

> > >detoxifies the liver). Does anyone know how to ease this tension? I'm

> > >thinking drinking more water, but I wasn't sure if there was something

> > >more.

> > > Also, is this something I should be worried about? I guess like all the

> > >other symptoms, it will decrease with the dosage of the pred.

> > >

> > >Take care everyone,

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi Lynn,

Green tea tastes pretty much like regular tea. Dandelion tea, tastes, well,

lets just say it is different! It really isn't yucky, but it is isn't all

that spectacular either.

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I bought bottled green tea with ginseng and thought it smelled like throw-up

Threw it out, but kept the bottle, it was pretty.

J

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>Hi Lynn,

>Green tea tastes pretty much like regular tea. Dandelion tea, tastes,

>well,

>lets just say it is different! It really isn't yucky, but it is isn't all

>that spectacular either.

>

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Hi Lynn,

The dandelion tea does not have caffeine. Green tea DOES have caffeine

though.

[Guest guest]

So these teas are actually good for us? If they are I will give them a try.

They don't have caffeine right? Lynn

Ceallachqn@... wrote:

> From: Ceallachqn@...

>

> Hi Lynn,

> Green tea tastes pretty much like regular tea. Dandelion tea, tastes, well,

> lets just say it is different! It really isn't yucky, but it is isn't all

> that spectacular either.

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

That is a good one J!!!!! I tried it once in a bottle and it tasted like

it too! Lynn AIH

susan johnson wrote:

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>

> I bought bottled green tea with ginseng and thought it smelled like throw-up

> Threw it out, but kept the bottle, it was pretty.

>

> J

>

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> >Hi Lynn,

> >Green tea tastes pretty much like regular tea. Dandelion tea, tastes,

> >well,

> >lets just say it is different! It really isn't yucky, but it is isn't all

> >that spectacular either.

> >

> >---------------------------

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Hi ,

That is funny! I never buy those premade things. They even make a mess out

of aloe vera - which so many are touting these days. I have a plant in my

back yard and I ate some one day just to see. It tasted like water. The

stuff they sell that is in the health food store is disgusting.

[Guest guest]

,

Isn't green tea basically the same tea you get in Chinese restaurants? I'm

not a major tea drinker and when I drink it, I prefer English Breakfast.

Probably not especially beneficial but twice a year probably won't kill me.

However, I read an article recently about Chinese tea and the article was

claiming that it has many healing properties. I don't remember the details

but maybe someone else has read somethnig specific about why it's " good "

for us.

Is caffeine especially harmful to liver patients or is caffeine just

generally harmful? I've heard so many pros and cons and I urge my husband

to drink less coffee, but I hadn't heard that it was something that liver

patients should avoid.

Take care,

Geri

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Hi Geri, I avoid caffeine not because of my liver, but because of maniers'

disease. Lynn aih

Geri Spang wrote:

> From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>

> ,

> Isn't green tea basically the same tea you get in Chinese restaurants? I'm

> not a major tea drinker and when I drink it, I prefer English Breakfast.

> Probably not especially beneficial but twice a year probably won't kill me.

> However, I read an article recently about Chinese tea and the article was

> claiming that it has many healing properties. I don't remember the details

> but maybe someone else has read somethnig specific about why it's " good "

> for us.

>

> Is caffeine especially harmful to liver patients or is caffeine just

> generally harmful? I've heard so many pros and cons and I urge my husband

> to drink less coffee, but I hadn't heard that it was something that liver

> patients should avoid.

> Take care,

> Geri

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Did you make the green tea and drink some? What does it taste like. The

chinese restaurants in our area serve oolong or jasmine tea.

Have any of you had chamomile tea?

J

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>Hi Geri,

>You know, I am beginning to wonder about that. It was my impression that

>the

>green tea you buy in the box at the store was the same as what you got in a

>Chinese restaurant. I went around reading all the boxes in the store the

>other day and noted that many of the boxes called green tea also had other

>teas mixed in them. For example, one box I picked up had green tea and

>black

>pekoe and orange pekoe. I wound up buying a box that had only green tea.

>It

>did not say anything about caffeine, so this is something I will have to

>research further. The green tea mix definitely had caffeine - the orange

>and

>black pekoe. Now I am unsure about the caffeine content in green tea.

>

>According to one source I have read recently (Prescription for Nutritional

>Healing by Balch M.D.) it is stated that " Other factors that

>contribute

>to liver malfunction include the presence of Candida, the use of

>contraceptives, and the consumption of caffeine. " Caffeine is in basic

>terms

>a drug. One that is accepted and considered safe of course, but

>none-the-less a drug. It is something else for the liver to filter out.

>This is considered controversial by some. It just depends on where you are

>sitting. I will look through my literature for other information.

>

>I can speak from my own experience with caffeine. It does me no good at

>all.

> I develop joint pain and muscle aches. Before I linked this to caffeine

>I

>was also experiencing achiness in my right side.

>

>For the general population, there are other things associated with

>caffeine.

>According to " Nutrition Almanac " pp. 193 - " Certain soft drinks,

>especially

>cola, contain large amounts of caffeine, which stimulates the metabolism

>and

>leads to depletion of valuable nutrients in the body. " On coffee the same

>book states " quickens the respiration process, strengthens the pulse,

>raises

>the blood pressure, stimulates the kidneys, excites the functions of the

>brain, and temporarily relieves fatigue or depression. If consumed in

>excess, coffee can cause increased nervous symptioms, aggravate heart and

>artery disorders, and irritate the lining of the stomach. It may also

>create

>inositol and biotin deficiencies, prevent iron from being properly

>utilized,

>and cause other vitamins to be pumped through and out of the body before

>they

>can be properly absorbed. "

>

>There is more, but I didn't want to put a whole book on here! I will dig

>around more on the green tea and post what I find out.

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I've known a couple of people who've had Meniere's Disease, quite a few

years ago. I know nothing about it but I do remember that both of them had

very specific diets they had to follow. One of them was an aunt who no

longer has problems. I wonder what she did to control it? Got to ask her

(but she lives in Vancouver, WA.) I'll try to remember.Not fair the way

things pile up, is it?

Geri

[Guest guest]

Hi Geri,

You know, I am beginning to wonder about that. It was my impression that the

green tea you buy in the box at the store was the same as what you got in a

Chinese restaurant. I went around reading all the boxes in the store the

other day and noted that many of the boxes called green tea also had other

teas mixed in them. For example, one box I picked up had green tea and black

pekoe and orange pekoe. I wound up buying a box that had only green tea. It

did not say anything about caffeine, so this is something I will have to

research further. The green tea mix definitely had caffeine - the orange and

black pekoe. Now I am unsure about the caffeine content in green tea.

According to one source I have read recently (Prescription for Nutritional

Healing by Balch M.D.) it is stated that " Other factors that contribute

to liver malfunction include the presence of Candida, the use of

contraceptives, and the consumption of caffeine. " Caffeine is in basic terms

a drug. One that is accepted and considered safe of course, but

none-the-less a drug. It is something else for the liver to filter out.

This is considered controversial by some. It just depends on where you are

sitting. I will look through my literature for other information.

I can speak from my own experience with caffeine. It does me no good at all.

I develop joint pain and muscle aches. Before I linked this to caffeine I

was also experiencing achiness in my right side.

For the general population, there are other things associated with caffeine.

According to " Nutrition Almanac " pp. 193 - " Certain soft drinks, especially

cola, contain large amounts of caffeine, which stimulates the metabolism and

leads to depletion of valuable nutrients in the body. " On coffee the same

book states " quickens the respiration process, strengthens the pulse, raises

the blood pressure, stimulates the kidneys, excites the functions of the

brain, and temporarily relieves fatigue or depression. If consumed in

excess, coffee can cause increased nervous symptioms, aggravate heart and

artery disorders, and irritate the lining of the stomach. It may also create

inositol and biotin deficiencies, prevent iron from being properly utilized,

and cause other vitamins to be pumped through and out of the body before they

can be properly absorbed. "

There is more, but I didn't want to put a whole book on here! I will dig

around more on the green tea and post what I find out.

[Guest guest]

Hi Geri, I think " fair " went out the window for most of us! With my Meniers

disease, I don't use caffeine, I have to control salt, as in not much, no

alcohol, very little sugar (I can't have anyway). That works pretty well for

me, but I think my fluid retention was setting it off this time, and this

batch, tho not horribly bad, still was awful, and lasted longer than normal.

It is fine now tho. I may continute to have this problem if I can't keep the

fluid down. Find out what your aunt does, would be very interesting. Thanks

Geri, Lynn in Wa AIH

Geri Spang wrote:

> From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>

> Lynn,

> I've known a couple of people who've had Meniere's Disease, quite a few

> years ago. I know nothing about it but I do remember that both of them had

> very specific diets they had to follow. One of them was an aunt who no

> longer has problems. I wonder what she did to control it? Got to ask her

> (but she lives in Vancouver, WA.) I'll try to remember.Not fair the way

> things pile up, is it?

> Geri

>

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

I haven't tried the dandelion tea yet, but I like the green tea. Before I

tried it, I'd heard people say it tasted horrible, so I'm sure it's a

personal preference. I find it to be very mild tasting. I love herbal

teas, though. My boyfriend and I drink them all the time. They've become a

comfort...

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>From: Lynn <CEN32195@...>

>

>Is green tea and dandylion tea tasty, or is it awful? Lynn

>

>meles@... wrote:

>

> > From: meles@...

> >

> > I do not know if the Green Tea detoxes the liver but my doctor told me

>to drink

> > it too..Dixie

> >

> > susan johnson wrote:

> >

> > > From: " susan johnson " <shireen42@...>

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > How do you know green tea detoxifies the liver?

> > >

> > > J

> > >

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> > > >

> > > >My levels are now almost normal (I think)! I'm on 30mg Pred. and

>50mg

> > > >Imuran per day. On my " off " days, I notice my liver and kidney are

>still

> > > >sore. Especially my kidney, and especially after green tea (which

> > > >detoxifies the liver). Does anyone know how to ease this tension?

>I'm

> > > >thinking drinking more water, but I wasn't sure if there was

>something

> > > >more.

> > > > Also, is this something I should be worried about? I guess like

>all the

> > > >other symptoms, it will decrease with the dosage of the pred.

> > > >

> > > >Take care everyone,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >---------------------------

[Guest guest]

> Hello Jonah,

> Drinking green tea on a daily basis is fine. I am sorry about the confusion,

but only GOLDENSEAL should not be taken for more than a week.

Does green tea help to cleanse the bowel? What about it's effectiveness at

killing parasites?

Thanks,

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

Here is a little info on green tea. As for Milk

Thistle, it is probably THE one best thing for your

liver. My personal opinion is that this is not the

thing to try and save money on, buy a really good

brand, like Maximum Milk Thistle or Thistyln.

Brigitte Mars is an herbalist and nutritional

> consultant from Boulder Colorado, who has been

> working with natural medicine for 30 years. She

> teaches herbalist, and has a weekly Boulder

> radio show called Naturally. Ms. Mars has this

> to say about Green Tea.

>

> Green tea is a hypotensive, lowering blood pressure

> and helping to increase blood flow to the heart.

> Many Asians have long consumed green tea with meals,

> and this practice is now showing to reduce arterial

> disease. Many heart attacks are brought on by blood

> platelet aggregation and green tea prevents the

blood

> from " clumping together " and forming clots that can

lead

> to stroke.

>

> Whereas coffee can elevate cholesterol levels, green

tea

> helps lower them. The catechin content of green tea

> helps to break down cholesterol and increase its

> elimination through the bowels. Green tea also

helps

> to keep blood sugar levels moderate.

>

> Green tea has been used throughout history to

improve

> ailments such as allergies, arteriosclerosis,

asthma,

> cholera, colds, congestion, coughs, depression,

diarrhea,

> digestive infections, dysentery, fatigue, hangovers,

> hepatitis, migraines, and typhus. Tea helps to

constrict

> the blood vessels, thereby reducing the throbbing

pain

> of an impending headache. In China, medicines made

> from the polyphenols in tea are used to treat

hepatitis,

> nephritis, and leukemia.

>

> Green teal helps to prevent dental decay by

inhibiting

> the bacteria streptococcus muttons, which are

responsible

> for plaque formation. It can also help inhibit the

bacteria

> that causes halitosis. Green tea is traditionally

consumed

> after a meal to leave the mouth feeling fresh and

clean.

> It is currently being studied to see if it will help

prevent

> osteoporosis.

>

> Green tea is also used topically and in this case is

> known as a styptic, which helps stop bleeding when

> applied topically. It has been used lukewarm on

> open wounds, acne, athlete's feet, and sunburn, and

> appears to protect the skin from damage from

ultraviolet

> radiation exposure. Researchers are not yet sure

why

> this works but think it may be due to its

antioxidant activity.

>

> Excessive use of green tea can cause nervous

> irritability and irritate ulcers, and those with

> hypertension and insomnia should consider avoiding

it.

>

> With so many health benefits, it would be wise

> for more Americans to consider switching from

> coffee to tea.

>

> I also have acquired several links to further your

> research on the subject of Green Tea. You will

> find those listed below.

>

> Keep a smile on your face, love in your heart and

walk with

> the angels.holding hands in the " chain of love " ...

>

>

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In a message dated 2/16/02 5:41:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, sunshinedotson@... writes:

Debby,

I thought any kind of herbal stuff isn't good for the liver? Green Tea is an herbal drink right?

I don't think that ALL herbal material is necessarily bad for the liver. The big problem is that no one knows how most herbal concoctions affect the liver, or what strength they may be, or even what they may really contain.

I haven't heard of plain tea, black or green, being bad for the liver, although I guess they might be. Tea's track record is fairly well established, so it's pretty low on my personal list of things to avoid. You could say that thyme, rosemary, basil, and such are herbal!

Harper

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In a message dated 2/16/02 6:15:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, sunshinedotson@... writes:

OH! just too many things to conquer at once! LOL.....I will have to use 10 times more humor to get through this *! & *#*$! LOL!

HUGS...

Bert. : )

But Bert, wouldn't that be called excessive use of a supplement? A mega-dose? Is humor processed through the liver?

Harper

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that thyme, rosemary, basil, and such are herbal! Yes...those are herbs that I have in my garden.....or maybe I should say HAD! We are babysitting our granddog this weekend, and I went out to clean the pool and noticed dirt all over the concrete! I KNEW who had done it (of course MY dog is an angel)....anyway the granddog ducked her head and took off the other way. I asked her where she left the plant...THINKING of course, that I could replant it. Won't happen. I found the poor thing floating in the pool...just less the dirt. All I could do was call my daughter and say, "DEAD DOG, DEAD DOG"!!! And to think that I paid $1.17 for that plant at WalMart yesterday! DARN DOG!

debby

Re: [ ] Green tea

In a message dated 2/16/02 5:41:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, sunshinedotson@... writes:

Debby, I thought any kind of herbal stuff isn't good for the liver? Green Tea is an herbal drink right?I don't think that ALL herbal material is necessarily bad for the liver. The big problem is that no one knows how most herbal concoctions affect the liver, or what strength they may be, or even what they may really contain. I haven't heard of plain tea, black or green, being bad for the liver, although I guess they might be. Tea's track record is fairly well established, so it's pretty low on my personal list of things to avoid. You could say that thyme, rosemary, basil, and such are herbal! Harper

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Again, there are different positions on this I'm sure! But the transplant clinic I go to said "no" to green tea and milk thistle, but I'm not sure if that is because I am on the list already or not. I can't remember the 'why" since I'd never had any before but I do remember them being quite adamant.

Amy

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Hi All,

These herbs can damage your liver. I have heard that if anyone chooses to take herbs, the docs can take you off the list. They feel if you are willing to take a risk because of choice. Why should the docs care for you? It is so hard to find a liver the docs would feel that liver should go to someone really wanting a new liver. And with the new rules recently made makes it harder.

Again, there are different positions on this I'm sure! But the transplant clinic I go to said "no" to green tea and milk thistle, but I'm not sure if that is because I am on the list already or not. I can't remember the 'why" since I'd never had any before but I do remember them being quite adamant.

gayle/trans.6-99

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