Can long car ride cause a herx?

[Guest guest]

I was just wondering if a long car ride can cause you to herx really

bad. I went to see my LLMD for the first time several weeks a go and

got really sick on the way home. I didn't feel real good on the ride

there either, but REALLY sick on the ride home. I thought I was going

to have to go to an emergency room. It felt like a really bad herx.

The drive was 8 hours one way. We left on a Wed. and came back on a

Thurs. My husband drove.

Some times the movement in the car makes me fell light headed and

dizzy. So I don't know if that was it, or if it was the long drive.

Has anyone else gotten sick from driving in the car?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

yes kathy...i have had this happen now for years.it seems a bit easier to deal

with if i am driving...however i really get ill apoun reaching the

destination.i have panic attacks and fears of getting really sick that stop me

from taking long car trips.my first exsprience with this was as a youth riding

the school bus.i cannot look down or around while riding in a car.I cannot read

or eat as we travel along.I have to wear my sunglasses constantly when in the

car as the bright sun light can trigger a headache and nausa ...I think these

are all from a type of herx...sensitivity to sight, sound, movements, and oders

are all some of my nightmare story!

--- " Kathy " <aiden424@...> wrote:,

From: " Kathy " <aiden424@...>

Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:58:54 -0000

Subject: [ ] Can long car ride cause a herx?

I was just wondering if a long car ride can cause you to herx

really

bad. I went to see my LLMD for the first time several weeks a

go and

got really sick on the way home. I didn't feel real good on

the ride

there either, but REALLY sick on the ride home. I thought I

was going

to have to go to an emergency room. It felt like a really bad

herx.

The drive was 8 hours one way. We left on a Wed. and came back

on a

Thurs. My husband drove.

Some times the movement in the car makes me fell light headed

and

dizzy. So I don't know if that was it, or if it was the long

drive.

Has anyone else gotten sick from driving in the car?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

It is quite possible you simply felt worse due to exertion, not a herx

caused by die off of spirochetes.

Remember: Every time we feel bad, even if on antibiotics, is not always a

Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction. Often times, especially if after we've done

something strenuous, we simply feel sick because our bodies are ill.

Car rides, traveling to someplace different, sleeping in a different bed (if

one can manage to sleep) can all cause stress that our bodies react to.

Sick bodies have a harder time dealing with stress and physical symptoms are

often the result.

=)

Robynn

[ ] Can long car ride cause a herx?

I was just wondering if a long car ride can cause you to herx really

bad. I went to see my LLMD for the first time several weeks a go and

got really sick on the way home. I didn't feel real good on the ride

there either, but REALLY sick on the ride home. I thought I was going

to have to go to an emergency room. It felt like a really bad herx.

The drive was 8 hours one way. We left on a Wed. and came back on a

Thurs. My husband drove.

Some times the movement in the car makes me fell light headed and

dizzy. So I don't know if that was it, or if it was the long drive.

Has anyone else gotten sick from driving in the car?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

the car sickness may be from the lyme involment of the middle ear....and we all

know the ears and eye work together.....

eric

elizabethtbd@... wrote:

yes kathy...i have had this happen now for years.it seems a bit easier to deal

with if i am driving...however i really get ill apoun reaching the

destination.i have panic attacks and fears of getting really sick that stop me

from taking long car trips.my first exsprience with this was as a youth riding

the school bus.i cannot look down or around while riding in a car.I cannot read

or eat as we travel along.I have to wear my sunglasses constantly when in the

car as the bright sun light can trigger a headache and nausa ...I think these

are all from a type of herx...sensitivity to sight, sound, movements, and oders

are all some of my nightmare story!

[Guest guest]

Traveling by car is the WORST for me.. And it has nothing to do with herxing

.. When I made the trek from NJ to SC which took us 13 hours I was sick for 2

weeks and I thought I was going to die. The day we got here I slept for like

5 hours when I woke up I was literally crying and screaming in pain, I felt

like someone was sticking me with broken glass shards all over my body.....

When I asked my LLMD at the time why did that happen she said because of my

illness a car ride like that though it was 13 hours my body see's as if I

was riding in a car for 2 weeks.

Then I had a 9 hour car ride home from florida 3 years ago and I was so

sick that on the 4th day I was home I wound up in the emergency room.. And

this was just from a 9 hour car ride..

We are planning on moving back north sometime this year to PA and it hasn

t even happened yet and all ready I am a nervous wreck just at the THOUGHT

of the car ride..

Robyn

[Guest guest]

As a child I got very car sick. Mostly just very sick to my

stomach. This time it wasn't my stomach, all my lyme symptoms

increased. I felt really sick.

Kathy

> yes kathy...i have had this happen now for years.it seems a bit

easier to deal with if i am driving...however i really get ill apoun

reaching the destination.i have panic attacks and fears of getting

really sick that stop me from taking long car trips.my first

exsprience with this was as a youth riding the school bus.i cannot

look down or around while riding in a car.I cannot read or eat as we

travel along.I have to wear my sunglasses constantly when in the car

as the bright sun light can trigger a headache and nausa ...I think

these are all from a type of herx...sensitivity to sight, sound,

movements, and oders are all some of my nightmare story!

>

[Guest guest]

Your right, the trip was exhausting. I didn't sleep well and we

went out for supper the night we got there. I did more then I

usually do and on top of that I didn't sleep well.

I also get really light headed and my head feels like it's swirling

on even short car rides. It was just to much. I think I get severe

motion sickness.

Kathy

>

> Kathy,

>

> It is quite possible you simply felt worse due to exertion, not a

herx

> caused by die off of spirochetes.

>

> Remember: Every time we feel bad, even if on antibiotics, is not

always a

> Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction. Often times, especially if after

we've done

> something strenuous, we simply feel sick because our bodies are

ill.

>

> Car rides, traveling to someplace different, sleeping in a

different bed (if

> one can manage to sleep) can all cause stress that our bodies

react to.

> Sick bodies have a harder time dealing with stress and physical

symptoms are

> often the result.

>

> =)

> Robynn

>

>

> [ ] Can long car ride cause a herx?

>

>

> I was just wondering if a long car ride can cause you to herx

really

> bad. I went to see my LLMD for the first time several weeks a go

and

> got really sick on the way home. I didn't feel real good on the

ride

> there either, but REALLY sick on the ride home. I thought I was

going

> to have to go to an emergency room. It felt like a really bad

herx.

> The drive was 8 hours one way. We left on a Wed. and came back on

a

> Thurs. My husband drove.

>

> Some times the movement in the car makes me fell light headed and

> dizzy. So I don't know if that was it, or if it was the long

drive.

>

> Has anyone else gotten sick from driving in the car?

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Robyn,

I don't blame you for being nervous. I know I'm not looking

forward to anymore long trips!! Hope yours goes goes well.

Kathy

>

> Traveling by car is the WORST for me.. And it has nothing to do

with herxing

> . When I made the trek from NJ to SC which took us 13 hours I was

sick for 2

> weeks and I thought I was going to die. The day we got here I

slept for like

> 5 hours when I woke up I was literally crying and screaming in

pain, I felt

> like someone was sticking me with broken glass shards all over my

body.....

> When I asked my LLMD at the time why did that happen she said

because of my

> illness a car ride like that though it was 13 hours my body see's

as if I

> was riding in a car for 2 weeks.

>

> Then I had a 9 hour car ride home from florida 3 years ago and

I was so

> sick that on the 4th day I was home I wound up in the emergency

room.. And

> this was just from a 9 hour car ride..

>

> We are planning on moving back north sometime this year to PA

and it hasn

> t even happened yet and all ready I am a nervous wreck just at the

THOUGHT

> of the car ride..

>

> Robyn

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

The " simple " act of watching items on the side of the road move past your

eyes at 60 miles an hour can have a huge effect on the brain. That is a lot

of stimuli that most of us don't get following our normal routines around

the house. Not to mention the cars.

Did you ever tense up when you thought maybe a car was getting too close?

Maybe you did but didn't notice because it becomes part of our normal

driving pattern/routine. This can cause the muscles to be used and dump

normal toxins into our bodies. Then our bodies have to work a little extra

hard to remove those natural by products of life.

I still have days, like when I have a migraine, that car riding is not an

option. For me it is just too much information for my brain to process

until I'm feeling better again. I still remember the days when I felt just

fine but couldn't go fifteen minutes in a car without feeling like I was

going to throw up or pass out or both.

Even though the result is every Lyme symptom flaring up, it is far more

likely to be a flare-up and not a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction.

=)

Robynn

[ ] Re: Can long car ride cause a herx?

Your right, the trip was exhausting. I didn't sleep well and we

went out for supper the night we got there. I did more then I

usually do and on top of that I didn't sleep well.

I also get really light headed and my head feels like it's swirling

on even short car rides. It was just to much. I think I get severe

motion sickness.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Yeah it is likely that it is symptoms flaring up. It's also

happened when I've gone fishing with my husband. The movement of

the boat makes me sick too, really dizzy, light headed and a really

foggy head.

Is there anything I can do when I need to travel to keep symptoms

from flaring?

Kathy

>

> Kathy,

>

> The " simple " act of watching items on the side of the road move

past your

> eyes at 60 miles an hour can have a huge effect on the brain.

That is a lot

> of stimuli that most of us don't get following our normal routines

around

> the house. Not to mention the cars.

>

> Did you ever tense up when you thought maybe a car was getting too

close?

> Maybe you did but didn't notice because it becomes part of our

normal

> driving pattern/routine. This can cause the muscles to be used

and dump

> normal toxins into our bodies. Then our bodies have to work a

little extra

> hard to remove those natural by products of life.

>

> I still have days, like when I have a migraine, that car riding is

not an

> option. For me it is just too much information for my brain to

process

> until I'm feeling better again. I still remember the days when I

felt just

> fine but couldn't go fifteen minutes in a car without feeling like

I was

> going to throw up or pass out or both.

>

> Even though the result is every Lyme symptom flaring up, it is far

more

> likely to be a flare-up and not a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction.

>

> =)

> Robynn

>

>

> [ ] Re: Can long car ride cause a herx?

>

>

>

> Your right, the trip was exhausting. I didn't sleep well and we

> went out for supper the night we got there. I did more then I

> usually do and on top of that I didn't sleep well.

>

> I also get really light headed and my head feels like it's swirling

> on even short car rides. It was just to much. I think I get severe

> motion sickness.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

I wish I had an answer to that one.. When we move back north again I plan on

sedating myself with Ativan for the entire ride. I am PRAYING that will help

..

Robyn

-- [ ] Re: Can long car ride cause a herx?

Yeah it is likely that it is symptoms flaring up. It's also

happened when I've gone fishing with my husband. The movement of

the boat makes me sick too, really dizzy, light headed and a really

foggy head.

Is there anything I can do when I need to travel to keep symptoms

from flaring?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Kathy,

> >

> > The " simple " act of watching items on the side of the road move

> past your

> > eyes at 60 miles an hour can have a huge effect on the brain.

> That is a lot

> > of stimuli that most of us don't get following our normal routines

> around

> > the house. Not to mention the cars.

> >

> > Did you ever tense up when you thought maybe a car was getting too

> close?

> > Maybe you did but didn't notice because it becomes part of our

> normal

> > driving pattern/routine. This can cause the muscles to be used

> and dump

> > normal toxins into our bodies. Then our bodies have to work a

> little extra

> > hard to remove those natural by products of life.

> >

> > I still have days, like when I have a migraine, that car riding is

> not an

> > option. For me it is just too much information for my brain to

> process

> > until I'm feeling better again. I still remember the days when I

> felt just

> > fine but couldn't go fifteen minutes in a car without feeling like

> I was

> > going to throw up or pass out or both.

> >

> > Even though the result is every Lyme symptom flaring up, it is far

> more

> > likely to be a flare-up and not a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction.

> >

> > =)

> > Robynn

> >

> >

> > [ ] Re: Can long car ride cause a herx?

> >

> >

> >

> > Your right, the trip was exhausting. I didn't sleep well and we

> > went out for supper the night we got there. I did more then I

> > usually do and on top of that I didn't sleep well.

> >

> > I also get really light headed and my head feels like it's swirling

> > on even short car rides. It was just to much. I think I get severe

> > motion sickness.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Maybe something for motion sickness? Ask your doctor. There may be

something over the counter or a prescription that would help.

=)

Robynn

[ ] Re: Can long car ride cause a herx?

Yeah it is likely that it is symptoms flaring up. It's also

happened when I've gone fishing with my husband. The movement of

the boat makes me sick too, really dizzy, light headed and a really

foggy head.

Is there anything I can do when I need to travel to keep symptoms

from flaring?

Kathy

>

> Kathy,

>

> The " simple " act of watching items on the side of the road move

past your

> eyes at 60 miles an hour can have a huge effect on the brain.

That is a lot

> of stimuli that most of us don't get following our normal routines

around

> the house. Not to mention the cars.

>

> Did you ever tense up when you thought maybe a car was getting too

close?

> Maybe you did but didn't notice because it becomes part of our

normal

> driving pattern/routine. This can cause the muscles to be used

and dump

> normal toxins into our bodies. Then our bodies have to work a

little extra

> hard to remove those natural by products of life.

>

> I still have days, like when I have a migraine, that car riding is

not an

> option. For me it is just too much information for my brain to

process

> until I'm feeling better again. I still remember the days when I

felt just

> fine but couldn't go fifteen minutes in a car without feeling like

I was

> going to throw up or pass out or both.

>

> Even though the result is every Lyme symptom flaring up, it is far

more

> likely to be a flare-up and not a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction.

>

> =)

> Robynn

>

[Guest guest]

I ended up getting so sick that I had to lay down in the back seat

for most of the ride home. My husband did all the driving. It

wasn't much fun!!

Kathy

> > >

> > > Kathy,

> > >

> > > The " simple " act of watching items on the side of the road

move

> > past your

> > > eyes at 60 miles an hour can have a huge effect on the brain.

> > That is a lot

> > > of stimuli that most of us don't get following our normal

routines

> > around

> > > the house. Not to mention the cars.

> > >

> > > Did you ever tense up when you thought maybe a car was getting

too

> > close?

> > > Maybe you did but didn't notice because it becomes part of our

> > normal

> > > driving pattern/routine. This can cause the muscles to be

used

> > and dump

> > > normal toxins into our bodies. Then our bodies have to work a

> > little extra

> > > hard to remove those natural by products of life.

> > >

> > > I still have days, like when I have a migraine, that car

riding is

> > not an

> > > option. For me it is just too much information for my brain

to

> > process

> > > until I'm feeling better again. I still remember the days

when I

> > felt just

> > > fine but couldn't go fifteen minutes in a car without feeling

like

> > I was

> > > going to throw up or pass out or both.

> > >

> > > Even though the result is every Lyme symptom flaring up, it is

far

> > more

> > > likely to be a flare-up and not a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction.

> > >

> > > =)

> > > Robynn

> > >

> > >

> > > [ ] Re: Can long car ride cause a herx?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your right, the trip was exhausting. I didn't sleep well and

we

> > > went out for supper the night we got there. I did more then I

> > > usually do and on top of that I didn't sleep well.

> > >

> > > I also get really light headed and my head feels like it's

swirling

> > > on even short car rides. It was just to much. I think I get

severe

> > > motion sickness.

> > >

> > > Kathy

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Let me know if that helps!!

Kathy

>

> I wish I had an answer to that one.. When we move back north again

I plan on

> sedating myself with Ativan for the entire ride. I am PRAYING that

will help

> .

>

> Robyn

>

>

>

> -- [ ] Re: Can long car ride cause a herx?

> Yeah it is likely that it is symptoms flaring up. It's also

> happened when I've gone fishing with my husband. The movement of

> the boat makes me sick too, really dizzy, light headed and a really

> foggy head.

>

> Is there anything I can do when I need to travel to keep symptoms

> from flaring?

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

That's what my husband had suggested. I'm so drug sensitive now

that I was scared it would make me worse. I did take it when I was

younger and was fine on it. Two of my kids took it also because

they got really car sick too when they were young.

Thanks,

Kathy

> >

> > Kathy,

> >

> > The " simple " act of watching items on the side of the road move

> past your

> > eyes at 60 miles an hour can have a huge effect on the brain.

> That is a lot

> > of stimuli that most of us don't get following our normal

routines

> around

> > the house. Not to mention the cars.

> >

> > Did you ever tense up when you thought maybe a car was getting

too

> close?

> > Maybe you did but didn't notice because it becomes part of our

> normal

> > driving pattern/routine. This can cause the muscles to be used

> and dump

> > normal toxins into our bodies. Then our bodies have to work a

> little extra

> > hard to remove those natural by products of life.

> >

> > I still have days, like when I have a migraine, that car riding

is

> not an

> > option. For me it is just too much information for my brain to

> process

> > until I'm feeling better again. I still remember the days when I

> felt just

> > fine but couldn't go fifteen minutes in a car without feeling

like

> I was

> > going to throw up or pass out or both.

> >

> > Even though the result is every Lyme symptom flaring up, it is

far

> more

> > likely to be a flare-up and not a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction.

> >

> > =)

> > Robynn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

I can empathize with you about the nausea. My lyme causes this and

dizziness which comes and goes. I've found that compazine helps me

be able to be upright and function better. I tried dramamine and it

made me sicker and I tried phenergan and it put me to sleep. There

are some other ones which are prescription that you can get. Good

luck.

cooky

> > yes kathy...i have had this happen now for years.it seems a

bit

> easier to deal with if i am driving...however i really get ill

apoun

> reaching the destination.i have panic attacks and fears of getting

> really sick that stop me from taking long car trips.my first

> exsprience with this was as a youth riding the school bus.i cannot

> look down or around while riding in a car.I cannot read or eat as

we

> travel along.I have to wear my sunglasses constantly when in the

car

> as the bright sun light can trigger a headache and nausa ...I

think

> these are all from a type of herx...sensitivity to sight, sound,

> movements, and oders are all some of my nightmare story!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had trouble with getting very tense in the car, no matter who was

driving---it was like a panic attack every time we got into normal

traffic. It's better, now, but it was tough at the time--on me and

on my poor husband! I don't know what caused it--it must have

been faulty processing .

:

> Did you ever tense up when you thought maybe a car was getting too

> close?

> Maybe you did but didn't notice because it becomes part of our normal

> driving pattern/routine. This can cause the muscles to be used and

> dump

> normal toxins into our bodies. Then our bodies have to work a

> little extra

> hard to remove those natural by products of life.

[Guest guest]

-Thanks Cooky!! Even the phenergan that puts you to sleep would be

better then being so sick on long trips. I've taken dramamine and

was ok, but that was before lyme. Maybe I'll try compazine. Thamks

for the info!!

Kathy

> Hi Kathy,

> I can empathize with you about the nausea. My lyme causes this

and

> dizziness which comes and goes. I've found that compazine helps

me

> be able to be upright and function better. I tried dramamine and

it

> made me sicker and I tried phenergan and it put me to sleep.

There

> are some other ones which are prescription that you can get. Good

> luck.

> cooky

>

>

> > > yes kathy...i have had this happen now for years.it seems a

> bit

> > easier to deal with if i am driving...however i really get ill

> apoun

> > reaching the destination.i have panic attacks and fears of

getting

> > really sick that stop me from taking long car trips.my first

> > exsprience with this was as a youth riding the school bus.i

cannot

> > look down or around while riding in a car.I cannot read or eat

as

> we

> > travel along.I have to wear my sunglasses constantly when in the

> car

> > as the bright sun light can trigger a headache and nausa ...I

> think

> > these are all from a type of herx...sensitivity to sight, sound,

> > movements, and oders are all some of my nightmare story!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My husband didn't get sick, just me. I felt better when I layed down.

Kathy

>

>

>

> Maybe if there was a carbon monoxide leak from an old muffler

system,

> maybe carbon monoxide kills lyme.........LOL...not a good thing to

try

> though seeing as it can kill you.

>

[Guest guest]

I was just the opposite with the meds. I had to stop Compazine immediately,

really dizzy & out of it as I recall. I now take Phenergan in addition to

Vicoprofen for bad headaches + nausea & I function fine (well, as much as bad

headache allows!!). Studies have shown that docs are having a lot of luck with

Phenergan for migraines-just an FYI.

Interesting how the meds affect us all differently. Good luck!

Jeannie

> I can empathize with you about the nausea. My lyme causes this and >

dizziness which comes and goes. I've found that compazine helps me > be able to

be upright and function better. I tried dramamine and it made me sicker and I

tried phenergan and it put me to sleep.

> cooky

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