Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Hi everyone, I'm coming in a little late on this discussion. I'm a little backed up on my daily digests.... but if polio is caused by ddt, then how come there have been cases caused by the vaccine? Just curious, and sorry if this has already been addressed. > > > > > > polio is a scam. ddt was the cause of the so called " polio " symptoms. > > > > >So what about polio still occuring in some third world countries like > >Africa & India? Are they using DDT extensively or bug sprays? > > > Yes, using DDT and other toxic pesticides. > Sheri > > > >Katarina > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 At 07:24 PM 1/10/2009, you wrote: >Hi everyone, I'm coming in a little late on this discussion. I'm a >little backed up on my daily digests.... but if polio is caused by >ddt, then how come there have been cases caused by the vaccine? Just >curious, and sorry if this has already been addressed. DDT and other toxic poisonings................... What is put into the vaccine is terrifying. We don't have all the answers because the research has never been done Read those links I have sent and you will start to see. Sheri > > > > > > > > > polio is a scam. ddt was the cause of the so called " polio " >symptoms. > > > > > > >So what about polio still occuring in some third world countries >like > > >Africa & India? Are they using DDT extensively or bug sprays? > > > > > > Yes, using DDT and other toxic pesticides. > > Sheri > > > > > > >Katarina > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 My cynical opinion is that they diagnose what they want to diagnose. If an area resists a particular vaccine, they " find " outbreaks. Polio myelitis means inflammation of the spinal cord. Something in the vaccine can cause that. Does it have to be a " polio virus? " I found this timeline interesting from the WHO website (http://www.polioeradication.org/history.asp) My comments are in caps: 1840 Dr. von Heine conducts the first systematic investigation of poliomyelitis, for the first time developing the theory that the disease may be contagious. Von Heine's treatments are used well into the 20th century. FIRST INVESTIGATION...MAY BE CONTAGIOUS 1789 Dr. Underwood, a British physician, attempts the first known clinical description of polio, entitled Debility of the Lower Extremities. ATTEMPTS--THERE WASN'T ONE BEFORE? 1580-1350 An Egyptian stele portraying a priest with a withered leg, leaning on a staff, suggests that polio has been endemic for thousands of years. THIS IS NOT SCIENCE. DID POLIO SPRING UP OUT OF THE BLUE 200 YEARS LATER ? Winnie Re: Re: polio Vaccinations > At 07:24 PM 1/10/2009, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, I'm coming in a little late on this discussion. > I'm a > >little backed up on my daily digests.... but if polio is caused by > >ddt, then how come there have been cases caused by the vaccine? > Just > >curious, and sorry if this has already been addressed. > > > DDT and other toxic poisonings................... > What is put into the vaccine is terrifying. > We don't have all the answers because the research has never > been done > Read those links I have sent and you will start to see. > Sheri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > polio is a scam. ddt was the cause of the so called " polio " > >symptoms. > > > > > > > > >So what about polio still occuring in some third world countries > >like > > > >Africa & India? Are they using DDT extensively or bug sprays? > > > > > > > > > Yes, using DDT and other toxic pesticides. > > > Sheri > > > > > > > > > >Katarina > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Oops - should have revised that - I met with her last fall in UK. We had a great conversation. Sheri At 08:08 PM 1/10/2009, you wrote: >Hey Sheri, >My husband has just finished this book as well...I just read him your post & >he's so jealous that he can't come to your meeting with her! I said, " Honey, >they are in the UK I believe " . He said, " Oh, yeah I should have known that! " >So pick her brain & pass along the info! >Regards, > >North Haledon, NJ >**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http:/\ /www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De >cemailfooterNO62) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 A few quotes from Underwood. A treatise on the diseases of children. " It is not a common disorder " " It seems to arise from debility, and usually attacks children previously reduced by fever; seldom those under one or more than four or five years old. " " I have seen a similar debility seize grown people, especially women, after some very long illness. "   " The first thing observed is a debility of the lower extremities, which gradually become more infirm, and after a few weeks are unable to support the body. " Note these people were sick before the onset of disability. All the old books talk of polio in children between the age of 6 months and five years. If you think in terms of sanitation and nutrition or rather lack of both, it isn't surprising that the illness was in the babies. Now Salk did his experiment in 1954. The age group he selected was 6 and up. What does that tell you? The above information came from a book written by The National foundation who financed Salk and his vaccine. Jim ________________________________ From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...> Vaccinations Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:23:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: polio My cynical opinion is that they diagnose what they want to diagnose. If an area resists a particular vaccine, they " find " outbreaks. Polio myelitis means inflammation of the spinal cord. Something in the vaccine can cause that. Does it have to be a " polio virus? " I found this timeline interesting from the WHO website (http://www.polioera dication. org/history. asp) My comments are in caps: 1840 Dr. von Heine conducts the first systematic investigation of poliomyelitis, for the first time developing the theory that the disease may be contagious. Von Heine's treatments are used well into the 20th century. FIRST INVESTIGATION. ..MAY BE CONTAGIOUS 1789 Dr. Underwood, a British physician, attempts the first known clinical description of polio, entitled Debility of the Lower Extremities. ATTEMPTS--THERE WASN'T ONE BEFORE? 1580-1350 An Egyptian stele portraying a priest with a withered leg, leaning on a staff, suggests that polio has been endemic for thousands of years. THIS IS NOT SCIENCE. DID POLIO SPRING UP OUT OF THE BLUE 200 YEARS LATER ? Winnie Re: Re: polio Vaccinations > At 07:24 PM 1/10/2009, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, I'm coming in a little late on this discussion. > I'm a > >little backed up on my daily digests.... but if polio is caused by > >ddt, then how come there have been cases caused by the vaccine? > Just > >curious, and sorry if this has already been addressed. > > > DDT and other toxic poisonings.. ......... ........ > What is put into the vaccine is terrifying. > We don't have all the answers because the research has never > been done > Read those links I have sent and you will start to see. > Sheri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > polio is a scam. ddt was the cause of the so called " polio " > >symptoms. > > > > > > > > >So what about polio still occuring in some third world countries > >like > > > >Africa & India? Are they using DDT extensively or bug sprays? > > > > > > > > > Yes, using DDT and other toxic pesticides. > > > Sheri > > > > > > > > > >Katarina > > > > > > > > > > > >----------- --------- --------- ------- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 At 05:03 AM 1/11/2009, Jim O wrote: >I am quite sure that it is possible for DDT to poison the body, to >make it sick or even paralyze it. But I have a doubt that DDT caused >every case of polio or the spraying of fruit trees with arsenic. >First these sprays and DDT were used extensively all over the U.S. >They even sprayed the city of Chicago with DDT hoping to kill their >polio virus in the fifties. On the other hand there were so few >cases of paralytic polio in the first place that you would think >there would be a lot more cases if DDT and arsenic were the main >cause. In the worst year which was 1952 they reported 21,269 cases >of paralytic polio. I can't exactly remember but I think there were >about three hundred million people in this country. If we just take >10% and say they ate poisoned fruit and were around other toxic >chemicals, that would be thirty million people who would be subject >to paralytic polio.. If only 21,000 had the condition I think that >would make a strong > argument against the DDT and other poisons . Because the question > would be why didn't more people who ate the fruits or were > contaminated with other toxic chemicals get it. Now you can add all > the other toxic poisons that people were subjected to and that > weakens the case even more. There is susceptibility - not all exposed become ill - some can handle and excrete Please review Jim West's pages - key here was dairy cows and farms sprayed with DDT and infants and children getting milk heavily laden http://www.wellwithin1.com/PolioJimWest.htm And yes of course there are other toxic things - beginning use of vaccines on a wider scale Please review those pages and those that argued the case for polio not be infectious >On a personal note during that time, there was no panic from >my neighborhood parents about polio. I remember some one saying not >to go swimming in lake Michigan, but the lake was always filled with >swimmers. As far as spraying the fruit trees my friends and >neighbors and I always ate from these trees and never washed the >fruit. The point is my Uncle always sprayed the trees out of the >back of his pickup truck. I don't even remember any one wearing a >mask of any kind. I asked my older brother what he and my uncle >were using in that spray and he said it was arsenic. I also attended >four schools during the fifties: one being in California, a school >of 3000 and only recall one girl with a whithered leg. I never met anyone with polio and was born in 1950 My mom cared for children in the hospitals in the 40's as a peds nurse. But no one was panicking when I grew up either. And just because you don't react to pesticides doesn't mean another won't. Like vaccines - not all children show injury right away Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers & Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in January 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 This thread is very interesting to me... thanks for all the info, Jim. I need to sit and have a talk with my mother. She had polio when she was two - she was born in 1945. She grew up very poor in rural Idaho, on a sugar beet plantation. Lots of pesticides... but they also did not have any running water and used outhouses as no indoor plumbing... bathed only once a week and every person in the house shared the same bath water, etc. From conversations of the past, her nutrition was not exactly adequate, either. I'd be interested to know if she was ill prior to contracting polio. I know she contributes the lack of sanitation as the cause. The family doc visited the home secretly and diagnosed my mom. When it was determined that she had polio, my grandmother sat my mom down and had a talk with her. She was instructed never to use the " P " word so that she would not be treated like a leper. My grandmother took on the responsibility for all of my mother's rehab, as she did not want anyone knowing the polio diagnosis. Clearly, my grandmother knew the disease was not contagious, but in that day it was the equivalent of being diagnosed with AIDS during the 80's - you were casted out. My mom attended church, went on outings, etc. No other person in her family contracted polio, except for an uncle that my mother had no contact with, no friends or townspeople that were exposed to my mom contracted it either. Mom was the first of five siblings, and I believe her younger brother was an infant when she got the polio diagnosis, so if it were " contagious " , certainly her brother or a family member would have " gotten it " too. My grandmother died before I was born, so I don't have her as a source of information, unfortunately. My gut says " Polio " can't be blamed on any one thing, and that it wasn't a real disease... like others have theorized, it is a blanket term they use for many conditions, as they see fit. Some conditions were severe, requiring iron lungs and causing paralysis (mom was paralyzed from the waist down, did not require an iron lung), others were mild, only exibiting " cold-like symptoms " (how did they know someone had " polio " rather than a cold then?). On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote: > A few quotes from Underwood. A treatise on the diseases of children. > " It is not a common disorder " > " It seems to arise from debility, and usually attacks children previously > reduced by fever; seldom those under one or more than four or five years > old. " > " I have seen a similar debility seize grown people, especially women, after > some very long illness. " " The first thing observed is a debility of the > lower extremities, which gradually become more infirm, and after a few > weeks are unable to support the body. " > > Note these people were sick before the onset of disability. All the old > books talk of polio in children between the age of 6 months and five years. > If you think in terms of sanitation and nutrition or rather lack of both, it > isn't surprising that the illness was in the babies. Now Salk did his > experiment in 1954. The age group he selected was 6 and up. What does that > tell you? The above information came from a book written by The National > foundation who financed Salk and his vaccine. > > Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Hi I also had an outhouse and a pump outside for water. What we kids were fed would bring in CPS today. And your point is the basis for my belief that proof doesn't exist even if common sense tells us otherwise. This is why the enstein group fools the people all the time. Here are a few more quotes on causes and cures and theories for polio. Duchenne.. On atrophic paralysis of infancy and its local treatment with electricity. 1854. Vogt, W. It is pointed out that a paralytic disease occurs in adults which is wholly simiilar to infantile paralysis. 1858. Bierbaum, J. Compared the symptomatic type with idiopathic (unknown) paralysis. Hammond, W. A. Thinks there are two different diseases included under term infantile parlysis. One is slight and temporary in character, and almost always ends in complete recovery when treated with iron and strychnine. 1867. i, M.P. The auther points out that infantile paralysis illustrates the dependence of conspicuous external deformities on microscopic lesions of internal cells. She emphasizes also the relation of the anterior spinal nerve cells to the NUTRITION of muscles. 1874 , H. Streptococci of erysipelas on inoculation in rabbits produced progressive muscular atrophy with degeneration of cells in the anterior horns of the spinal cord. 1892 , H. Inoculation of a rabbit with typhoid bacilli was followed by acute anterior poliomyelitis. 1895. , R. Search for microbes should be made. 1899. , E.C. Author considered both lesions were due to same POISON, that of poliomyelitis. Batten, F.E. I trust I have given you grounds for considerating cases of acute encephalitis and acute poliomyelitis as clinically identical; pathologically they are identical. The more frequent recognition of these cases of encephalitis will explain many cases of so-called meningitis. 1902. Fedde, B.A. No germ has been isolated at autopsy. It is probably a general infection. Burnet, R. Disease seems to have advanced with increase in use moter cars.1911. Buzzard, E.F. Differentiate poliomyelitis from encephalitis. 1912. Manning, J.V. Believes that poliomylitis is transmited from man to man by the bite of a bedbug. 1912. Roseenau, M.J. Poliomyelitis transmitted by the biting fly. 1912. To be cont. I have to go get healthy now. Time for a good workout. Have a great day everyone. Jim  ________________________________ From: Roberg <trinnea@...> Vaccinations Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:59:05 AM Subject: Re: Re: polio This thread is very interesting to me... thanks for all the info, Jim. I need to sit and have a talk with my mother. She had polio when she was two - she was born in 1945. She grew up very poor in rural Idaho, on a sugar beet plantation. Lots of pesticides.. . but they also did not have any running water and used outhouses as no indoor plumbing... bathed only once a week and every person in the house shared the same bath water, etc. From conversations of the past, her nutrition was not exactly adequate, either. I'd be interested to know if she was ill prior to contracting polio. I know she contributes the lack of sanitation as the cause. The family doc visited the home secretly and diagnosed my mom. When it was determined that she had polio, my grandmother sat my mom down and had a talk with her. She was instructed never to use the " P " word so that she would not be treated like a leper. My grandmother took on the responsibility for all of my mother's rehab, as she did not want anyone knowing the polio diagnosis. Clearly, my grandmother knew the disease was not contagious, but in that day it was the equivalent of being diagnosed with AIDS during the 80's - you were casted out. My mom attended church, went on outings, etc. No other person in her family contracted polio, except for an uncle that my mother had no contact with, no friends or townspeople that were exposed to my mom contracted it either. Mom was the first of five siblings, and I believe her younger brother was an infant when she got the polio diagnosis, so if it were " contagious " , certainly her brother or a family member would have " gotten it " too. My grandmother died before I was born, so I don't have her as a source of information, unfortunately. My gut says " Polio " can't be blamed on any one thing, and that it wasn't a real disease... like others have theorized, it is a blanket term they use for many conditions, as they see fit. Some conditions were severe, requiring iron lungs and causing paralysis (mom was paralyzed from the waist down, did not require an iron lung), others were mild, only exibiting " cold-like symptoms " (how did they know someone had " polio " rather than a cold then?). On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote: > A few quotes from Underwood. A treatise on the diseases of children. > " It is not a common disorder " > " It seems to arise from debility, and usually attacks children previously > reduced by fever; seldom those under one or more than four or five years > old. " > " I have seen a similar debility seize grown people, especially women, after > some very long illness. " " The first thing observed is a debility of the > lower extremities, which gradually become more infirm, and after a few > weeks are unable to support the body. " > > Note these people were sick before the onset of disability. All the old > books talk of polio in children between the age of 6 months and five years. > If you think in terms of sanitation and nutrition or rather lack of both, it > isn't surprising that the illness was in the babies. Now Salk did his > experiment in 1954. The age group he selected was 6 and up. What does that > tell you? The above information came from a book written by The National > foundation who financed Salk and his vaccine. > > Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 That is actually where I was going in my head, logically.... my mom's family all lived the same as she, ate the same as she, and breathed the same air as she, lived on the same sugar beet plantation that she did, etc... that's why I'm wondering if she was ill before being dx'd w/ polio, and also wondering if she had taken any allopathic drugs prior to the dx. If any of the other factors were a true *cause* of " polio " , and if " polio " is so contagious, then surely other members of her family would have been stricken with it. That also makes me question the very existence of " polio " as a stand-alone disease. On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote: > Hi I also had an outhouse and a pump outside for water. What we kids were > fed > would bring in CPS today. And your point is the basis for my belief that > proof doesn't exist even if common sense tells us otherwise. This is why > the enstein group fools the people all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 The info I am giving on all those science guys, there were many who were convinced polio was not contagious. Sister Kenny proved(the books say) that paralysis was just a muscle weakness not viruses that the promoters (virologist) said were attacking the spine or brain, and couldn't agree how this ghost got there. The books say Sister Kenny never had a case of paralysis that wasn't " cured " with her method. There is soooo much to this deception of polio and vaccines. Jim ________________________________ From: Roberg <trinnea@...> Vaccinations Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:47:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: polio That is actually where I was going in my head, logically... . my mom's family all lived the same as she, ate the same as she, and breathed the same air as she, lived on the same sugar beet plantation that she did, etc... that's why I'm wondering if she was ill before being dx'd w/ polio, and also wondering if she had taken any allopathic drugs prior to the dx. If any of the other factors were a true *cause* of " polio " , and if " polio " is so contagious, then surely other members of her family would have been stricken with it. That also makes me question the very existence of " polio " as a stand-alone disease. On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote: > Hi I also had an outhouse and a pump outside for water. What we kids were > fed > would bring in CPS today. And your point is the basis for my belief that > proof doesn't exist even if common sense tells us otherwise. This is why > the enstein group fools the people all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 My husband has polio. He started LDN last week and noticed he slept much better from the the first night on. He uses oxygen at night. He has only half of each lung and gets short of breath when he lays down. He thinks he is sleeping better because he is breathing better. We also see slight improvement in muscle strength. Very positive first week. Polio is suppose to be caused by a virus, but there is a theory that the polio epidemic happened at the same time DDT was used. DDT caused lowered immunity and polio took advantage. I have no idea if that is true, but it is interesting that he is responding well. I wrote to Dr. McCandless and my husband is the first person with polio we know of to try LDN. Has anyone else heard of anyone with polio using LDN? Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:56:47 -0500, actgnvs <kdeboer@...> wrote:> My husband has polio. He started LDN last week and noticed he slept > much better from the the first night on. He uses oxygen at night. He has > only half of each lung and gets short of breath when he lays down. He > thinks he is sleeping better because he is breathing better.>> We also see slight improvement in muscle strength. Very positive first > week.>> Polio is suppose to be caused by a virus, but there is a theory that the > polio epidemic happened at the same time DDT was used. DDT caused > lowered immunity and polio took advantage. I have no idea if that is > true, but it is interesting that he is responding well. I wrote to Dr. > McCandless and my husband is the first person with polio we know of to > try LDN. Has anyone else heard of anyone with polio using LDN?>> KathyMy husband has post-polio syndrome and he's been on LDN for about a year and nine months. It has definitely helped slow the progression of his symptoms.I don't think he's the only one on it for post-polio. There's a list somewhere that I ran across that listed post-polio syndrome as one of the conditions LDN helps. I, not incidentally, am on it for Crohn's disease (and it has greatly helped my asthma and allergies as well.)n ______________________________A funny, touching gift book for cat lovers. Signed copies, free shipping (U.S., reduced elsewhere): Confessions of  a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addiction by n Van Til www.wordpowerpublishing.com  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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