Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Ack! Sorry for all the typos in my posts recently. I'm typing one-handed as my little one nurses. I need to remember to hit the spell checker more often. Again, so sorry. I cringe when I read my own post back to myself. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 At 05:27 PM 6/11/2008, you wrote: >I've been a member of this group since my daughter was born..13 >months ago and have found it to be immensely helpful as I made the >decision not to vaccinate. >All that said do other people on this list ever have fears re >surface? >I find that when I talk to friends and family I can all the sudden >question my judgement. >Just today I was talking on the phone with my sister in law who >lives in the Bay Area (I'm in Mt) Anyway, she told me she feels >compelled to vaccinate because of all the workers from other >countries.. She said " you know Polio is still a real concern if >people have it and they are working in the fields and then we're >eating the produce etc. " Polio has NEVER been contagious though everyone things that it is http://www.wellwithin1.com/PolioJimWest.htm can't vaccinate to prevent injury from toxic exposure send her those pages >She has a fair amount of intrepidation >over vaccinating.. she has an unvaxed 4 month old but she is going >to start the vaccines on a slower schedule. Invite her to this list. >She also asked me if I was going to feel comfortable traveling >internationally with my daughter. We have been on 4 flights with >her (stateside) she's only ever had a cold. I am pregnant again and >I'm blaming it on the increase of hormones but I'm all the sudden >feeling fearful all over again about my choice not to vaccinate. Blame it on the hormones. Start reading on my webpages and that will remind you http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm >As a side note.. I've had a nanny all year 1 day a week whom is 21 >never been vaccinated and is by all measures the healthiest person I >know. She recently interviewed for a job with a physical therapist >and his pharmacist wife who decided not to hire her after she >casually mentioned she hasn't been vaccinated.. they asked their >Pediatrician if it would be a risk to hire her to watch their 2 >vaccinated kids and the Ped said yes as vaccines don't provide 100 >percent immunity! It's an interesting battle.. I'm outspoken about >it but I feel like I'm in such a minority..I'm looking for >reassurance! >My nanny happened to tell this couple I didn't vaccinate my daughter >and they have now passed that info. on to a number of people- I'm >planning to do a religious exemption when my dd enters school but I >don't want her to feel isolated/alienated. People just can't mind their own business. Your daughter may be the only uninjured child at school and I guess that could be isolating. take a deep breath and keep reading Sheri listowner >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 We made our decision to stop vaccines 2 1/2 year ago and it has only been in the last 6 months that I stopped having doubts or fears resurface. The more I learn the more solid I feel about our decision. The thing that has impacted me the most is the knowledge that my children would be better off getting the disease than the vaccine. The only fear I have is the fear of what a vaccine would do to my child, and I don't have to worry about that because we are a 100% no vax family (even our pets!). As far as others finding out, I agree that the way the word was spread about you was unfortunate, but I am always happy to have people know because I have had a few come to me for more information. If I am only able to help one child avoid vaccines it is worth thousands of people knowing that we don't vax. Now that I know the truth for myself, my next goal is to help educate others. Marci **The best whole food vitamins http://www.shaklee.net/drhansen20 **I blog at http://drhansen20.blogspot.com** ** and at http://freeinfofriday.blogspot.com ** and at http://whychiropractic.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Yes, it's normal to have doubts resurface, especially if you're hormones are kicking into gear. It's good to rethink the vaccine issue because nothing is more important than your children's health. Give it a lot of thought--I've been researching this issue for 15 years and some people here have done it for much longer. It is so ingrained in us to trust our doctors and believe in vaccines. And we trust those around us, so naturally want to believe they're not ignorant about this. But they are. So, keep asking questions, researching and rethinking the issue so you won't be, too. Winnie Polio Vaccinations > I've been a member of this group since my daughter was born..13 > months ago and have found it to be immensely helpful as I made > the > decision not to vaccinate. > All that said do other people on this list ever have fears re > surface? > I find that when I talk to friends and family I can all the > sudden > question my judgement. > Just today I was talking on the phone with my sister in law who > lives in the Bay Area (I'm in Mt) Anyway, she told me she feels > compelled to vaccinate because of all the workers from other > countries.. She said " you know Polio is still a real concern if > people have it and they are working in the fields and then we're > eating the produce etc. " She has a fair amount of intrepidation > over vaccinating.. she has an unvaxed 4 month old but she is > going > to start the vaccines on a slower schedule. > She also asked me if I was going to feel comfortable traveling > internationally with my daughter. We have been on 4 flights > with > her (stateside) she's only ever had a cold. I am pregnant again > and > I'm blaming it on the increase of hormones but I'm all the > sudden > feeling fearful all over again about my choice not to vaccinate. > As a side note.. I've had a nanny all year 1 day a week whom is > 21 > never been vaccinated and is by all measures the healthiest > person I > know. She recently interviewed for a job with a physical > therapist > and his pharmacist wife who decided not to hire her after she > casually mentioned she hasn't been vaccinated.. they asked their > Pediatrician if it would be a risk to hire her to watch their 2 > vaccinated kids and the Ped said yes as vaccines don't provide > 100 > percent immunity! It's an interesting battle.. I'm outspoken > about > it but I feel like I'm in such a minority..I'm looking for > reassurance! > My nanny happened to tell this couple I didn't vaccinate my > daughter > and they have now passed that info. on to a number of people- > I'm > planning to do a religious exemption when my dd enters school > but I > don't want her to feel isolated/alienated. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I can tell you that my 3rd unvaccinated daughter just graduated high school and none of them have ever been isolated because of their non vaccinated status. I also have a 10 year old and a 3 year old. My 10 year old has not been isolated either. I would think that the risk of isolation would be greater if they were to be prone to illness or if they become autistic due to the vaccines! You have made a wise decision and though it is natural to doubt our choices, it always comes back to what is true for us and the truth is that vaccines are dangerous and do not provide the immunity that is promised. Mavis A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate. Jefferson, Rights of British America, 1774 _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _ (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm) _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_ (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html) _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _ (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm) _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ (http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm) _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_ (http://thinktwice.com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_ (http://909shot.com/) ----- Original Message ----- From: patriceparks Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:27 pm Subject: Polio _Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_ (mailto:Vaccinations ) > I've been a member of this group since my daughter was born..13 > months ago and have found it to be immensely helpful as I made > the > decision not to vaccinate. > All that said do other people on this list ever have fears re > surface? > I find that when I talk to friends and family I can all the > sudden > question my judgement. > Just today I was talking on the phone with my sister in law who > lives in the Bay Area (I'm in Mt) Anyway, she told me she feels > compelled to vaccinate because of all the workers from other > countries.. She said " you know Polio is still a real concern if > people have it and they are working in the fields and then we're > eating the produce etc. " She has a fair amount of intrepidation > over vaccinating. over vaccinating.<WBR>. she has an unva > going > to start the vaccines on a slower schedule. > She also asked me if I was going to feel comfortable traveling > internationally with my daughter. We have been on 4 flights > with > her (stateside) she's only ever had a cold. I am pregnant again > and > I'm blaming it on the increase of hormones but I'm all the > sudden > feeling fearful all over again about my choice not to vaccinate. > As a side note.. I've had a nanny all year 1 day a week whom is > 21 > never been vaccinated and is by all measures the healthiest > person I > know. She recently interviewed for a job with a physical > therapist > and his pharmacist wife who decided not to hire her after she > casually mentioned she hasn't been vaccinated.. they asked their > Pediatrician if it would be a risk to hire her to watch their 2 > vaccinated kids and the Ped said yes as vaccines don't provide > 100 > percent immunity! It's an interesting battle.. I'm outspoken > about > it but I feel like I'm in such a minority..I' it but I feel > reassurance! > My nanny happened to tell this couple I didn't vaccinate my > daughter > and they have now passed that info. on to a number of people- > I'm > planning to do a religious exemption when my dd enters school > but I > don't want her to feel isolated/alienated. > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Same here--four kids ages 9-18. Very social, no one brings up vaccines but me, and certainly not the kids. If you don't mention it, those who might isolate her won't know. I think this is more of a concern when your kids are younger. These things come up in conversation because it's new to parents. Once the kids are older, other issues get discussed. By then, you'll have many years of seeing that your decision was the right one and no one will be able to keep your mouth shut on it--like me! Winnie Polio > _Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_ > (mailto:Vaccinations ) > > > I've been a member of this group since my daughter was > born..13 > > months ago and have found it to be immensely helpful as I > made > > the > > decision not to vaccinate. > > All that said do other people on this list ever have fears re > > surface? > > I find that when I talk to friends and family I can all the > > sudden > > question my judgement. > > Just today I was talking on the phone with my sister in law > who > > lives in the Bay Area (I'm in Mt) Anyway, she told me she > feels > > compelled to vaccinate because of all the workers from other > > countries.. She said " you know Polio is still a real concern > if > > people have it and they are working in the fields and then > we're > > eating the produce etc. " She has a fair amount of > intrepidation > > over vaccinating. over vaccinating.. she has an unva > > going > > to start the vaccines on a slower schedule. > > She also asked me if I was going to feel comfortable > traveling > > internationally with my daughter. We have been on 4 flights > > with > > her (stateside) she's only ever had a cold. I am pregnant > again > > and > > I'm blaming it on the increase of hormones but I'm all the > > sudden > > feeling fearful all over again about my choice not to vaccinate. > > As a side note.. I've had a nanny all year 1 day a week whom > is > > 21 > > never been vaccinated and is by all measures the healthiest > > person I > > know. She recently interviewed for a job with a physical > > therapist > > and his pharmacist wife who decided not to hire her after she > > casually mentioned she hasn't been vaccinated.. they asked > their > > Pediatrician if it would be a risk to hire her to watch their > 2 > > vaccinated kids and the Ped said yes as vaccines don't > provide > > 100 > > percent immunity! It's an interesting battle.. I'm outspoken > > about > > it but I feel like I'm in such a minority..I' it but I feel > > reassurance! > > My nanny happened to tell this couple I didn't vaccinate my > > daughter > > and they have now passed that info. on to a number of people- > > I'm > > planning to do a religious exemption when my dd enters school > > but I > > don't want her to feel isolated/alienated. > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. > City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Haha! Love it - no one able to keep your mouth shut! Me too! I used to embarrass my kids and now I hear them educating others. Even the guy with the intellectual disability - if he's even offered sweets, he says, " No thanks, that's poisonous for me. " We home-schooled, but my nephews and nieces never kept quiet at high school. I thought my husband didn't really " hear " me, but he takes flu jab info to work and pins it on the notice board whenever there is an offer of free flu jabs. Now one of the nurses posts pro & con info with her notice! Operative word there is CON!!!! He also posted photos of a friend who got Guillain Barre after the flu jab. Hardly any one bothers any more. Let's hope that they will not bother offering them if there is a really small response. Like the ripples in a pool! Maracuja Join the Blue Ribbon Online Free Speech Campaign! Re: Polio Same here--four kids ages 9-18. Very social, no one brings up vaccines but me, and certainly not the kids. If you don't mention it, those who might isolate her won't know. I think this is more of a concern when your kids are younger. These things come up in conversation because it's new to parents. Once the kids are older, other issues get discussed. By then, you'll have many years of seeing that your decision was the right one and no one will be able to keep your mouth shut on it--like me! Winnie Recent Activity * 22 New MembersVisit Your Group Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Cat Groups on Share pictures & stories about cats. .. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Patrica, My daughter is also 13 months old and we stopped vaxing after the first 2 sets of shots. My husband and I are on board with this, along with our families but no one else is. I ALWAYS requestion myself if I'm doing the right thing by not vaxing. I am battling it today as a matter of fact. Just yesterday, I got a vax book my Neil in at the library that I work at and of course, it sparked controversy. Only my boss and a girl that just had a baby (which I have educated about the risks of vaxxing and she still insists on doing it selectively) know about my choices not to do it. When I got the book, the girl pulled another one out of her locker that she is reading. I can't remember the title off hand but I know she said it was one her PT recommended and it is more on the pro stance. Well, this older woman who works there (which, no matter what sickness are you having, have had, or deciding upon certain issues such as this, she ALWAYS thinks she knows everything and has had everything worse!) had to chime in that the people that don't vax their kids are stupid and they should never be allowed in schools because they are going to get everyone sick and start pandemics again. She also said that all of the vaccines nowadays are synthetically made. Can you believe it? First of all, NO they're not and why would that be better anyway? Yeah...more toxins in your body. Ahhh! I started to argue with her and try to educate her but then her face started turning red and she would not relent that she knew it all and I was dead wrong. So, I stopped and went back to my job. Well, after that incident, I questioned about what I was doing not vaxing. Was it the right thing to do? What happens if my daughter catches the measles...what do I do? Is she going to hate me when she gets older because I put her in some sort of awkward postition? But you know what, none of us have this supposed " immunity " either so we can catch anything at anytime. Vaxes wear off but leave the scars of the effects they had on your body forever. So you're not only NOT " protected " but now you are more at risk at developing horrible debilitating diseases thanks to them. I truly think that we will always worry and question if we did the right thing or not for the rest of our lives. But that's okay! Doesn't that go with the territory of having a child anyway? We will always worry about them no matter what they do or where they go. That's our jobs and we just have to stick together and stand tall in our decision and know that our children will thank us someday for allowing them to be healthy and keep their bodies the way that God intended them to be. So, if you have a day where you are questioning your decisions, know that we all have those days and it's okay! Just educate yourself and surround yourself with people that support you...this board is a good way to start! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: patriceparks > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:27 pm > Subject: Polio > _Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_ (mailto:Vaccinations ) > > > I've been a member of this group since my daughter was born..13 > > months ago and have found it to be immensely helpful as I made > > the > > decision not to vaccinate. > > All that said do other people on this list ever have fears re > > surface? > > I find that when I talk to friends and family I can all the > > sudden > > question my judgement. > > Just today I was talking on the phone with my sister in law who > > lives in the Bay Area (I'm in Mt) Anyway, she told me she feels > > compelled to vaccinate because of all the workers from other > > countries.. She said " you know Polio is still a real concern if > > people have it and they are working in the fields and then we're > > eating the produce etc. " She has a fair amount of intrepidation > > over vaccinating. over vaccinating.<WBR>. she has an unva > > going > > to start the vaccines on a slower schedule. > > She also asked me if I was going to feel comfortable traveling > > internationally with my daughter. We have been on 4 flights > > with > > her (stateside) she's only ever had a cold. I am pregnant again > > and > > I'm blaming it on the increase of hormones but I'm all the > > sudden > > feeling fearful all over again about my choice not to vaccinate. > > As a side note.. I've had a nanny all year 1 day a week whom is > > 21 > > never been vaccinated and is by all measures the healthiest > > person I > > know. She recently interviewed for a job with a physical > > therapist > > and his pharmacist wife who decided not to hire her after she > > casually mentioned she hasn't been vaccinated.. they asked their > > Pediatrician if it would be a risk to hire her to watch their 2 > > vaccinated kids and the Ped said yes as vaccines don't provide > > 100 > > percent immunity! It's an interesting battle.. I'm outspoken > > about > > it but I feel like I'm in such a minority..I' it but I feel > > reassurance! > > My nanny happened to tell this couple I didn't vaccinate my > > daughter > > and they have now passed that info. on to a number of people- > > I'm > > planning to do a religious exemption when my dd enters school > > but I > > don't want her to feel isolated/alienated. > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Trust me. Ten years from now you will never doubt yourselves again on the vaccine issue. You will have plenty to worry about, but vaccines will not be one of them. It's still very new to you not to vax so the doubts will come and go. Give it time and they'll leave for good. Winnie Polio > > _Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_ > (mailto:Vaccinations ) > > > > > I've been a member of this group since my daughter was > born..13 > > > months ago and have found it to be immensely helpful as I > made > > > the > > > decision not to vaccinate. > > > All that said do other people on this list ever have fears > re > > > surface? > > > I find that when I talk to friends and family I can all the > > > sudden > > > question my judgement. > > > Just today I was talking on the phone with my sister in law > who > > > lives in the Bay Area (I'm in Mt) Anyway, she told me she > feels > > > compelled to vaccinate because of all the workers from other > > > countries.. She said " you know Polio is still a real > concern if > > > people have it and they are working in the fields and then > we're > > > eating the produce etc. " She has a fair amount of > intrepidation > > > over vaccinating. over vaccinating.. she has an unva > > > going > > > to start the vaccines on a slower schedule. > > > She also asked me if I was going to feel comfortable > traveling > > > internationally with my daughter. We have been on 4 flights > > > with > > > her (stateside) she's only ever had a cold. I am pregnant > again > > > and > > > I'm blaming it on the increase of hormones but I'm all the > > > sudden > > > feeling fearful all over again about my choice not to vaccinate. > > > As a side note.. I've had a nanny all year 1 day a week > whom is > > > 21 > > > never been vaccinated and is by all measures the healthiest > > > person I > > > know. She recently interviewed for a job with a physical > > > therapist > > > and his pharmacist wife who decided not to hire her after > she > > > casually mentioned she hasn't been vaccinated.. they asked > their > > > Pediatrician if it would be a risk to hire her to watch > their 2 > > > vaccinated kids and the Ped said yes as vaccines don't > provide > > > 100 > > > percent immunity! It's an interesting battle.. I'm > outspoken > > > about > > > it but I feel like I'm in such a minority..I' it but I feel > > > reassurance! > > > My nanny happened to tell this couple I didn't vaccinate my > > > daughter > > > and they have now passed that info. on to a number of people- > > > > I'm > > > planning to do a religious exemption when my dd enters > school > > > but I > > > don't want her to feel isolated/alienated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. > City's Best > > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dear and Patrice, Your daughters will admire you, not hate you. And what an example they will have to follow! An object lesson in resisting peer pressure. The pay off comes when you hear her " educating " somone else! Especially other adults! My teenage nieces are very vocal about their opposition to vaccination and they don't have to continually refer to books for references, they know them! They adore their mothers! Personally, we home-schooled, so there was never a problem re alienation. I have felt alienation from some, but it doesn't count for anything compared to being a non-toxic family! Always remember that FEAR SELLS VACCINES! That is exactly what the pHARMcos count on, they can manufacture psycho-social hysteria, then they will run a poll to see if their Goebelesque propaganda has worked and will cite the poll figures to justify their latest poison. They will increase the propaganda budget if it doesn't seem as though their message has got through to enough people. The red-faced angry woman was frightened! You challenged her beliefs, worse, she must have a niggling doubt to feel so threatened by your stance! Be still. Maracuja Join the Blue Ribbon Online Free Speech Campaign! Polio > > _Vaccinations@ VaccinationsVac_ > (mailto:Vaccinations@ groups.. com) > > > > > I've been a member of this group since my daughter was > born..13 > > > months ago and have found it to be immensely helpful as I > made > > > the > > > decision not to vaccinate. > > > All that said do other people on this list ever have fears > re > > > surface? > > > I find that when I talk to friends and family I can all the > > > sudden > > > question my judgement. > > > Just today I was talking on the phone with my sister in law > who > > > lives in the Bay Area (I'm in Mt) Anyway, she told me she > feels > > > compelled to vaccinate because of all the workers from other > > > countries.. She said " you know Polio is still a real > concern if > > > people have it and they are working in the fields and then > we're > > > eating the produce etc. " She has a fair amount of > intrepidation > > > over vaccinating. over vaccinating. . she has an unva > > > going > > > to start the vaccines on a slower schedule. > > > She also asked me if I was going to feel comfortable > traveling > > > internationally with my daughter. We have been on 4 flights > > > with > > > her (stateside) she's only ever had a cold. I am pregnant > again > > > and > > > I'm blaming it on the increase of hormones but I'm all the > > > sudden > > > feeling fearful all over again about my choice not to vaccinate. > > > As a side note.. I've had a nanny all year 1 day a week > whom is > > > 21 > > > never been vaccinated and is by all measures the healthiest > > > person I > > > know. She recently interviewed for a job with a physical > > > therapist > > > and his pharmacist wife who decided not to hire her after > she > > > casually mentioned she hasn't been vaccinated.. they asked > their > > > Pediatrician if it would be a risk to hire her to watch > their 2 > > > vaccinated kids and the Ped said yes as vaccines don't > provide > > > 100 > > > percent immunity! It's an interesting battle.. I'm > outspoken > > > about > > > it but I feel like I'm in such a minority..I' it but I feel > > > reassurance! > > > My nanny happened to tell this couple I didn't vaccinate my > > > daughter > > > and they have now passed that info. on to a number of people- > > > > I'm > > > planning to do a religious exemption when my dd enters > school > > > but I > > > don't want her to feel isolated/alienated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. > City's Best > > 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid= aolacg0005000000 0102) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 as always.. well said Aja. Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103) ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston ~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. , National Institutes of Health ~~~A truth¢s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden www.vaclib.org www.909shot.com http://www.vacinfo.org/ http://www.vran.org/ http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm http://www.moorbows.com/ Polio > > _Vaccinations@ VaccinationsVac_ > (mailto:Vaccination s@ groups. . com) > > > > > I've been a member of this group since my daughter was > born..13 > > > months ago and have found it to be immensely helpful as I > made > > > the > > > decision not to vaccinate. > > > All that said do other people on this list ever have fears > re > > > surface? > > > I find that when I talk to friends and family I can all the > > > sudden > > > question my judgement. > > > Just today I was talking on the phone with my sister in law > who > > > lives in the Bay Area (I'm in Mt) Anyway, she told me she > feels > > > compelled to vaccinate because of all the workers from other > > > countries.. She said " you know Polio is still a real > concern if > > > people have it and they are working in the fields and then > we're > > > eating the produce etc. " She has a fair amount of > intrepidation > > > over vaccinating. over vaccinating. . she has an unva > > > going > > > to start the vaccines on a slower schedule. > > > She also asked me if I was going to feel comfortable > traveling > > > internationally with my daughter. We have been on 4 flights > > > with > > > her (stateside) she's only ever had a cold. I am pregnant > again > > > and > > > I'm blaming it on the increase of hormones but I'm all the > > > sudden > > > feeling fearful all over again about my choice not to vaccinate. > > > As a side note.. I've had a nanny all year 1 day a week > whom is > > > 21 > > > never been vaccinated and is by all measures the healthiest > > > person I > > > know. She recently interviewed for a job with a physical > > > therapist > > > and his pharmacist wife who decided not to hire her after > she > > > casually mentioned she hasn't been vaccinated.. they asked > their > > > Pediatrician if it would be a risk to hire her to watch > their 2 > > > vaccinated kids and the Ped said yes as vaccines don't > provide > > > 100 > > > percent immunity! It's an interesting battle.. I'm > outspoken > > > about > > > it but I feel like I'm in such a minority..I' it but I feel > > > reassurance! > > > My nanny happened to tell this couple I didn't vaccinate my > > > daughter > > > and they have now passed that info. on to a number of people- > > > > I'm > > > planning to do a religious exemption when my dd enters > school > > > but I > > > don't want her to feel isolated/alienated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. > City's Best > > 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid= aolacg0005000000 0102) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 I've just recently begun looking into issues like polio and smallpox. As best I could determine, there never was an infectious agent demonstrated for polio, but it seemed to be tied to high levels of lead and DDT or other toxins... maybe I need to look further... skipping to another issue, the thought that "they" would turn the internet into another gov regulated TV is scarey - will that really happen? Arghhh.... Alan Foos From: Alison Morrow <alisonjmorrow@...>Subject: poliono-forced-vaccination Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 8:12 AM Since no one spoke specifically to the polio issue, let me just note for you that polio is not an airborne disease. It's spread through feces. Correct me if I'm wrong, folks, but basically, you need to ingest the feces of a person with polio in order to contract it. Hand washing and teaching your child to keep his hands out of his mouth will pretty much take care of this. Keep your child off sugar and dairy, breastfeed him as long as possible and, once you do start him on real food, make it whole food and organic whenever possible. That's a far better defense than he'll ever get from vaccines. I know how you feel about being blind for 32 years (33 for me next month!). Welcome to the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 I've just recently begun looking into issues like polio and smallpox. As best I could determine, there never was an infectious agent demonstrated for polio, but it seemed to be tied to high levels of lead and DDT or other toxins... maybe I need to look further... skipping to another issue, the thought that "they" would turn the internet into another gov regulated TV is scarey - will that really happen? Arghhh.... Alan Foos From: Alison Morrow <alisonjmorrow@...>Subject: poliono-forced-vaccination Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 8:12 AM Since no one spoke specifically to the polio issue, let me just note for you that polio is not an airborne disease. It's spread through feces. Correct me if I'm wrong, folks, but basically, you need to ingest the feces of a person with polio in order to contract it. Hand washing and teaching your child to keep his hands out of his mouth will pretty much take care of this. Keep your child off sugar and dairy, breastfeed him as long as possible and, once you do start him on real food, make it whole food and organic whenever possible. That's a far better defense than he'll ever get from vaccines. I know how you feel about being blind for 32 years (33 for me next month!). Welcome to the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 At 05:17 PM 1/3/2009, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am currently reading 'fear of the invisible' and I am finding it >very informative, I am having a great deal of trouble understanding >the more medical aspects of the book, and am having to re-read them >over and over. > >My question is, if I am correct the polio virus has not been >isolated and been proved to cause polio, if this is true what is in >the vaccine. I may have this totally wrong, and am open to correction. > >Thanks she tells you what is in the vaccine - I don't have my book with me - but basically a bunch of non-sterile gunk. see more info my webpages http://www.wellwithin1.com/PolioJimWest.com Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers & Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in January 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Salk's vaccine was a mixture of a formula called 199. That consisted of 62 ingredients ranging from salt to penicillin and included mercury. This formula was what they added to the ground up spinal cord or brain of the monkey. What they called virus. Salk's plan was to make up a batch of vaccine that would provoke antibody's but not cause any disease. He believed that the presence of antibody's was evidence of prevention. Salk was not concerned about the virus(poison) that was put in the body. His concern was that it was to be weakened so it wouldn't cause polio. He concentrated only on the antibody's found in the blood. If there were antibody and no serious side effects then he could fool the people into thinking that the vaccine prevented polio. The whole thing was a hoax. The hoax was in the antibody theory. If they could convince people that antibody's prevented polio then they were home free. So if they tested and found antibody and you didn't get polio in 6 months then they would conclude that the reason they didn't get polio was because of the shot. In other words these men tried to make people believe that every body had the polio virus in them and the only way to be polio free was to take the vaccine. (A virus you couldn't see and exsists only in their mind) That way when a body got polio or some other related disease after the shot, they would state that the shot was to late, and the virus was doing its dirty work before the injection. There is no such thing as a live virus that they weaken or kill. There is a liquid poison that they weaken by diluting it to the point that it won't cause disease, they hope. This is when they inject pure poison into one monkey and it dies and then they inject that poison into another monkey and continue to the point where the last monkey doesn't die or get sick. Then they say the poison prevented it from getting polio. And is effective. ( Effective meant antibody production not prevention of disease.) There is a lot more to this story, but this will give you some idea of what was in the vaccine. My question to the scientific community is, Where did they get the insane idea of injecting poisons and ground up monkey into a human in the first place in order to prevent a disease that they knew nothing about what caused it in the first place. My question about their course of treatment and prevention of disease is why I renamed them the enstein group. Jim ________________________________ From: Deborah Ellard <bleeper123@...> vaccinations Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 4:17:57 PM Subject: Polio Hi, I am currently reading 'fear of the invisible' and I am finding it very informative, I am having a great deal of trouble understanding the more medical aspects of the book, and am having to re-read them over and over. My question is, if I am correct the polio virus has not been isolated and been proved to cause polio, if this is true what is in the vaccine. I may have this totally wrong, and am open to correction. Thanks ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Live Search presents Big Snap II - win vouchers http://clk.atdmt. com/UKM/go/ 117442309/ direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hey Mike, If you really want to read a fabulous book, try " Fear of the Invisible " , by Jeanine . It will really bring to light the theories of virology & the scam of polio. The primary focus is on the failure to prove that HIV causes AIDS. It is also backed up by all the research & references! Really an unbelievable book! North Haledon, NJ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://\ www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Sorry Mike, ddt was another theory. The whole idea of researching polio or Jenner is to uncover the lies, deception and non-science conclusions. Part of this deception is the lie that a virus causes disease. The word means poison and only in that form can virus cause sickness or death. Such as spider or snake poison. Or the poison(virus) they inject. Sandler said sweets caused polio. Your man said ddt, there were other theories also. That's why the vaccine promoters get away with poisoning the human body with drugs and vaccines. They have most of the people convinced that germs and virus cause disease, that drugs kill germs that cause disease, that polio and smallpox were wiped out by vaccines and we are living longer because of their poisonous drugs. In other words most people are not willing to take responsibility for their own health, so its easier to believe the lies and deceptions. I think it is critical to know what was in the minds of those who were there when it all came down. Obviously I would agree with you that polio is a scam. I learned this by reading the documents from that era. Jim ________________________________ From: mike yadon <mikeyadon@...> Vaccinations Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 12:42:47 PM Subject: polio polio is a scam. ddt was the cause of the so called " polio " symptoms. and the powers that be needed something to blame it on, so they called it polio and blamed it on a virus. i really so no reason to further educate yourself on polio because along the way, you'd be entrenching yourself in lies. > > To understand any controversial subject, one needs to read both sides from the main players, the people who were actually in the arena at the time the controversy took place. This is especially true about vaccines. Only by knowing the past and comparing it to the present " opinion " can one decide what is true and what is not. > Most people believe that polio was eradicated by Salk's vaccine. And based on that belief the whole vaccine argument rest.. In other words if Salk's vaccine wiped out polio, then today's vaccines must also prevent disease. So if one finds out that Salk's vaccine did not eradicate polio and that Salk's plan was based on his own theory of cause and effect, which also was diametrically opposed to the leading polio " experts " of the time, then one is liable to understand that if the polio vaccine did not prevent polio then by the same principle no vaccine will prevent any disease. > > I have just finished a book. Breakthrough, the saga of Jonas Salk by , written in 1966 after the polio fiasco was over. He interviewed Salk, O'Connor and all the main players in person. You will read the truth about this most unscientific experiment that cost 11 kids to die and over 200 more to become paralyzed. If you are one who is trying to educate people not to vaccinate, you need to read this book. > > Punch in used books, there are lots of copies available for 8 or 9 dollars. > > Jim > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 > > polio is a scam. ddt was the cause of the so called " polio " symptoms. > So what about polio still occuring in some third world countries like Africa & India? Are they using DDT extensively or bug sprays? Katarina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 ddt was the cause. back when they created it out of thin air to explain ddt poisoning. what is going on in africa and india is total body burden resulting in a myriad of autoimmune disorders and undesirable conditions. the tests in africa and india aren't detecting polio. i can tell you that for certain. but once again they are using it as a blanket explanation for autoimmune disorders and undesirable conditions caused by overactive immune systems which are hypersensitive to poisons in food, water, environment, drugs, etc. google, " polio ddt scam " ... you'll find all the info you need. or just buy the book others are recommending, " fear of the invisible " or any other number of books on the subject. > > > > polio is a scam. ddt was the cause of the so called " polio " symptoms. > > > So what about polio still occuring in some third world countries like > Africa & India? Are they using DDT extensively or bug sprays? > > Katarina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I didn't say polio symptoms were caused by ddt. Mike did. I said that was a theory as to the cause of polio symptoms. And it could be true. As far as a virus goes my research leads me to believe that today's definition of virus is bogus, ( a dead speck magnified by an electron microscope that magically comes alive when it somehow tricks the cell into letting it in..) This speck with no metabolism or brain, that doesn't eat, replicate and is classified chemically along with a grain of salt. I do however believe in the original definition of virus which means poison ,exist. For example if you grind up the spine or brain from a dead monkey or person, add a lot of other poisons and mince and mix it up into a liquid then you have a true virus. (poison) And the only way that will cause you disease, disability or death is to inject it directly into your bloodstream. Do you know of anyone who caught any disease naturally in this manner? Of course not, but this is exactly the way they infected monkeys and kids and then said if you didn't get polio it was the poison that protected you. There is a lot to this story. For example poliomyelitis and infantile paralysis is not the same. Polio was a list of symptoms that was the same as a common cold. Infantile paralysis was an infant usually from 6 months to 5 years of age that was paralyzed. So outside of the people being mass vaccinated in India, what do they have? Paralysis or polio? A good book is the poisoned needle for starters. Jim ________________________________ From: nirvana4freedom <nirvana4freedom@...> Vaccinations Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:36:40 AM Subject: Polio So are you trying to say that the rampant use of DDT caused polio- like symptoms and there is no polio virus as such? That's intriguing. Is that the reason why polio is still so widespread in India? Look at this pdf (http://www.npspindi a.org/bulletin. pdf) I need to learn so much more. Deepali > > To understand any controversial subject, one needs to read both sides from the main players, the people who were actually in the arena at the time the controversy took place. This is especially true about vaccines. Only by knowing the past and comparing it to the present " opinion " can one decide what is true and what is not. > Most people believe that polio was eradicated by Salk's vaccine. And based on that belief the whole vaccine argument rest.. In other words if Salk's vaccine wiped out polio, then today's vaccines must also prevent disease. So if one finds out that Salk's vaccine did not eradicate polio and that Salk's plan was based on his own theory of cause and effect, which also was diametrically opposed to the leading polio " experts " of the time, then one is liable to understand that if the polio vaccine did not prevent polio then by the same principle no vaccine will prevent any disease. > > I have just finished a book. Breakthrough, the saga of Jonas Salk by , written in 1966 after the polio fiasco was over. He interviewed Salk, O'Connor and all the main players in person. You will read the truth about this most unscientific experiment that cost 11 kids to die and over 200 more to become paralyzed. If you are one who is trying to educate people not to vaccinate, you need to read this book. > > Punch in used books, there are lots of copies available for 8 or 9 dollars. > > Jim > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 At 10:01 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote: > > > > > polio is a scam. ddt was the cause of the so called " polio " symptoms. > > >So what about polio still occuring in some third world countries like >Africa & India? Are they using DDT extensively or bug sprays? Yes, using DDT and other toxic pesticides. Sheri >Katarina > > >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 At 01:36 AM 1/10/2009, you wrote: >So are you trying to say that the rampant use of DDT caused polio- >like symptoms and there is no polio virus as such? That's >intriguing. Is that the reason why polio is still so widespread in >India? Look at this pdf (http://www.npspindia.org/bulletin.pdf) >I need to learn so much more. > >Deepali My webpages http://www.wellwithin1.com/PolioJimWest.htm and more on the virus lie in Janine 's book INCREDIBLE new book by Janine - just finished it - will be meeting with her on W (she lives just 90 minutes from me) Fear of the Invisible book on Polio and AIDS and HIV (and makes you question all the other things blamed on 'viruses', ie measles, mumps, chickenpox, rubella, flu, etc) She goes into great detail on the actual lies about polio to include how the vaccine is made and how NEVER proved to be infectious (some of Jim West's great info here and credited to him and his pages) Viruses NOT what you have been taught that they are Produced by our own bodies to do a job! And then she goes on into HIV and AIDS and the insanity of this link - NEVER proven.........money and ego driven..........you will be sickened even more than you may already be now The lives that have been lost or damaged due to the lies about Polio and the lies about HIV and AIDS I highly recommend this if you want to know how virology has NOT A CLUE about what they want you to believe they know so much about The lunatics are in charge of the asylum for sure Sheri Link to book in the US <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0955917727/wellwithinA/>http://www.amazo\ n.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0955917727/wellwithinA/ Link to book in the UK <http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0955917727/wellwithin-21/202-2017433-6\ 2>http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0955917727/wellwithin-21/202-2017433-\ 62 13405 How scared should we be of viruses and vaccines, HIV and AIDS? Fear_of_invisible_back_cover_150x225.jpg Fear of the Invisible by Janine isbn 0955917727, amazon.com An Investigative Journey into a reckless and contaminated Medical Industry This book takes its readers on a journey into the very heart of the hunt for viruses – to the key experiments performed to prove that these innvisibly small particles cause diseases that often were previously blamed on toxins or bacteria. It sheds light on the extraordinary assumptions underlying much of this research into viruses – and the resulting vaccinees and antiviral medicines. The author, an investigative journalist who researched and produced investigative films for the BBC, American and Australian television, was asked by parents with children severely ill after vaccination to discover if the medical authorities were hiding anything from them. She agreed, but had no idea how long this search would take or how it would change her ideas. She expected at best to uncover a small degree of contamination. On the ensuing decade-long journey of discovery, she found top government scientists report alarmingly, at meetings between scientists, that it is impossible to purify vaccines. They stated that the childhood vaccines of today are contaminated with viruses from chickens, humans and monkeys, with RNA and DNA fragments, with " cellular degradation products, " and possibly " oncogenes and prions. " They say they dare not tell the pubic about all this contamination - as they might demand a withdrawal of the vaccines. Thus the public is not told despite all the consequences of such contamination for long-term public health. A US court decision in 2008 has linked autism with vaccine contamination. The author cites her sources by name – and gives references and IInternet links where they are available. There is much research here that has not been reported elsewhere. She reveals, for example, that the World Health Organization (WHO) knows the MMR vaccine is contaminated with chicken leukosis virus, yet has decided not to tell the public and to continue to make the vaccine with eggs from contaminated chickens. She doubts the accuracy of their research, as it is based on discovering an enzyme, RT, not a virus, but they believe it is very dangerous to chickens and potentially to children. They stay silent because to confess this would reveal that they cannot purify the vaccines given to our children. She reports US biowarfare researchers tried to create new agents to destroy human immune systems – and reported working on a bacterium to makee it a hospital superbug. Did they manage to create HIV? She thought it unlikely as military personnel were not AIDS first victims. Besides there was a more likely alternative. A senior professor told her the vaccine program was so contaminated and chimps were used in vaccine manufacturing so widely, that HIV could easily have spread in a vaccine without any need for military intervention. She then set out to find why HIV spread so far and so fast. Was it in a vaccine? She needed to know more about HIV so went to the foundation research widely held today to have found this virus and proved it caused AIDS. She was then rocked to discover that this key HIV research was investigated for scientific fraud by powerful US scientific institutions and by Congress. Why is this not widely known? These reported major errors in this research, with some errors so serious that the inquiries said they made it impossible to repeat these experiments and verify them! She reveals the evidence unearthed – reproducing key documents so the reader can assess themm for themselves. This is explosive material. She then finds the faults in researching HIV apply also to other viruses. She goes to the key experiments and can find none in which pure samples of viruses were produced and proved to cause particular human diseases. If they cannot purify viruses for use in vaccines, they cannot produce the pure cultures needed to link with certitude viruses with diseases. The book discusses in detail the attack on the Perth group in an Australian court in 2007. During this many HIV experts said again and again - 'but we don't isolate other viruses. `it is not only HIV that we do not isolate.' They described how they produced the flu and measles virus. The author shows how measles virus is produced according to the latest CDC guidelines. it is as strange as anything done with HIV. At no point is the virus actually detected and identified. A major part of the book takes its readers on a journey through various aspects of HIV theory, such as sexual transmission, the different clinical definitions of AIDS, why AIDS is said to be caused by HIV and at the same time is said to happen in the absence of HIV, and why the HIV test picks up on different diseases in the West and in Africa. In the final part of this book the author reports recent research that is revolutionizing biology and offering much hope for the future. These new developments shed new light on the relationships between our cells and viruses. They are not necessarily enemies. Readers may find these new developments will radically change the ideas they have held about viruses all their lives. The preface is contributed by Dr o Giraldo. The book has hundreds of scientific references, a scientific glossary and an index. <http://www.rethinkingaids.com/tabid/122/Default.aspx>http://www.rethinkingaids.\ com/tabid/122/Default.aspx > > > > > To understand any controversial subject, one needs to read both >sides from the main players, the people who were actually in the >arena at the time the controversy took place. This is especially >true about vaccines. Only by knowing the past and comparing it to >the present " opinion " can one decide what is true and what is not. > > Most people believe that polio was eradicated by Salk's vaccine. >And based on that belief the whole vaccine argument rest.. In other >words if Salk's vaccine wiped out polio, then today's vaccines must >also prevent disease. So if one finds out that Salk's vaccine did >not eradicate polio and that Salk's plan was based on his own >theory of cause and effect, which also was diametrically opposed to >the leading polio " experts " of the time, then one is liable to >understand that if the polio vaccine did not prevent polio then by >the same principle no vaccine will prevent any disease. > > > > I have just finished a book. Breakthrough, the saga of Jonas Salk >by , written in 1966 after the polio fiasco was over. >He interviewed Salk, O'Connor and all the main players in person. >You will read the truth about this most unscientific experiment that >cost 11 kids to die and over 200 more to become paralyzed. If you >are one who is trying to educate people not to vaccinate, you need >to read this book. > > > > Punch in used books, there are lots of copies available for 8 or 9 >dollars. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 So what most people think is AIDS, killing people all over the world, what is that really? Just a bunch of other diseases caused by weakened immunity? It can't be caught from contact with bodily fluids? Melinda C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Right. To put it in a nutshell, aids was one form of rare cancer. Then they expanded it to several more diseases. Then they said there was an increase in aids like it was an actual disease. The last I read it included 21 different diseases lumped under the umbrella of aids. It is a scam just like polio and smallpox. Read inventing the aids virus by Duesberg. Explains the whole scam. If I remember right they said they never found the so called virus, they just went with so called antibody detection. Jim ________________________________ From: spanishmiss430 <spanishmiss430@...> Vaccinations Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:02:17 PM Subject: Re: Polio So what most people think is AIDS, killing people all over the world, what is that really? Just a bunch of other diseases caused by weakened immunity? It can't be caught from contact with bodily fluids? Melinda C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Hey Sheri, My husband has just finished this book as well...I just read him your post & he's so jealous that he can't come to your meeting with her! I said, " Honey, they are in the UK I believe " . He said, " Oh, yeah I should have known that! " So pick her brain & pass along the info! Regards, North Haledon, NJ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://\ www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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