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Dear Judith,

Thank you so much for this post. Yes, it did make sense to me. Myra

autoimmune

> From: " Judith Preston " <jlpresto@...>

>

> ,

>

> I just read your other post...so this is the next topic! It is very

> interesting that the problem we have with yeast is due to autoimmune--we

are

> overly immune to ourselves! I think its because we have a bunch of

proteins

> that we cant digest running around in our system--milk lactose and casein,

> and wheat/gluten gliadins. So, yeast just loves them but our immune

system

> is out to stop us from getting sick from the buildup of these proteins

that

> we cant digest. Then they leak into the blood through the intestine, and

> its over... now we got yeast in the blood too. And I have a TON of

allergic

> reactions to foods that I never had in the past. Do you guys all have a

> problem with eating peanuts, or is it just me?

>

> It just all caught up to me after many many years. It's interesting also

> that lactobacilli feed on the yeast, and they are the only thing that

does..

> So its so important to take the right types of lactob supplements if you

are

> in the kill phase..

>

> It's just that most people think that because the immune system is low,

you

> are susceptible to yeast...but in fact its the opposite. Witness what

> antibiotics do. People get yeast not because they were sick (ie low

immune)

> but because of high immune. Which is probably why people still get yeast

> infections, evolutionarily speaking...I saw an article talking about how,

> since there is an autoimmune over response, that makes up for the weakness

> in intolerance to the proteins that are the cause of yeast infections

coming

> to life. (Did that make sense?)

>

> Okay Ive rambled on enough! Ya'll have a nice weekend..

>

> Judith

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ALINA

I hope your niece lives longer then 15 years, cause I'm not ready to die

that soon, that would mean I'd have 12 years left. Nope not good

enough!

As far as i no the life expectancy rate for UNTREATED is 10 years, I

personally have not been given a year, for transplant they will give me

a date Nov. 3, when i was diagnosed they said 5-8years.

I say 20 years lol

Really I'm not to sure, just not thinking about it!! (today)

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AlinaJo

Wherr did this information come from....My son who has just turned 17 also

has AIH and PSC....no one has EVER mentioned that to us....His doctors are

the same ones we have been seeing since he was 10 and diagnosed with Crohns

Disease and Rhuematoid Arthritis....I trust them and we speak all the

time...I am very interested in where this information came from...

Luanne Ty's mom

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*counts on fingers*.. ok i think im maxed out here then.. thank god!!!

Autoimmune

> Mirko,

>

> You wrote:

>

> > ... I'm wondering if there is a link between them or just a

coincidence....

> > My concern is: if they are linked, is there a potential risk of rising

> > other autoimmune sindroms?

>

> Autoimmune disorders tend to occur in clusters of two to three and seem

> to be common in families, suggesting a genetic predisposition, often

> with a trigger in the form of a virus or toxic exposure. For example, my

> wife's constellation of problems started with a spider bite about eleven

> years ago. Hypothyroidism is often connected to Type I diabetes.

> However, I don't think the risk of all other autoimmunes goes up much

> once you have several that are linked.

>

> For more information you might want to look at the newsletters put out

> by the American Autoimmune Related Diseases Association at

>

> http://www.aarda.org/

>

> For more technical details, search at the Multiple Autoimmune Disease

> Genetics Consortium (MADGC) at

>

> http://www.madgc.org/

>

> Best of luck,

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

>

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not if it is mistaken and attacking good cells..

eric

--- Kathy <aiden424@...> wrote:

> I don't think that is totally true. When I was at

> the Mayo Clinic

> they said that an autoimmune disease has the same

> effect as if you

> floored the gas peddle on your car and held it

> there. Eventually

> something is going to give. I've been sick 19 years

> and I have several

> autoimmune diseases, but I still catch everything

> that's going around

> and it takes me longer then everyone else to

> recover. From what I've

> read on lyme it's very important to support the

> immune system.

>

> Kathy

>

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Sorry I don't agree. I take several supplements every day and feel

much better on them. I think once the antibiotics have taken care

of the lyme, my immune system will slow down. I've had immune tests

done, not all of my immune system is over active, parts of my immune

system were on the below average side.

Kathy

- In , eric schulman <eric_s11050@y...>

wrote:

>

> not if it is mistaken and attacking good cells..

> eric

>

> --- Kathy <aiden424@h...> wrote:

>

> > I don't think that is totally true. When I was at

> > the Mayo Clinic

> > they said that an autoimmune disease has the same

> > effect as if you

> > floored the gas peddle on your car and held it

> > there. Eventually

> > something is going to give. I've been sick 19 years

> > and I have several

> > autoimmune diseases, but I still catch everything

> > that's going around

> > and it takes me longer then everyone else to

> > recover. From what I've

> > read on lyme it's very important to support the

> > immune system.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

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it takes a long time to get better..lyme can take many

many years of therapy..but I will tell you kathy i

want you to know that i was so bad that if I did not

take antibiotics i would not be here with you today..

my immune system is back to normal or so i feel..the

autoimmune reaction has stopped after 2 years of

antibiotics..minocycline has been the best drug but

the strongest for lyme in a low dose..some of these

wholistic people are not helping people on this board

and i feel that robin should say something as they are

making fears to brew in lyme patients minds and they

are confused enough..we must try to get a doc that is

an llmd and put your trust in them..they are treating

you even though they can lose there license..we know

antibiotics are the only proven way of treating lyme

disease..wholistic should be on the back burner untill

an improvment is noted and the patient can think

clearly once again to make the right choice for

themselves..alot of people come to this board and are

in trouble so lets not confuse them by throwing around

wholistic and bashing antibiotics..

eric

--- Kathy <aiden424@...> wrote:

> Sorry I don't agree. I take several supplements

> every day and feel

> much better on them. I think once the antibiotics

> have taken care

> of the lyme, my immune system will slow down. I've

> had immune tests

> done, not all of my immune system is over active,

> parts of my immune

> system were on the below average side.

> Kathy

>

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I do take an antibiotic. I'm on Ceftin. I still take other things

to support my immune system.

Kathy

>

> > Sorry I don't agree. I take several supplements

> > every day and feel

> > much better on them. I think once the antibiotics

> > have taken care

> > of the lyme, my immune system will slow down. I've

> > had immune tests

> > done, not all of my immune system is over active,

> > parts of my immune

> > system were on the below average side.

> > Kathy

> >

>

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--- Kathy <aiden424@...> wrote:

I do take an antibiotic. I'm on Ceftin. I still

take other things

to support my immune system.

Kathy

>

>

> >

> > it takes a long time to get better..lyme can take

> many

> > many years of therapy..but I will tell you kathy

> i

> > want you to know that i was so bad that if I did

> not

> > take antibiotics i would not be here with you

> today..

> > my immune system is back to normal or so i

> feel..the

> > autoimmune reaction has stopped after 2 years of

> > antibiotics..minocycline has been the best drug

> but

> > the strongest for lyme in a low dose..some of

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Dr. B of NY thinks it is good to strengthen the immune system if you

have lyme. He says that many people can all have lyme, but those

that have a weak immune sysem will suffer the effects more and be

more prone to having symptoms. In other words, there are folks with

lyme who have stronger immune systems who never knew they had lyme

and did not suffer symptoms or had mild symptoms. Please forgive me

for taking the liberty of paraphrasing this...

>

> > I don't think that is totally true. When I was at

> > the Mayo Clinic

> > they said that an autoimmune disease has the same

> > effect as if you

> > floored the gas peddle on your car and held it

> > there. Eventually

> > something is going to give. I've been sick 19 years

> > and I have several

> > autoimmune diseases, but I still catch everything

> > that's going around

> > and it takes me longer then everyone else to

> > recover. From what I've

> > read on lyme it's very important to support the

> > immune system.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

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I think it only makes sense to try and lead a life style condusive to

good health. Some one who eats well, gets enough sleep and exercise,

and keeps a good attitude towards life will probably get sick less

often and suffer less severely than someone who is careless with their

health. However, I suspect that healthy living alone is insufficient

to greatly modify the course of the disease for the vast majority of

those infected.

I suspect that the human's immune system will respond to LD in a bell

curve fashion. a few percent on the left of the curve will be able

defeat the desease, a few more percent will be able to keep it

suppressed for most of their life. The vast majority of people will

not be able to defeat or supress the disease but will begin to suffer

more or less severely from the disease but will not die quickly enough

for LD to be recognised as a cause. A few percentage of people on the

right of the curve will not be able to contain the disease and will

die quickly enough, some sooner than others, that it will be apparent

that LD was the cause.

A healthy lifestyle will be the equivalent of moving a person's immune

system slightly to the left of the curve. This will help some people

to stay symptom free, and will reduce the severity of symptoms in

others but it will not help the overwhelming majority of sufferers to

defeat the disease. Most people will need a well thought out abx

program to defeat the disease. A few % of people who recieve abx will

still not recover.

cheers

Duncan

> >

> > > I don't think that is totally true. When I was at

> > > the Mayo Clinic

> > > they said that an autoimmune disease has the same

> > > effect as if you

> > > floored the gas peddle on your car and held it

> > > there. Eventually

> > > something is going to give. I've been sick 19 years

> > > and I have several

> > > autoimmune diseases, but I still catch everything

> > > that's going around

> > > and it takes me longer then everyone else to

> > > recover. From what I've

> > > read on lyme it's very important to support the

> > > immune system.

> > >

> > > Kathy

> > >

> >

>

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Well said!

>

> I think it only makes sense to try and lead a life style condusive to

> good health. Some one who eats well, gets enough sleep and exercise,

> and keeps a good attitude towards life will probably get sick less

> often and suffer less severely than someone who is careless with their

> health. However, I suspect that healthy living alone is insufficient

> to greatly modify the course of the disease for the vast majority of

> those infected.

>

> I suspect that the human's immune system will respond to LD in a bell

> curve fashion. a few percent on the left of the curve will be able

> defeat the desease, a few more percent will be able to keep it

> suppressed for most of their life. The vast majority of people will

> not be able to defeat or supress the disease but will begin to suffer

> more or less severely from the disease but will not die quickly enough

> for LD to be recognised as a cause. A few percentage of people on the

> right of the curve will not be able to contain the disease and will

> die quickly enough, some sooner than others, that it will be apparent

> that LD was the cause.

>

> A healthy lifestyle will be the equivalent of moving a person's immune

> system slightly to the left of the curve. This will help some people

> to stay symptom free, and will reduce the severity of symptoms in

> others but it will not help the overwhelming majority of sufferers to

> defeat the disease. Most people will need a well thought out abx

> program to defeat the disease. A few % of people who recieve abx will

> still not recover.

>

> cheers

>

> Duncan

>

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it is very important to take antibiotics in an acute situation as a

reduction of the spirochete numbers is critical....this is the only

way to go in this situation....period.....

if you become stressed and you have lyme you are in trouble...also

taking ANY steroid is prohibited...I believe alternatives take a back seat in

this situation as most are not proven.... and may not work and subject

the patient to a worse prognosis and treatment....I am not knocking

wholistics,just putting it in its place....I dont believe lyme becomes

dormant at all...I do believe that when taking antibiotics the

spirochete moves further into places the antibiotic cant get to....I

guess that is why pulsing works for me...another thing is antibiotics

have made organs return to normal function and for nerves to

regenerate as the inflamation resolves...inflammation is the real

culprit in lyme disease and the immune system dysfunction....so that

is why antibiotics work....it may take a long time to get the right

one or two....so please dont knock antibiotics as it is a life saver...

eric

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