Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 Dear Judith, Thank you so much for this post. Yes, it did make sense to me. Myra autoimmune > From: " Judith Preston " <jlpresto@...> > > , > > I just read your other post...so this is the next topic! It is very > interesting that the problem we have with yeast is due to autoimmune--we are > overly immune to ourselves! I think its because we have a bunch of proteins > that we cant digest running around in our system--milk lactose and casein, > and wheat/gluten gliadins. So, yeast just loves them but our immune system > is out to stop us from getting sick from the buildup of these proteins that > we cant digest. Then they leak into the blood through the intestine, and > its over... now we got yeast in the blood too. And I have a TON of allergic > reactions to foods that I never had in the past. Do you guys all have a > problem with eating peanuts, or is it just me? > > It just all caught up to me after many many years. It's interesting also > that lactobacilli feed on the yeast, and they are the only thing that does.. > So its so important to take the right types of lactob supplements if you are > in the kill phase.. > > It's just that most people think that because the immune system is low, you > are susceptible to yeast...but in fact its the opposite. Witness what > antibiotics do. People get yeast not because they were sick (ie low immune) > but because of high immune. Which is probably why people still get yeast > infections, evolutionarily speaking...I saw an article talking about how, > since there is an autoimmune over response, that makes up for the weakness > in intolerance to the proteins that are the cause of yeast infections coming > to life. (Did that make sense?) > > Okay Ive rambled on enough! Ya'll have a nice weekend.. > > Judith > jlpresto@... > > > _ > > Subscription URL: /subscribe.cgi/candidiasis > > > Send blank message to this e-mail address if you want to: > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE !!!!!!!!! : > > candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist > > To change status from normal to digest: > candidiasis-digestonelist > > To change status from digest to normal: > candidiasis-normalonelist > > To subscribe: > candidiasis-subscribeonelist > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1999 Report Share Posted October 25, 1999 ALINA I hope your niece lives longer then 15 years, cause I'm not ready to die that soon, that would mean I'd have 12 years left. Nope not good enough! As far as i no the life expectancy rate for UNTREATED is 10 years, I personally have not been given a year, for transplant they will give me a date Nov. 3, when i was diagnosed they said 5-8years. I say 20 years lol Really I'm not to sure, just not thinking about it!! (today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 1999 Report Share Posted October 29, 1999 AlinaJo Wherr did this information come from....My son who has just turned 17 also has AIH and PSC....no one has EVER mentioned that to us....His doctors are the same ones we have been seeing since he was 10 and diagnosed with Crohns Disease and Rhuematoid Arthritis....I trust them and we speak all the time...I am very interested in where this information came from... Luanne Ty's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 *counts on fingers*.. ok i think im maxed out here then.. thank god!!! Autoimmune > Mirko, > > You wrote: > > > ... I'm wondering if there is a link between them or just a coincidence.... > > My concern is: if they are linked, is there a potential risk of rising > > other autoimmune sindroms? > > Autoimmune disorders tend to occur in clusters of two to three and seem > to be common in families, suggesting a genetic predisposition, often > with a trigger in the form of a virus or toxic exposure. For example, my > wife's constellation of problems started with a spider bite about eleven > years ago. Hypothyroidism is often connected to Type I diabetes. > However, I don't think the risk of all other autoimmunes goes up much > once you have several that are linked. > > For more information you might want to look at the newsletters put out > by the American Autoimmune Related Diseases Association at > > http://www.aarda.org/ > > For more technical details, search at the Multiple Autoimmune Disease > Genetics Consortium (MADGC) at > > http://www.madgc.org/ > > Best of luck, > Chuck > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 not if it is mistaken and attacking good cells.. eric --- Kathy <aiden424@...> wrote: > I don't think that is totally true. When I was at > the Mayo Clinic > they said that an autoimmune disease has the same > effect as if you > floored the gas peddle on your car and held it > there. Eventually > something is going to give. I've been sick 19 years > and I have several > autoimmune diseases, but I still catch everything > that's going around > and it takes me longer then everyone else to > recover. From what I've > read on lyme it's very important to support the > immune system. > > Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Sorry I don't agree. I take several supplements every day and feel much better on them. I think once the antibiotics have taken care of the lyme, my immune system will slow down. I've had immune tests done, not all of my immune system is over active, parts of my immune system were on the below average side. Kathy - In , eric schulman <eric_s11050@y...> wrote: > > not if it is mistaken and attacking good cells.. > eric > > --- Kathy <aiden424@h...> wrote: > > > I don't think that is totally true. When I was at > > the Mayo Clinic > > they said that an autoimmune disease has the same > > effect as if you > > floored the gas peddle on your car and held it > > there. Eventually > > something is going to give. I've been sick 19 years > > and I have several > > autoimmune diseases, but I still catch everything > > that's going around > > and it takes me longer then everyone else to > > recover. From what I've > > read on lyme it's very important to support the > > immune system. > > > > Kathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 it takes a long time to get better..lyme can take many many years of therapy..but I will tell you kathy i want you to know that i was so bad that if I did not take antibiotics i would not be here with you today.. my immune system is back to normal or so i feel..the autoimmune reaction has stopped after 2 years of antibiotics..minocycline has been the best drug but the strongest for lyme in a low dose..some of these wholistic people are not helping people on this board and i feel that robin should say something as they are making fears to brew in lyme patients minds and they are confused enough..we must try to get a doc that is an llmd and put your trust in them..they are treating you even though they can lose there license..we know antibiotics are the only proven way of treating lyme disease..wholistic should be on the back burner untill an improvment is noted and the patient can think clearly once again to make the right choice for themselves..alot of people come to this board and are in trouble so lets not confuse them by throwing around wholistic and bashing antibiotics.. eric --- Kathy <aiden424@...> wrote: > Sorry I don't agree. I take several supplements > every day and feel > much better on them. I think once the antibiotics > have taken care > of the lyme, my immune system will slow down. I've > had immune tests > done, not all of my immune system is over active, > parts of my immune > system were on the below average side. > Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I do take an antibiotic. I'm on Ceftin. I still take other things to support my immune system. Kathy > > > Sorry I don't agree. I take several supplements > > every day and feel > > much better on them. I think once the antibiotics > > have taken care > > of the lyme, my immune system will slow down. I've > > had immune tests > > done, not all of my immune system is over active, > > parts of my immune > > system were on the below average side. > > Kathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 --- Kathy <aiden424@...> wrote: I do take an antibiotic. I'm on Ceftin. I still take other things to support my immune system. Kathy > > > > > > it takes a long time to get better..lyme can take > many > > many years of therapy..but I will tell you kathy > i > > want you to know that i was so bad that if I did > not > > take antibiotics i would not be here with you > today.. > > my immune system is back to normal or so i > feel..the > > autoimmune reaction has stopped after 2 years of > > antibiotics..minocycline has been the best drug > but > > the strongest for lyme in a low dose..some of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Dr. B of NY thinks it is good to strengthen the immune system if you have lyme. He says that many people can all have lyme, but those that have a weak immune sysem will suffer the effects more and be more prone to having symptoms. In other words, there are folks with lyme who have stronger immune systems who never knew they had lyme and did not suffer symptoms or had mild symptoms. Please forgive me for taking the liberty of paraphrasing this... > > > I don't think that is totally true. When I was at > > the Mayo Clinic > > they said that an autoimmune disease has the same > > effect as if you > > floored the gas peddle on your car and held it > > there. Eventually > > something is going to give. I've been sick 19 years > > and I have several > > autoimmune diseases, but I still catch everything > > that's going around > > and it takes me longer then everyone else to > > recover. From what I've > > read on lyme it's very important to support the > > immune system. > > > > Kathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 I think it only makes sense to try and lead a life style condusive to good health. Some one who eats well, gets enough sleep and exercise, and keeps a good attitude towards life will probably get sick less often and suffer less severely than someone who is careless with their health. However, I suspect that healthy living alone is insufficient to greatly modify the course of the disease for the vast majority of those infected. I suspect that the human's immune system will respond to LD in a bell curve fashion. a few percent on the left of the curve will be able defeat the desease, a few more percent will be able to keep it suppressed for most of their life. The vast majority of people will not be able to defeat or supress the disease but will begin to suffer more or less severely from the disease but will not die quickly enough for LD to be recognised as a cause. A few percentage of people on the right of the curve will not be able to contain the disease and will die quickly enough, some sooner than others, that it will be apparent that LD was the cause. A healthy lifestyle will be the equivalent of moving a person's immune system slightly to the left of the curve. This will help some people to stay symptom free, and will reduce the severity of symptoms in others but it will not help the overwhelming majority of sufferers to defeat the disease. Most people will need a well thought out abx program to defeat the disease. A few % of people who recieve abx will still not recover. cheers Duncan > > > > > I don't think that is totally true. When I was at > > > the Mayo Clinic > > > they said that an autoimmune disease has the same > > > effect as if you > > > floored the gas peddle on your car and held it > > > there. Eventually > > > something is going to give. I've been sick 19 years > > > and I have several > > > autoimmune diseases, but I still catch everything > > > that's going around > > > and it takes me longer then everyone else to > > > recover. From what I've > > > read on lyme it's very important to support the > > > immune system. > > > > > > Kathy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Well said! > > I think it only makes sense to try and lead a life style condusive to > good health. Some one who eats well, gets enough sleep and exercise, > and keeps a good attitude towards life will probably get sick less > often and suffer less severely than someone who is careless with their > health. However, I suspect that healthy living alone is insufficient > to greatly modify the course of the disease for the vast majority of > those infected. > > I suspect that the human's immune system will respond to LD in a bell > curve fashion. a few percent on the left of the curve will be able > defeat the desease, a few more percent will be able to keep it > suppressed for most of their life. The vast majority of people will > not be able to defeat or supress the disease but will begin to suffer > more or less severely from the disease but will not die quickly enough > for LD to be recognised as a cause. A few percentage of people on the > right of the curve will not be able to contain the disease and will > die quickly enough, some sooner than others, that it will be apparent > that LD was the cause. > > A healthy lifestyle will be the equivalent of moving a person's immune > system slightly to the left of the curve. This will help some people > to stay symptom free, and will reduce the severity of symptoms in > others but it will not help the overwhelming majority of sufferers to > defeat the disease. Most people will need a well thought out abx > program to defeat the disease. A few % of people who recieve abx will > still not recover. > > cheers > > Duncan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Your message has been edited. Please read the file entitled " Your Message Has Been Edited " at /files/ . Lyme Aid Owner ===== it is very important to take antibiotics in an acute situation as a reduction of the spirochete numbers is critical....this is the only way to go in this situation....period..... if you become stressed and you have lyme you are in trouble...also taking ANY steroid is prohibited...I believe alternatives take a back seat in this situation as most are not proven.... and may not work and subject the patient to a worse prognosis and treatment....I am not knocking wholistics,just putting it in its place....I dont believe lyme becomes dormant at all...I do believe that when taking antibiotics the spirochete moves further into places the antibiotic cant get to....I guess that is why pulsing works for me...another thing is antibiotics have made organs return to normal function and for nerves to regenerate as the inflamation resolves...inflammation is the real culprit in lyme disease and the immune system dysfunction....so that is why antibiotics work....it may take a long time to get the right one or two....so please dont knock antibiotics as it is a life saver... eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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