Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I'm sorry to hear of this woman's passing, but glad to know someone gave lyme some press time in MO. I was bitten in Missouri and lyme is rampant here. For some reason, very few persons meet the CDC criteria but are quite ill. Dr. Masters has dubbed it STARI disease. cooky > > > [RLL] Worn down by Lyme - MO > > > > http://www.columbiatribune.com/2006/Jan/20060121News005.asp > > Worn down by Lyme > Family says disease caused death at 37. > > By GREG MILLER of the Tribune's staff > Published Saturday, January 21, 2006 > > Although Kym 's autopsy says she died of natural causes, her family > believes her death Monday while she was sleeping was a product of Lyme > disease, an illness she struggled with for eight years. > > " Anybody is going to wear down, " said Adam Boster, 's brother-in-law. > " I don't think we're meant to go forever in that stage. " > > lived with the severe pain and fatigue that accompanied the disease > she contracted in 1998. She detailed her physical torment and battle with > doctors who didn't understand her sickness in a 2001 letter her mother found > three days after her death at age 37. > > " This came from Kym, " said yesterday, showing the letter to a > reporter. " There were just so many people who couldn't understand how a tick > made her this sick. " > > In the United States, ticks are responsible for more human disease than any > other insect, the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services says. > Lyme disease is just one of several illnesses that can result from a tick's > bite. > > The disease is caused by a bacterial agent, Borrelia burgdorferi. Symptoms > include fever, severe headache, muscle or joint aches and a red rash around > the site of the initial bite. > > Kym had worked as an activities director for a Fayette nursing home. > After she was bitten by a tick in 1998, she just picked it off and kept > walking, sister Steffany Boster said. It's unclear whether the bite occurred > on a trail in Boonville or in Columbia. > > " I don't think she ever gave it any thought, " Boster said. > > A few days later, a red rash developed around the bite. > > A Boonville doctor advised to apply an ointment and forget about it. > But she then began to experience extreme fatigue and had trouble walking and > speaking. > > " I knew something was really wrong, " wrote in the 2001 letter. > > 's Boonville doctor then diagnosed the problem as a stress disorder. > > But as 's health declined, another doctor referred her to Gordon > Christensen, a physician and professor at the University of > Missouri-Columbia. Nearly a year after the bite occurred, Christensen > diagnosed with Lyme disease - something he's only diagnosed three > times in his career. > > " It's a real challenge, " Christensen said. " We don't know a lot about this. " > > In Missouri, there were 15 cases of Lyme disease reported in 2004, said > Yates, the vector-borne diseases program coordinator at the Department > of Health and Senior Services. > > " We really have a hard time tracking that, " Yates said yesterday. " We > suspect that there are other people who do become ill and are not being > counted. " > > Some cases of Lyme disease are incurable, but there is no diagnostic test to > determine the presence of the disease. > > For Christensen to make a strict diagnosis, he had to follow a strict set of > questions and symptoms laid out by the federal Centers for Disease Control > and Prevention. Making matters even more complicated, Borrelia burgdorferi > has never been isolated in a patient from Missouri. > > " By that definition, there's never been a case of Lyme disease in Missouri, " > Christensen said. > > To test for Borrelia burgdorferi, a blood sample must be taken to see > whether blood reacts to the illness's genetic material, but other things can > cause a reaction. > > " It's a big mess, " Christensen said of efforts to make such a diagnosis. > > Christensen said these unknowns have divided most physicians into one group > that doesn't believe Lyme disease has occurred and treats the symptoms and > another group that aggressively treats the disease with antibiotics. > > " I'm kind of right in the middle, " Christensen said. " I don't think either > group has got it right. " > > Confusion like this drove to type a one-page letter. > > " If you run into a doctor that says Lyme disease doesn't exist, it's time to > find another doctor, " said Adam Boster, 's brother-in-law. > > Yates said that of Missouri's 15 cases of Lyme disease in 2004, three > affected residents of Boone County. The state department of health says the > incidence of the disease was 2.21 per 100,000 in Boone County, compared with > the state average of 0.46 per 100,000. > > No confirmed Lyme disease case has been fatal. > > " It's a chronic illness, but it's not considered to be lethal, " Christensen > said. " It's the complications. " > > The CDC lists several tips to protect against ticks: Avoid tick- infested > areas, wear light-colored clothing, use tick repellent and perform daily > tick checks. > > If someone finds a tick embedded in his or her skin, the CDC Web site > recommends using fine-tipped tweezers to grab the tick close to the skin and > gently pull it straight up to keep its head intact with its body. After > handling the tick, wash hands, clean the bite and watch for signs of > illness. > > As 's family members mourn, they are preparing for a service at 2 p.m. > tomorrow at Memorial Funeral Home. They have asked for donations to the > National Lyme Disease Association because they know - through 's > letter - how important Lyme disease education can be. > > " I hope that whoever reads this letter will have better understanding of > what it is like to live like this, " wrote. " Please, I need all the > support I can get because I am not getting better only worse. " > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > Reach Greg at (573) 815-1723 or gmiller@t... > > Copyright © 2006 The Columbia Daily Tribune. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 cooky where do youlive in mo sarah [RLL] Worn down by Lyme - MO > > > > http://www.columbiatribune.com/2006/Jan/20060121News005.asp > > Worn down by Lyme > Family says disease caused death at 37. > > By GREG MILLER of the Tribune's staff > Published Saturday, January 21, 2006 > > Although Kym 's autopsy says she died of natural causes, her family > believes her death Monday while she was sleeping was a product of Lyme > disease, an illness she struggled with for eight years. > > " Anybody is going to wear down, " said Adam Boster, 's brother-in-law. > " I don't think we're meant to go forever in that stage. " > > lived with the severe pain and fatigue that accompanied the disease > she contracted in 1998. She detailed her physical torment and battle with > doctors who didn't understand her sickness in a 2001 letter her mother found > three days after her death at age 37. > > " This came from Kym, " said yesterday, showing the letter to a > reporter. " There were just so many people who couldn't understand how a tick > made her this sick. " > > In the United States, ticks are responsible for more human disease than any > other insect, the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services says. > Lyme disease is just one of several illnesses that can result from a tick's > bite. > > The disease is caused by a bacterial agent, Borrelia burgdorferi. Symptoms > include fever, severe headache, muscle or joint aches and a red rash around > the site of the initial bite. > > Kym had worked as an activities director for a Fayette nursing home. > After she was bitten by a tick in 1998, she just picked it off and kept > walking, sister Steffany Boster said. It's unclear whether the bite occurred > on a trail in Boonville or in Columbia. > > " I don't think she ever gave it any thought, " Boster said. > > A few days later, a red rash developed around the bite. > > A Boonville doctor advised to apply an ointment and forget about it. > But she then began to experience extreme fatigue and had trouble walking and > speaking. > > " I knew something was really wrong, " wrote in the 2001 letter. > > 's Boonville doctor then diagnosed the problem as a stress disorder. > > But as 's health declined, another doctor referred her to Gordon > Christensen, a physician and professor at the University of > Missouri-Columbia. Nearly a year after the bite occurred, Christensen > diagnosed with Lyme disease - something he's only diagnosed three > times in his career. > > " It's a real challenge, " Christensen said. " We don't know a lot about this. " > > In Missouri, there were 15 cases of Lyme disease reported in 2004, said > Yates, the vector-borne diseases program coordinator at the Department > of Health and Senior Services. > > " We really have a hard time tracking that, " Yates said yesterday. " We > suspect that there are other people who do become ill and are not being > counted. " > > Some cases of Lyme disease are incurable, but there is no diagnostic test to > determine the presence of the disease. > > For Christensen to make a strict diagnosis, he had to follow a strict set of > questions and symptoms laid out by the federal Centers for Disease Control > and Prevention. Making matters even more complicated, Borrelia burgdorferi > has never been isolated in a patient from Missouri. > > " By that definition, there's never been a case of Lyme disease in Missouri, " > Christensen said. > > To test for Borrelia burgdorferi, a blood sample must be taken to see > whether blood reacts to the illness's genetic material, but other things can > cause a reaction. > > " It's a big mess, " Christensen said of efforts to make such a diagnosis. > > Christensen said these unknowns have divided most physicians into one group > that doesn't believe Lyme disease has occurred and treats the symptoms and > another group that aggressively treats the disease with antibiotics. > > " I'm kind of right in the middle, " Christensen said. " I don't think either > group has got it right. " > > Confusion like this drove to type a one-page letter. > > " If you run into a doctor that says Lyme disease doesn't exist, it's time to > find another doctor, " said Adam Boster, 's brother-in-law. > > Yates said that of Missouri's 15 cases of Lyme disease in 2004, three > affected residents of Boone County. The state department of health says the > incidence of the disease was 2.21 per 100,000 in Boone County, compared with > the state average of 0.46 per 100,000. > > No confirmed Lyme disease case has been fatal. > > " It's a chronic illness, but it's not considered to be lethal, " Christensen > said. " It's the complications. " > > The CDC lists several tips to protect against ticks: Avoid tick- infested > areas, wear light-colored clothing, use tick repellent and perform daily > tick checks. > > If someone finds a tick embedded in his or her skin, the CDC Web site > recommends using fine-tipped tweezers to grab the tick close to the skin and > gently pull it straight up to keep its head intact with its body. After > handling the tick, wash hands, clean the bite and watch for signs of > illness. > > As 's family members mourn, they are preparing for a service at 2 p.m. > tomorrow at Memorial Funeral Home. They have asked for donations to the > National Lyme Disease Association because they know - through 's > letter - how important Lyme disease education can be. > > " I hope that whoever reads this letter will have better understanding of > what it is like to live like this, " wrote. " Please, I need all the > support I can get because I am not getting better only worse. " > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > Reach Greg at (573) 815-1723 or gmiller@t... > > Copyright © 2006 The Columbia Daily Tribune. > For up to date information about Lyme disease and the known co-infections delivered to your email address see: Robynns_Lyme_List/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Cooky, What are drs using to treat STARI or Masters disease as I have heard it also called? Perhaps people are not meeting CDC criteria because the usual Lyme tests might not detect the particular strain of Bb that causes STARI. Were you bitten by Lone Star tick? I have been bitten twice by those in TN and wonder if I might have STARI. > I was bitten in Missouri and lyme > is rampant here. For some reason, very few persons meet the CDC > criteria but are quite ill. Dr. Masters has dubbed it STARI > disease. > cooky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hi , I am now on the Kansas side of KC. I was bitten near Nevada MO about 15 years ago after a few hundred ticks crawled off some rabbits that were killed from hunting on our farm. I jokingly called the place " tick hill, " and it turned out to be true. cooky > > > > > > [RLL] Worn down by Lyme - MO > > > > > > > > http://www.columbiatribune.com/2006/Jan/20060121News005.asp > > > > Worn down by Lyme > > Family says disease caused death at 37. > > > > By GREG MILLER of the Tribune's staff > > Published Saturday, January 21, 2006 > > > > Although Kym 's autopsy says she died of natural causes, her > family > > believes her death Monday while she was sleeping was a product of > Lyme > > disease, an illness she struggled with for eight years. > > > > " Anybody is going to wear down, " said Adam Boster, 's > brother-in-law. > > " I don't think we're meant to go forever in that stage. " > > > > lived with the severe pain and fatigue that accompanied the > disease > > she contracted in 1998. She detailed her physical torment and > battle with > > doctors who didn't understand her sickness in a 2001 letter her > mother found > > three days after her death at age 37. > > > > " This came from Kym, " said yesterday, showing the > letter to a > > reporter. " There were just so many people who couldn't understand > how a tick > > made her this sick. " > > > > In the United States, ticks are responsible for more human disease > than any > > other insect, the Missouri Department of Health and Senior > Services says. > > Lyme disease is just one of several illnesses that can result from > a tick's > > bite. > > > > The disease is caused by a bacterial agent, Borrelia burgdorferi. > Symptoms > > include fever, severe headache, muscle or joint aches and a red > rash around > > the site of the initial bite. > > > > Kym had worked as an activities director for a Fayette > nursing home. > > After she was bitten by a tick in 1998, she just picked it off and > kept > > walking, sister Steffany Boster said. It's unclear whether the > bite occurred > > on a trail in Boonville or in Columbia. > > > > " I don't think she ever gave it any thought, " Boster said. > > > > A few days later, a red rash developed around the bite. > > > > A Boonville doctor advised to apply an ointment and forget > about it. > > But she then began to experience extreme fatigue and had trouble > walking and > > speaking. > > > > " I knew something was really wrong, " wrote in the 2001 > letter. > > > > 's Boonville doctor then diagnosed the problem as a stress > disorder. > > > > But as 's health declined, another doctor referred her to > Gordon > > Christensen, a physician and professor at the University of > > Missouri-Columbia. Nearly a year after the bite occurred, > Christensen > > diagnosed with Lyme disease - something he's only diagnosed > three > > times in his career. > > > > " It's a real challenge, " Christensen said. " We don't know a lot > about this. " > > > > In Missouri, there were 15 cases of Lyme disease reported in 2004, > said > > Yates, the vector-borne diseases program coordinator at the > Department > > of Health and Senior Services. > > > > " We really have a hard time tracking that, " Yates said > yesterday. " We > > suspect that there are other people who do become ill and are not > being > > counted. " > > > > Some cases of Lyme disease are incurable, but there is no > diagnostic test to > > determine the presence of the disease. > > > > For Christensen to make a strict diagnosis, he had to follow a > strict set of > > questions and symptoms laid out by the federal Centers for Disease > Control > > and Prevention. Making matters even more complicated, Borrelia > burgdorferi > > has never been isolated in a patient from Missouri. > > > > " By that definition, there's never been a case of Lyme disease in > Missouri, " > > Christensen said. > > > > To test for Borrelia burgdorferi, a blood sample must be taken to > see > > whether blood reacts to the illness's genetic material, but other > things can > > cause a reaction. > > > > " It's a big mess, " Christensen said of efforts to make such a > diagnosis. > > > > Christensen said these unknowns have divided most physicians into > one group > > that doesn't believe Lyme disease has occurred and treats the > symptoms and > > another group that aggressively treats the disease with > antibiotics. > > > > " I'm kind of right in the middle, " Christensen said. " I don't > think either > > group has got it right. " > > > > Confusion like this drove to type a one-page letter. > > > > " If you run into a doctor that says Lyme disease doesn't exist, > it's time to > > find another doctor, " said Adam Boster, 's brother-in-law. > > > > Yates said that of Missouri's 15 cases of Lyme disease in 2004, > three > > affected residents of Boone County. The state department of health > says the > > incidence of the disease was 2.21 per 100,000 in Boone County, > compared with > > the state average of 0.46 per 100,000. > > > > No confirmed Lyme disease case has been fatal. > > > > " It's a chronic illness, but it's not considered to be lethal, " > Christensen > > said. " It's the complications. " > > > > The CDC lists several tips to protect against ticks: Avoid tick- > infested > > areas, wear light-colored clothing, use tick repellent and perform > daily > > tick checks. > > > > If someone finds a tick embedded in his or her skin, the CDC Web > site > > recommends using fine-tipped tweezers to grab the tick close to > the skin and > > gently pull it straight up to keep its head intact with its body. > After > > handling the tick, wash hands, clean the bite and watch for signs > of > > illness. > > > > As 's family members mourn, they are preparing for a service > at 2 p.m. > > tomorrow at Memorial Funeral Home. They have asked for donations > to the > > National Lyme Disease Association because they know - through > 's > > letter - how important Lyme disease education can be. > > > > " I hope that whoever reads this letter will have better > understanding of > > what it is like to live like this, " wrote. " Please, I need > all the > > support I can get because I am not getting better only worse. " > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------- > > > > Reach Greg at (573) 815-1723 or gmiller@t... > > > > Copyright © 2006 The Columbia Daily Tribune. > > > > > > > > > For up to date information about Lyme disease and the known co- infections > delivered to your email address see: > Robynns_Lyme_List/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hi , I have no idea what kind of tick I was bitten by. It was tiny and I pulled off dozens and dozens of them many years ago on the farm and on fishing trips. With regard to treatment protocols, I think they are similar to other abx protocols for lyme. Dr. Masters asserts that there are many different strains of lyme and STARI is one in the spectrum of lyme. If you do a google search for " STARI lyme, " you can find out more details. I noticed that the CDC even acknowledges the existance of the disease. be well, cooky > > > I was bitten in Missouri and lyme > > is rampant here. For some reason, very few persons meet the CDC > > criteria but are quite ill. Dr. Masters has dubbed it STARI > > disease. > > cooky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Actually if we were all able to change the name of Lyme disease to something else it would help our cause. The perception that Lyme disease is an easily treated disease is very hard for us to fight. If we changed the name we could give the newly named disease new characteristics. For example if we changed the name to the new bioterrorist disease infecting the nation called CID's (Chronic Imparing Disease) we could easily explain all of the debilitating symptoms and people would easily adopt this new disease as being something that was life threatening and that we as a nation needed to take action against. It worked for Philip . We all know the black cloud that surrounds the manufacturers of cigarettes. So in order to remove that perception from their company they simply changed their name to Altria. Altria sounds like an altruistic name for a company. Almost over night they went from being the cancer causing company to this new benevolent company with a bright future. Do we have any Marketing types in the group? Perception is reality. While this won't fool the CDC it may give us a chance to sway public opinion onto our side. Just a thought. Be well, > > > I was bitten in Missouri and lyme > > is rampant here. For some reason, very few persons meet the CDC > > criteria but are quite ill. Dr. Masters has dubbed it STARI > > disease. > > cooky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Hi , I have thought this for a long time...we need to call it something else besides LD. I hope that we will get better in the area of diagnostics, but that will take time. I think most of us agree, we don't care what it's called, just so we get better and are able to function adaquately. I hate all the politics which surround this disease. It's bad enough to have LD, and then see all the negative press about folks like Drs. J who are doing their best to help. Why the academics and practitioners can't let go of their egos and cooperate is beyond me. I still don't have a firm grasp as to why either camp is so polarized in their positions. cooky > > > > > I was bitten in Missouri and lyme > > > is rampant here. For some reason, very few persons meet the CDC > > > criteria but are quite ill. Dr. Masters has dubbed it STARI > > > disease. > > > cooky > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I agree but what would it be called? CLI? (chronic lyme Infection?) WBD? ( Burgdorferri Disease?) LIDS? (Lyme Immune Dysfunction Syndrome?) Links RobynsTags Robyns IM Group as Garfield Incredimail Group The only person you are destined to become is the person you decide to be. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson -- [ ] Re: Worn down by Lyme - MO Actually if we were all able to change the name of Lyme disease to something else it would help our cause. The perception that Lyme disease is an easily treated disease is very hard for us to fight. If we changed the name we could give the newly named disease new characteristics. For example if we changed the name to the new bioterrorist disease infecting the nation called CID's (Chronic Imparing Disease) we could easily explain all of the debilitating symptoms and people would easily adopt this new disease as being something that was life threatening and that we as a nation needed to take action against. It worked for Philip . We all know the black cloud that surrounds the manufacturers of cigarettes. So in order to remove that perception from their company they simply changed their name to Altria. Altria sounds like an altruistic name for a company. Almost over night they went from being the cancer causing company to this new benevolent company with a bright future. Do we have any Marketing types in the group? Perception is reality. While this won't fool the CDC it may give us a chance to sway public opinion onto our side. Just a thought. Be well, > > > I was bitten in Missouri and lyme > > is rampant here. For some reason, very few persons meet the CDC > > criteria but are quite ill. Dr. Masters has dubbed it STARI > > disease. > > cooky > For up to date information about Lyme disease and the known co-infections delivered to your email address see: Robynns_Lyme_List/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 A name change would probably work, but getting people to accept the name change is a big problem! Some folks with Restless Legs Syndrome tried to change the name, but it didn't take. RLS sounds so benign, yet it can be awful to live with. I suspect we'd have the same problem with Lyme. Jessie > > Actually if we were all able to change the name of Lyme disease to > something else it would help our cause. The perception that Lyme > disease is an easily treated disease is very hard for us to fight. > > If we changed the name we could give the newly named disease new > characteristics. For example if we changed the name to the new > bioterrorist disease infecting the nation called CID's (Chronic > Imparing Disease) we could easily explain all of the debilitating > symptoms and people would easily adopt this new disease as being > something that was life threatening and that we as a nation needed > to take action against. > > It worked for Philip . We all know the black cloud that > surrounds the manufacturers of cigarettes. So in order to remove > that perception from their company they simply changed their name to > Altria. Altria sounds like an altruistic name for a company. > Almost over night they went from being the cancer causing company to > this new benevolent company with a bright future. Do we have any > Marketing types in the group? > > Perception is reality. While this won't fool the CDC it may give us > a chance to sway public opinion onto our side. > > Just a thought. > > Be well, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Ooh, I like LIDS! Jessie > > > > I agree but what would it be called? CLI? (chronic lyme Infection?) WBD? > ( Burgdorferri Disease?) LIDS? (Lyme Immune Dysfunction Syndrome?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > RobynsTags > > Robyns IM Group > > as Garfield Incredimail Group > > > > The only person you are destined > > to become is the person you decide to be. > > ~Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 LIDS... It's crippling America. > > > > > > > > I agree but what would it be called? CLI? (chronic lyme > Infection?) WBD? > > ( Burgdorferri Disease?) LIDS? (Lyme Immune Dysfunction > Syndrome?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > RobynsTags > > > > Robyns IM Group > > > > as Garfield Incredimail Group > > > > > > > > The only person you are destined > > > > to become is the person you decide to be. > > > > ~Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 , I think that is a good idea. But how does one get the name changed? I mean who is in charge of that? Something I have always wondered is why do I hear so many people call it " Lymes " . When I tell people I know about my illness they often say they knew someone who cotnract " Lymes " not " Lyme Disease " . Even on the Reno clinics website a couple of the patients say they have " Lymes " . Why do they say that? That drives me batty! I have talked to people who actually think the disease is caused by Limes as in the fruit. They think it is a food allergy. But then there are some that understand it is related to ticks, but then one friend thought I had ticks living inside me. The public just doesn't know what it is. But they need to know as many are likely undiagnosed or wrongly disagnosed. > > Actually if we were all able to change the name of Lyme disease to > something else it would help our cause. The perception that Lyme > disease is an easily treated disease is very hard for us to fight. > > If we changed the name we could give the newly named disease new > characteristics. For example if we changed the name to the new > bioterrorist disease infecting the nation called CID's (Chronic > Imparing Disease) we could easily explain all of the debilitating > symptoms and people would easily adopt this new disease as being > something that was life threatening and that we as a nation needed > to take action against. >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 How about Burgdorferri Immune Dysfunction? I like the idea of including the name of the organism. Maybe it would help to have less names for illnesses caused by different strains of Bb and group it into one more recognizable illness, instead of having different names like STARI or Masters disease, Tularemia, Colorado tick fever etc. Morgellons may even be Bb yet it is getting cast off as some obscure something. > > > > I agree but what would it be called? CLI? (chronic lyme Infection?) WBD? > ( Burgdorferri Disease?) LIDS? (Lyme Immune Dysfunction Syndrome?) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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