Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hi Connie, Thanks for the extra info. I’m not much of an expert on 504s, but I’m sure someone else will have more information. I’m glad to hear that you have an appointment for next week. How did you daughter feel about taking the meds? It helps so much when they buy into it. I was fortunate that my son was accepting of it. I think he thought it started working right away, so that was good. :-) Each kid is so different with meds. I heard all sorts of stories about Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-) If it helps her, that’s what you can hope for. Good luck next week! Best… _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of conniemarie67 Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Please Help! Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset when they kept her after school! The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, but not for any other work. Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. If they try it again, I will say no! I just didn't want to start anything because they all seem to take up for each other (teachers and principals) I am so upset with this school and teachers, but the other school here is much worse, and I can't afford private school or home schooling. About the meds, she was on prozac and it was helping, but I got afraid of everyone telling me about side effects, that is why i stopped it. I do have an appointment next week to get her back on it cause I'm desperate now. I wish I would have never took her off and I feel really bad about that. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hi Connie, Thanks for the extra info. I’m not much of an expert on 504s, but I’m sure someone else will have more information. I’m glad to hear that you have an appointment for next week. How did you daughter feel about taking the meds? It helps so much when they buy into it. I was fortunate that my son was accepting of it. I think he thought it started working right away, so that was good. :-) Each kid is so different with meds. I heard all sorts of stories about Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-) If it helps her, that’s what you can hope for. Good luck next week! Best… _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of conniemarie67 Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Please Help! Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset when they kept her after school! The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, but not for any other work. Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. If they try it again, I will say no! I just didn't want to start anything because they all seem to take up for each other (teachers and principals) I am so upset with this school and teachers, but the other school here is much worse, and I can't afford private school or home schooling. About the meds, she was on prozac and it was helping, but I got afraid of everyone telling me about side effects, that is why i stopped it. I do have an appointment next week to get her back on it cause I'm desperate now. I wish I would have never took her off and I feel really bad about that. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Yes, she's ok with taking meds again. > > Hi Connie, > > > > Thanks for the extra info. I'm not much of an expert on 504s, but I'm sure > someone else will have more information. > > > > I'm glad to hear that you have an appointment for next week. How did you > daughter feel about taking the meds? It helps so much when they buy into it. > I was fortunate that my son was accepting of it. I think he thought it > started working right away, so that was good. :-) > > > > Each kid is so different with meds. I heard all sorts of stories about > Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is > enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-) If it helps her, > that's what you can hope for. > > > > Good luck next week! > > > > Best… > > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of conniemarie67 > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM > > Subject: Re: Please Help! > > > > Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset when > they kept her after school! > > The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, > but not for any other work. > > Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. > If they try it again, I will say no! I just didn't want to start > anything because they all seem to take up for each other (teachers > and principals) > > I am so upset with this school and teachers, but the other school > here is much worse, and I can't afford private school or home > schooling. > > About the meds, she was on prozac and it was helping, but I got > afraid of everyone telling me about side effects, that is why i > stopped it. > > I do have an appointment next week to get her back on it cause I'm > desperate now. I wish I would have never took her off and I feel > really bad about that. > > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 That's great! Best. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of conniemarie67tst Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Please Help! Yes, she's ok with taking meds again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 That's great! Best. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of conniemarie67tst Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Please Help! Yes, she's ok with taking meds again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hi, Connie. Oh boy. .. .OCD is selective and usually unreasonable. . .That is the nature of it. And just when you think you have figured out what your kid is reacting too, OCD changes. It never seems to make sense and it's always over reactive. You can't speak reason to it (OCD), you just have to boss it back, with therapy, and determine to win. It takes work, but it is worth it. Therapy and meds, one or both, will not always make it go away, and even if it does, it will most likely come back (the waxing and waning part of OCD), but both or either thing can improve your child's life. It won't happen overnight though. Both take time to work. Sometimes both are needed, depending on the child. Our son needs both, for now. To punish the child for something the OCD is causing them to do, is never going to help. In our case, it made things much worse for our son. He was in a similar situation at a school, with the teacher punishing him regularly. So, getting that info (the other person suggested) to the teacher is a great start. In our case, we opted to pull him out of public school and homeschool him. We are on our 9th year, and it was a blessing for us. In answer to your question, it sounds like to me that your daughter definitely has OCD. Our son, who has germ issues, will cover his face in public, washes his hands whenever he has touched anything the considers germy (one I kind of like - lol ), freak out if someone coughs or sneezes, opens doors with his hand inside of his shirt or coat, etc. Yet, get this, (we've had words over this) if food falls on the floor, he will pick it up and eat it. He can't even explain it. Yet, he HAS OCD. It is selective to what it decides is germy. It doesn't make sense, but it is also something our son can't help. All he can do is the exposure therapy to try to fight it and gain control over it. There are some great books available, Connie, that can help you educate yourself to OCD. It helps to understand what your daughter is dealing with. Here are a few names: Freeing Your Child from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder by Tamar Chansky What to do When your Child had Obsessive Compulsive Disorder by Aureen Pinto Wagner Talking Back to OCD by S. March Helping Your Child with OCD by Lee Fitzgibbons and Cherry Pedrick The last two are workbooks that give instructions on how to boss the OCD back. But, they also have good information about just what OCD is and what it does to the person who has it. The first time I read some of this stuff, I cried, thinking about this is what our son is dealing with. But, as I continued to read, it also gave me hope that something could help. I don't like our son on meds either, Connie. He has side effects, one major one being weight gain. We took him off for a period of 8 months and he relapsed into a really bad episode of his OCD. He is back on them, because he couldn't live on the sofa in the fetal position, white faced and clenched, where he wasn't sleeping or eating, or even communicating for that matter. Sometimes they are just needed. But, I do understand you not wanting her on them. I hope something I shared helped. Best to you, BJ > > My daughter has OCD. She is 9 years old. She was on meds, but I took > her off last year because I didn't want her on it. The OCD wasn't > bothering her at school. > > Well, this year when she started back at school, she has gotten worse > and now at school it's really bad. > She won't hold her paper with her left hand cause she keeps it in her > pocket to keep it " clean " . At home, she can't eat near anyone if > they're talking because they are " spitting " in her food. > > so the teachers were kinda helpful at first, until last weekend we > had a school festival at school and my daughter was playing in the > dirt and the teacher saw that and now says she's making up being > afraid of germs because she was playing in dirt. > > I asked my daughter why playing in the dirt didn't bother her, and > she said because she didn't think anyone " spit " there. > > Now the teacher has even made her stay after school cause she was too > slow to finish a work sheet, and she seems rude now. > > does playing in the dirt mean my daughter dosen't have ocd? If so, > then why is she constantly washing her hands and not using the > bathroom at school ALL DAY EVERY DAY, and keeping her left hand clean > and worring about people spitting? > I'm trying to understand too i guess,and i'm asking the forum to see > if any of your children ever do something like this out of the > ordinary (like the dirt thing)for kids with OCD. > > Thank you, Connie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hi, Connie. Oh boy. .. .OCD is selective and usually unreasonable. . .That is the nature of it. And just when you think you have figured out what your kid is reacting too, OCD changes. It never seems to make sense and it's always over reactive. You can't speak reason to it (OCD), you just have to boss it back, with therapy, and determine to win. It takes work, but it is worth it. Therapy and meds, one or both, will not always make it go away, and even if it does, it will most likely come back (the waxing and waning part of OCD), but both or either thing can improve your child's life. It won't happen overnight though. Both take time to work. Sometimes both are needed, depending on the child. Our son needs both, for now. To punish the child for something the OCD is causing them to do, is never going to help. In our case, it made things much worse for our son. He was in a similar situation at a school, with the teacher punishing him regularly. So, getting that info (the other person suggested) to the teacher is a great start. In our case, we opted to pull him out of public school and homeschool him. We are on our 9th year, and it was a blessing for us. In answer to your question, it sounds like to me that your daughter definitely has OCD. Our son, who has germ issues, will cover his face in public, washes his hands whenever he has touched anything the considers germy (one I kind of like - lol ), freak out if someone coughs or sneezes, opens doors with his hand inside of his shirt or coat, etc. Yet, get this, (we've had words over this) if food falls on the floor, he will pick it up and eat it. He can't even explain it. Yet, he HAS OCD. It is selective to what it decides is germy. It doesn't make sense, but it is also something our son can't help. All he can do is the exposure therapy to try to fight it and gain control over it. There are some great books available, Connie, that can help you educate yourself to OCD. It helps to understand what your daughter is dealing with. Here are a few names: Freeing Your Child from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder by Tamar Chansky What to do When your Child had Obsessive Compulsive Disorder by Aureen Pinto Wagner Talking Back to OCD by S. March Helping Your Child with OCD by Lee Fitzgibbons and Cherry Pedrick The last two are workbooks that give instructions on how to boss the OCD back. But, they also have good information about just what OCD is and what it does to the person who has it. The first time I read some of this stuff, I cried, thinking about this is what our son is dealing with. But, as I continued to read, it also gave me hope that something could help. I don't like our son on meds either, Connie. He has side effects, one major one being weight gain. We took him off for a period of 8 months and he relapsed into a really bad episode of his OCD. He is back on them, because he couldn't live on the sofa in the fetal position, white faced and clenched, where he wasn't sleeping or eating, or even communicating for that matter. Sometimes they are just needed. But, I do understand you not wanting her on them. I hope something I shared helped. Best to you, BJ > > My daughter has OCD. She is 9 years old. She was on meds, but I took > her off last year because I didn't want her on it. The OCD wasn't > bothering her at school. > > Well, this year when she started back at school, she has gotten worse > and now at school it's really bad. > She won't hold her paper with her left hand cause she keeps it in her > pocket to keep it " clean " . At home, she can't eat near anyone if > they're talking because they are " spitting " in her food. > > so the teachers were kinda helpful at first, until last weekend we > had a school festival at school and my daughter was playing in the > dirt and the teacher saw that and now says she's making up being > afraid of germs because she was playing in dirt. > > I asked my daughter why playing in the dirt didn't bother her, and > she said because she didn't think anyone " spit " there. > > Now the teacher has even made her stay after school cause she was too > slow to finish a work sheet, and she seems rude now. > > does playing in the dirt mean my daughter dosen't have ocd? If so, > then why is she constantly washing her hands and not using the > bathroom at school ALL DAY EVERY DAY, and keeping her left hand clean > and worring about people spitting? > I'm trying to understand too i guess,and i'm asking the forum to see > if any of your children ever do something like this out of the > ordinary (like the dirt thing)for kids with OCD. > > Thank you, Connie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Connie, Your daughter can play in the dirt and still have OCD. If this disease were sane, it would be easier to treat. My son is deathly afraid of buttons and can't wear them, touch them or be in air they've been though, but he has no trouble playing any sport with kids wearing buttons, and it won't bother him. I had a p-doc say my son didn't seem like an OCD kid with contamination issues because he wasn't bothered by sticky substances. We weren't with him very long. Anyway, your daughter's teacher needs an education, and quickly! How dare she start to punish a child who has no control over her disease. This teacher needs to understand that OCD is a disease just like diabetes and she can't blame the sufferer, or pretend to know anything about this disease when she has no idea what she's talking about. Sorry...I'm having a bad day and this seemed like a good chance to vent. conniemarie67 <conniemarie67@...> wrote: My daughter has OCD. She is 9 years old. She was on meds, but I took her off last year because I didn't want her on it. The OCD wasn't bothering her at school. Well, this year when she started back at school, she has gotten worse and now at school it's really bad. She won't hold her paper with her left hand cause she keeps it in her pocket to keep it " clean " . At home, she can't eat near anyone if they're talking because they are " spitting " in her food. so the teachers were kinda helpful at first, until last weekend we had a school festival at school and my daughter was playing in the dirt and the teacher saw that and now says she's making up being afraid of germs because she was playing in dirt. I asked my daughter why playing in the dirt didn't bother her, and she said because she didn't think anyone " spit " there. Now the teacher has even made her stay after school cause she was too slow to finish a work sheet, and she seems rude now. does playing in the dirt mean my daughter dosen't have ocd? If so, then why is she constantly washing her hands and not using the bathroom at school ALL DAY EVERY DAY, and keeping her left hand clean and worring about people spitting? I'm trying to understand too i guess,and i'm asking the forum to see if any of your children ever do something like this out of the ordinary (like the dirt thing)for kids with OCD. Thank you, Connie --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Connie, Your daughter can play in the dirt and still have OCD. If this disease were sane, it would be easier to treat. My son is deathly afraid of buttons and can't wear them, touch them or be in air they've been though, but he has no trouble playing any sport with kids wearing buttons, and it won't bother him. I had a p-doc say my son didn't seem like an OCD kid with contamination issues because he wasn't bothered by sticky substances. We weren't with him very long. Anyway, your daughter's teacher needs an education, and quickly! How dare she start to punish a child who has no control over her disease. This teacher needs to understand that OCD is a disease just like diabetes and she can't blame the sufferer, or pretend to know anything about this disease when she has no idea what she's talking about. Sorry...I'm having a bad day and this seemed like a good chance to vent. conniemarie67 <conniemarie67@...> wrote: My daughter has OCD. She is 9 years old. She was on meds, but I took her off last year because I didn't want her on it. The OCD wasn't bothering her at school. Well, this year when she started back at school, she has gotten worse and now at school it's really bad. She won't hold her paper with her left hand cause she keeps it in her pocket to keep it " clean " . At home, she can't eat near anyone if they're talking because they are " spitting " in her food. so the teachers were kinda helpful at first, until last weekend we had a school festival at school and my daughter was playing in the dirt and the teacher saw that and now says she's making up being afraid of germs because she was playing in dirt. I asked my daughter why playing in the dirt didn't bother her, and she said because she didn't think anyone " spit " there. Now the teacher has even made her stay after school cause she was too slow to finish a work sheet, and she seems rude now. does playing in the dirt mean my daughter dosen't have ocd? If so, then why is she constantly washing her hands and not using the bathroom at school ALL DAY EVERY DAY, and keeping her left hand clean and worring about people spitting? I'm trying to understand too i guess,and i'm asking the forum to see if any of your children ever do something like this out of the ordinary (like the dirt thing)for kids with OCD. Thank you, Connie --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 <<<I heard all sorts of stories about Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-)>>> Possibly true (lol), but not always. I had a severe reaction to Imitrex (for migraines) that caused me to have a stroke and caused heart damage. I ended up in ICU. It altered my life permanently. My left side is still weak and I have ongoing heart problems, but I never saw a dime. Lawyers first told me that there was no way to prove it was the Imitrex. I was thinking, " Duh, took the Imitrex. . Ended up in the hospital with problems I'd never had before. " Later when others started coming forward with similar problems after taking Imitrex, lawyers told me it was too late to do anything about it. So much for lawyers. <shrug> But, you are right, if you read the side effects, you will never take anything again. ;o) Scares a person to death. BJ > > Hi Connie, > > > > Thanks for the extra info. I'm not much of an expert on 504s, but I'm sure > someone else will have more information. > > > > I'm glad to hear that you have an appointment for next week. How did you > daughter feel about taking the meds? It helps so much when they buy into it. > I was fortunate that my son was accepting of it. I think he thought it > started working right away, so that was good. :-) > > > > Each kid is so different with meds. I heard all sorts of stories about > Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is > enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-) If it helps her, > that's what you can hope for. > > > > Good luck next week! > > > > Best… > > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of conniemarie67 > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM > > Subject: Re: Please Help! > > > > Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset when > they kept her after school! > > The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, > but not for any other work. > > Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. > If they try it again, I will say no! I just didn't want to start > anything because they all seem to take up for each other (teachers > and principals) > > I am so upset with this school and teachers, but the other school > here is much worse, and I can't afford private school or home > schooling. > > About the meds, she was on prozac and it was helping, but I got > afraid of everyone telling me about side effects, that is why i > stopped it. > > I do have an appointment next week to get her back on it cause I'm > desperate now. I wish I would have never took her off and I feel > really bad about that. > > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 <<<I heard all sorts of stories about Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-)>>> Possibly true (lol), but not always. I had a severe reaction to Imitrex (for migraines) that caused me to have a stroke and caused heart damage. I ended up in ICU. It altered my life permanently. My left side is still weak and I have ongoing heart problems, but I never saw a dime. Lawyers first told me that there was no way to prove it was the Imitrex. I was thinking, " Duh, took the Imitrex. . Ended up in the hospital with problems I'd never had before. " Later when others started coming forward with similar problems after taking Imitrex, lawyers told me it was too late to do anything about it. So much for lawyers. <shrug> But, you are right, if you read the side effects, you will never take anything again. ;o) Scares a person to death. BJ > > Hi Connie, > > > > Thanks for the extra info. I'm not much of an expert on 504s, but I'm sure > someone else will have more information. > > > > I'm glad to hear that you have an appointment for next week. How did you > daughter feel about taking the meds? It helps so much when they buy into it. > I was fortunate that my son was accepting of it. I think he thought it > started working right away, so that was good. :-) > > > > Each kid is so different with meds. I heard all sorts of stories about > Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is > enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-) If it helps her, > that's what you can hope for. > > > > Good luck next week! > > > > Best… > > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of conniemarie67 > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM > > Subject: Re: Please Help! > > > > Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset when > they kept her after school! > > The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, > but not for any other work. > > Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. > If they try it again, I will say no! I just didn't want to start > anything because they all seem to take up for each other (teachers > and principals) > > I am so upset with this school and teachers, but the other school > here is much worse, and I can't afford private school or home > schooling. > > About the meds, she was on prozac and it was helping, but I got > afraid of everyone telling me about side effects, that is why i > stopped it. > > I do have an appointment next week to get her back on it cause I'm > desperate now. I wish I would have never took her off and I feel > really bad about that. > > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Thank You! You have made me feel much better. Now I know having OCD dosen't mean you're afraid of ALL germs. I'm just worried now,because the teacher had to fill out a form on my daughter for the dr, and I'm afraid she may have said that she thinks she's making up the ocd because of playing in the dirt, and she tells the dr that and they won't help her. > > > > My daughter has OCD. She is 9 years old. She was on meds, but I took > > her off last year because I didn't want her on it. The OCD wasn't > > bothering her at school. > > > > Well, this year when she started back at school, she has gotten worse > > and now at school it's really bad. > > She won't hold her paper with her left hand cause she keeps it in her > > pocket to keep it " clean " . At home, she can't eat near anyone if > > they're talking because they are " spitting " in her food. > > > > so the teachers were kinda helpful at first, until last weekend we > > had a school festival at school and my daughter was playing in the > > dirt and the teacher saw that and now says she's making up being > > afraid of germs because she was playing in dirt. > > > > I asked my daughter why playing in the dirt didn't bother her, and > > she said because she didn't think anyone " spit " there. > > > > Now the teacher has even made her stay after school cause she was too > > slow to finish a work sheet, and she seems rude now. > > > > does playing in the dirt mean my daughter dosen't have ocd? If so, > > then why is she constantly washing her hands and not using the > > bathroom at school ALL DAY EVERY DAY, and keeping her left hand clean > > and worring about people spitting? > > I'm trying to understand too i guess,and i'm asking the forum to see > > if any of your children ever do something like this out of the > > ordinary (like the dirt thing)for kids with OCD. > > > > Thank you, Connie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Thank You! You have made me feel much better. Now I know having OCD dosen't mean you're afraid of ALL germs. I'm just worried now,because the teacher had to fill out a form on my daughter for the dr, and I'm afraid she may have said that she thinks she's making up the ocd because of playing in the dirt, and she tells the dr that and they won't help her. > > > > My daughter has OCD. She is 9 years old. She was on meds, but I took > > her off last year because I didn't want her on it. The OCD wasn't > > bothering her at school. > > > > Well, this year when she started back at school, she has gotten worse > > and now at school it's really bad. > > She won't hold her paper with her left hand cause she keeps it in her > > pocket to keep it " clean " . At home, she can't eat near anyone if > > they're talking because they are " spitting " in her food. > > > > so the teachers were kinda helpful at first, until last weekend we > > had a school festival at school and my daughter was playing in the > > dirt and the teacher saw that and now says she's making up being > > afraid of germs because she was playing in dirt. > > > > I asked my daughter why playing in the dirt didn't bother her, and > > she said because she didn't think anyone " spit " there. > > > > Now the teacher has even made her stay after school cause she was too > > slow to finish a work sheet, and she seems rude now. > > > > does playing in the dirt mean my daughter dosen't have ocd? If so, > > then why is she constantly washing her hands and not using the > > bathroom at school ALL DAY EVERY DAY, and keeping her left hand clean > > and worring about people spitting? > > I'm trying to understand too i guess,and i'm asking the forum to see > > if any of your children ever do something like this out of the > > ordinary (like the dirt thing)for kids with OCD. > > > > Thank you, Connie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Oh my gosh, BJ, I'm so sorry that happened to you! You're right - not everyone can take any old medicine. My mom is very sensitive to medications, and she also reads ALL the side effects. Yes, when my son started his Luvox, I kept a *very* close eye on him for while. I was nervous about it, for sure. Best. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of svdbyhislove Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Please Help! <<<I heard all sorts of stories about Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-)>>> Possibly true (lol), but not always. I had a severe reaction to Imitrex (for migraines) that caused me to have a stroke and caused heart damage. I ended up in ICU. It altered my life permanently. My left side is still weak and I have ongoing heart problems, but I never saw a dime. Lawyers first told me that there was no way to prove it was the Imitrex. I was thinking, " Duh, took the Imitrex. . Ended up in the hospital with problems I'd never had before. " Later when others started coming forward with similar problems after taking Imitrex, lawyers told me it was too late to do anything about it. So much for lawyers. <shrug> But, you are right, if you read the side effects, you will never take anything again. ;o) Scares a person to death. BJ > > Hi Connie, > > > > Thanks for the extra info. I'm not much of an expert on 504s, but I'm sure > someone else will have more information. > > > > I'm glad to hear that you have an appointment for next week. How did you > daughter feel about taking the meds? It helps so much when they buy into it. > I was fortunate that my son was accepting of it. I think he thought it > started working right away, so that was good. :-) > > > > Each kid is so different with meds. I heard all sorts of stories about > Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is > enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-) If it helps her, > that's what you can hope for. > > > > Good luck next week! > > > > Best. > > > > _____ > > From: @ <mailto:%40> > [mailto:@ <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of conniemarie67 > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM > @ <mailto:%40> > Subject: Re: Please Help! > > > > Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset when > they kept her after school! > > The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, > but not for any other work. > > Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. > If they try it again, I will say no! I just didn't want to start > anything because they all seem to take up for each other (teachers > and principals) > > I am so upset with this school and teachers, but the other school > here is much worse, and I can't afford private school or home > schooling. > > About the meds, she was on prozac and it was helping, but I got > afraid of everyone telling me about side effects, that is why i > stopped it. > > I do have an appointment next week to get her back on it cause I'm > desperate now. I wish I would have never took her off and I feel > really bad about that. > > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Oh my gosh, BJ, I'm so sorry that happened to you! You're right - not everyone can take any old medicine. My mom is very sensitive to medications, and she also reads ALL the side effects. Yes, when my son started his Luvox, I kept a *very* close eye on him for while. I was nervous about it, for sure. Best. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of svdbyhislove Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Please Help! <<<I heard all sorts of stories about Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-)>>> Possibly true (lol), but not always. I had a severe reaction to Imitrex (for migraines) that caused me to have a stroke and caused heart damage. I ended up in ICU. It altered my life permanently. My left side is still weak and I have ongoing heart problems, but I never saw a dime. Lawyers first told me that there was no way to prove it was the Imitrex. I was thinking, " Duh, took the Imitrex. . Ended up in the hospital with problems I'd never had before. " Later when others started coming forward with similar problems after taking Imitrex, lawyers told me it was too late to do anything about it. So much for lawyers. <shrug> But, you are right, if you read the side effects, you will never take anything again. ;o) Scares a person to death. BJ > > Hi Connie, > > > > Thanks for the extra info. I'm not much of an expert on 504s, but I'm sure > someone else will have more information. > > > > I'm glad to hear that you have an appointment for next week. How did you > daughter feel about taking the meds? It helps so much when they buy into it. > I was fortunate that my son was accepting of it. I think he thought it > started working right away, so that was good. :-) > > > > Each kid is so different with meds. I heard all sorts of stories about > Luvox, and the side effects literature on everything, even aspirin, is > enough to make you crawl in a closet. Lawyers, I think. :-) If it helps her, > that's what you can hope for. > > > > Good luck next week! > > > > Best. > > > > _____ > > From: @ <mailto:%40> > [mailto:@ <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of conniemarie67 > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM > @ <mailto:%40> > Subject: Re: Please Help! > > > > Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset when > they kept her after school! > > The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, > but not for any other work. > > Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. > If they try it again, I will say no! I just didn't want to start > anything because they all seem to take up for each other (teachers > and principals) > > I am so upset with this school and teachers, but the other school > here is much worse, and I can't afford private school or home > schooling. > > About the meds, she was on prozac and it was helping, but I got > afraid of everyone telling me about side effects, that is why i > stopped it. > > I do have an appointment next week to get her back on it cause I'm > desperate now. I wish I would have never took her off and I feel > really bad about that. > > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hi Donna, We had in my son's 504 Plan that he could bring home all unfinished work. Maybe you can get this put in her's. He was in 6th grade when his OCD began (he's now 18). We also had that he could turn in work late with no grade penalty ( " how " late varied with teachers). OCD is never logical. Your daughter could be washing her hands all day due to germs but then pick up some candy from the floor and eat it. Germs/contamination doesn't have to carry over to everything, and that includes playing in the dirt. As to logic, why just her left hand and not her right too? I guess that I would tell the teachers that OCD is not logical and they will just have to take your word on what is OCD and what isn't. And I definitely have felt the same as you regarding school personnel always taking up for each other. Hang in there! > > Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset when > they kept her after school! > > The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, > but not for any other work. > > Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hi Donna, We had in my son's 504 Plan that he could bring home all unfinished work. Maybe you can get this put in her's. He was in 6th grade when his OCD began (he's now 18). We also had that he could turn in work late with no grade penalty ( " how " late varied with teachers). OCD is never logical. Your daughter could be washing her hands all day due to germs but then pick up some candy from the floor and eat it. Germs/contamination doesn't have to carry over to everything, and that includes playing in the dirt. As to logic, why just her left hand and not her right too? I guess that I would tell the teachers that OCD is not logical and they will just have to take your word on what is OCD and what isn't. And I definitely have felt the same as you regarding school personnel always taking up for each other. Hang in there! > > Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset when > they kept her after school! > > The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, > but not for any other work. > > Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 YES! Like I would actually " make up " her having OCD. If they only knew how I wish to GOD she didn't! > > > > Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset > when > > they kept her after school! > > > > The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, > > but not for any other work. > > > > Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 YES! Like I would actually " make up " her having OCD. If they only knew how I wish to GOD she didn't! > > > > Thanks for writting. She is on 504, and has been! I was so upset > when > > they kept her after school! > > > > The 504 lady said they could keep her after school for no homework, > > but not for any other work. > > > > Well, they did yesterday! and i found that out after they kept her. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 My 11 year old son also has a big fear of germs and the school bathroom, but spends all recess time digging in the dirt and picking up bits of metal. Somehow, the attraction of them outweighs the germiness. It isn't a logical disease, if logic were working, it wouldn't be OCD. Certainly, telling my son he's more likely to get sick picking up dirty bits of metal than using the school bathroom won't change his behavior. We also struggled to avoid meds, but got to the point we couldn't get to school without them. I did have to go to my son's principal about his teacher's behaviors and how they affected his OCD. The stress of dealing with a teacher who punished for behaviors caused by OCD and ADD was increasing my son's OCD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 My 11 year old son also has a big fear of germs and the school bathroom, but spends all recess time digging in the dirt and picking up bits of metal. Somehow, the attraction of them outweighs the germiness. It isn't a logical disease, if logic were working, it wouldn't be OCD. Certainly, telling my son he's more likely to get sick picking up dirty bits of metal than using the school bathroom won't change his behavior. We also struggled to avoid meds, but got to the point we couldn't get to school without them. I did have to go to my son's principal about his teacher's behaviors and how they affected his OCD. The stress of dealing with a teacher who punished for behaviors caused by OCD and ADD was increasing my son's OCD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Hi Connie, That's typical of OCD - there is no logic to it. My daughter freaks out if she sees a crumb on the carpet or if a little stone or blade of grass is on the bottom of her shoe - walked around on tippy toes for a while at school so she wouldn't get germs on her shoes - yet ate someone else's spilt slurpy off the ground at school - work that one out! A child might have an obsession about germs, but the obsessions are never rational. > > My daughter has OCD. She is 9 years old. She was on meds, but I took > her off last year because I didn't want her on it. The OCD wasn't > bothering her at school. > > Well, this year when she started back at school, she has gotten worse > and now at school it's really bad. > She won't hold her paper with her left hand cause she keeps it in her > pocket to keep it " clean " . At home, she can't eat near anyone if > they're talking because they are " spitting " in her food. > > so the teachers were kinda helpful at first, until last weekend we > had a school festival at school and my daughter was playing in the > dirt and the teacher saw that and now says she's making up being > afraid of germs because she was playing in dirt. > > I asked my daughter why playing in the dirt didn't bother her, and > she said because she didn't think anyone " spit " there. > > Now the teacher has even made her stay after school cause she was too > slow to finish a work sheet, and she seems rude now. > > does playing in the dirt mean my daughter dosen't have ocd? If so, > then why is she constantly washing her hands and not using the > bathroom at school ALL DAY EVERY DAY, and keeping her left hand clean > and worring about people spitting? > I'm trying to understand too i guess,and i'm asking the forum to see > if any of your children ever do something like this out of the > ordinary (like the dirt thing)for kids with OCD. > > Thank you, Connie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Hi Connie, That's typical of OCD - there is no logic to it. My daughter freaks out if she sees a crumb on the carpet or if a little stone or blade of grass is on the bottom of her shoe - walked around on tippy toes for a while at school so she wouldn't get germs on her shoes - yet ate someone else's spilt slurpy off the ground at school - work that one out! A child might have an obsession about germs, but the obsessions are never rational. > > My daughter has OCD. She is 9 years old. She was on meds, but I took > her off last year because I didn't want her on it. The OCD wasn't > bothering her at school. > > Well, this year when she started back at school, she has gotten worse > and now at school it's really bad. > She won't hold her paper with her left hand cause she keeps it in her > pocket to keep it " clean " . At home, she can't eat near anyone if > they're talking because they are " spitting " in her food. > > so the teachers were kinda helpful at first, until last weekend we > had a school festival at school and my daughter was playing in the > dirt and the teacher saw that and now says she's making up being > afraid of germs because she was playing in dirt. > > I asked my daughter why playing in the dirt didn't bother her, and > she said because she didn't think anyone " spit " there. > > Now the teacher has even made her stay after school cause she was too > slow to finish a work sheet, and she seems rude now. > > does playing in the dirt mean my daughter dosen't have ocd? If so, > then why is she constantly washing her hands and not using the > bathroom at school ALL DAY EVERY DAY, and keeping her left hand clean > and worring about people spitting? > I'm trying to understand too i guess,and i'm asking the forum to see > if any of your children ever do something like this out of the > ordinary (like the dirt thing)for kids with OCD. > > Thank you, Connie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 meyfrog wrote: > Question #1: > > I am blending now, and need ADVICE. Filtering...does it usually need > to be done when doing multi-essence formulas? I thought it only had > to be done if using a concrete or wax...I am finding much sediment > even when blending with absolutes & EOs! Secondly, is it best to > filter AFTER the resting period...as to let everything marry before > one filters it out? Meyfrog.... It all depends.... I am not a pro...... But I've always waited until it " smelled " right until I filter.... Marrying can and does go on beyond that....soemtimes months, even.... > > Question #2: > > Un-denatured 190-200 proog grain alcohol. WHERE CAN I ORDER IT? If you check the archives...you'll find a couple, at least, of sources.... Depending on where you live...you might find various hassles..... Here in WI, until last couple of years, one could find 190 proof vodka, but the 190 (aka 95%) Everclear was not available... This has changed..... The vodka is not as rough (Brand I've had is Ambur) as the Everclear.... I dunno about 200 proof (100%) stuff..... As far as I know, that last 5% has to be pulled out chemically..... Commercial stills can't do that.... I could be wrong about that..... Many EO and abs will mate with 75% (or 150 proof) alcohol.... Do *not* use denatured...... The hardware store stuff usually has a list of nasty things added to it.... It's for thinning certain paints and other things, and works well for that.... There's also 91% isopropyl out there..... This is good stuff to clean things with.... > > QUESTION #3: > > I doubled my head note proportions in a solid blend formula as Mandy > suggests in E & A, thus taking away over HALF of the volume of the > proportions of my heart and base notes...and the finished product > DEFINITELY has a top chord...but almost has NOTHING else! It quickly > fades, and one hardly, if at all, catches the heart and base notes! > I am going back and revamping this...while still using MORE top notes > than usual...I am adding back some to my heart & base, to better > round out my blend, and give it some body and intensity! Anybody > else have an opinion on this??? I am going from the doubled ratio of > 5:3:12=20 drops(base:middle:top), to a more rounded out one of > 7:5:8. I think this will be MUCH better! I used vanilla & amber - > rose & boronia - blood orange & bergamot & black pepper in the > blend. It's quite nice. I can provide the exact recipe if anyone's > interested! ;-) I haven't read Mandy's E & A....but it's one of me Christmas presents to meself.... I suspect you are now gonna learn how to be an NP artist.... Recipe stuff is fine....it'll get ya to somewheres near where you want to be.... But you have to put *your* signature on it...... That's what NP is all about.... I have something I started out with Wild Turkey 101.......(50.5%)..... I've been tweaking it for about a year...... It's not *quite* right..... Uhhhhh....it's OK.....but........ Haven't filtered it yet.....has ambrette seeds and all kindsa stuff in it.... Civet, even.... And lots of what's been added is things in Ambur...... TIME....! One of my other interests is ancient coins.... There's a number of ways to clean them, but the least violating method is to soak them in olive oil.... This can take years..... The coins taught me patience... Silver gets through the millenia pretty well.....And if ya have a blotch or two.... Household ammonia will get almost anything, unless it's gone to horn silver...aka the purple yuck.... Yer screwed, then.... And even if ya get it clean, ya have to rinse it forever.... The bronzes are different..... Acids and bases mostly only wipe them out.... Electro cleaning, same thing.... So....olive oil....long term....once a month, take them out and toothbrush them in Dawn or Joy dish liquid dilution........ My Turkey 101 base juice has had a 2 month hiatus..... Will be checking it soon.... Hey...EO and Essences in alky have time on their side.... -- W. Bourbonais L'Hermite Aromatique A.J.P. (GIA) P.S. I think guys should have perfumes also.... Yeah...I've seen the recent Axe or whatever commercials and such..... Syn stuff.... Lotsa crap on the Net about pheromones.... See....it isn't *fair* if only the ladies get to smell alluring..... Me....any lady what smells jasmine...... *WOW*.... I'll lay down me soul.... Though, I admit..... Old Spice is one of the best ever..... They useda hava an Old Spice Lime..... It's gone away.... *WRONG*.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 meyfrog wrote: > Question #1: > > I am blending now, and need ADVICE. Filtering...does it usually need > to be done when doing multi-essence formulas? I thought it only had > to be done if using a concrete or wax...I am finding much sediment > even when blending with absolutes & EOs! Secondly, is it best to > filter AFTER the resting period...as to let everything marry before > one filters it out? Meyfrog.... It all depends.... I am not a pro...... But I've always waited until it " smelled " right until I filter.... Marrying can and does go on beyond that....soemtimes months, even.... > > Question #2: > > Un-denatured 190-200 proog grain alcohol. WHERE CAN I ORDER IT? If you check the archives...you'll find a couple, at least, of sources.... Depending on where you live...you might find various hassles..... Here in WI, until last couple of years, one could find 190 proof vodka, but the 190 (aka 95%) Everclear was not available... This has changed..... The vodka is not as rough (Brand I've had is Ambur) as the Everclear.... I dunno about 200 proof (100%) stuff..... As far as I know, that last 5% has to be pulled out chemically..... Commercial stills can't do that.... I could be wrong about that..... Many EO and abs will mate with 75% (or 150 proof) alcohol.... Do *not* use denatured...... The hardware store stuff usually has a list of nasty things added to it.... It's for thinning certain paints and other things, and works well for that.... There's also 91% isopropyl out there..... This is good stuff to clean things with.... > > QUESTION #3: > > I doubled my head note proportions in a solid blend formula as Mandy > suggests in E & A, thus taking away over HALF of the volume of the > proportions of my heart and base notes...and the finished product > DEFINITELY has a top chord...but almost has NOTHING else! It quickly > fades, and one hardly, if at all, catches the heart and base notes! > I am going back and revamping this...while still using MORE top notes > than usual...I am adding back some to my heart & base, to better > round out my blend, and give it some body and intensity! Anybody > else have an opinion on this??? I am going from the doubled ratio of > 5:3:12=20 drops(base:middle:top), to a more rounded out one of > 7:5:8. I think this will be MUCH better! I used vanilla & amber - > rose & boronia - blood orange & bergamot & black pepper in the > blend. It's quite nice. I can provide the exact recipe if anyone's > interested! ;-) I haven't read Mandy's E & A....but it's one of me Christmas presents to meself.... I suspect you are now gonna learn how to be an NP artist.... Recipe stuff is fine....it'll get ya to somewheres near where you want to be.... But you have to put *your* signature on it...... That's what NP is all about.... I have something I started out with Wild Turkey 101.......(50.5%)..... I've been tweaking it for about a year...... It's not *quite* right..... Uhhhhh....it's OK.....but........ Haven't filtered it yet.....has ambrette seeds and all kindsa stuff in it.... Civet, even.... And lots of what's been added is things in Ambur...... TIME....! One of my other interests is ancient coins.... There's a number of ways to clean them, but the least violating method is to soak them in olive oil.... This can take years..... The coins taught me patience... Silver gets through the millenia pretty well.....And if ya have a blotch or two.... Household ammonia will get almost anything, unless it's gone to horn silver...aka the purple yuck.... Yer screwed, then.... And even if ya get it clean, ya have to rinse it forever.... The bronzes are different..... Acids and bases mostly only wipe them out.... Electro cleaning, same thing.... So....olive oil....long term....once a month, take them out and toothbrush them in Dawn or Joy dish liquid dilution........ My Turkey 101 base juice has had a 2 month hiatus..... Will be checking it soon.... Hey...EO and Essences in alky have time on their side.... -- W. Bourbonais L'Hermite Aromatique A.J.P. (GIA) P.S. I think guys should have perfumes also.... Yeah...I've seen the recent Axe or whatever commercials and such..... Syn stuff.... Lotsa crap on the Net about pheromones.... See....it isn't *fair* if only the ladies get to smell alluring..... Me....any lady what smells jasmine...... *WOW*.... I'll lay down me soul.... Though, I admit..... Old Spice is one of the best ever..... They useda hava an Old Spice Lime..... It's gone away.... *WRONG*.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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