Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Where is this stated because in New York we do sign the IEP's. Loree Re: Please Help! In a message dated 4/12/2004 10:18:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, heyoc@... writes: FYI, never, ever, sign an IEP. There is no legal necessity for it. This has been clarified both by OSEP, and here in NY by NYSED. Kerry, here in VA parental consent is necessary to obtain or change related services thru an IEP. Change of placement requires parental consent or due process must be initiated by school system if consent is not given (unlike some states where they can change placement without consent and parents must go to due process to change placement back) So you may be speaking of signatures unnecessary to implement IEP but state regs (which vary from each state) might make in necessary for parents to sign in order to have services start or stop. Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 I would also think that if you didn't sign THEY could also change their mind about what is in the IEP> It is a safety for both sides of the team. Loree Re: Please Help! > Dunno about that, cause if I agree and am part of the team I always sign. I > dont sign if changes need to be made, etc. We only do sign the attendance > page, actually and not any other part of the IEP. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 In a message dated 4/13/2004 12:43:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wildwards@... writes: > In a message dated 4/13/2004 11:47:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > loree5@... writes: > We only do sign the attendance > > page, actually and not any other part of the IEP. > You have no statement you sign that you give permission to implement the IEP > > or that you agree with the IEP as written? > Yes. I had this major argument with a lot of folks after his initial CSE meeting, because they claimed I agreed to an IEP and I knew I had only signed an attendance sheet. You sign an agreement to the placement in a class but the only page for parents to sign on a NYC IEP is the first one that is an attendance sheet. I have a few 'drafts' of IEPS on which one of the other people in the room have written " Attended, but refused to sign " by my name. Kathy, Liam's mom( 6) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Just be careful, because each state has their own regulations regarding special education and you must consider what they say. Kansas, Virginia, NY ... all different. The feds give them the right to be different.... read section (d) Cheryl in VA §300.505 Parental consent. (a) General. (1) Subject to paragraphs (a)(3), ( and © of this section, informed parent consent must be obtained before— (i) Conducting an initial evaluation or reevaluation; and (ii) Initial provision of special education and related services to a child with a disability. (2) Consent for initial evaluation may not be construed as consent for initial placement described in paragraph (a)(1)(ii) of this section. (3) Parental consent is not required before— (i) Reviewing existing data as part of an evaluation or a reevaluation; or (ii) Administering a test or other evaluation that is administered to all children unless, before administration of that test or evaluation, consent is required of parents of all children. ( Refusal. If the parents of a child with a disability refuse consent for initial evaluation or a reevaluation, the agency may continue to pursue those evaluations by using the due process procedures under §§300.507-300.509, or the mediation procedures under §300.506 if appropriate, except to the extent inconsistent with State law relating to parental consent. © Failure to respond to request for reevaluation. (1) Informed parental consent need not be obtained for reevaluation if the public agency can demonstrate that it has taken reasonable measures to obtain that consent, and the childÃs parent has failed to respond. (2) To meet the reasonable measures requirement in paragraph ©(1) of this section, the public agency must use procedures consistent with those in §300.345(d). (d) Additional State consent requirements. In addition to the parental consent requirements described in paragraph (a) of this section, a State may require parental consent for other services and activities under this part if it ensures that each public agency in the State establishes and implements effective procedures to ensure that a parent's refusal to consent does not result in a failure to provide the child with FAPE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 You are exactly right except when it comes to preschool. Then the parent has the upper hand in refusing ANYTHING! Loree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 It originated in Kansas. Re: Please Help! Please let me know in which State this thread originated. I served as a parent rep on the Early Intervention Coordinating Council in NY, and might be able to provide some guidance. FYI, never, ever, sign an IEP. There is no legal necessity for it. This has been clarified both by OSEP, and here in NY by NYSED. Kerry, NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 In a message dated 4/14/2004 8:17:34 AM Central Standard Time, _Schulte@... writes: > In Kansas, we also have an attendance sheet and no place to actually sign > saying that we agree with the IEP. If we don't like the way it is written up > after the " team meeting " we just request another IEP meeting. I suppose that > HI I am in West TN and if there is something that the team doesn't agree with me, they have the choice of saying yes or no ........... with a no I ask for my prior written notice and legal actions can follow. Luckily this has never happened to me, when I have asked for my PWN they have back down and complied with my requests. Oh I am not saying ALL of TN operates this way and I am not even sure if this is our County practice lol it just has worked with me and few others here. As far as signing the IEP, ours too is on the attendance page. Now if something is already typed up and needs to be changed, I do initial the change where the change is on the page lol (tongue twister). Why .... who knows lol Kathy mom to Sara 12 ¸...¸ ___/ /\ \___ ¸...¸ ,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\ ,·´º o`·, ```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | | | ```)¨(´´´ ¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-.¸ As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Josh. 24:15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Wow. We just got back late last night from picking up our new son, ! Hooray! I guess he was a bit of a celebrity in AZ, because his case worker told me they put him on the news as " wednesday's child " before we found him. I'm curious how my thread started a discussion about signing an IEP because I don't remember saying anything about this. The form I was supposed to sign is a waiver of Infant Toddler services and I'm not signing it. In Kansas, we also have an attendance sheet and no place to actually sign saying that we agree with the IEP. If we don't like the way it is written up after the " team meeting " we just request another IEP meeting. I suppose that is my recourse...I just keep requesting meetings until I get what I want Well...I'm off to Blake's IEP! Wish me luck. Schulte Re: Please Help! Just be careful, because each state has their own regulations regarding special education and you must consider what they say. Kansas, Virginia, NY .... all different. The feds give them the right to be different.... read section (d) Cheryl in VA §300.505 Parental consent. (a) General. (1) Subject to paragraphs (a)(3), ( and © of this section, informed parent consent must be obtained before— (i) Conducting an initial evaluation or reevaluation; and (ii) Initial provision of special education and related services to a child with a disability. (2) Consent for initial evaluation may not be construed as consent for initial placement described in paragraph (a)(1)(ii) of this section. (3) Parental consent is not required before— (i) Reviewing existing data as part of an evaluation or a reevaluation; or (ii) Administering a test or other evaluation that is administered to all children unless, before administration of that test or evaluation, consent is required of parents of all children. ( Refusal. If the parents of a child with a disability refuse consent for initial evaluation or a reevaluation, the agency may continue to pursue those evaluations by using the due process procedures under §§300.507-300.509, or the mediation procedures under §300.506 if appropriate, except to the extent inconsistent with State law relating to parental consent. © Failure to respond to request for reevaluation. (1) Informed parental consent need not be obtained for reevaluation if the public agency can demonstrate that it has taken reasonable measures to obtain that consent, and the childÃs parent has failed to respond. (2) To meet the reasonable measures requirement in paragraph ©(1) of this section, the public agency must use procedures consistent with those in §300.345(d). (d) Additional State consent requirements. In addition to the parental consent requirements described in paragraph (a) of this section, a State may require parental consent for other services and activities under this part if it ensures that each public agency in the State establishes and implements effective procedures to ensure that a parent's refusal to consent does not result in a failure to provide the child with FAPE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 NEVER sign anything, not even the attendance page until you agree completely with the IEP. A court case has been presented in the past where the school system used this as proof of agreement with the IEP. Elaine Re: Please Help! Dunno about that, cause if I agree and am part of the team I always sign. I dont sign if changes need to be made, etc. We only do sign the attendance page, actually and not any other part of the IEP. Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 In a message dated 4/13/04 8:19:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: > You have no statement you sign that you give permission to implement the > IEP > or that you agree with the IEP as written? No. We sign an attendance sheet, but no where is there a place to sign we are giving permission to implement the IEP. nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 If I remember correctly, we had Nic's IEP done and about a week later had his annual IFSP (to finish out the school year). I can't imagine they would transition him just because he turned 5. They waited until the school year was over before they transitioned him to Kindergarten. His birthday is in March and school ended in June. Di Please help! I'll try to make this as short and specific as possible....considering I'm upset. I've read through the KS regs. I understand that they are required to begin the tranisition from part c to part b at least 90, but no more than 180 days before the child's 3rd birthday. What I don't understand is why our child should lose services over the summer when his birthday isn't until July 29th. I assume that he *shouldn't* and that is why they want me to sign the waiver saying I don't want services under part C after the IEP is signed. Does signing the IEP in the Spring (two months before his third birthday) automatically disqualify my child for part C? Should I tell them that I will only sign the waiver declining part C services if they will agree to ESY in the IEP? Thanks!!! Schulte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Hi, I would like to say we are always eager to help, however we are not Medicare providers so we do not have a Medicare ID number. As far as Angels Hospital goes we have been unable to reach anyone Including the old owners. So we to are at a loss too. In defense of the below post, the staff at CLOS have done everything That we can to help you, we just do not have access to the information You are looking for. If you are a Medicare patient perhaps Medicare Can give you the ID number you are looking for. Please let us know if you have any success and we will do the same. Trish > > > Hi, > > I had my surgery last January in Rancho Cucamonga at the Angels > Medical center. I am still trying to recoup reimbursement from my > insurance. Does anyone have the hospitals medicare ID number? I > called the CLOS office and was told they could or rather would not > have that information (sadly they seemed very uninterested to be of > any help! But, it seems to be that way with many other former > patients after they have our money, they are not interested!) Anyway, > the medical center or hospital in Rancho Cucamonga has closed so, I > get a disconnected number from their listing? Hopefully there is > someone out there that also had the MGB at Angels and has this info. > Please help me! > > Redondo Pattie > MGB 1-13-04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Donna, That is just sad.I just browsed through Dr.Lehmans book on SLE and it doesn't matter if they are negative to anti DNA antibodies.Whats most important is being ANA positive. The key symptoms for primary care physicians to look for are children who appear chronicly ill or have unexplained damage in organs that are frequently affected by SLE(e.g.,the kidneys). He also says the most common feature is fever.Second is complaining of not feeling well(malaise).Third most common is arthritis in the small joints of the hand that is often described as "hurting all over" There are 11 differant symptoms described in the criteria for SLE and a child needs 4 for a definate diagnosis.Lehman has treated children with as little as 3 and goes on to say no matter what the ultimate diagnosis is it's best to treat early. I would say if mom can print out a few peer reviewed papers from any reputable journal talking about the criteria for SLE and fax to the insurance company they will give.Many times it takes a little stink for them to give in.It's far cheaper for this child to get proper medical care outside of network then to have to undergo full blown chemo for renal problems and all the other severe complications to other organs that can happen. Our love and prayers are with the family. Becki and 7 systemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Donna, I would try the Health Center near her. Call the Medical Assocation. Also you might try the local Congressman. What State are they in? Robbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Yes it is . I will get in touch with Sharon and have her call you. I feel so badly for them. Thank you so, so much for the support and help. Let me know if she calls you. She seems to be the type who keeps things to herself but I will strongly encourage her to call k..thanks again! Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Donna, I am wondering if you know how high her ANA is? Along with the protein in her urine, is the ANA extremely elevated? My daughter's was 1 to 320 and her ped rheumy said that her elevation is not high enough to be Lupus. It does, though, seem like some doctors have differing opinions on this. Is she on any meds that could be affecting the urine? I am assuming they have retested the urine and at least made sure it was a morning sample, which can make a difference. I hope they are able to get some answers soon. Kim In a message dated 8/19/2005 12:29:38 PM Central Standard Time, ajaoky@... writes: We were thinking that she probably had lupus. 10 minutes ago the primary care Dr called and said the doublestranded DNA test came back negative, meaning no lupus. I am sooo frustrated, I want an answer to what is wrong with her. I was told that it is possible to get a false negative. I just don't know where to go from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 I know it's hard and frustrating trying to be the caregiver by yourself. If you're feeling this way, just imagine how your son feels. Your son is no doubt aware of the " discord " between you and your husband's opinion regarding his " behavior. " I went through this with my older daughter - so I can truly relate. Some men will listen to reason and reluctantly agree to be educated, some I think are angry because their kid is not " normal. " You say you'll do anythng and go to different specialists, etc - That's a great start - BUT you also need to get tougher when it comes to your husband too - Let him know that there are no barriers in obtaining the help HIS son needs. This includes not being afraid to speak up for fear of a disagreement - in other words you need to take control of the situation and appear to be in control. One thing that popped out was you mentioned ODD as a diagnosis too - are you referring to oppositional defiant disorder? I guess I was a little surprised that at age 6 they'd be willing to give out this diagnosis - if so, you need to act and you need to act fast. I've been there done that and still doing it.. It's gotten a little easier over the years and although my husband might not actively participate or buy into the whole treatment process, he's at lease supportive of my taking control of the situation - It's probably not the best scenario, but it works. I feel for you, I really do. It's hard coping with this by yourself. I think you really need to have a heart-to-heart with your husband and pose the question - If he isn't willing to be part of the solution here, just what part does he plan does he plan on being/doing? He doesn't have to agree, but he also can't undermine what you are trying to accomplish. Your son will sense this and will eventually (if he's not already) use this as a manipulative type thing. In a message dated 11/6/2005 2:18:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, gdunajski@... writes: No matter what, I will take care of my son. I dont care how many specialist I have to bring him to, and I will do it alone, without his support, its just difficult and puts us at odds! Any suggestions/ideas would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 I know it's hard and frustrating trying to be the caregiver by yourself. If you're feeling this way, just imagine how your son feels. Your son is no doubt aware of the " discord " between you and your husband's opinion regarding his " behavior. " I went through this with my older daughter - so I can truly relate. Some men will listen to reason and reluctantly agree to be educated, some I think are angry because their kid is not " normal. " You say you'll do anythng and go to different specialists, etc - That's a great start - BUT you also need to get tougher when it comes to your husband too - Let him know that there are no barriers in obtaining the help HIS son needs. This includes not being afraid to speak up for fear of a disagreement - in other words you need to take control of the situation and appear to be in control. One thing that popped out was you mentioned ODD as a diagnosis too - are you referring to oppositional defiant disorder? I guess I was a little surprised that at age 6 they'd be willing to give out this diagnosis - if so, you need to act and you need to act fast. I've been there done that and still doing it.. It's gotten a little easier over the years and although my husband might not actively participate or buy into the whole treatment process, he's at lease supportive of my taking control of the situation - It's probably not the best scenario, but it works. I feel for you, I really do. It's hard coping with this by yourself. I think you really need to have a heart-to-heart with your husband and pose the question - If he isn't willing to be part of the solution here, just what part does he plan does he plan on being/doing? He doesn't have to agree, but he also can't undermine what you are trying to accomplish. Your son will sense this and will eventually (if he's not already) use this as a manipulative type thing. In a message dated 11/6/2005 2:18:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, gdunajski@... writes: No matter what, I will take care of my son. I dont care how many specialist I have to bring him to, and I will do it alone, without his support, its just difficult and puts us at odds! Any suggestions/ideas would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Hi, maybe you could print out 's story she just posted and have him read that! I thought it explained very well ocd and how a person benefits from medication. I know it is hard to change someones mind, but tell him this is your child and sometimes facing the reality of an illness is the right thing to do! Good luck! Sandy -- In , " gdunajski " <gdunajski@y...> wrote: > > I have posted a few times here regarding my 6 year old w/OCD/ADD and > possible ODD. His pediatrician just basically let me have it, for not > going to a Psychiatrist sooner. I opted for Neurofeedback, which > cost a fortune and did work, but only while actively seeking > Neurofeedback treatment. ($100 a session/ 2 X's per week) I just > couldnt keep up with it. Anyways, I am seeing a child psychiatrist > in a few weeks to work w/the OCD/ADD/ODD. Here's my problem? My > husband ! He is a good father in all, but he is one of those that do > not believe in all the labeling ADD/OCD. Just chaulks it up to bad > behavoir/not listening. He grew up w/a family that does not believe > in Psychiatrists, Psychologists, etc etc. They all think they are > full of you know what ! So, dealing w/all these issues w/my son and > then having to fight my husband tooth and nail over it is so > difficult. We are at extreme odds when it comes to discipline and > especially w/the ADD/OCD. Has anyone ever faced this before?? How > do you deal/cope with it? Any suggestions. I just came home from the > pediatrician on Friday and didnt even tell him anything he said, > because I didnt want to hear it or argue w/him over it. No matter > what, I will take care of my son. I dont care how many specialist I > have to bring him to, and I will do it alone, without his support, > its just difficult and puts us at odds! Any suggestions/ideas would > be greatly appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 I can't give advice about your husband. I am sorry that it is so tough on you and your child. With regard to labelling... While I do believe that stigma that results in discrimination is wrong, a label for my son (at this point) serves to help me get the treatment that he needs. I say that they can call it OCD or whatever they like, just give my son what he needs and I will fight the stigma as much as I can. Insurance companies need ICD 9 codes (diagnoses or " labels " ) for reimbursement and DSM (mental health) codes do the same. While parents shouldn't be quick to jump to conclusions about their child's condition (as a rule favor the realm of normal, but follow your gut instincts), sometimes it is quite evident that there is a problem. When you have seen your child suffer and actually be in danger for lack of treatment or not recognizing the need, you don't sweat the labels - It really comes down to that. Sometimes it takes others a while to see how much a child is affected because it pains them and frightens them into denial. Perhaps your doctor can help your husband understand? Perhaps you can let him read a few of our posts describing our children's behavior? I wish you the best Bonnie - In , " gdunajski " <gdunajski@y...> wrote: > > I have posted a few times here regarding my 6 year old w/OCD/ADD and > possible ODD. His pediatrician just basically let me have it, for not > going to a Psychiatrist sooner. I opted for Neurofeedback, which > cost a fortune and did work, but only while actively seeking > Neurofeedback treatment. ($100 a session/ 2 X's per week) I just > couldnt keep up with it. Anyways, I am seeing a child psychiatrist > in a few weeks to work w/the OCD/ADD/ODD. Here's my problem? My > husband ! He is a good father in all, but he is one of those that do > not believe in all the labeling ADD/OCD. Just chaulks it up to bad > behavoir/not listening. He grew up w/a family that does not believe > in Psychiatrists, Psychologists, etc etc. They all think they are > full of you know what ! So, dealing w/all these issues w/my son and > then having to fight my husband tooth and nail over it is so > difficult. We are at extreme odds when it comes to discipline and > especially w/the ADD/OCD. Has anyone ever faced this before?? How > do you deal/cope with it? Any suggestions. I just came home from the > pediatrician on Friday and didnt even tell him anything he said, > because I didnt want to hear it or argue w/him over it. No matter > what, I will take care of my son. I dont care how many specialist I > have to bring him to, and I will do it alone, without his support, > its just difficult and puts us at odds! Any suggestions/ideas would > be greatly appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 A good plan might be to involve dh from the very beginning in your son's treatment. In your post you say the ped basically let you have it for not getting your son to a psychiatrist sooner. No doubt you found that very galvanizing or even shaming--if your dh had been there he might have as well. At the least, he can ask the professional questions, challenge diagnoses and etc., the professional will be much better able to support his or her diagnosis or treatment recommendation than you are on his behalf. This also gets you out of the middle, any doubts or anger your dh has can be directed to someone other than you :-) You are just following doctor's orders, just as you'd do if your son had an ear infection or a broken arm. Have you thought of calling the ped and discussing this problem with getting your son help? If your pediatrician feels this strongly that your son needs a psychiatrist, perhaps he or she would be willing to explain this to your husband. A pediatrician is not a psychiatrist after all, so your husband may be more inclined to listen. You situation is unfortunately pretty common, judging from the bazillions of similar posts over the years LOL. It seems frequently that one of a couple takes the reins with this while the other avoids, denies, disrupts, disparages or whatever. One more thought, if you have been doing anything to run interference or otherwise minimize your son's symptoms in front of his father, you might want to stop. Your dh just may not see the symptoms that you and the pediatrician see, especially if you are home all day with your child and his Dad sees him for a short while before bed only. Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: " gdunajski " <gdunajski@...> >I have posted a few times here regarding my 6 year old w/OCD/ADD and > possible ODD. His pediatrician just basically let me have it, for not > going to a Psychiatrist sooner. I opted for Neurofeedback, which > cost a fortune and did work, but only while actively seeking > Neurofeedback treatment. ($100 a session/ 2 X's per week) I just > couldnt keep up with it. Anyways, I am seeing a child psychiatrist > in a few weeks to work w/the OCD/ADD/ODD. Here's my problem? My > husband ! He is a good father in all, but he is one of those that do > not believe in all the labeling ADD/OCD. Just chaulks it up to bad > behavoir/not listening. He grew up w/a family that does not believe > in Psychiatrists, Psychologists, etc etc. They all think they are > full of you know what ! So, dealing w/all these issues w/my son and > then having to fight my husband tooth and nail over it is so > difficult. We are at extreme odds when it comes to discipline and > especially w/the ADD/OCD. Has anyone ever faced this before?? How > do you deal/cope with it? Any suggestions. I just came home from the > pediatrician on Friday and didnt even tell him anything he said, > because I didnt want to hear it or argue w/him over it. No matter > what, I will take care of my son. I dont care how many specialist I > have to bring him to, and I will do it alone, without his support, > its just difficult and puts us at odds! Any suggestions/ideas would > be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 I will be praying for this to happen. We have one out here too and it does really work for everyone involved. I too have seen it as my daughter is Downs Syndrome and my son his brain stem didnt' grow and he can barley talk at all and he is doing so good now and so is my daughter. I am praying this will work and I know if it's God's will it will come to be. Hugs; Ginger snooksmama@... wrote: Dear Friends: As many of you know, I sometimes volunteer for a wonderful horse therapy program, Precious Helpers Horse Farm. It was started by the daughter of a friend of mine in an effort to rescue horses, and use them to help others. Hundreds of people have experienced the incredible effect that this program has for anyone experiencing physical or emotional problems. However, to go on, the program needs your help. and operate the farm solely on donations and what they can contribute to the program through their own salaries from their 'day jobs'. They do not charge clients for coming out to the farm. I have experienced firsthand the joy of watching, for example, an autistic child totally transformed when up in the saddle. A woman with cancer who has been coming out to the farm has experienced a significant improvement in her disease. Those with all kinds of issues in their lives have benefitted from something as simple as the companionship of a horse. and live in the basement of 's grandmother's home. Last year, we submitted a tape to Extreme Home Makeover, in hopes that an indoor riding arena and barn could be built for the program. You see, the program cannot operate in the winter due to the harsh weather. We have been praying for this miracle to occur, if it is God's will. and are a wonderful Christian couple who not only want to help others, but to also bring them to Christ. Recently we were in contact with a family that had been given an Extreme Home Makeover. They run an animal rescue in Texas. It was suggested that we have everybody we know go to this web address , http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html and ask ABC to please help Precious Helpers Horse Farm. Even if you are unfamiliar with the program, please visit and 's website at www.precioushelpers.org and then go to http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html and urge them to give Precious Helpers an Extreme Home Makeover. We are hoping and praying that this campaign will help bring their program to the attention of ABC ! Please forward this to everyone you know! Hundreds of emails is our hope! Thank you! Schulz Here is an example of the email I just sent to ABC: Last year, you were sent a tape about Precious Helpers Horse Farm. They are in tremendous need of an Extreme Home Makeover! Go to www.precioushelpers.org to learn more about this worthy organization. We enjoyed the segment about True Blue Rescue so much, and all of our friends who love animals are hoping so much that you will feature Precious Helpers next! and Neff are living in the basement of their grandmother's home to help their dream of helping horses to help others come true! " Have no fear for what tomorrow may bring. The same loving God who cares for you today will take care of you tomorrow and every day. God will either shield you from suffering or give you unfailing strength to bear it. Be at peace, then, and put aside all anxious thoughts and imaginations. " -St Francis DeSales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Ginger: Thank you so much! I am so glad that you have access to horse therapy. and Rob 16 Spondy On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:37:54 -0800 (PST) Ginger Sunshine <pct777@...> writes: I will be praying for this to happen. We have one out here too and it does really work for everyone involved. I too have seen it as my daughter is Downs Syndrome and my son his brain stem didnt' grow and he can barley talk at all and he is doing so good now and so is my daughter. I am praying this will work and I know if it's God's will it will come to be. Hugs; Ginger snooksmama@... wrote: Dear Friends: As many of you know, I sometimes volunteer for a wonderful horse therapy program, Precious Helpers Horse Farm. It was started by the daughter of a friend of mine in an effort to rescue horses, and use them to help others. Hundreds of people have experienced the incredible effect that this program has for anyone experiencing physical or emotional problems. However, to go on, the program needs your help. and operate the farm solely on donations and what they can contribute to the program through their own salaries from their 'day jobs'. They do not charge clients for coming out to the farm. I have experienced firsthand the joy of watching, for example, an autistic child totally transformed when up in the saddle. A woman with cancer who has been coming out to the farm has experienced a significant improvement in her disease. Those with all kinds of issues in their lives have benefitted from something as simple as the companionship of a horse. and live in the basement of 's grandmother's home. Last year, we submitted a tape to Extreme Home Makeover, in hopes that an indoor riding arena and barn could be built for the program. You see, the program cannot operate in the winter due to the harsh weather. We have been praying for this miracle to occur, if it is God's will. and are a wonderful Christian couple who not only want to help others, but to also bring them to Christ. Recently we were in contact with a family that had been given an Extreme Home Makeover. They run an animal rescue in Texas. It was suggested that we have everybody we know go to this web address , http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html and ask ABC to please help Precious Helpers Horse Farm. Even if you are unfamiliar with the program, please visit and 's website at www.precioushelpers.org and then go to http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html and urge them to give Precious Helpers an Extreme Home Makeover. We are hoping and praying that this campaign will help bring their program to the attention of ABC ! Please forward this to everyone you know! Hundreds of emails is our hope! Thank you! Schulz Here is an example of the email I just sent to ABC: Last year, you were sent a tape about Precious Helpers Horse Farm. They are in tremendous need of an Extreme Home Makeover! Go to www.precioushelpers.org to learn more about this worthy organization. We enjoyed the segment about True Blue Rescue so much, and all of our friends who love animals are hoping so much that you will feature Precious Helpers next! and Neff are living in the basement of their grandmother's home to help their dream of helping horses to help others come true! " Have no fear for what tomorrow may bring. The same loving God who cares for you today will take care of you tomorrow and every day. God will either shield you from suffering or give you unfailing strength to bear it. Be at peace, then, and put aside all anxious thoughts and imaginations. " -St Francis DeSales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 :sorry to hear the bad news......I had 3 + EtG between June and July that were >1000, one was >1800. The only thing I can figure is ,I used BCP in June and July. I have since stopped and had 2 urines in Aug, I do not know the results yet. I have given up Listerine. My others were between 700 and 800. Any liver problems that you know of? ........Joyjhartman32001 <jhartman32001@...> wrote: I just found out today on my 3rd year wedding anniversary, that my 3rd UA was positive for 1000 etg. I am devastated. I have to drop out of school and go in to another rehab. This time outpatient, I have no insurance, my husband is in europe right now, and is going to freak out. I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. I feel weird going to rehab when I haven't been drinking __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Dear --- I am truly sorry to hear this part of your story. I hope there are people around you can turn to during this very emotional time when your hubby is away. I am available for whatever support I can offer here on the site or thru private email.I will hold some good thoughts for you. You will get thru this. Marsha jhartman32001 <jhartman32001@...> wrote: I just found out today on my 3rd year wedding anniversary, that my 3rd UA was positive for 1000 etg.I am devastated. I have to drop out of school and go in to another rehab. This time outpatient, I have no insurance, my husband is in europe right now, and is going to freak out.I can't figure out what I am doing wrong.I feel weird going to rehab when I haven't been drinking Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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