Headache

[Guest guest]

Hi Tami,

I will share anything i find out regarding headaches with you, i know

how disabling they are. I find an ice pack on my head helps a little,

and my daughter mixes peppermint, lavender and burgamot oils in cool

water, she then puts a face washer into the water and places it onto my

head. That also helps. But Migral is the only drug that aborts my

headache, the only thing is Migral draws all the energy from my body

and puts me to bed for a couple of days. I haven't tried the magnet

headband yet. Perhaps i should give it a try. Unlike you i suffer low

blood pressure. Hope all is well with you, take care.

AIH

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[Guest guest]

,

I, too, suffered from low blood pressure. Usually about 94/56 or so.

Since being on the prednisone, my blood pressure has gradually gone up. The

magnet headband has been great. I got mine from an Amway distributor here.

They work with Vanderbuilt University and have the medical studies to back it

up. Good luck with the headaches!

Tami (AIH)

chollyfam@...

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

Sorry to hear about your son that's about the time when my 4 were

diagnosed with their jra well our daughter was diagnosed in March after going

from doc to doc who all said there was nothing wrong with your daughter when

I knew there was!!!!!!! our suffers from bad headaches when he has bad

flares and I give him advil but, that still never seems to help and I don't

want the doc to put him on something really strong does your son's stomach

hurt also? Well glad to see a newbie keep in touch and take care:) I live in

Ohio and there is snow lotz:)

Teena

[Guest guest]

n, age 11, diagnosed with Still's in November suffered with a headache

for about a month. Our rheumy said he didn't deal with headaches and sent

us to our pediatrician. Nothing we did seemed to help. We tried hot packs

at the base of her neck, for some people said that brought them relief. Our

pediatrician said we could try the herb feverfew, that some of her patients

had good luck with it. We never got to try it, as n's headaches

disappeared as quick as they had come. Good luck. in Portland

headache

>From: dlillis@...

>

>Hi,

> My 15 year old boy was diagnosied in May. We have been through several

>flares. He has had a headache in the back and top of his head since Dec.26.

>We have tried everything. Any suggestions that the docs might not have to

>relieve this. He has had an MRI, nerve block. prednisone, Physical therapy.

>Heat,cold.rest,amitriptyline at night.

> Thanks,

> Sheila

>

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[Guest guest]

Sheila: The rheumatologist won't know much about treating headaches. You

would have to try a neurologist. If it's a tension headache (as it

typically is if it lasts a long time) (perhaps exacerbated by the JRA), why

not try: chiropractic, acupuncture, or certain antidepressents. That's the

common treatment for tension headaches. But check with a neurologist.

Charlie

On 20 Jan 2000 13:56:34 -0000, onelist wrote:

| From: dlillis@...

| Hi, My 15 year old boy was diagnosied in May. We have been through

several

| flares. He has had a headache in the back and top of his head since

Dec.26.

| We have tried everything. Any suggestions that the docs might not have

to

| relieve this. He has had an MRI, nerve block. prednisone, Physical

therapy.

| Heat,cold.rest,amitriptyline at night.

| Thanks, Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Have you tried Chiropractic?

[Guest guest]

You should ask your doctor about this to be *sure* it's ok... but I

have taken the new Excedrin Quicktabs that melt in your mouth. They

work for me.... I am very careful to flush them through the pouch

with lots of water.

Betty

> I was banded on July 21, 2004... I haven't been adjusted yet --

I've

> had a headache now for 2 days.. pre-surgery I would take ibuprofen

> and it would go byebye

[Guest guest]

I would like to add a questions to this...I know we can have Tylenol,

but can't have Advil. What about Motrin?

> I was banded on July 21, 2004... I haven't been adjusted yet --

I've

> had a headache now for 2 days.. pre-surgery I would take ibuprofen

> and it would go byebye.. I remember them saying taking my imitrex

> would be ok.. but this isn't a migraine.. just a very hard

headache..

> what can I take?

>

> acetomeniphen never worked for me

>

> --

> --------

> Donna Arcand

> darcand@g...

> --------

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that Motrin and Advil are the same thing --

ibuprofen.

Betty

> I would like to add a questions to this...I know we can have

Tylenol,

> but can't have Advil. What about Motrin?

[Guest guest]

Unless you have had previous stomach problems (before or after

banding) an occasional ibuprophen (motrin, advil, lots of brand

names) should be ok, if your band doc agrees.

To be as safe as possible, cut it into 4 pieces, take it on an empty

stomach (contrary to advice for non-bandsters) and ewash it

completely through with a full glass of milk.

Part of the danger is it can cause irritation and more severe

problems if it sits in the pouch, or especially, against the stoma.

Tsaking it with food isn't a good idea (per my GI doc) since that

only makes it sit in the pouch longer, until the food gets through.

It's still best to avoid the NSAIDS if at ALL possible - more than a

few people have gotten severe gastritis from just a few doses. Hope

you're better! Sandy R

> I was banded on July 21, 2004... I haven't been adjusted yet --

I've

> had a headache now for 2 days.. pre-surgery I would take ibuprofen

> and it would go byebye.. I remember them saying taking my imitrex

> would be ok.. but this isn't a migraine.. just a very hard

headache..

> what can I take?

>

> acetomeniphen never worked for me

>

> --

> --------

> Donna Arcand

> darcand@g...

> --------

[Guest guest]

You may be getting dehydrated. Drink lots of water, take naproxin

sodium for the pain(over the counter). Also, an ice pak will help a

lot......

susieb

> I was banded on July 21, 2004... I haven't been adjusted yet --

I've

> had a headache now for 2 days.. pre-surgery I would take ibuprofen

> and it would go byebye.. I remember them saying taking my imitrex

> would be ok.. but this isn't a migraine.. just a very hard

headache..

> what can I take?

>

> acetomeniphen never worked for me

>

> --

> --------

> Donna Arcand

> darcand@g...

> --------

[Guest guest]

Motrin and Advill and generic ibuprofen are all the same thing. Just

different brands/labels. Personally, I take advil sometimes with food

or antacid to be sure i don't have any tummy troubles.

dan

Sunday, August 22, 2004, 10:28:01 AM, you wrote:

n> I would like to add a questions to this...I know we

n> can have Tylenol,

n> but can't have Advil. What about Motrin?

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/211/199 Age 61

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone for your responses..

I had my husband run out and get some of those Excedrin Quicktabs (2

tablets are 500mgs acetomeniphen and 65mgs caffeine).. those were

neat.. dissolved down to nothing.. unfortunately after an hour.. my

headache was even worse (caffeine got me)..

it actually did turn into a migraine.. so I took some imitrex.. and it

was cut in half.. half hour later I tried another imitrex and it was

still there but manageable.. I ended up taking 2 ibuprofen with

antacid to get rid of it completely..

I've been drinking all day long.. I'm over 60oz today.. and I'm

finally headache free...

Thanks again for all the great responses!

-Donna

Re: Re: headache

nancyjbowman <smarterbandsters >

Motrin and Advill and generic ibuprofen are all the same thing. Just

different brands/labels. Personally, I take advil sometimes with food

or antacid to be sure i don't have any tummy troubles.

dan

Sunday, August 22, 2004, 10:28:01 AM, you wrote:

n> I would like to add a questions to this...I know we

n> can have Tylenol,

n> but can't have Advil. What about Motrin?

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/211/199 Age 61

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna...

I am glad to hear your headache finally went away :-)

I did want to mention though, that the Excedrin Quicktabs that I have

are actually 500 mgs acetominephin and 65 mgs caffeine *each* instead

of for 2. I usually only take 1, then take another an hour or 2

later if my headache doesn't stop. But I don't think my headaches

get that bad.... I don't have migraines.

Here's hoping you get no more headaches!

Betty

> Thank you everyone for your responses..

>

> I had my husband run out and get some of those Excedrin Quicktabs (2

> tablets are 500mgs acetomeniphen and 65mgs caffeine

[Guest guest]

Hi Dorothy,

Did your headaches start after you began the iodine? If so I would lower the

dose. It just

means you are detoxing a little too fast. If this is an old symptom, however,

then it's hard

to tell. Does the salt seem to help you? If so take more, otherwise look for

other clues.

It can be confusing, especially for me, because before I ever started iodine I

would get

occasional headaches from salt - ironically - this is because I was on adrenal

support -

Cortef and licorice for awhile and my potassium stores got too low - so now if I

have 'too

much' salt I get a headache that only potassium helps! Strange I know. But

something to

think about if you are not sure that the headaches are from detox and if you are

taking

Isocort which is similar to Cortef and licorice in that it raises cortisol

levels (which can

deplete potassium but doesn't for most people who have low adrenals - because

they

usually have a build-up of potassium. For me it did so I'm just putting the word

out to

watch your levels). Sometimes your cravings can help. If I feel really thirsty

like only fresh

juicy fruit will relieve, then I know I am low in potassium. If I'm craving

salt, then I follow

that ... Sometimes it works, not always though!

Hope this helps,

Marlena

>

> I think my headache is from detox, but not sure. I am doing a heaping

> 1/4 tsp salt with 16 oz water twice a day. Usually take a little extra

> salt before bed also. I have been cutting down on the iodine, to 25

> mg, but still getting the headache. Should I go up or down on iodine?

> Maybe it is something else. I felt better today than I have in several

> weeks at least, but still got the headache. Guess I will go do another

> salt load. Went from 2 1/2 to 3 gr Armour today. Am on 20 mg Isocort.

>

> Dorothy

>

[Guest guest]

Dorothy, I get those really bad bromide headaches, too. What works for me is

just stopping the iodine for 1 or 2 days and then restarting at the same dose.

That always works for me. My headaches are actually worse at lower doses.

Also, you can try more vitamin C which helps some people.

>I think my headache is from detox, but not sure. I am doing a heaping

>1/4 tsp salt with 16 oz water twice a day. Usually take a little extra

>salt before bed also. I have been cutting down on the iodine, to 25

>mg, but still getting the headache. Should I go up or down on iodine?

>Maybe it is something else. I felt better today than I have in several

>weeks at least, but still got the headache. Guess I will go do another

>salt load. Went from 2 1/2 to 3 gr Armour today. Am on 20 mg Isocort.

>

>Dorothy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You could lower the dose, but that may not help. For me, that made it worse for

some reason. Taking a day or two off may actually be a better idea, or pulse

dosing. Your body just needs time to eliminate the bromide floating around in

your bloodstream.

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>

>Hi Dorothy,

>Did your headaches start after you began the iodine? If so I would lower the

dose. It just

>means you are detoxing a little too fast. If this is an old symptom, however,

then it's hard

>to tell. Does the salt seem to help you? If so take more, otherwise look for

other clues.

>

>It can be confusing, especially for me, because before I ever started iodine I

would get

>occasional headaches from salt - ironically - this is because I was on adrenal

support -

>Cortef and licorice for awhile and my potassium stores got too low - so now if

I have 'too

>much' salt I get a headache that only potassium helps! Strange I know. But

something to

>think about if you are not sure that the headaches are from detox and if you

are taking

>Isocort which is similar to Cortef and licorice in that it raises cortisol

levels (which can

>deplete potassium but doesn't for most people who have low adrenals - because

they

>

[Guest guest]

maybe you needed more Armour, and now need 50mg Iodoral. I get headaches from too little thyroid meds.

Gracia

I think my headache is from detox, but not sure. I am doing a heaping1/4 tsp salt with 16 oz water twice a day. Usually take a little extrasalt before bed also. I have been cutting down on the iodine, to 25mg, but still getting the headache. Should I go up or down on iodine?Maybe it is something else. I felt better today than I have in severalweeks at least, but still got the headache. Guess I will go do anothersalt load. Went from 2 1/2 to 3 gr Armour today. Am on 20 mg Isocort.Dorothy

[Guest guest]

I have been doing less. It seems to be getting worse. A couple of

weeks ago it helped to stop for a day, but my joints got achy. Now

less or none doesn't help. I was thinking maybe go back to 50 mg

since I have a headache anyway.

Dorothy

> You could lower the dose, but that may not help. For me, that made

it worse for some reason. Taking a day or two off may actually be a

better idea, or pulse dosing. Your body just needs time to eliminate

the bromide floating around in your bloodstream.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just read the rest of your letter. I will try a potassium tab. as I

am on Isocort.

Dorothy

> You could lower the dose, but that may not help. For me, that made

it worse for some reason. Taking a day or two off may actually be a

better idea, or pulse dosing. Your body just needs time to eliminate

the bromide floating around in your bloodstream.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually I have had this sort of headache off and on for years, when

my neck was out of adjustment or I was tired. So it could be adrenal

related also. Anyhow, for tonight I will try K.

Thanks all.

Dorothy

> Did your headaches start after you began the iodine? If so I would

lower the dose.

[Guest guest]

Dorothy -

I am just catching up. I wouldn't blanketly say you need more Armour or Iodine. What are your temps like (basal and throughout the day)? You can use www.drrind.com to help you chart them. I would see if you still have low temps. Your headache could be from low thyroid, low adrenal, toxins moving around or thyroid aggravating a low B12 or Iron/ferritin status. Do you have recent tests for B12, Iron and Ferritin?

Re: headache

maybe you needed more Armour, and now need 50mg Iodoral. I get headaches from too little thyroid meds.

Gracia

I think my headache is from detox, but not sure. I am doing a heaping1/4 tsp salt with 16 oz water twice a day. Usually take a little extrasalt before bed also. I have been cutting down on the iodine, to 25mg, but still getting the headache. Should I go up or down on iodine?Maybe it is something else. I felt better today than I have in severalweeks at least, but still got the headache. Guess I will go do anothersalt load. Went from 2 1/2 to 3 gr Armour today. Am on 20 mg Isocort.Dorothy

[Guest guest]

her dose of 2 1/2 grains seemed too low to me. I think 3--5 grains works best.

Gracia

Dorothy -

I am just catching up. I wouldn't blanketly say you need more Armour or Iodine. What are your temps like (basal and throughout the day)? You can use www.drrind.com to help you chart them. I would see if you still have low temps. Your headache could be from low thyroid, low adrenal, toxins moving around or thyroid aggravating a low B12 or Iron/ferritin status. Do you have recent tests for B12, Iron and Ferritin?

Re: headache

maybe you needed more Armour, and now need 50mg Iodoral. I get headaches from too little thyroid meds.

Gracia

I think my headache is from detox, but not sure. I am doing a heaping1/4 tsp salt with 16 oz water twice a day. Usually take a little extrasalt before bed also. I have been cutting down on the iodine, to 25mg, but still getting the headache. Should I go up or down on iodine?Maybe it is something else. I felt better today than I have in severalweeks at least, but still got the headache. Guess I will go do anothersalt load. Went from 2 1/2 to 3 gr Armour today. Am on 20 mg Isocort.Dorothy

[Guest guest]

Potassium - KACHINGGGGG!!!! Thanks, .

I took 200 mg K before bed. Woke up in a couple of hrs, no headache,

kidneys aching. took Vit C, went back to sleep, couple more hrs,

slight headache, 2 more K, woke at 5, no headache, took two more K anyway.

So all the salt must be creating a need for more K which has probably

always been a bit low off and on anyway. My question is how much K

relates to say 1/4 tsp salt?

My early morning heart rate has risen from 54 to 56. My ave temp has

been about 97.6 except yesterday it dropped to 97.1. My iron and

ferritin are fine, didn't do B12.

Dorothy

> I am just catching up. I wouldn't blanketly say you need more

Armour or Iodine. What are your temps like (basal and throughout the

day)? You can use www.drrind.com to help you chart them. I would

see if you still have low temps. Your headache could be from low

thyroid, low adrenal, toxins moving around or thyroid aggravating a

low B12 or Iron/ferritin status. Do you have recent tests for B12,

Iron and Ferritin?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dorothy,

I'm really glad the potassium helped! I was the one who mentioned potassium as

that is

what helps 90% of my headaches (which I had previous to iodine therapy but

subsequent

to adrenal support) - but I thought I was some kind of anomaly - LOL.

I'm really not sure how much K relates to 1/4 tsp salt ... but I used to take

1/4 tsp or

approximately 730mg potassium chloride (NOW foods has a pure powder) mixed in

8oz of

water when a headache came on. Seriphos can also help, if it is a stress

headache or from

too high cortisol or too much salt. And if the headache doesn't go away after a

few hours

try another 1/4 tsp. If your tabs are 99mg it sounds like it took less that 400

mg to help

your headache. That's great! Take as little as you need for symptom relief.

The cool thing is that Dr. Flechas told me that potassium chloride helps with

bromide

detox just like sodium chloride does, because it is the chloride that displaces

the bromide

(so I've been wondering if magnesium chloride also detoxifies?) ...

*However the importance of good unrefined salt in one's diet is independent of

bromide

detox, as it serves many other purposes!!*

If you have low adrenals, please be careful about taking too much potassium!!

Especially

in the morning. You'll have to experiment. As I wrote before, most people with

low

adrenals have a build up of potassium. However some people like me, alternate

high and

low adrenals and if cortisol is too high for too long or I take too much salt

than I get a

headache and depleted potassium!

Also if you have a sensitive stomach or gastritis or an ulcer, it is difficult

to take

potassium supplements because they tend to irritate. That's what happened to me

after I

had to take something that damaged my stomach lining. Now I rely on molasses -

Wholesome Sweeteners has the highest potassium content I've found at

730mg/Tablespoon or other high potassium foods like carrot juice, avocados,

potatoes,

dates, bananas, etc. However, except for the avacados, all of these foods can

cause a

blood sugar spike so if that is an issue for you, use with caution, mix with

high

protein/high fat foods or minimize.

Hope I'm not overwhelming - just writing everything to make sure something isn't

taken

out of context and causes harm!

Best regards!

Marlena

>

> Potassium - KACHINGGGGG!!!! Thanks, .

> I took 200 mg K before bed. Woke up in a couple of hrs, no headache,

> kidneys aching. took Vit C, went back to sleep, couple more hrs,

> slight headache, 2 more K, woke at 5, no headache, took two more K anyway.

>

> So all the salt must be creating a need for more K which has probably

> always been a bit low off and on anyway. My question is how much K

> relates to say 1/4 tsp salt?

>

> My early morning heart rate has risen from 54 to 56. My ave temp has

> been about 97.6 except yesterday it dropped to 97.1. My iron and

> ferritin are fine, didn't do B12.

>