Painkillers

[Guest guest]

HI Lori,

How can I find out if what I'm taking has tylenol in it? I reacted to tylenol also. In a high dose, it was anaphalactic and in low doses I had itchy rashes. My doctor should know this, shouldn't he?

Tami

painkillers

Almost without exception painkillers in the states that are not aspirin or NSAIDs have Tylenol in them. As a matter of fact, I haven't been able to GET a painkiller without Tylenol in it. For severe menustral cramps I've been taking an Ativan. I only need it literally one time during the month so it works well. It's not really a painkiller but whatever it does it helps me. I am a little worried about my upcoming surgery because there are now pretty much no painkillers I can take since reacting to Tylenol last winter for the first time. So if you are reacting to painkillers it could definitely be related to the acetaminophen/Tylenol. I think one of the only oral meds they can give me that doesn't have acetaminophen in it is Dilaudid. I often have a great deal of pain after my sinus surgery, so that's what I'm asking for.Lori____________________________________________________________Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service!Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/

[Guest guest]

As Lori said, Tylenol = Acetaminophen,

so surely any medication will label itself as including this, or not.

Should your doctor know about a reaction to acetaminophen?

An amazing fact:

- doctors may or may not know

- they may or may not think its pertinent

- they may not tell you.

That's one of the reasons' groups like this are so helpful.

regards,

Ken West

From: " Tami Klumpyan " <tami@...>

Reply-samters

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:26:47 -0500

<samters >

Subject: Re: painkillers

HI Lori,

How can I find out if what I'm taking has tylenol in it? I reacted to

tylenol also. In a high dose, it was anaphalactic and in low doses I had

itchy rashes. My doctor should know this, shouldn't he?

Tami

painkillers

Almost without exception painkillers in the states that are not aspirin or

NSAIDs have Tylenol in them. As a matter of fact, I haven't been able to

GET a painkiller without Tylenol in it. For severe menustral cramps I've

been taking an Ativan. I only need it literally one time during the month

so it works well. It's not really a painkiller but whatever it does it

helps me.

I am a little worried about my upcoming surgery because there are now pretty

much no painkillers I can take since reacting to Tylenol last winter for the

first time. So if you are reacting to painkillers it could definitely be

related to the acetaminophen/Tylenol. I think one of the only oral meds

they can give me that doesn't have acetaminophen in it is Dilaudid. I often

have a great deal of pain after my sinus surgery, so that's what I'm asking

for.

Lori

[Guest guest]

I also had sneezing attacks at the beginning of the process. I've

attributed this to the initial growth of the polyps. Sneezing !=

allergies, however, so it's really technically wrong to call samters an

allergy. How many people's symptoms started with sneezing attacks?

On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 11:40, Ken West wrote:

> As Lori said, Tylenol = Acetaminophen,

> so surely any medication will label itself as including this, or not.

>

> Should your doctor know about a reaction to acetaminophen?

> An amazing fact:

> - doctors may or may not know

> - they may or may not think its pertinent

> - they may not tell you.

>

> That's one of the reasons' groups like this are so helpful.

>

> regards,

> Ken West

>

> From: " Tami Klumpyan " <tami@...>

> Reply-samters

> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:26:47 -0500

> <samters >

> Subject: Re: painkillers

>

>

> HI Lori,

>

> How can I find out if what I'm taking has tylenol in it? I reacted to

> tylenol also. In a high dose, it was anaphalactic and in low doses I had

> itchy rashes. My doctor should know this, shouldn't he?

>

> Tami

>

> painkillers

>

> Almost without exception painkillers in the states that are not aspirin or

> NSAIDs have Tylenol in them. As a matter of fact, I haven't been able to

> GET a painkiller without Tylenol in it. For severe menustral cramps I've

> been taking an Ativan. I only need it literally one time during the month

> so it works well. It's not really a painkiller but whatever it does it

> helps me.

>

> I am a little worried about my upcoming surgery because there are now pretty

> much no painkillers I can take since reacting to Tylenol last winter for the

> first time. So if you are reacting to painkillers it could definitely be

> related to the acetaminophen/Tylenol. I think one of the only oral meds

> they can give me that doesn't have acetaminophen in it is Dilaudid. I often

> have a great deal of pain after my sinus surgery, so that's what I'm asking

> for.

>

> Lori

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lori-

I also react to acetaminophen. It has been difficult to explain to

physicians about the cross sensitiviy to acetaminophen in Samter's

patients, and I am a pharmacist. I usually have a copy of an

abstact by Dr. son explaining the cross sensitivity with me

when I meet with a new physician. They don't come across this

reaction very often. The knee jerk response for a narcotic pain med

for an ASA sensitive person would be Percocet or Tylenol with

codeine.

For narcotic pain relievers without ASA or acetaminophen, your

physician can select:

Dilaudid(hydromorphone)

Demerol(meperidine)

Oxycodone

Codeine

If you proceed with surgery, be sure to remind the nurses, residents

and attendings about your intolerence to acetaminophen. Oxycodone

and codeine are available in combination with ASA and

acetaminophen,as Percocet, Percodan, Tylenol with codeine, Empirin

with codeine.

Good luck-

Barb V

NJ

[Guest guest]

Boy, it sure is nice having people in the medical field (doctors, pharmacists, etc.) in the group. It sheds light on a lot of different subjects.

Thanks!

Re: painkillers

Lori-I also react to acetaminophen. It has been difficult to explain to physicians about the cross sensitiviy to acetaminophen in Samter's patients, and I am a pharmacist. I usually have a copy of an abstact by Dr. son explaining the cross sensitivity with me when I meet with a new physician. They don't come across this reaction very often. The knee jerk response for a narcotic pain med for an ASA sensitive person would be Percocet or Tylenol with codeine.For narcotic pain relievers without ASA or acetaminophen, your physician can select:Dilaudid(hydromorphone)Demerol(meperidine)OxycodoneCodeineIf you proceed with surgery, be sure to remind the nurses, residents and attendings about your intolerence to acetaminophen. Oxycodone and codeine are available in combination with ASA and acetaminophen,as Percocet, Percodan, Tylenol with codeine, Empirin with codeine. Good luck-Barb VNJ

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

It is so wonderful having so many medical prof. in our group. I had the itchy nose and skin reaction to demerol. I've also had a bad reaction to oxycodone (vomiting, itchy rash, etc. but not anaphalactic). Is there any relationship between the four you listed without tylenol in them? I don't take them often but when I have a bad headache it's nice when I can zap it.

Thanks!

Tami

Re: painkillers

Lori-I also react to acetaminophen. It has been difficult to explain to physicians about the cross sensitiviy to acetaminophen in Samter's patients, and I am a pharmacist. I usually have a copy of an abstact by Dr. son explaining the cross sensitivity with me when I meet with a new physician. They don't come across this reaction very often. The knee jerk response for a narcotic pain med for an ASA sensitive person would be Percocet or Tylenol with codeine.For narcotic pain relievers without ASA or acetaminophen, your physician can select:Dilaudid(hydromorphone)Demerol(meperidine)OxycodoneCodeineIf you proceed with surgery, be sure to remind the nurses, residents and attendings about your intolerence to acetaminophen. Oxycodone and codeine are available in combination with ASA and acetaminophen,as Percocet, Percodan, Tylenol with codeine, Empirin with codeine. Good luck-Barb VNJ

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BeBetsyNow@... wrote:

>Someone mentioned that O's shouldn't take a certain painkiller, but I can't

>find the post. Would someone remind me whether it was Tylenol, aspirin or

>Advil that is NOT good for O's. Then I will help out a friend in pain and pass

on

>that bottle painkillers.

>Thanks,

>Betsy

I was told by a Naturopath that Os should not take Tylenol

^. .^ ~

" There are many paths to enlightenment. Be sure to take one with a heart. "

~ Lao Tzu ~

[Guest guest]

Aspirin is also definitely out because of our issues with blood

thinning. Ibuprofren may be OK. Dr. D'Adamo prefers herbs like

feverfew. Haven't tried it myself.

> >Someone mentioned that O's shouldn't take a certain painkiller,

but I can't

> >find the post. Would someone remind me whether it was Tylenol,

aspirin or

> >Advil that is NOT good for O's. Then I will help out a friend in

pain and pass on

> >that bottle painkillers.

> >Thanks,

> >Betsy

>

> I was told by a Naturopath that Os should not take Tylenol

>

>

> ^. .^ ~

>

> " There are many paths to enlightenment. Be sure to take one with a

heart. "

>

> ~ Lao Tzu ~

[Guest guest]

If you get healthy enough with the diet you shouldn't need many painkillers.

For occasional use, just use what works and doesn't have any sideaffects.

If you have need for painkillers, you really need to find out what needs to be

changed to make you better so the pain is not there. Fix the problem, don't

treat the symptoms.

Kathy

BeBetsyNow@... wrote:

Someone mentioned that O's shouldn't take a certain painkiller, but I can't

find the post. Would someone remind me whether it was Tylenol, aspirin or

Advil that is NOT good for O's. Then I will help out a friend in pain and pass

on

that bottle painkillers.

Thanks,

Betsy

[Guest guest]

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:13:43 -0000

From: " cherylhcmba " <cherylhcmba@...>

Subject: Re: painkillers

Aspirin is also definitely out because of our issues with blood

thinning. Ibuprofren may be OK. Dr. D'Adamo prefers herbs like

feverfew. Haven't tried it myself.

~~ anybody out there try naproxen? but really... i'd consult my inner shaman, my

inner-paleopathic doctor would then prescribe a burst of paleolithic fire power

in the form of a stimulatin' new-world fruit powder (i'm feeling sillysallysilic

today!).

gokmog says: use fire to destroy pain!

'Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre

minds appointed to guard the past.' - Maurice Maeterlinck

[Guest guest]

broke his arm on boxing day so we gave him neurofen in preference to calpol. His bowels went a bit haywire but then that could be trauma of it all. Are there any decent biomed friendly pain killers out there for these kind of situations?

[Guest guest]

I don't think there are, .

N. _Mcbride in her book suggests looking again at aspirin. As

you know this is now (in the UK) not recommended for children, because

of the (tiny) risk of Reye's syndrome if given during certain viral

illnesses. But you can still buy paediatric aspirin in France - it

comes in sachets, each one containing an individual dose appropriate

to chikldren of a certain age and weight.

I think one of the times it shouldn't be given is during chicken pox.

I bought some in France last summer but haven't yet used it.

Margaret

PS Happy New Year everyone!

[Guest guest]

This is French advice re aspirin and children:

http://www.hosmat.com/pharmacovigilance/communique251002.pdf#search='Re

ye%20aspirine'

warns of risk during viral illness eg 'flu also chicken pox, Advises

if child develops repeated vomiting after taking it to seek medical

advice (as such vomiting can be a sign of Rey's syndrome, which can be

lethal).

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that I had forgotton what Mc Bride said in her book. seems OK now with the cast in place and next appointment on the 11 Jan. Did you go to see the GAPS doctor? Just curious. Regards mcollins2001uk <m.collins9@...> wrote: This is French advice re aspirin and children: http://www.hosmat.com/pharmacovigilance/communique251002.pdf#search='Reye%20aspirine'warns of risk during viral illness eg 'flu also chicken pox, Advises if child develops repeated vomiting after taking it to seek medical advice (as such vomiting can be a sign of Rey's syndrome, which can be lethal).DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

No, I haven't been to see her - no money!

Margaret

Re: Re:Painkillers

Thanks for that I had forgotton what Mc Bride said in her book. seems OK now with the cast in place and next appointment on the 11 Jan. Did you go to see the GAPS doctor? Just curious.

Regards

mcollins2001uk <m.collins9@...> wrote:

This is French advice re aspirin and children: http://www.hosmat.com/pharmacovigilance/communique251002.pdf#search='Reye%20aspirine'warns of risk during viral illness eg 'flu also chicken pox, Advises if child develops repeated vomiting after taking it to seek medical advice (as such vomiting can be a sign of Rey's syndrome, which can be lethal).DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

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[Guest guest]

Margaret...

The thing is, perception of pain is so individual that blanket policies are

virtually useless. The first night after each surgery, I was given one (1)

additional shot of morphine in the middle of the night, and that was the

last of the painkillers I took. Others operated on at the same time were

individually counselled on painkillers and those who needed them were given

prescriptions to fill. Doctors here seem to have a handle on the idea of

pain management. This is not to say that there are no butchers and

shoemakers among the surgeons here-- there are, but they seem to get weeded

out pretty quickly.

I've also been surprised at the amount of painkillers I've seen people from

the US talk about, as well as the skinflint attitude towards PT.

Apparently, the profit-motivated HMOs in the US find painkillers cheaper

than physiotherapy. It seems to me that many medical decisions described

here are made more on the basis of cost than on the good/needs of the

patient. Score one for socialized medicine, with all its faults. I just

can not understand how any ethical physician can insist that physiotherapy

after a joint replacement is " unnecessary " .

It also occurs to me that if so many people are in such severe pain for so

long after surgery, then there's something basically wrong, either with the

medical profession itself, or with the financial constraints that a fully

privatized system imposes on the medical profession. The only alternative

to these that I can see is that those in the US who have been relatively

pain-free either don't belong or contribute to this forum.

The criteria for discharge here (Israel) for TKR and THR patients is that

before you leave the hospital/rehab facility, you must be able to cope with

crutches and a flight of stairs, up and down. Average hospital stay is 5

days, those who need it can get up to 30 days at a rehab center. No one

goes home with a walker, period. Once home, I received 6 weeks of 3-times a

week home PT visits, and another 6 weeks of outpatient PT at my local health

clinic. Thanks to the socialized medical system, this costs the patient

absolutely zero, other than their regular health insurance premium, which is

based on an income percentage. From the statistics I've been able to find,

success rate is around 98%, with half of the failures coming from patients

who disregarded the limitations and physiotherapy.

Of the people I'm in contact with on a local joint replacement forum, none

describe the kind of nightmares that we see on this board. Believe me,

seeing some of the postings on this board has made me count my blessings for

living in a country with a socialized healthcare system that works, even

with all its problems, and it's made me a lot less critical of the local

system.

Greywolf - RTHR-2003; LTHR-2004

mdavison@...

painkillers

One of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about is the

amount of painkillers that seem to be given out in other countries,

particularly the USA.

In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hip and

knee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol) or panadine

(500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I have never heard of a

patient in Australia being given the morphine doses for arthritis. I

actually think Australia undertreats pain in case you were wondering.

It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis for medical

treatment. I feel really privilaged to be part of the group that is

international. Where different countries have different attitudes about

items I take it as a cultural rule and decide what I want to do. Where

countries all seem to maintain a rule I take that as a medical rule and obey

it.

Aussie Margaret

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Hi Margaret, I can't remember what kind of medicine I was on but I don't think I ever was given a pill with morphine in it I think after my operations I was given a IV drip where you push the button if you where in Pain, sometimes the way I feel I could use a pill with morphine in it but I don't think they would be good for you . I hope this makes since .Well you take care and have a nice day :-) SusieMargaret <zztinau@...> wrote: One of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about isthe amount of painkillers that seem to be given out in othercountries, particularly the USA.In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hipand knee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol)or panadine (500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I havenever heard of a patient in Australia being given the morphine dosesfor arthritis. I actually think Australia undertreats pain in caseyou were wondering.It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis formedical treatment. I feel really privilaged to be part of the groupthat is international. Where different countries have differentattitudes about items I take it as a cultural rule and

decide what Iwant to do. Where countries all seem to maintain a rule I take thatas a medical rule and obey it.Aussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004

[Guest guest]

Hi Aussie Margaret,

I don't think it is just a cultural or country related issue so much

as physician. Even in the USA, there are many doctors who don't

believe in prescribing much in the use of pain killers. That is why

" pain clinics " are popping up all over the place. Only in these

clinics can a patient in chronic pain go and be treated as anything

other than an adict looking for a " fix " .

Keep stoking,

Alan in NJ/USA

>

> One of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about is

> the amount of painkillers that seem to be given out in other

> countries, particularly the USA.

>

> In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hip

> and knee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol)

> or panadine (500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I have

> never heard of a patient in Australia being given the morphine doses

> for arthritis. I actually think Australia undertreats pain in case

> you were wondering.

>

> It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis for

> medical treatment. I feel really privilaged to be part of the group

> that is international. Where different countries have different

> attitudes about items I take it as a cultural rule and decide what I

> want to do. Where countries all seem to maintain a rule I take that

> as a medical rule and obey it.

>

> Aussie Margaret

> RTHR 1990 revised 2004

>

[Guest guest]

While in the hospital I had a morphine drip for part of the time then I was just on Vicodin every four hours. I would lie there in the hospital checking the time to see when my next pill would come. And they sent me home with Vicodin but those ran out two weeks after surgery. Fortunately, I had some other pain pills at home but by four weeks I didn't need anything other than Tylenol.

I still (almost 10 weeks out) feel the need for Tylenol, mostly for stiffness and just feeling sore from PT. This is my last week of PT and still don't have great extension and have ok flexion. But I figure I will purchase a bicycle and work on my flexibility.

-----Original Message-----From: Joint Replacement [mailto:Joint Replacement ]On Behalf Of Suzanne SnyderSent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:40 PMJoint Replacement Subject: Re: painkillers

Hi Margaret,

I can't remember what kind of medicine I was on but I don't think I ever was given a pill with morphine in it I think after my operations I was given a IV drip where you push the button if you where in Pain, sometimes the way I feel I could use a pill with morphine in it but I don't think they would be good for you . I hope this makes since .Well you take care and have a nice day :-)

SusieMargaret <zztinau .au> wrote:

One of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about isthe amount of painkillers that seem to be given out in othercountries, particularly the USA.In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hipand knee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol)or panadine (500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I havenever heard of a patient in Australia being given the morphine dosesfor arthritis. I actually think Australia undertreats pain in caseyou were wondering.It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis formedical treatment. I feel really privilaged to be part of the groupthat is international. Where different countries have differentattitudes about items I take it as a cultural rule and decide what Iwant to do. Where countries all seem to maintain a rule I take thatas a medical rule and obey it.Aussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004

[Guest guest]

Just like your country's stand on gun ownership is. Ridiculous in my opinion. And do you honestly think the criminals in Australia worry about the gun laws? Nope. Go take a look at the stats someday on crime(especially murder rates) in your country before you all started those crazy gun laws, and now, after. All those kinds of laws do is control the individual law abiding citizen. Does nothing for the criminals, that's why they call them criminals, they commit crimes and care nothing about the laws put in place to try to stop or suppress them from committing those crimes.

Dale

painkillers

One of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about isthe amount of painkillers that seem to be given out in othercountries, particularly the USA.In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hipand knee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol)or panadine (500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I havenever heard of a patient in Australia being given the morphine dosesfor arthritis. I actually think Australia undertreats pain in caseyou were wondering.It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis formedical treatment. I feel really privilaged to be part of the groupthat is international. Where different countries have differentattitudes about items I take it as a cultural rule and decide what Iwant to do. Where countries all seem to maintain a rule I take thatas a medical rule and obey it.Aussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004

[Guest guest]

that does not sound like a bad system as described.

Dale

RE: painkillers

Margaret...The thing is, perception of pain is so individual that blanket policies arevirtually useless. The first night after each surgery, I was given one (1)additional shot of morphine in the middle of the night, and that was thelast of the painkillers I took. Others operated on at the same time wereindividually counselled on painkillers and those who needed them were givenprescriptions to fill. Doctors here seem to have a handle on the idea ofpain management. This is not to say that there are no butchers andshoemakers among the surgeons here-- there are, but they seem to get weededout pretty quickly.I've also been surprised at the amount of painkillers I've seen people fromthe US talk about, as well as the skinflint attitude towards PT.Apparently, the profit-motivated HMOs in the US find painkillers cheaperthan physiotherapy. It seems to me that many medical decisions describedhere are made more on the basis of cost than on the good/needs of thepatient. Score one for socialized medicine, with all its faults. I justcan not understand how any ethical physician can insist that physiotherapyafter a joint replacement is "unnecessary".It also occurs to me that if so many people are in such severe pain for solong after surgery, then there's something basically wrong, either with themedical profession itself, or with the financial constraints that a fullyprivatized system imposes on the medical profession. The only alternativeto these that I can see is that those in the US who have been relativelypain-free either don't belong or contribute to this forum.The criteria for discharge here (Israel) for TKR and THR patients is thatbefore you leave the hospital/rehab facility, you must be able to cope withcrutches and a flight of stairs, up and down. Average hospital stay is 5days, those who need it can get up to 30 days at a rehab center. No onegoes home with a walker, period. Once home, I received 6 weeks of 3-times aweek home PT visits, and another 6 weeks of outpatient PT at my local healthclinic. Thanks to the socialized medical system, this costs the patientabsolutely zero, other than their regular health insurance premium, which isbased on an income percentage. From the statistics I've been able to find,success rate is around 98%, with half of the failures coming from patientswho disregarded the limitations and physiotherapy.Of the people I'm in contact with on a local joint replacement forum, nonedescribe the kind of nightmares that we see on this board. Believe me,seeing some of the postings on this board has made me count my blessings forliving in a country with a socialized healthcare system that works, evenwith all its problems, and it's made me a lot less critical of the localsystem.Greywolf - RTHR-2003; LTHR-2004mdavisonnetvision (DOT) net.il-----Original Message-----From: Joint Replacement [mailto:Joint Replacement ] On Behalf Of MargaretSent: 18 March, 2007 11:30 AMJoint Replacement Subject: painkillersOne of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about is theamount of painkillers that seem to be given out in other countries,particularly the USA.In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hip andknee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol) or panadine(500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I have never heard of apatient in Australia being given the morphine doses for arthritis. Iactually think Australia undertreats pain in case you were wondering.It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis for medicaltreatment. I feel really privilaged to be part of the group that isinternational. Where different countries have different attitudes aboutitems I take it as a cultural rule and decide what I want to do. Wherecountries all seem to maintain a rule I take that as a medical rule and obeyit.Aussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004--------------------------------------------My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.digiportal.com

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, will your doctor give you more PT? I got six weeks total, but I am stretching them out by only going twice a week. Terry

Re: painkillers

Hi Margaret,

I can't remember what kind of medicine I was on but I don't think I ever was given a pill with morphine in it I think after my operations I was given a IV drip where you push the button if you where in Pain, sometimes the way I feel I could use a pill with morphine in it but I don't think they would be good for you . I hope this makes since .Well you take care and have a nice day :-)

Susie

Margaret <zztinau .au> wrote:

One of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about is

the amount of painkillers that seem to be given out in other

countries, particularly the USA.

In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hip

and knee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol)

or panadine (500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I have

never heard of a patient in Australia being given the morphine doses

for arthritis. I actually think Australia undertreats pain in case

you were wondering.

It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis for

medical treatment. I feel really privilaged to be part of the group

that is international. Where different countries have different

attitudes about items I take it as a cultural rule and decide what I

want to do. Where countries all seem to maintain a rule I take that

as a medical rule and obey it.

Aussie Margaret

RTHR 1990 revised 2004

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Terry, I guess with your insurance, your doctor had to refer you to the PT? Under mine, the surgeon had nothing to do with PT. They decided how often I needed to go and communicated with the insurance company directly to get the visits approved. I don't why the heck your surgeon acts like your physical therapy is coming out of his pocket. What is it to him! I don't think it would hurt to at least talk to a few attorneys out there, tell them your story and see what they think. This guy sounds like he could do more harm than good. Warm regards, Donnaabcdollsco@... wrote: , will your doctor give you more PT? I got six weeks total, but I am stretching them out by only going twice a week. Terry RE: painkillers While in the hospital I had a morphine drip for part of the time then I was just on Vicodin every four hours. I would lie there in the hospital checking the

time to see when my next pill would come. And they sent me home with Vicodin but those ran out two weeks after surgery. Fortunately, I had some other pain pills at home but by four weeks I didn't need anything other than Tylenol. I still (almost 10 weeks out) feel the need for Tylenol, mostly for stiffness and just feeling sore from PT. This is my last week of PT and still don't have great extension and have ok flexion. But I figure I will purchase a bicycle and work on my flexibility. -----Original Message-----From: Joint Replacement [mailto:Joint Replacement ]On Behalf Of Suzanne SnyderSent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:40 PMJoint Replacement Subject: Re: painkillers Hi Margaret, I can't remember what kind of medicine I was on but I don't think I ever was given a pill with morphine in it I think after my operations I was given a IV drip where you push the button if you where in Pain, sometimes the way I feel I could use a pill with morphine in it but I don't think they would be good for you . I hope this makes since .Well you take care and have a nice day :-) SusieMargaret <zztinau .au> wrote: One of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about isthe amount of painkillers that seem to be given out in othercountries, particularly the USA.In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hipand knee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol)or panadine (500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I havenever heard of a patient in Australia being given the morphine dosesfor arthritis. I actually think Australia undertreats pain in caseyou were wondering.It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis formedical treatment. I feel

really privilaged to be part of the groupthat is international. Where different countries have differentattitudes about items I take it as a cultural rule and decide what Iwant to do. Where countries all seem to maintain a rule I take thatas a medical rule and obey it.Aussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004 AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

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I had four weeks to begin with (two weeks of 5 days a week, and two weeks of three times a week) then he gave me four more weeks of twice a week. He could give me more but frankly I feel like I've done all I can and it's making my work schedule difficult to go when I do. I think the hamstrings will eventually relax and I'll have the full flexibility I need. I feel like riding a bike and walking more will help, too.

RE: painkillers

While in the hospital I had a morphine drip for part of the time then I was just on Vicodin every four hours. I would lie there in the hospital checking the time to see when my next pill would come. And they sent me home with Vicodin but those ran out two weeks after surgery. Fortunately, I had some other pain pills at home but by four weeks I didn't need anything other than Tylenol.

I still (almost 10 weeks out) feel the need for Tylenol, mostly for stiffness and just feeling sore from PT. This is my last week of PT and still don't have great extension and have ok flexion. But I figure I will purchase a bicycle and work on my flexibility.

-----Original Message-----From: Joint Replacement [mailto:Joint Replacement ]On Behalf Of Suzanne SnyderSent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:40 PMJoint Replacement Subject: Re: painkillers

Hi Margaret,

I can't remember what kind of medicine I was on but I don't think I ever was given a pill with morphine in it I think after my operations I was given a IV drip where you push the button if you where in Pain, sometimes the way I feel I could use a pill with morphine in it but I don't think they would be good for you . I hope this makes since .Well you take care and have a nice day :-)

SusieMargaret <zztinau .au> wrote:

One of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about isthe amount of painkillers that seem to be given out in othercountries, particularly the USA.In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hipand knee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol)or panadine (500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I havenever heard of a patient in Australia being given the morphine dosesfor arthritis. I actually think Australia undertreats pain in caseyou were wondering.It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis formedical treatment. I feel really privilaged to be part of the groupthat is international. Where different countries have differentattitudes about items I take it as a cultural rule and decide what Iwant to do. Where countries all seem to maintain a rule I take thatas a medical rule and obey it.Aussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004

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Donna, My doc decides all, however if PT think that I need more, they will write to him and fax it. They will tell him why. Believe me, he has not yet seen my wrath but if he turns me down and I need it, all the things that I feel about him will be coming forth. hehehehe. Terry

Re: painkillers

Hi Margaret,

I can't remember what kind of medicine I was on but I don't think I ever was given a pill with morphine in it I think after my operations I was given a IV drip where you push the button if you where in Pain, sometimes the way I feel I could use a pill with morphine in it but I don't think they would be good for you . I hope this makes since .Well you take care and have a nice day :-)

Susie

Margaret <zztinau .au> wrote:

One of the things that I, as an aussie, have been surprised about is

the amount of painkillers that seem to be given out in other

countries, particularly the USA.

In Australia, at least at the hospital I attended, patients after hip

and knee surgery leave the hospital with panadol (500mg Paracetamol)

or panadine (500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine Phosphate). I have

never heard of a patient in Australia being given the morphine doses

for arthritis. I actually think Australia undertreats pain in case

you were wondering.

It's interesting watching how the various cultures form a basis for

medical treatment. I feel really privilaged to be part of the group

that is international. Where different countries have different

attitudes about items I take it as a cultural rule and decide what I

want to do. Where countries all seem to maintain a rule I take that

as a medical rule and obey it.

Aussie Margaret

RTHR 1990 revised 2004

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