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It's a matter of personal choice, and I choose to avoid soy whenever I

can. Putting " soy toxins " into Google is eye-opening. It is certainly

controversial, with the massive soy industry touting soy as manna from

heaven and others suggesting it is straight from hell. Here's what

Shomon says about it:

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<http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/soydangers.htm>

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> *Do *Soy* Foods Negatively Affect Your Thyroid?

> **A Look at the Downsides of *Soy* *

>

> by Shomon <http://www.thyroid-info.com/contact.htm>

>

> It seems that there's isn't a newspaper, magazine or news program that

> hasn't recently featured a story on the amazing health benefits of

> *soy* food products and *soy*/isoflavone supplements. *Soy* is

> promoted as a healthy alternative to estrogen replacement for some

> women, as a possibly way to reduce the risk of breast cancer, as a way

> to minimize menopause symptoms, and as a healthier, low-fat protein

> alternative for meats and poultry. But what all the positive stories

> fail to mention is that there is a very real -- but very overlooked --

> downside to the heavy or long-term use of *soy* products.

>

> *Soy* products increase the risk of thyroid disease. And this danger

> is particularly great for infants on *soy* formula.

>

> This is not information that the powerful and profitable U.S. *soy*

> industry <http://stratsoy.ag.uiuc.edu/> wants you to know. The sale of

> *soy* products is big business, and the increasing demand for *soy*

> protein products, *soy* powders and *soy* isoflavone supplements is

> making that an even more profitable business than ever before.

>

> In researching my book, Living Well With *Hypothyroidism*

> <http://www.thyroid-info.com/book.htm>, which covers the issue of

> *soy* products and the thyroid in great depth, I talked to Dr. Mike

> Fitzpatrick, an environmental scientist and phytoestrogen researcher

> who has conducted in-depth studies on *soy*, particularly the use of

> *soy* formulas. Dr. Fitzpatrick makes it clear that *soy* products can

> have a detrminental affect on both adults and infants. In particular,

> he firmly believe that *soy* formula manufacturers should remove the

> isoflavones -- that part of the *soy* products that act as

> anti-thyroid agents -- from their products.

>

> Researchers have identified that the isoflavones act as potent

> anti-thyroid agents, and are capable of suppressing thyroid function,

> and causing or worsening *hypothyroidism*. *Soy* is a phytoestrogen,

> and therefore acts in the body much like a hormone, so it's no

> surprise that it interacts with the delicate balance of the thyroid's

> hormonal systems. High consumption of *soy* products are also proven

> to cause goiter, (/Anti-thyroid isoflavones from soybean: isolation,

> characterization, and mechanisms of action,/

>

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9464451 & form=6 & db=m & Dop\

t=b>

> Divi RL; Chang HC; Doerge DR, National Center for Toxicological

> Research, Jefferson, AR 72079, USA, Biochem Pharmacol, 1997 Nov,

> 54:10, 1087-96)

>

> Note: The best source of information on *soy* and its negative impact

> on health can be found at the *Soy* Online Service

> <http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/>, and in particular, its page on

> phytoestrogenic effects of *soy*, and impact on the thyroid.

> <http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/thyroid.htm>

>

>

> Isoflavones belong to the flavonoid or bioflavonoid family of

> chemicals, and are considered endocrine disruptors

> <http://www.epa.gov/endocrine/> -- plants or other products that act

> as hormones, disrupting the endocrine system, and in some cases, this

> disruption involves acting as an anti-thyroid agent. (The grain

> millet, for example, contains high levels of flavonoids, and is

> commonly known as problematic for thyroid function). Flavonoids

> inhibit thyroid peroxidase (TPO), which disturbs proper thyroid function.

>

> The March 1999 issue of /Natural Health/ magazine has a feature on

> *soy* that quotes R. Doerge, Ph.D., a researcher at the Food

> and Drug Aministration's National Center for Toxicological Research.

> Dr. Doerge has researched soy's anti-thyroid properties, and has said

> " ...I see substantial risks from taking *soy* supplements or eating

> huge amounts of soyfoods for their putative disease preventive value.

> There is definitely potential for interaction with the thyroid. "

>

> One UK study of premenopausal women gave 60 grams of *soy* protein per

> day for one month. This was found to disrupt the menstrual cycle, with

> the effects of the isoflavones continuing for a full three months

> after stopping the *soy* in the diet. Isoflavones are also known to

> modify fertility and change sex hormone status. Isoflavones have been

> shown to have serious health effects -- including infertility, thyroid

> disease or liver disease -- on a number of mammals.

>

> Dr. Fitzpatrick believes that people with *hypothyroidism* should

> avoid *soy* products, because, " any inhibition of TPO will clearly

> work against anyone trying to correct an hypothyroid state. " In

> addition, he believes that the current promotion of *soy* as a health

> food will result in an increase in thyroid disorders.

>

> *The Dangers of *Soy* Formulas *

>

> Since the late 1950's, it has been known that *soy* formulas contain

> anti-thyroid agents. Infants on *soy* formula are particularly

> vulnerable to developing autoimmune thyroid disease when exposed to

> high exposure of isoflavones over time. ( /Breast and *soy*-formula

> feedings in early infancy and the prevalence of autoimmune thyroid

> disease in children./

>

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=2338464 & form=6 & db=m & Dop\

t=b>

> Fort P; Moses N; Fasano M; Goldberg T; Lifshitz F Department of

> Pediatrics, North Shore University Hospital-Cornell University Medical

> College, Manhasset, New York 11030. J Am Coll Nutr, 1990 Apr, 9:2,

> 164-7) This study found that the frequency of feedings with

> *soy*-based milk formulas in early life was noticeably higher in

> children with autoimmune thyroid disease, and thyroid problems were

> almost triple in those *soy* formula-fed children compared to their

> siblings and healthy unrelated children. Dr. Fitzpatrick even believes

> that long-term feeding with *soy* formulas inhibits TPO to such an

> extent that long-term elevated TSH levels can also raise the risk of

> thyroid cancer.

>

> Not much is being done in the U.S. to make parents aware of the

> thyroid-related dangers of *soy* formulas, or to alert the public that

> heavy *soy* consumption may be a danger to thyroid function. Other

> countries, however, are far ahead of the U.S. In July of 1996, the

> British Department of Health issued a warning that the phytoestrogens

> found in *soy*-based infant formulas could adversely affect infant

> health. The warning was clear, indicating that *soy* formula should

> only be given to babies on the advice of a health professional. They

> advised that babies who cannot be breastfed or who have allergies to

> other formulas be given alternatives to *soy*-based formulas.

>

> Why more information is not available about these concerns is probably

> a function of the tremendous strength of the large agricultural

> companies that dominate America's *soy* market. One thing is clear,

> however. At the same time that health experts, and nearly every radio

> and television health program in the nation touts *soy* as the miracle

> health food of the new millenium, the United States pediatric and

> medical community needs to get more on top of this issue, and begin to

> counsel their patients regarding the serious impact use of *soy*

> products can have on thyroid function.

>

> *How Much *Soy* is Safe? *

>

> According to the *Soy* Online Service, for infants, any *soy* is too

> much. For adults, just 30 mg of *soy* isoflavones per day is the

> amount found to have a negative impact on thyroid function. This

> amount of *soy* isoflavones is found in just 5-8 ounces of *soy* milk,

> or 1.5 ounces of miso. For more information on how much *soy* is too

> much, see the *Soy* Online Service guidance page

> <http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/sos_guidance.htm>.

>

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If you buy packaged/canned foods you pretty much cannot avoid soy

completely, as it is in so many products; often without being listed of

the label. TVP is made from soy, for example.

IMHO the soy industry has taken a waste product always considered unfit

for human consumption that contains numerous toxins and has converted it

to a " health food " . While some of the toxins can be removed not all of

them are. IMHO it was one of the most successful

propaganda/advertisement campaigns of all time.

Regards,

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>

> Posted by: " pilarave2@... " averyp22@...

> <mailto:averyp22@...?Subject=%20Re%3Asoy>

> pilarave2@...

> <pilarave2sbcglobal (DOT) net>

>

>

> Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:43 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> Oh my goodness, I drink soy milk in my coffee...I should have known

> better, a friend of mine advised me against it...hmm, thanks so much

> for the tip.

>

> Pilar

> Houston, Tx

>

>

> >

> > You need to eat a healthy diet but beyond that foods aren't going to

> > help. You have to have T3 [which normally you make from T4] if your

> > body does not produce it or you will die.

> >

> > Foods that are called goitrogens [Google it] should probably be limited

> > or avoided; but personally I don't bother. Soy [at least if

> > unfermented] is a no-no, but I try to avoid it as much as possible

> > anyway [given that it is in so many foods it's almost impossible to

> > avoid completely].

> >

> > Luck,

> >

> > .

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