Re: OFF TOPIC: Health Care Bill

[Guest guest]

If someone is offering to find government contacts with whom you can discuss and

petition your concerns the health affirming choice is to simply take the best

action possible. While it is true that government (both parties) and industry

are in bed and increasingly corrupt as institutions, both also are filled with

people who are actual people, not evil-doers, but people who believe they are

doing the right thing, whether you or I agree with them or not. Creating

'others' is as bad for our health as losing access to drugs.

The government is a big institution that is out of touch with the people it's

true AND most people have forgotten or never learned to be real engaged

citizens. When we create drama's and projections whether they're about Obama or

Bush, we participate in a much larger sickness.

[Guest guest]

Elanne, I totally agree with you.

I also think we in the US sometimes may forget, or don't stop to think, that

this is an international group. I doubt that people who live in other countries

around the world, especially those with universal health care, who come to this

group looking for practical information about LDN use, have any interest in our

petty political disagreements. My guess is their reaction is a bored " Ho-hum,

there they go again. " It is not conducive to spreading the knowledge of LDN.

Konnie

>

> If someone is offering to find government contacts with whom you can discuss

and petition your concerns the health affirming choice is to simply take the

best action possible. While it is true that government (both parties) and

industry are in bed and increasingly corrupt as institutions, both also are

filled with people who are actual people, not evil-doers, but people who believe

they are doing the right thing, whether you or I agree with them or not.

Creating 'others' is as bad for our health as losing access to drugs.

>

> The government is a big institution that is out of touch with the people it's

true AND most people have forgotten or never learned to be real engaged

citizens. When we create drama's and projections whether they're about Obama or

Bush, we participate in a much larger sickness.

>

[Guest guest]

On the other hand, folks from Scotland, Ireland, the UK in general, and other places in Europe have posted various links to petitions, gatherings, hearings, conventions, etc., asking for help and support in dealing with their governmental bodies re LDN. I live in the US, yet I've been perfectly happy to do what I can to support my listmates in other parts of the world, and am concerned about their healthcare concerns in their countries. Why should they be less interested in the impact the US healthcare system has on the availability of health care for me? Isn't the purpose of this list, at least in part, to help improve the availability of LDN for *everyone*? And aren't we in agreement that our governments and health care systems have at least some influence on that availability?Just spreading the knowledge among ourselves will do little to help the majority of folks who need the help that LDN can provide. We have to act in the outside world, and whatever we can do to help each other do so effectively is conducive to spreading the knowledge of LDN. Even if that means occasionally putting up with a bit of the old 'been there, done that' feeling.~EileenOn Jun 11, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Karolyn wrote:

Elanne, I totally agree with you.

I also think we in the US sometimes may forget, or don't stop to think, that this is an international group. I doubt that people who live in other countries around the world, especially those with universal health care, who come to this group looking for practical information about LDN use, have any interest in our petty political disagreements. My guess is their reaction is a bored "Ho-hum, there they go again." It is not conducive to spreading the knowledge of LDN.

Konnie

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> If someone is offering to find government contacts with whom you can discuss and petition your concerns the health affirming choice is to simply take the best action possible. While it is true that government (both parties) and industry are in bed and increasingly corrupt as institutions, both also are filled with people who are actual people, not evil-doers, but people who believe they are doing the right thing, whether you or I agree with them or not. Creating 'others' is as bad for our health as losing access to drugs.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Eileen,

Just before I read your post I was having the same thoughts as to your exact statements and you put it into words better than I could have. If policy changes and information were not on this site I would not know anything about it until a later date. The sooner I understand these changes, the better. I am very concerned about the losses of choice we are experiencing and at the same time very concerned for all who do not have health insurance.

K

[Guest guest]

Off topic says it all.My personal opinion:   I view the posts on this site for information regarding the use of ldn.  If I wanted to hear political misunderstandings and political opinions I would go to some of the blogs where such things are expected and tolerated. 

Please don't subject others to your political 'insights' and rumors,  no matter how well meaning you think you are.  The " Health Care Bill " is a totally different topic than low dose naltrexone.

Off topic should be off site.larry  ---------- Forwarded message ----------From: Eileen <ravensegge@...>

Date: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:47 PMSubject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: OFF TOPIC: Health Care Billldn <low dose naltrexone >

 

On the other hand, folks from Scotland, Ireland, the UK in general, and other places in Europe have posted various links to petitions, gatherings, hearings, conventions, etc., asking for help and support in dealing with their governmental bodies re LDN.  I live in the US, yet I've been perfectly happy to do what I can to support my listmates in other parts of the world, and am concerned about their healthcare concerns in their countries.  Why should they be less interested in the impact the US healthcare system has on the availability of health care for me?  Isn't the purpose of this list, at least in part, to help improve the availability of LDN for *everyone*?  And aren't we in agreement that our governments and health care systems have at least some influence on that availability?

Just spreading the knowledge among ourselves will do little to help the majority of folks who need the help that LDN can provide.  We have to act in the outside world, and whatever we can do to help each other do so effectively is conducive to spreading the knowledge of LDN.  Even if that means occasionally putting up with a bit of the old 'been there, done that' feeling.

~EileenOn Jun 11, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Karolyn wrote:

 

Elanne, I totally agree with you.

I also think we in the US sometimes may forget, or don't stop to think, that this is an international group. I doubt that people who live in other countries around the world, especially those with universal health care, who come to this group looking for practical information about LDN use, have any interest in our petty political disagreements. My guess is their reaction is a bored " Ho-hum, there they go again. " It is not conducive to spreading the knowledge of LDN.

Konnie

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> If someone is offering to find government contacts with whom you can discuss and petition your concerns the health affirming choice is to simply take the best action possible. While it is true that government (both parties) and industry are in bed and increasingly corrupt as institutions, both also are filled with people who are actual people, not evil-doers, but people who believe they are doing the right thing, whether you or I agree with them or not. Creating 'others' is as bad for our health as losing access to drugs.

> 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Eileen

First I have to thank you for your support in anything we are

doing this side of the pond. What we are trying to achieve here in Ireland and

the UK and Scotland is to get the government’s to run trials on LDN. This

will, I hope, make LDN available for all. We are not government bashing but merely

trying to get the government to pay for something that will help the world.

In Ireland there are 4,000,000 of us, so it would be easier to

put pressure as a group on our government to spend the money than in the US.

Our health care is gone to pot, people here are broke and our

government took the lads out on a golfing trip that cost 80,000 euro or 100,000

usd. Nobody wants to hear about that.

So your help in trying to get LDN approved in any country will

have a knock on effect all around the world, at least thats what we are working

on

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Eileen

Sent: 12 June 2010 00:47

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Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: OFF TOPIC: Health Care Bill

On the other hand, folks from Scotland, Ireland, the UK in general, and

other places in Europe have posted various links to petitions, gatherings,

hearings, conventions, etc., asking for help and support in dealing with their

governmental bodies re LDN. I live in the US, yet I've been perfectly

happy to do what I can to support my listmates in other parts of the world, and

am concerned about their healthcare concerns in their countries. Why

should they be less interested in the impact the US healthcare system has on

the availability of health care for me? Isn't the purpose of this list,

at least in part, to help improve the availability of LDN for *everyone*?

And aren't we in agreement that our governments and health care systems

have at least some influence on that availability?

Just spreading the knowledge among ourselves will do little

to help the majority of folks who need the help that LDN can provide. We

have to act in the outside world, and whatever we can do to help each other do

so effectively is conducive to spreading the knowledge of LDN. Even if

that means occasionally putting up with a bit of the old 'been there, done

that' feeling.

~Eileen

On Jun 11, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Karolyn wrote:

Elanne, I totally agree with you.

I also think we in the US sometimes may forget, or don't stop to think, that

this is an international group. I doubt that people who live in other countries

around the world, especially those with universal health care, who come to this

group looking for practical information about LDN use, have any interest in our

petty political disagreements. My guess is their reaction is a bored

" Ho-hum, there they go again. " It is not conducive to spreading the

knowledge of LDN.

Konnie

>

> If someone is offering to find government contacts with whom you can

discuss and petition your concerns the health affirming choice is to simply

take the best action possible. While it is true that government (both parties)

and industry are in bed and increasingly corrupt as institutions, both also are

filled with people who are actual people, not evil-doers, but people who

believe they are doing the right thing, whether you or I agree with them or

not. Creating 'others' is as bad for our health as losing access to drugs.

>

[Guest guest]

Seems like we can type til our fingers curl, people don't think THE RULES OF >THIS< GROUP APPLIES TO >THEM<

So far I've noticed all the alarmist fear mongers have been differing from Reality. They take someone else's alarmist fear mongering as fact.

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THIS IS LDN 101, NOT Anything else.

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Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: OFF TOPIC: Health Care Billldn <low dose naltrexone >

On the other hand, folks from Scotland, Ireland, the UK in general, and other places in Europe have posted various links to petitions, gatherings, hearings, conventions, etc., asking for help and support in dealing with their governmental bodies re LDN. I live in the US, yet I've been perfectly happy to do what I can to support my listmates in other parts of the world, and am concerned about their healthcare concerns in their countries. Why should they be less interested in the impact the US healthcare system has on the availability of health care for me? Isn't the purpose of this list, at least in part, to help improve the availability of LDN for *everyone*? And aren't we in agreement that our governments and health care systems have at least some influence on that availability?

Just spreading the knowledge among ourselves will do little to help the majority of folks who need the help that LDN can provide. We have to act in the outside world, and whatever we can do to help each other do so effectively is conducive to spreading the knowledge of LDN. Even if that means occasionally putting up with a bit of the old 'been there, done that' feeling.

~Eileen

On Jun 11, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Karolyn wrote:

Elanne, I totally agree with you.I also think we in the US sometimes may forget, or don't stop to think, that this is an international group. I doubt that people who live in other countries around the world, especially those with universal health care, who come to this group looking for practical information about LDN use, have any interest in our petty political disagreements. My guess is their reaction is a bored "Ho-hum, there they go again." It is not conducive to spreading the knowledge of LDN.Konnie>> If someone is offering to find government contacts with whom you can discuss and petition your concerns the health affirming choice is to simply take the best action possible. While it is true that government (both parties) and industry are in bed and increasingly corrupt as institutions, both also are filled with people who are actual people, not evil-doers, but people who believe they are doing the right thing, whether you or I agree with them or not. Creating 'others' is as bad for our health as losing access to drugs. >

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[Guest guest]

You are quite right in saying that we need to support each others concerns,

regardless of where we live, but alerting people to events, etc., & asking

people, in a reasonable way, to sign petitions in the cause of LDN is one thing.

To engage in contentious political quibbling is quite another, and I for one, do

not think it is appropriate here.

If you wish to discuss this further, please feel free to email me privately.

Konnie

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> On the other hand, folks from Scotland, Ireland, the UK in general, and other

places in Europe have posted various links to petitions, gatherings, hearings,

conventions, etc., asking for help and support in dealing with their

governmental bodies re LDN. I live in the US, yet I've been perfectly happy to

do what I can to support my listmates in other parts of the world, and am

concerned about their healthcare concerns in their countries.