Re: When LDN stops working

[Guest guest]

I agree with the selective nature of science and research. But it was

the sort of study I personally love. I really didn't have to do much

- recording what I ate and taking some fluid samples was easy. And I

got paid to participate. I never did follow up to find out the final

study results. I should have, just to see what they said, although I

wasn't as informed about nearly as much of this stuff as I am now. I

was at my last job so it has to have been over 6 years ago.

I did flouside trays as a kid. Who knows if they were helpful or not

- but I will say I have great teeth - my dentist comments every time I

see her.

Cheers,

Jaxi

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

> Hi Jaxi,

>

> The whole issue of fluoride is fraught. Research shows that even though

> there is an advantage to children's teeth when they are 9 and 10, by the

> time they are 11 and 12 the advantage has been lost and fluoridated children

> start having worse dental health than nonfluoridated. However, when the

> medical industry quotes the research, they leave off the last part and only

> quote the early advantage.  I'm sure you're aware of the problem of

> selectively utilized research results.

>

> Taking fluoride internally has been shown to not really help teeth.

>  External application in the form of rinses etc has been shown to have some

> efficacy for some people.  On the other hand, taking fluoride internally has

> definite negative health effects that are being suppressed, and number one

> is that it sits in what should be the iodine cell receptors thus robbing the

> body of health.

>

> In short, people do not need fluoride supplementation for health.  Despite

> the fact that you were involved in a study with the basic assumption that

> that is true, the institution was simply operating from the status quo

> beliefs on fluoride, which are based on faulty information.

>

> best wishes,

> --

>

>

>

>

>

> At 04:25 PM 6/24/2010, you wrote:

>>

>> - thank you for sharing.  That was facinating and I was

>> unaware of most of it.  I don't like too much salt and pretty much

>> never salt my food.  I think it started when I was a kid because my

>> folks started cutting salt out due to my Dad's high BP.  I have never

>> looked into iodine levels.  My thyroid was an area of concern in my

>> early 20s but nothing has come out high/low on any recent tests.

>>

>> Also - FYI - there are concerns kids are not getting enough flouride

>> anymore.  With the large move to bottled water, including many kids,

>> folks are not consuming it in quanities of the past.  I have an RO

>> system at home that filters my water and many folks do have at least

>> some level of water filtration or purchase RO water from the store.  I

>> participated in a study by the U of MN dental school measuring

>> flouride intake.  I had to provide beverage samples and a food intake

>> diary for several days over several months.  They conducted the study

>> specifically due to the concern people were not getting enough to

>> maintain healthy teeth.

>>

>> Jaxi

>>

>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

>> >

>> >>Iodine deficiency was very common in the US years ago until iodine was

>> >>added to foods.

>> >

>> > It's not added to foods anymore. It was added to bread dough as a dough

>> > conditioner but that was ended in the 1970s and replaced with bromines

>> > (brominated flour, see ingredient lists). Bromines displace iodine in

>> > the

>> > body and are a poison, whereas iodine is a necessary nutrient.  Since

>> > iodine was removed from bread and replaced with bromines, iodine levels

>> > in

>> > the population have plummeted, and cancer rates have skyrocketed.

>> > Another

>> > factor in this is that people are cutting back on salt, so they're not

>> > getting the iodine in salt like they were.  So no, people are not

>> > getting

>> > enough iodine.

>> >

>> >

>> >>My own thyroid disease has nothing to do with iodine levels - more

>> >> likely

>> >>by fluoride overdose - a much more common cause of chronic endocrine

>> >>illnesses in the US these days.

>> >

>> > I will share with you this knowledge and perhaps you will benefit from

>> > it.

>> > Fluoride is a halide, like iodine. When we don't have enough iodine in

>> > our

>> > bodies, other halides can dock onto the cell receptors that should have

>> > iodine, but that now have poisons. Other halides that also do this

>> > include

>> > chlorine and bromides (added to bread, also flame retardants, etc.).  So

>> > if

>> > you want to get rid of fluoride poisoning, you need to increase your

>> > iodine

>> > levels so that the iodine can saturate and it will knock off the other

>> > halides from the cell receptors if there is enough iodine in the body.

>> > The

>> > body uses 6.5mg of iodine every day, but the RDA is 150mcg, a tragic

>> > deficiency. See the link I've provided below.

>> >

>> >>Which Dr. Bernstein are you referring to? - there are many.

>> >

>> > https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.php

>> >

>> > Dr Brownstein's materials cover the biochemistry of the halides.

>> >

>> > with best wishes,

>> > --

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[Guest guest]

Yes, thanks Jaxi. That is quite an endorsement - I think I will try it myself - it appears fairly safe even with my neuroendocrine issues - mainly problems with aged proteins.The worst that can happen is it I don't like it.So, yes that helped a great deal. Thanks, Jackie

From: TomEllis@... <TomEllis@...>

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working" Baker" <vbaker@...>Cc: low dose naltrexone

Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 9:57 AM

All,

I have discovered through research (and confirmed by Dr. Skip) that DLPA is a suggested supplement to enhance the effectiveness of LDN. I have ordered some on-line (www.iherb.com is a good source, as it has several different options, all about $15 for a 60 day supply).

DLPA boosts endorphin production, energy, and is an anti-depressant. I will keep the LDN group posted on my use of DLPA (LDN helped with my MS initially, but the increased energy seems to have worn off, after 90 days of usage.)

Cheers,

Tom

[Guest guest]

in the mid 90's i was reading about flouride. i read that los angeles had

not flouridated the city water supply for a number of years while san

francisco had. comparing dental health stats of school children showed

(data was available) no benefits of flouride were found. no benefits of

significance to any age group have been found in various studies around the

world. while some dental procedures with flouride may provide benefit

agaihnst decay, in general flouridation of water is a worthless and

dangerous sham where the public is being brainwashed into accepting a huge

toxic waste problem as a beneficial nutrient.... marketing madness for the

sake of the health of industry profits as usual.

the alternative if the truth were allowed to dominate would be to have the

public up in arms to clean it up and handle it properly, and lawsuits over

damage and deaths from flouride contribution to disease.

at least that's they way i've learned it and from my experience with gov't,

big biz, american dentistry and medicine, it would take a lot to convince me

that perspective is incorrect.

for some reason L.A. has started flouridating the water again.

> Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working

>

> - thank you for sharing. That was facinating and I was

> unaware of most of it. I don't like too much salt and pretty much

> never salt my food. I think it started when I was a kid because my

> folks started cutting salt out due to my Dad's high BP. I have never

> looked into iodine levels. My thyroid was an area of concern in my

> early 20s but nothing has come out high/low on any recent tests.

>

> Also - FYI - there are concerns kids are not getting enough flouride

> anymore. With the large move to bottled water, including many kids,

> folks are not consuming it in quanities of the past. I have an RO

> system at home that filters my water and many folks do have at least

> some level of water filtration or purchase RO water from the store. I

> participated in a study by the U of MN dental school measuring

> flouride intake. I had to provide beverage samples and a food intake

> diary for several days over several months. They conducted the study

> specifically due to the concern people were not getting enough to

> maintain healthy teeth.

>

> Jaxi

>

[Guest guest]

it was added to salt, helping a lot until people were scared off use of salt

or steered to sea salts and others with no added iodine in them. the way

i've heard it is that is has been removed from foods more than added, most

notably baked goods where it's been replaced by bromides which (i think i

read ) prevent the body from utilizing whatever iodine is available

properly.

for most of us, our grocery store foods, whether common chains or places

like whole foods, the food cones from all over the place. some stores are

stocking more locally grown stuff since it's now popular, but generally the

local soil content doesn't effect the dietary intake as much as it used to

unless it relates to the water supply.

________________________________

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of carcinoidwarrior

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:40 PM

low dose naltrexone ; zahavi

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working

Iodine deficiency was very common in the US years ago until iodine

was added to foods.

Now, it is more common in the Great Lakes area probably due to poor

iodine content in the soil.

My own thyroid disease has nothing to do with iodine levels - more

likely by fluoride overdose - a much more common cause of chronic endocrine

illnesses in the US these days.

Which Dr.. Bernstein are you referring to? - there are many.

J

From: zahavi <zahavi100@...>

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working

low dose naltrexone

Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:24 PM

Iodine is very important for breast cancer.especially when

you start to treat thyroid the breast does not get enough iodine and you are

in problem.

Dr bernstein says most americans do not have enough iodine

Breast Cancer and Iodine : How to Prevent and How to Survive

Breast Cancer

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1552128849?ie=UTF8 & tag=hormondisbal-20 & lin

kCode=as2 & camp=1789 & creative=9325 & creativeASIN=1552128849>

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DL-Phenylalanine 500mg 2x's per day Dr. Bihari recommendation

http://ldn.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=forum & action=display & thread=96

http://ldn.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=personal & action=display & thread=867 & page\

=1

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>

>

> From: TomEllis@... <TomEllis@...>

>

> Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working

> " Baker " <vbaker@...>

> Cc: low dose naltrexone

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 9:57 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> All,

>  

> I have discovered through research (and confirmed by Dr. Skip) that DLPA is a

suggested supplement to enhance the effectiveness of LDN. I have ordered some

on-line (www.iherb.com is a good source, as it has several different options,

all about $15 for a 60 day supply).

>

>  

> DLPA boosts endorphin production, energy, and is an anti-depressant. I will

keep the LDN group posted on my use of DLPA (LDN helped with my MS initially,

but the increased energy seems to have worn off, after 90 days of usage.)

>

>  

> Cheers,

>  

> Tom

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have Crohn's disease and I have been taking DPA for a week now as I was getting a lot of tummy pains late afternoon /evening. It has certainly made a difference. The only downside is it increases blood pressure so some days I'm taking 2 500mg caps, other days just the one if the blood pressure creeps up too much. Since being on LDN, depression hasn't been a problem for me so DPA seems the best choice for me. Admittedly, I haven't tried DLPA to compare.

I had no problem getting it - Dr Best's from iherb.

Cheers....Joan

From: jaxi <jaxi.schulz@...>carcinoidwarrior <carcinoidwarrior@...>Cc: TomEllis@...; low dose naltrexone Sent: Fri, 25 June, 2010 9:14:31 AMSubject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working

DPA, LPA and DLPA ....

DPA - as a stand alone is more indicated for pain management.

LPA - as a stand alone is more indicated for depression

DLPA - TONS easier to find and is typically a 50/50 of the D and L versions

I started DLPA about the same time I started LDN - actually I started the DLPA first because I was still waiting for the Naltrexone in the mail.

I opted for the DLPA for a couple of reasons.

First, I could find it easily. My co-ops, Whole Foods and local health food stores carry it. Some also carry the LPA. But none carry the DPA.

Second, although my primary target was pain - prior to LDN I have been on rather high daily doses of percocet/vicoden/ oxycotin - anyone who has experienced chronic unrelenting pain for any length of time will probably tell you a healthy dose of depressed mood comes along for the ride - so why not target the depression while I was at it.

Interestingly - from the studies/info a read - DLPA has as high a success rate as the SSRIs with a much faster response time. Something else the parmaceutical companies probably don't want generally known.

So - my pain and mood are better - if I switched to DPA would my pain and mood remain better? - possibly - decreased pain has its own positive impact on mood - but then I fall back on the fact I can easily access the DLPA and I am sometimes too lazy to order online - or like to try sometime for awhile first before I order a "largish" quantity online.

Hmmm ... I meant this to be a quick answer. Oh well, hope it helps.

Jaxi

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:29 PM, carcinoidwarrior <carcinoidwarrior> wrote:

Hi Tom,

Can you tell me the difference between DLPA and the d-phenylalanine that Zahavi says is best? It's very confusing.

Thanks, Jackie

From: TomEllis@trellistra vel.com <TomEllis@trellistra vel.com>Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working" Baker" <vbakersstar (DOT) com>Cc: low dose naltrexoneDate: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 9:57 AM

All,

I have discovered through research (and confirmed by Dr. Skip) that DLPA is a suggested supplement to enhance the effectiveness of LDN. I have ordered some on-line (www.iherb.com is a good source, as it has several different options, all about $15 for a 60 day supply).

DLPA boosts endorphin production, energy, and is an anti-depressant. I will keep the LDN group posted on my use of DLPA (LDN helped with my MS initially, but the increased energy seems to have worn off, after 90 days of usage.)

Cheers,

Tom

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Endos do not understand in thyroid problems go to the site

of stop the thyroid madness and there is also a good Group that can help

you find someone that understand how to treat thyroid.

Stop

the Thyroid Madness: A Patient Revolution Against Decades of Inferior Treatment

Also the iodine

as causing problem with thyroid is a myth.there can be detox problem.there is a

good iodine Group.

They work quite similar to the book of dr brownstein.

Iodine:

Why you need it, Why you can't live without it

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Mine does - does no diabetes patients - only thyroid and adrenal with attention to other endocrine problems. There are exceptions to every rule.JFrom: zahavi <zahavi100@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops workinglow dose naltrexone Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 12:38 AM

Endos do not understand in thyroid problems go to the site

of stop the thyroid madness and there is also a good Group that can help

you find someone that understand how to treat thyroid. Stop

the Thyroid Madness: A Patient Revolution Against Decades of Inferior Treatment Also the iodine

as causing problem with thyroid is a myth.there can be detox problem.there is a

good iodine Group. They work quite similar to the book of dr brownstein. Iodine:

Why you need it, Why you can't live without it

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