Re: When LDN stops working

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3 months is hardly enough time to know if LDN has " stopped working " or not.

I think you should keep taking it. At least for a year.

>

> Help! After taking LDN for three months with wonderful results, my LDN stopped

working for me. Has this happened to others? What do you do? My doctor

suggested stopping for 4 days and restarting, which I did, but I only got good

results for two days. Any help will be appreciated!

>

[Guest guest]

It is helpful if you let people know why you are taking it, what dose,

and other medications you might be on. Also - what do you mean by not

working? What effects are no longer present? Each of us take it for

different things and thus measure our success differently depending on

those factors.

A frequent reason it appears to stop working is an overgrowth of

candida in the system which interferes.

Jaxi

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:02 AM, susan_nethery <susan44@...> wrote:

> Help! After taking LDN for three months with wonderful results, my LDN stopped

working for me.  Has this happened to others?  What do you do?  My doctor

suggested stopping for 4 days and restarting, which I did, but I only got good

results for two days.  Any help will be appreciated!  

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Jaxi, thanks for writing. You are right. I should have given the group

more information! Here it is, briefly:

I have Chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, chronic lyme disease, and auto-immune

issues caused by rupture of silicone implants after breast cancer. My first

two months on LDN were awesome, but now I feel like I'm back to square one.

I had a lot of blood work done last week and will discuss the results of

that with my CFIDS doctor tomorrow. I may just be over-doing things....

grandkids just left Sunday after two weeks here, and the next batch comes in

a couple of weeks!

I am on 4 mg of LDN, having worked up to that dose in my third month of

taking it.

Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working

It is helpful if you let people know why you are taking it, what dose,

and other medications you might be on. Also - what do you mean by not

working? What effects are no longer present? Each of us take it for

different things and thus measure our success differently depending on

those factors.

A frequent reason it appears to stop working is an overgrowth of

candida in the system which interferes.

Jaxi

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:02 AM, susan_nethery <susan44@...>

wrote:

> Help! After taking LDN for three months with wonderful results, my LDN

> stopped working for me. Has this happened to others? What do you do? My

> doctor suggested stopping for 4 days and restarting, which I did, but I

> only got good results for two days. Any help will be appreciated!

[Guest guest]

So the benefits you were seeing were increased energy? Less pain?

My understanding is lyme disease is a really hard one to tackle.

Others here are more knowledgable - but from your list of issues I

would say that LDN should not be a stand alone tx for you. Are you on

other medications? I think lyme disease is usually tx with

antibiotics - antibiotics kill the good bacteria in the gut and can

lead to candida issues - so that also brings me back around to the

candida issue. Candida can block LDN from being maximally effective.

I have had to tx for Candida myself having done steroids for pain

management and antibiotics for an ear infection prior to starting LDN.

Also - this seems to a be common thing for us to do - overdoing it

when we feel better - then feeling like crap for awhile. Grandkids

are exhausting in the best of times and the best of health -

especially if they are youngsters.

Another also - from what I have read many fibro/CF people seem to be

very medication sensitive. Not sure if you are one of those folks.

You might need to back off the dose to 3 mg again. Seems like - from

my oberservation reading the postings here - that med sensitive folks

often stay at lower doses and find good success there.

Others feel free to chime in.

Peace,

Jaxi

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Nethery <susan44@...> wrote:

> Jaxi, thanks for writing.  You are right.  I should have given the group

> more information!  Here it is, briefly:

>

> I have Chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, chronic lyme disease, and auto-immune

> issues caused by rupture of silicone implants after breast cancer.  My first

> two months on LDN were awesome, but now I feel like I'm back to square one.

>

> I had a lot of blood work done last week and will discuss the results of

> that with my CFIDS doctor tomorrow.  I may just be over-doing things....

> grandkids just left Sunday after two weeks here, and the next batch comes in

> a couple of weeks!

>

> I am on 4 mg of LDN, having worked up to that dose in my third month of

> taking it.

>

> Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working

>

>

> It is helpful if you let people know why you are taking it, what dose,

> and other medications you might be on.  Also - what do you mean by not

> working?  What effects are no longer present?  Each of us take it for

> different things and thus measure our success differently depending on

> those factors.

>

> A frequent reason it appears to stop working is an overgrowth of

> candida in the system which interferes.

>

> Jaxi

>

> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:02 AM, susan_nethery <susan44@...>

> wrote:

>>

>> Help! After taking LDN for three months with wonderful results, my LDN

>> stopped working for me. Has this happened to others? What do you do? My

>> doctor suggested stopping for 4 days and restarting, which I did, but I only

>> got good results for two days. Any help will be appreciated!

>

>

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I think you have to ask yourself why it may have stopped working, is the filler the right one for you, if not it could negate the effects of LDN. Also, when you say it has stopped working - upon what are you basing this? Sometimes every other day dosing may work better, or a couple of times a week, so many variables, even medicines which you took in the past could change your body pharmacokinetics in how it handles drugs now. Can you pinpoint anything?

Celia

..

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Jaxi:

I know that candida is mentioned alot in these posts and I know that I have a candida overgrowth issue - what is the best way to treat candida overgrowth? I have been told that if I use something too strong to kill the candida, I could have a "herxheimer" reaction which could cause more issues. I am thinking that the LDN that I have been taking for several months is working to some degree for my health issues (I had pain every day in my body and needed to take advil on a daily basis - I also could not run due to pain in my knees). The reason I started LDN is due to an autoimmune disease that I have been diagnosed with call Pemphigus Foliaceus - the LDN hasn't seemed to help that problem although Dr. Bihari treated a patient with it successfully, but it has taken away all the pain in my body and my knees. I can literally run now where I could not run for 20 years! I don't hurt every day like I used to and for that, I am very thankful, but I just wonder if the candida issue is somehow blocking the full benefits of the LDN in clearing my autoimmune condition. What is the best treatment for candida? I am gluten free, dairy free, sugar free. The majority of my diet is organic veggies - greens. I eat organic turkey and beef, wild caught salmon. I drink ample amounts of filtered water (not RO filtered), unsweetend green tea. No soda, no fruit juices, etc.

Any help is welcomed.

Thanks,

Judy

Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working>>> It is helpful if you let people know why you are taking it, what dose,> and other medications you might be on. Also - what do you mean by not> working? What effects are no longer present? Each of us take it for> different things and thus measure our success differently depending on> those factors.>> A frequent reason it appears to stop working is an overgrowth of> candida in the system which interferes.>> Jaxi>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:02 AM, susan_nethery <susan44@...>> wrote:>>>> Help! After taking LDN for three months with wonderful results, my LDN>> stopped working for me. Has this happened to others? What do you do? My>> doctor suggested stopping for 4 days and restarting, which I did, but I only>> got good results for two days. Any help will be appreciated! >>

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Hello ,

While I agree that you may well need additional treatments esp for the

lyme, I have fibro and Hashi's, both autoimmune problems. I don't know

where the information is, and I don't have time to search for it, but there

is a known phenomenon that happens with fibro folks and LDN, where there is

a plateau or regression of relief after 3-4 months on LDN, and then it

improves again. You might well be in that trough. Stay with the LDN,

consider staying at 3mg if you want. I'm considering going back to 3mg to

see how that feels (at 4.5mg now). But until you've been on it a year,

it's not a fair trial.

Another possible issue is that Dr McCandless says that 3 months is a

typical time for an underlying candida problem to rise to the surface, and

that can seem to make LDN less effective.

Also, I recommend adding the iodine protocol to your health practices.

Iodine is being used for breast cancer treatment with great results. At

least 85% of the world's population is iodine deficient, and in addition to

the thyroid, the breasts, prostate, and all reproductive organs, along with

the skin and most other organs, all REQUIRE iodine for proper functioning.

Cell apoptosis requires iodine to properly function, and the rise in cancer

may be correlated to the increasing iodine deficiency (along with rising

toxicities) in the world-- iodine is believed to help prevent cancer. See

www.breastcancerchoices.org and look for the iodine tab. There is an

excellent list on for the iodine protocol, the woman who owns it

cured her thyroid cancer (against doctor's orders and after 2 rounds of

radioactive intervention) with iodine and is studying to become a

naturopathic doctor. Her website is

www.naturalthyroidchoices.com, and she discusses the iodine protocol. The

list address is:

iodine/

LDN lifted the depression and cleared much of the brain fog, when I added

iodine, it gave me a lot more energy. I'm very committed to both, and I

found out about the iodine protocol from this LDN list, many people are on

both protocols.

In addition, someone on the iodine list just posted information on Lyme

specialists who are recommending iodine:

Here is a short article connecting iodine, the thyroid and Lyme Disease.

Several of the Lyme-literate doctors are championing iodine:

http://www.wellsphere.com/lyme-disease-article/lyme-disease-the-thyroid-iodine/1\

138544

Lyme specialist, Dr. Kinghardt, believes iodine is the most critical element:

http://www.neuraltherapy.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdf

with best wishes,

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At 01:08 PM 6/23/2010, you wrote:

>Jaxi, thanks for writing. You are right. I should have given the group

>more information! Here it is, briefly:

>

>I have Chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, chronic lyme disease, and auto-immune

>issues caused by rupture of silicone implants after breast cancer. My first

>two months on LDN were awesome, but now I feel like I'm back to square one.

>

>I had a lot of blood work done last week and will discuss the results of

>that with my CFIDS doctor tomorrow. I may just be over-doing things....

>grandkids just left Sunday after two weeks here, and the next batch comes in

>a couple of weeks!

>

>I am on 4 mg of LDN, having worked up to that dose in my third month of

>taking it.

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

All,

I have discovered through research (and confirmed by Dr. Skip) that DLPA is a suggested supplement to enhance the effectiveness of LDN. I have ordered some on-line (www.iherb.com is a good source, as it has several different options, all about $15 for a 60 day supply).

DLPA boosts endorphin production, energy, and is an anti-depressant. I will keep the LDN group posted on my use of DLPA (LDN helped with my MS initially, but the increased energy seems to have worn off, after 90 days of usage.)

Cheers,

Tom

--- Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops workingFrom: Baker <vbaker@...>Date: Wed, June 23, 2010 10:41 pmlow dose naltrexone

Hello ,While I agree that you may well need additional treatments esp for the lyme, I have fibro and Hashi's, both autoimmune problems. I don't know where the information is, and I don't have time to search for it, but there is a known phenomenon that happens with fibro folks and LDN, where there is a plateau or regression of relief after 3-4 months on LDN, and then it improves again. You might well be in that trough. Stay with the LDN, consider staying at 3mg if you want. I'm considering going back to 3mg to see how that feels (at 4.5mg now). But until you've been on it a year, it's not a fair trial.Another possible issue is that Dr McCandless says that 3 months is a typical time for an underlying candida problem to rise to the surface, and that can seem to make LDN less effective.Also, I recommend adding the iodine protocol to your health practices. Iodine is being used for breast cancer treatment with great results. At least 85% of the world's population is iodine deficient, and in addition to the thyroid, the breasts, prostate, and all reproductive organs, along with the skin and most other organs, all REQUIRE iodine for proper functioning. Cell apoptosis requires iodine to properly function, and the rise in cancer may be correlated to the increasing iodine deficiency (along with rising toxicities) in the world-- iodine is believed to help prevent cancer. See www.breastcancerchoices.org and look for the iodine tab. There is an excellent list on for the iodine protocol, the woman who owns it cured her thyroid cancer (against doctor's orders and after 2 rounds of radioactive intervention) with iodine and is studying to become a naturopathic doctor. Her website iswww.naturalthyroidchoices.com, and she discusses the iodine protocol. The list address is:iodine/LDN lifted the depression and cleared much of the brain fog, when I added iodine, it gave me a lot more energy. I'm very committed to both, and I found out about the iodine protocol from this LDN list, many people are on both protocols.In addition, someone on the iodine list just posted information on Lyme specialists who are recommending iodine:Here is a short article connecting iodine, the thyroid and Lyme Disease. Several of the Lyme-literate doctors are championing iodine:http://www.wellsphere.com/lyme-disease-article/lyme-disease-the-thyroid-iodine/1138544Lyme specialist, Dr. Kinghardt, believes iodine is the most critical element:http://www.neuraltherapy.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdfwith best wishes,--At 01:08 PM 6/23/2010, you wrote:>Jaxi, thanks for writing. You are right. I should have given the group>more information! Here it is, briefly:>>I have Chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, chronic lyme disease, and auto-immune>issues caused by rupture of silicone implants after breast cancer. My first>two months on LDN were awesome, but now I feel like I'm back to square one.>>I had a lot of blood work done last week and will discuss the results of>that with my CFIDS doctor tomorrow. I may just be over-doing things....>grandkids just left Sunday after two weeks here, and the next batch comes in>a couple of weeks!>>I am on 4 mg of LDN, having worked up to that dose in my third month of>taking it.~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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Eileen,Ask for a complete metabolic panel - and CBC for good measure - and as low thyroid canslow metabolic rate check with thyroid panel too.JackieFrom: Eileen <ravensegge@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working"Lowdosenaltrexonegroups (DOT) Com" <low dose naltrexone >Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 10:52 AM

zahavi, when you say check your liver, what does that mean? I thought there wasn't any issue with LDN and the liver? How do you check, and what do you do if there's a problem?~EileenPosted by: "zahavi" zahavi100@... z100a2002Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:17 am (PDTTry a lower dose .check candida and check your liver

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I get tests regularly because of my cancer (metastatic bc) - my liver enzymes are slightly elevated, and we suspect undetected-by-scan tumors there. What I'm wondering is how that might or might not be affecting the effectiveness of LDN, and if there is anything I can or should be doing about that?My thyroid tests are difficult to figure out - some indications of hypo, some of hyper, and nobody willing to dx at all. I'm going to be talking to my integrative specialist about iodine tomorrow...~EileenOn Jun 24, 2010, at 11:37 AM, carcinoidwarrior wrote:Eileen,Ask for a complete metabolic panel - and CBC for good measure - and as low thyroid canslow metabolic rate check with thyroid panel too.

zahavi, when you say check your liver, what does that mean? I thought there wasn't any issue with LDN and the liver? How do you check, and what do you do if there's a problem?~EileenPosted by: "zahavi" zahavi100@... z100a2002Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:17 am (PDTTry a lower dose .check candida and check your liver

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Eileen, A metabolic panel will measure your liver enzymes and will indicate immediately whether those micro-tumors are getting the way. It's unlikely though as they're still microscopic. Your thyroid jumping around indicates auto-immune thyroid disease - you should see a good endocrinologist for thorough testing and screening for antibodies.But get a CBC (complete blood panel) as well - and your BC markers.I would be very cautious about adding iodine without first getting screened - most thyroid disease in the US is not due to lack of iodine unless you live in certain areas - Ohio/Great Lakes region I think - and/or you never use iodized salt or other iodine fortified products. But do get your iodine levels checked. If you go into a hyperthyroid phase added iodine can exacerbate that

state.Unless your integrative specialist is willing to order standard blood work, you should see a good endocrinologist too - look for one who specializes in thyroid and other endocrine issues other than diabetes - diabetes docs are swamped and have no time for thyroid stuff.Good luck - let us know what happens,Jackie

zahavi, when you say check your liver, what does that mean? I thought there wasn't any issue with LDN and the liver? How do you check, and what do you do if there's a problem?~EileenPosted by: "zahavi" zahavi100@... z100a2002Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:17 am (PDTTry a lower dose .check candida and check your liver

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Why do you say that? I read the DL (DLPA) form is more bio-available. JackieFrom: zahavi <zahavi100@...>Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops workinglow dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:51 PM

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My thyroid doesn't jump around per se - blood levels of various indicators for both hypo and hyper exist simultaneously, while my thyroid levels hover in the middle. I've been to a couple endocrine guys, but have been unsuccessful in getting them to take me seriously enough to do extensive testing. I suspect they think my insurance won't cover it. Very frustrating. I don't think anybody has tested for antibodies - I don't know if my integrative guy can do that, but I'll ask. I do live in the Great Lakes region (MN), I haven't used iodized salt for about 5 years now, I dislike seaweed products and I mostly avoid grains, which probably means my intake of iodine fortified products is on the low side... although I do like seafood and have it on occasion. I tested with Genova Diagnostics for various metabolic/nutritional issues last year and did not test low for iodine, so that is something to take into account... but it wasn't the 24 hour urine test recommended on the bc site, so I don't know how accurate it was for iodine.I'm not sure that my iodine is low per se, but am wondering how well I am processing it. My cousin has had similar issues to mine (thyroid-related symptoms for both hyper and hypo, with no clear thyroid test results) for the last 30 years, and then got dx'd with thyroid cancer at the same time that I was dx'd with bc. My understanding is that in some cases the iodine tests do not indicate for malabsorption issues, and looking at family history, it is possible that this is a problem. The bc site recommends taking the test, then supplementing with iodine for 3 months and testing again, to see if the test shows a difference... am wondering if that would be advisable, given the weird thyroid issues.~EileenOn Jun 24, 2010, at 12:51 PM, carcinoidwarrior wrote:Eileen, A metabolic panel will measure your liver enzymes and will indicate immediately whether those micro-tumors are getting the way. It's unlikely though as they're still microscopic. Your thyroid jumping around indicates auto-immune thyroid disease - you should see a good endocrinologist for thorough testing and screening for antibodies.But get a CBC (complete blood panel) as well - and your BC markers.I would be very cautious about adding iodine without first getting screened - most thyroid disease in the US is not due to lack of iodine unless you live in certain areas - Ohio/Great Lakes region I think - and/or you never use iodized salt or other iodine fortified products. But do get your iodine levels checked. If you go into a hyperthyroid phase added iodine can exacerbate that

state.Unless your integrative specialist is willing to order standard blood work, you should see a good endocrinologist too - look for one who specializes in thyroid and other endocrine issues other than diabetes - diabetes docs are swamped and have no time for thyroid stuff.Good luck - let us know what happens,Jackie

zahavi, when you say check your liver, what does that mean? I thought there wasn't any issue with LDN and the liver? How do you check, and what do you do if there's a problem?~EileenPosted by: "zahavi" zahavi100@... z100a2002Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:17 am (PDTTry a lower dose .check candida and check your liver

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Iodine is very important for breast cancer.especially when

you start to treat thyroid the breast does not get enough iodine and you are in

problem.

Dr bernstein says most americans do not have enough iodine

Breast

Cancer and Iodine : How to Prevent and How to Survive Breast Cancer

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Iodine deficiency was very common in the US years ago until iodine was added to foods.Now, it is more common in the Great Lakes area probably due to poor iodine content in the soil.My own thyroid disease has nothing to do with iodine levels - more likely by fluoride overdose - a much more common cause of chronic endocrine illnesses in the US these days.Which Dr. Bernstein are you referring to? - there are many. JFrom: zahavi <zahavi100@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops workingTo:

low dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:24 PM

Iodine is very important for breast cancer.especially when

you start to treat thyroid the breast does not get enough iodine and you are in

problem. Dr bernstein says most americans do not have enough iodine Breast

Cancer and Iodine : How to Prevent and How to Survive Breast Cancer

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Hi Tom,Can you tell me the difference between DLPA and the d-phenylalanine that Zahavi says is best? It's very confusing.Thanks, JackieFrom: TomEllis@... <TomEllis@...>Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working" Baker" <vbaker@...>Cc: low dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 9:57 AM

All,

I have discovered through research (and confirmed by Dr. Skip) that DLPA is a suggested supplement to enhance the effectiveness of LDN. I have ordered some on-line (www.iherb.com is a good source, as it has several different options, all about $15 for a 60 day supply).

DLPA boosts endorphin production, energy, and is an anti-depressant. I will keep the LDN group posted on my use of DLPA (LDN helped with my MS initially, but the increased energy seems to have worn off, after 90 days of usage.)

Cheers,

Tom

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>I would be very cautious about adding iodine without first getting

>screened - most thyroid disease in the US is not due to lack of iodine

>unless you live in certain areas - Ohio/Great Lakes region I think -

>and/or you never use iodized salt or other iodine fortified products. But

>do get your iodine levels checked. If you go into a hyperthyroid phase

>added iodine can exacerbate that state.

This isn't true. This is what is believed by mainstream Western medicine,

and it has led to serious iodine deficiencies. Thyroid disease is the

result of lack of iodine. See Dr Brownstein's site:

https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.php

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~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

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Jackie,

I do not know the answer to your question. The DLPA info. I found is on a Dr. Skip website: http://www.webspawner.com/users/avoidthesedrugsonldn/index.html

After checking this out, I would ask Dr. Skip or your MD or health practitioner.

I am satisfied currently with my mix of drugs: LDN, Copaxone, 4-AP, DLPA, (and the standard supplements of Vit. D3, B Complex, Alpha lopic Acid, Omega 3 oil, mag/pot/cal, and gluten restriction.

Hope this helps,

Tom

--- RE: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working" Baker" <vbaker@...>Cc: low dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 9:57 AM

All,

I have discovered through research (and confirmed by Dr. Skip) that DLPA is a suggested supplement to enhance the effectiveness of LDN. I have ordered some on-line (www.iherb.com is a good source, as it has several different options, all about $15 for a 60 day supply).

DLPA boosts endorphin production, energy, and is an anti-depressant. I will keep the LDN group posted on my use of DLPA (LDN helped with my MS initially, but the increased energy seems to have worn off, after 90 days of usage.)

Cheers,

Tom

[Guest guest]

>Iodine deficiency was very common in the US years ago until iodine was

>added to foods.

It's not added to foods anymore. It was added to bread dough as a dough

conditioner but that was ended in the 1970s and replaced with bromines

(brominated flour, see ingredient lists). Bromines displace iodine in the

body and are a poison, whereas iodine is a necessary nutrient. Since

iodine was removed from bread and replaced with bromines, iodine levels in

the population have plummeted, and cancer rates have skyrocketed. Another

factor in this is that people are cutting back on salt, so they're not

getting the iodine in salt like they were. So no, people are not getting

enough iodine.

>My own thyroid disease has nothing to do with iodine levels - more likely

>by fluoride overdose - a much more common cause of chronic endocrine

>illnesses in the US these days.

I will share with you this knowledge and perhaps you will benefit from it.

Fluoride is a halide, like iodine. When we don't have enough iodine in our

bodies, other halides can dock onto the cell receptors that should have

iodine, but that now have poisons. Other halides that also do this include

chlorine and bromides (added to bread, also flame retardants, etc.). So if

you want to get rid of fluoride poisoning, you need to increase your iodine

levels so that the iodine can saturate and it will knock off the other

halides from the cell receptors if there is enough iodine in the body. The

body uses 6.5mg of iodine every day, but the RDA is 150mcg, a tragic

deficiency. See the link I've provided below.

>Which Dr. Bernstein are you referring to? - there are many.

https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.php

Dr Brownstein's materials cover the biochemistry of the halides.

with best wishes,

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There is good and bad in everything under the sun - so to my mind there is little value inthrowing out an entire branch of human endeavor in favor of another that is just as susceptible to corruption and bad influences. I prefer to take everything with a grainof salt, iodized that is.In my own experience when I took iodine supplements my thyroid symptoms got much worse. My own thyroid disease is not due to iodine deficiency but I am sure some people's are. I only cautioned Eileen about taking iodine if deficiency in it was not the cause of her thyroid dysfunction. Obviously, based on the exceptions I mentioned she believed she does have a deficiency.I can't help but wonder if using iodized salt would solve her problem in that regard - and if so, well - what simple

solution!JackieFrom: Baker <vbaker@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops workinglow dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 2:47 PM>I would be very cautious about adding iodine without first getting >screened - most thyroid disease in the US is not due to lack of iodine >unless you live in certain areas - Ohio/Great Lakes region I think - >and/or you never use iodized salt or other iodine fortified products. But >do get your iodine levels checked. If you go into a hyperthyroid phase >added iodine can exacerbate that state.This isn't true. This is what

is believed by mainstream Western medicine, and it has led to serious iodine deficiencies. Thyroid disease is the result of lack of iodine. See Dr Brownstein's site:https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.php--~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste------------------------------------

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Actually, I was poisoned by a dentist using fluoride improperly. Whether or not my iodine levels were affected is moot as my levels appear to be adequate - seeing that taking iodine exacerbates my thyroid symptoms. And in fact, I am satisfied that my thyroid is working normally currently - and the fluoride has long been expelled as the poisoning occurred over 30 years ago.I do not drink teas or fluoridated water - though I'm sure the veggies and fruits I eat contain excesses of fluoride, even most of the organics that are watered with public supplies.JackieFrom: Baker <vbaker@...>Subject:

Re: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops workinglow dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 3:06 PM>Iodine deficiency was very common in the US years ago until iodine was >added to foods.It's not added to foods anymore. It was added to bread dough as a dough conditioner but that was ended in the 1970s and replaced with bromines (brominated flour, see ingredient lists). Bromines displace iodine in the body and are a poison, whereas iodine is a necessary nutrient. Since iodine was removed from bread and replaced with bromines, iodine levels in the population have plummeted, and cancer rates have skyrocketed. Another factor in this is that people are cutting back on salt, so they're not getting the iodine in salt like they were. So no, people are not getting enough iodine.>My own thyroid disease has nothing to do

with iodine levels - more likely >by fluoride overdose - a much more common cause of chronic endocrine >illnesses in the US these days.I will share with you this knowledge and perhaps you will benefit from it. Fluoride is a halide, like iodine. When we don't have enough iodine in our bodies, other halides can dock onto the cell receptors that should have iodine, but that now have poisons. Other halides that also do this include chlorine and bromides (added to bread, also flame retardants, etc.). So if you want to get rid of fluoride poisoning, you need to increase your iodine levels so that the iodine can saturate and it will knock off the other halides from the cell receptors if there is enough iodine in the body. The body uses 6.5mg of iodine every day, but the RDA is 150mcg, a tragic deficiency. See the link I've provided below.>Which Dr. Bernstein are you referring to? -

there are many.https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.phpDr Brownstein's materials cover the biochemistry of the halides.with best wishes,--~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

DPA, LPA and DLPA ....

 

DPA - as a stand alone is more indicated for pain management.

LPA - as a stand alone is more indicated for depression

DLPA - TONS easier to find and is typically a 50/50 of the D and L versions

 

I started DLPA about the same time I started LDN - actually I started the DLPA first because I was still waiting for the Naltrexone in the mail.

 

I opted for the DLPA for a couple of reasons. 

 

First, I could find it easily.  My co-ops, Whole Foods and local health food stores carry it.  Some also carry the LPA.  But none carry the DPA. 

 

Second, although my primary target was pain - prior to LDN I have been on rather high daily doses of percocet/vicoden/oxycotin - anyone who has experienced chronic unrelenting pain for any length of time will probably tell you a healthy dose of depressed mood comes along for the ride - so why not target the depression while I was at it.

 

Interestingly - from the studies/info a read - DLPA has as high a success rate as the SSRIs with a much faster response time.  Something else the parmaceutical companies probably don't want generally known.

 

So - my pain and mood are better - if I switched to DPA would my pain and mood remain better? - possibly - decreased pain has its own positive impact on mood - but then I fall back on the fact I can easily access the DLPA and I am sometimes too lazy to order online - or like to try sometime for awhile first before I order a " largish " quantity online.

 

Hmmm ... I meant this to be a quick answer.  Oh well, hope it helps.

 

Jaxi

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:29 PM, carcinoidwarrior <carcinoidwarrior@...> wrote:

Hi Tom,

Can you tell me the difference between DLPA and the d-phenylalanine that Zahavi says is best?  It's very confusing.

Thanks,  Jackie

From: TomEllis@... <TomEllis@...>

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] When LDN stops working " Baker " <vbaker@...>Cc: low dose naltrexone

Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 9:57 AM

All,

 

I have discovered through research (and confirmed by Dr. Skip) that DLPA is a suggested supplement to enhance the effectiveness of LDN. I have ordered some on-line (www.iherb.com is a good source, as it has several different options, all about $15 for a 60 day supply).

 

DLPA boosts endorphin production, energy, and is an anti-depressant. I will keep the LDN group posted on my use of DLPA (LDN helped with my MS initially, but the increased energy seems to have worn off, after 90 days of usage.)

 

Cheers,

 

Tom

[Guest guest]

- thank you for sharing. That was facinating and I was

unaware of most of it. I don't like too much salt and pretty much

never salt my food. I think it started when I was a kid because my

folks started cutting salt out due to my Dad's high BP. I have never

looked into iodine levels. My thyroid was an area of concern in my

early 20s but nothing has come out high/low on any recent tests.

Also - FYI - there are concerns kids are not getting enough flouride

anymore. With the large move to bottled water, including many kids,

folks are not consuming it in quanities of the past. I have an RO

system at home that filters my water and many folks do have at least

some level of water filtration or purchase RO water from the store. I

participated in a study by the U of MN dental school measuring

flouride intake. I had to provide beverage samples and a food intake

diary for several days over several months. They conducted the study

specifically due to the concern people were not getting enough to

maintain healthy teeth.

Jaxi

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

>

>>Iodine deficiency was very common in the US years ago until iodine was

>>added to foods.

>

> It's not added to foods anymore. It was added to bread dough as a dough

> conditioner but that was ended in the 1970s and replaced with bromines

> (brominated flour, see ingredient lists). Bromines displace iodine in the

> body and are a poison, whereas iodine is a necessary nutrient.  Since

> iodine was removed from bread and replaced with bromines, iodine levels in

> the population have plummeted, and cancer rates have skyrocketed. Another

> factor in this is that people are cutting back on salt, so they're not

> getting the iodine in salt like they were.  So no, people are not getting

> enough iodine.

>

>

>>My own thyroid disease has nothing to do with iodine levels - more likely

>>by fluoride overdose - a much more common cause of chronic endocrine

>>illnesses in the US these days.

>

> I will share with you this knowledge and perhaps you will benefit from it.

> Fluoride is a halide, like iodine. When we don't have enough iodine in our

> bodies, other halides can dock onto the cell receptors that should have

> iodine, but that now have poisons. Other halides that also do this include

> chlorine and bromides (added to bread, also flame retardants, etc.).  So if

> you want to get rid of fluoride poisoning, you need to increase your iodine

> levels so that the iodine can saturate and it will knock off the other

> halides from the cell receptors if there is enough iodine in the body. The

> body uses 6.5mg of iodine every day, but the RDA is 150mcg, a tragic

> deficiency. See the link I've provided below.

>

>>Which Dr. Bernstein are you referring to? - there are many.

>

> https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.php

>

> Dr Brownstein's materials cover the biochemistry of the halides.

>

> with best wishes,

> --

[Guest guest]

The whole issue of fluoride is fraught. Research shows that even though

there is an advantage to children's teeth when they are 9 and 10, by the

time they are 11 and 12 the advantage has been lost and fluoridated

children start having worse dental health than nonfluoridated. However,

when the medical industry quotes the research, they leave off the last part

and only quote the early advantage. I'm sure you're aware of the problem

of selectively utilized research results.

Taking fluoride internally has been shown to not really help

teeth. External application in the form of rinses etc has been shown to

have some efficacy for some people. On the other hand, taking fluoride

internally has definite negative health effects that are being suppressed,

and number one is that it sits in what should be the iodine cell receptors

thus robbing the body of health.

In short, people do not need fluoride supplementation for health. Despite

the fact that you were involved in a study with the basic assumption that

that is true, the institution was simply operating from the status quo

beliefs on fluoride, which are based on faulty information.

best wishes,

--

At 04:25 PM 6/24/2010, you wrote:

> - thank you for sharing. That was facinating and I was

>unaware of most of it. I don't like too much salt and pretty much

>never salt my food. I think it started when I was a kid because my

>folks started cutting salt out due to my Dad's high BP. I have never

>looked into iodine levels. My thyroid was an area of concern in my

>early 20s but nothing has come out high/low on any recent tests.

>

>Also - FYI - there are concerns kids are not getting enough flouride

>anymore. With the large move to bottled water, including many kids,

>folks are not consuming it in quanities of the past. I have an RO

>system at home that filters my water and many folks do have at least

>some level of water filtration or purchase RO water from the store. I

>participated in a study by the U of MN dental school measuring

>flouride intake. I had to provide beverage samples and a food intake

>diary for several days over several months. They conducted the study

>specifically due to the concern people were not getting enough to

>maintain healthy teeth.

>

>Jaxi

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste