Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I have to say I have never once heard of Sucrose being used as a filler for compounded LDN. Jackie - could you say where you got this information that youre recommending? It`s very important to get your LDN compounded at a pharmacy on the list. If you dont live near to one of the recommended ones, like we dont, then you can get it mailed to you. We have used Skips for five years - it arrives within days of our request, from the east coast to us on the west coast. At least if everyone uses one of these sources, if something is amiss at least you can rule out the compounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Skip's uses sucrose as a filler; that's what he used in mine (he doesn't use acidophilus) The avicel did not agree w/ me. Bill ---- cat707k <bevhk@...> wrote: ============= I have to say I have never once heard of Sucrose being used as a filler for compounded LDN. Jackie - could you say where you got this information that youre recommending? It`s very important to get your LDN compounded at a pharmacy on the list. If you dont live near to one of the recommended ones, like we dont, then you can get it mailed to you. We have used Skips for five years - it arrives within days of our request, from the east coast to us on the west coast. At least if everyone uses one of these sources, if something is amiss at least you can rule out the compounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 When I get mine from Skip's I get dextrose as a filler, that' what they offer in place of sucrose - which is fine. I like using sugar so that metabolism of my naltrexone is fast as possible. Not everyone likes to use sugar but it works for me. JFrom: cat707k <bevhk@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re: LDN and fillerlow dose naltrexone Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:12 PMI have to say I have never once heard of Sucrose being used as a filler for compounded LDN.Jackie - could you say where you got this information that youre recommending?It`s very important to get your LDN compounded at a pharmacy on the list. If you dont live near to one of the recommended ones, like we dont, then you can get it mailed to you. We have used Skips for five years - it arrives within days of our request, from the east coast to us on the west coast.At least if everyone uses one of these sources, if something is amiss at least you can rule out the compounding. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Bill, I had a terrible reaction to the Avicel - it caused me such intestinal upset that I became quite ill. First I switched to acidophilus but I didn't find the LDN as effective as the liquid I'd started on - then I switched to sugar - and that's just right. Jackie =============I have to say I have never once heard of Sucrose being used as a filler for compounded LDN.Jackie - could you say where you got this information that youre recommending?It`s very important to get your LDN compounded at a pharmacy on the list. If you dont live near to one of the recommended ones, like we dont, then you can get it mailed to you. We have used Skips for five years - it arrives within days of our request, from the east coast to us on the west coast.At least if everyone uses one of these sources, if something is amiss at least you can rule out the compounding.------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 So it shouldn't be stated that sucrose is somehow preferred for the protocol. The information about fillers that is on the websites is still accurate and that is the correct information to give people. -- >When I get mine from Skip's I get dextrose as a filler, that' what they >offer in place of sucrose - which is fine. I like using sugar so that >metabolism of my naltrexone is fast as possible. Not everyone likes to >use sugar but it works for me. J > > > > >From: cat707k <bevhk@...> >Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re: LDN and filler >low dose naltrexone >Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:12 PM > >I have to say I have never once heard of Sucrose being used as a filler >for compounded LDN. >Jackie - could you say where you got this information that youre recommending? >It`s very important to get your LDN compounded at a pharmacy on the >list. If you dont live near to one of the recommended ones, like we dont, >then you can get it mailed to you. We have used Skips for five years - it >arrives within days of our request, from the east coast to us on the west >coast. >At least if everyone uses one of these sources, if something is amiss at >least you can rule out the compounding. > > > >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I think people will find their own preferences - but they should know there are different options. For instance, when I was told my LDN would fail if I did not get it Skip's no one mentioned that Skip's default filler is Avicel. As I am chemically sensitive, I had a very bad response to Avicel - a wood production waste product that has been subjected to various chemicals harmful to most life forms.Had I known beforehand I had choices I would not have gone through a month of worsening symptoms and serious depletion of immune function combined with unusually fast weight loss.I believe people, when given as much information as is pertinent, will make good decisions for themselves. When you limit information you are effectively making decisions for otherpeople - an act that doesn't conform with respect of the others' autonomy.Jackie>>From: cat707k <bevhk@...>>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re: LDN and filler>low dose naltrexone >Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:12 PM>>I have to say I have never once heard of Sucrose being used as a filler >for compounded LDN.>Jackie - could you say where you got this information that youre recommending?>It`s very important to get your LDN compounded at a pharmacy on the >list. If you dont live near to one of the recommended ones, like we dont, >then you can get it mailed to you. We have used Skips for five years - it >arrives within days of our request, from the east coast to us on the west >coast.>At least if everyone uses one of these sources, if something is amiss at >least you can rule out the compounding.>>>>------------------------------------>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I would think if one were looking to reduce candida yeast overgrowth they would want to avoid anything containing sucrose aka sugar. Art > > > >From: cat707k <bevhk@...> > >Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re: LDN and filler > >low dose naltrexone > >Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:12 PM > > > >I have to say I have never once heard of Sucrose being used as a filler > >for compounded LDN. > >Jackie - could you say where you got this information that youre recommending? > >It`s very important to get your LDN compounded at a pharmacy on the > >list. If you dont live near to one of the recommended ones, like we dont, > >then you can get it mailed to you. We have used Skips for five years - it > >arrives within days of our request, from the east coast to us on the west > >coast. > >At least if everyone uses one of these sources, if something is amiss at > >least you can rule out the compounding. > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 >I believe people, when given as much information as is pertinent, will >make good decisions for themselves. When you limit information you are >effectively making decisions for other >people - an act that doesn't conform with respect of the others' autonomy. > >Jackie Sounds good. However, this is what you wrote: >Normally sucrose is a preferred filler as it aids fast metabolization of >the NTX. This states sucrose is the preferred filler, period. So no, this isn't presenting all the options, it is falsely stating that there is one preference. -- ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Yes, very important, and it's known that if people have candida issues that the LDN may bring it to the fore. Also, for cancer patients, they should really avoid sugar because cr feeds on sugar. -- At 11:04 PM 6/18/2010, you wrote: >I would think if one were looking to reduce candida yeast overgrowth they >would want to avoid anything containing sucrose aka sugar. > >Art > > > > > > > I think people will find their own preferences - but they should know > there are different options. For instance, when I was told my LDN would > fail if I did not get it Skip's no one mentioned that Skip's default > filler is Avicel. As I am chemically sensitive, I had a very bad > response to Avicel - a wood production waste product that has been > subjected to various chemicals harmful to most life forms. > > Had I known beforehand I had choices I would not have gone through a > month of worsening symptoms and serious depletion of immune function > combined with unusually fast weight loss. > > I believe people, when given as much information as is pertinent, will > make good decisions for themselves. When you limit information you are > effectively making decisions for otherpeople - an act that doesn't > conform with respect of the others' autonomy. > > Jackie ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I use lactose as a filler, and as for sugar causing/worsening cancer, well, all cells in the body need sugar, sugar is not bad, unless there is not enough fat, protein and fibre to balance it out. So it is not so much sugar as Insulin that may spurr cancer cell growth. The key is moderation..... From: cat707k low dose naltrexone Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:12 AM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re: LDN and filler I have to say I have never once heard of Sucrose being used as a filler for compounded LDN.Jackie - could you say where you got this information that youre recommending?It`s very important to get your LDN compounded at a pharmacy on the list. If you dont live near to one of the recommended ones, like we dont, then you can get it mailed to you. We have used Skips for five years - it arrives within days of our request, from the east coast to us on the west coast.At least if everyone uses one of these sources, if something is amiss at least you can rule out the compounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Well, avoiding sugar is easy - stop eating sweets, empty calories, and loads of carbs - the amount of sugar in a small capsule isn't significant for cancer patients. Besides all cells need sugar, and unless you stop eating you cannot help but provide your cells sugar. Cancer cells thrive on B vitamins too, but you wouldn't deprive healthy cells of B vitamins to spite the cancer cells. Same is true of oxygen.For people with candida there are other fillers available. They may find Avicel is fine.For people with slow metabolisms sugar is an important aid in speeding up the metabolismof naltrexone. Not everyone needs it or should use it. But my understanding is the faster NTX is metabolized the better. We want the receptor blockade to begin as soon as possible and not to extend beyond six hours, which could happen if all the NTX is not processed ASAP.This is entirely consistent with giving people pertinent information and allowing them to make determinations that suit their disease or diseases, body type, metabolism and whatever else is part of their consideration.J>I would think if one were looking to reduce candida yeast overgrowth they >would want to avoid anything containing sucrose aka sugar.>>Art>>>> >> > I think people will find their own preferences - but they should know > there are different options. For instance, when I was told my LDN would > fail if I did not get it Skip's no one mentioned that Skip's default > filler is Avicel. As I am chemically sensitive, I had a very bad > response to Avicel - a wood production waste product that has been > subjected to various chemicals harmful to most life forms.> > Had I known beforehand I had choices I would not have gone through a > month of worsening symptoms and serious depletion of immune function > combined with unusually fast weight loss.> > I believe people, when given as much information as is pertinent, will > make good decisions for themselves. When you limit information you are > effectively making decisions for otherpeople - an act that doesn't > conform with respect of the others' autonomy.> > Jackie~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I get my LDN from Irmat Pharmacy in New York City. They gave me several choices on a filler....I chose Acidophilus. They take insurance and they mail the prescriptions in a timely manner. I think with most insurance it is $20 a month, which includes shipping. Re: LDN and filler Posted by: "cat707k" bevhk@... cat707k Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:14 pm (PDT) I have to say I have never once heard of Sucrose being used as a filler for compounded LDN.Jackie - could you say where you got this information that youre recommending?It`s very important to get your LDN compounded at a pharmacy on the list. If you dont live near to one of the recommended ones, like we dont, then you can get it mailed to you. We have used Skips for five years - it arrives within days of our request, from the east coast to us on the west coast.At least if everyone uses one of these sources, if something is amiss at least you can rule out the compounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 ,I think you misread what Jackie wrote. She actually says that sucrose is "a" preferred filler. It does not say it is "the" preferred filler. There is a big difference. She does not exclude all other preferred fillers in her statement. There is not just one preferred filler.I hope you and other LDNers feel well today,AnitaOn Jun 19, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Baker wrote:>I believe people, when given as much information as is pertinent, will >make good decisions for themselves. When you limit information you are >effectively making decisions for other>people - an act that doesn't conform with respect of the others' autonomy.>>JackieSounds good.However, this is what you wrote:>Normally sucrose is a preferred filler as it aids fast metabolization of >the NTX.This states sucrose is the preferred filler, period. So no, this isn't presenting all the options, it is falsely stating that there is one preference.--~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Hi Anita, I think 's post was expressing concern about the word 'preferred', not 'a'. It was a valid concern because historically 'sugar' has not been a 'preferred' filler by the majority who've succeeded using Bihari's LDN protocol. When a protocol that's worked for the majority doesn't work for someone else then of course variables are reviewed - and filler is one of those variables. (Fillers have always been openly reviewed by the group over it's many years operating as a support group for newcomers to LDN.) 'Newcomers' is the key word for this 'first intro to LDN' styled support group. Everyone here is candid about their own experience and discussions around the periphery of majority use do pop up from time to time. We only ask everyone to consider if it might be in the best interest of 'newcomers' to clarify/qualify statements/discussions around variables that fall outside majority use/majority success, so as not to confuse newcomers to the group about what has worked and continues to work well for the majority. We'd appreciate your help with this, all my best, Cris 4c. Re: LDN and filler Posted by: " Anita Meyers " anitabmeyers@... anitameyers49 Date: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:13 pm ((PDT)) , I think you misread what Jackie wrote. She actually says that sucrose is " a " preferred filler. It does not say it is " the " preferred filler. There is a big difference. She does not exclude all other preferred fillers in her statement. There is not just one preferred filler. I hope you and other LDNers feel well today, Anita On Jun 19, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Baker wrote: This states sucrose is the preferred filler, period. So no, this isn't presenting all the options, it is falsely stating that there is one preference. Yes, very important, and it's known that if people have candida issues that the LDN may bring it to the fore. Also, for cancer patients, they should really avoid sugar because cr feeds on sugar. -- ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste 7c. Re: LDN and filler Posted by: " carcinoidwarrior " carcinoidwarrior@... carcinoidwarrior Date: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:41 pm ((PDT)) When I get mine from Skip's I get dextrose as a filler, that' what they offer in place of sucrose - which is fine. I like using sugar so that metabolism of my naltrexone is fast as possible. Not everyone likes to use sugar but it works for me. J 1.1. Re: Fibromyalgia and LDN Posted by: " carcinoidwarrior " carcinoidwarrior@... carcinoidwarrior Date: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:36 pm ((PDT)) I think you ask more people about this - your posts are coming to my address alone - you should ask the entire group. There could be other reasons it's not working for you. Normally sucrose is a preferred filler as it aids fast metabolization of the NTX. Also what is your height and weight? Good luck. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Anita,Thank you for your rationality - it is so appreciated.I read that Bihari liked lactose - lactose, sucrose, dextrose - it's all sugar. And it speeds metabolism of NTX - a very good thing. But for people who don't need and/or want it,there is acidophilus, and Avicel, and some other offerings no doubt.JYes, very important, and it's known that if people have candida issues that the LDN may bring it tothe fore. Also, for cancer patients, they should really avoid sugar because cr feeds on sugar.-- ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste7c. Re: LDN and filler Posted by: "carcinoidwarrior" carcinoidwarrior@... carcinoidwarrior Date: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:41 pm ((PDT))When I get mine from Skip's I get dextrose as a filler, that' what they offer in place of sucrose -which is fine. I like using sugar so that metabolism of my naltrexone is fast as possible. Noteveryone likes to use sugar but it works for me.J1.1. Re: Fibromyalgia and LDN Posted by: "carcinoidwarrior" carcinoidwarrior@... carcinoidwarrior Date: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:36 pm ((PDT))I think you ask more people about this - your posts are coming to my address alone - you should askthe entire group. There could be other reasons it's not working for you.Normally sucrose is a preferred filler as it aids fast metabolization of the NTX.Also what is your height and weight?Good luck. Jackie------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 And anyone with any gut disease must avoid sugar like the plague. I would think if one were looking to reduce candida yeast overgrowth they would want to avoid anything containing sucrose aka sugar. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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