Systemic Candida

July 18, 2001

If I were you I would eat lots of fresh garlic, swalling up to five

cloves per day on days I could get away with smelling that way.

Colloidal silver.

Kombucha.

Oregano oil.

Digestive enzymes also eat up waste products in the blood.

Active probiotics.

Your immune system will clean out your blood for you once you clean

out your gut!

First things first!

Good Luck!

-adele

> Just want to know, as many antifungals are topical, localised to the

> gut, could someone give us (or just me ) a comprehensive list of

> antifungals that will deal with candida in the blood?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Best Wishes to you all,

> Alistair

August 8, 2004

Well, you could read Dr. Vickery's articles about fibromylagia, which is

just another version of the same condition - breakdown in the digestive

tract.

see www.life-enthusiast.com/amino I have mentioned here many times - this

stuff is well tested, is designed by a doctor who is probably 20 years ahead

of his colleagues, and compared to the standard medical procedures it is

amazingly effective ...

systemic candida

> Anyone here who has been treated by doctor for

> systemic candida?? I am having trouble getting

> doctor to treat my systems seriously and am so

> tired I can hardly go to work anymore.

> I finally convinced him I thought and he gave me

> a one day only difficul . Within about 3 hours

> my throat problems finally let up and my eyes

> didn't feel sore finally but middle of day they

> symptoms were coming back. One day course I was

> reading is for vaginal candida only. I do think

> and I have told him I think I have systemic

> candida. I describe the terrible fatigue, the

> constant sore throat, now for about a year, itchy

> skin/scalp, itchy ears, non stop vaginal

> discharge (sample cultured by my ob/gyne as

> coming out negative for bacterial reasons). From

> what I am reading if you have candidas in throat

> or elsewhere course is A LOT longer. So now I

> think I have just slightly irritated by Candida

> rather than solved anything. What's with these

> doctors.

>

> Homeopathy, primarily low sugar diet has helped.

> It has in fact confirmed in my mind it is candida

> or fungal in that when I follow diet rigorously

> throat clears up but when I start to add carbs

> back in, even a little, I start to cough and

> things get itchy again. So anti-candida

> homeopathy seems to lessen symtoms but not clear

> it up. I think I have a much more severe case.

> I think reason it may not work is because I am

> almost not sleeping at all, when I do it is for

> 2-4 hours only so I think I need a doctors help

> with this but can't get them to take me

> seriously.

>

June 15, 2005

Hi Barb,

Your doctor obviously doesn't know how candida works, and that a

person's blood sugar levels are maintained by the body independent of

diet. That's why people don't die from fasting. And he doesn't know

that carbs are not the only source of glucose - you can get all of your

body's glucose requirements by eating only meats and fats. I read that

58% of meats and 10% of fats are carbs as well.

You are treating your systemic candida with the diet I recommend,

including coconut oil, garlic, etc.

Bee

June 15, 2005

I probably phrased it wrong but said a low sugar diet would cause

Candidas to go dormant and Nystatin would be less effective. I'm

not sure he used the term blood sugar. My blood sugar goes up and

down depending on what I eat. That's why on certain blood sugar

tests, you either fast before hand or drink a glucose drink. If

body maintained level regardless of what you ate or drink, what

would be the point of that? Why would diabetics constantly be

testing their blood sugar and avoiding sugar and sweets?

> Hi Barb,

>

> Your doctor obviously doesn't know how candida works, and that a

> person's blood sugar levels are maintained by the body independent

of

> diet. That's why people don't die from fasting. And he doesn't

know

> that carbs are not the only source of glucose - you can get all of

your

> body's glucose requirements by eating only meats and fats. I read

that

> 58% of meats and 10% of fats are carbs as well.

>

> You are treating your systemic candida with the diet I recommend,

> including coconut oil, garlic, etc.

>

> Bee

August 12, 2006

wrote:

> Bee, I'm confused about the term " Systemic Candida " . I thought that

the term " Systemic Candida " meant that Candida had overgrown in the

body, that it was internal, in the system - systemic?

Like, I know I have it just by looking at my tongue but of course I

can't look inside of me. Could you please explain what the

term " System Candida " means or have I missed it in the files?

==>Systemic means " spread throughout the body " - candida overgrows in

mucus membranes, which are not throughout the body. Throughout the

body would mean candida is in the bloodstream and overgrowing

throughout the body. Most people do not have systemic candida, but

candida toxins are systemic so they do go throughout the body.

> Thanks so much Bee. It's good to be catching up on posts!

==>You are welcome. Take good care Jen!

Bee

April 3, 2007

For systemic candida I'd recommend an ozone therapy program,

undenatured whey, selenium and inulin, plus vitamin and mineral

support and low-carbing. Herbal antifungals might help too, like

coconut oil, colloidal silver etc.

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> What do you recommend for systemic candida?

>

> Tia

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April 3, 2007

What are some products that would be included in the

ozone therapy? I'm taking the other products you

listed.

Thanks,

Tia

--- Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> For systemic candida I'd recommend an ozone therapy

> program,

> undenatured whey, selenium and inulin, plus vitamin

> and mineral

> support and low-carbing. Herbal antifungals might

> help too, like

> coconut oil, colloidal silver etc.

>

> Duncan

>

> >

> > Duncan:

> >

> > What do you recommend for systemic candida?

> >

> > Tia

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April 5, 2007

Duncan,

I have asked this several times and didn't get a clear answer. Systemic

candida consists of what symptoms other than possible tongue thrush and vaginal

problems??? What determines the candida to be " systemic? "

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

For systemic candida I'd recommend an ozone therapy program,

undenatured whey, selenium and inulin, plus vitamin and mineral

support and low-carbing. Herbal antifungals might help too, like

coconut oil, colloidal silver etc.

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> What do you recommend for systemic candida?

>

> Tia

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According to Marjorie Crandall, the term systemic candida should be reserved for

yeast infections which involve a blood yeast infection. Chronic candidiasis

should be the term for what most of us have, which is intestinal and vaginal

candida. The 80 or more toxins produced by the intestinal yeast infection can

produce itching and/or rash on nearly every part of the body, face, hands,

stomach, scalp, they can cause fatigue, swelling, depression, brain fog, vision

problems, headaches and a host of other symptoms. The yeast invades body cells

and is very very difficult to eradicate, partly because what kills the yeast

kills human cells as well. Many fungicides prevent the yeast from making cell

wall, but they are able to live (though not grow) with just their membrane, so

that when the fungicides are discontinued, they make new cell wall and start to

grow again. Liz

j h <jl_life@...> wrote: Duncan,

I have asked this several times and didn't get a clear answer. Systemic candida

consists of what symptoms other than possible tongue thrush and vaginal

problems??? What determines the candida to be " systemic? "

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

For systemic candida I'd recommend an ozone therapy program,

undenatured whey, selenium and inulin, plus vitamin and mineral

support and low-carbing. Herbal antifungals might help too, like

coconut oil, colloidal silver etc.

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> What do you recommend for systemic candida?

>

> Tia

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JH: I typed in " systemic candida " in quotes in a Google search box

and came up with many descriptions. I recommend Google as one of the

most useful search engines.

If you're not in shock your immune system is dealing with the invader

successfully.

Duncan

> >

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March 7, 2010

Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system was

destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It was

hideous.

This isn't a matter of agreeing to disagree... this is a medical fact ))

March 7, 2010

thats awful,to bad there isnt much talk on getting rid of candida systemically

>

> Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system was

destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It was

hideous.

>

> This isn't a matter of agreeing to disagree... this is a medical fact ))

>

March 9, 2010

I agree that it deserves more discussion, particularly when as I read it the

death rate for untreated candidiasis is about 38%.

Therapy should highlight the importance of a good immune response, as no drug

therapy kills 100% of the invaders.

Duncan

> >

> > Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system was

destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It was

hideous.

> >

March 10, 2010

so what is the best way to start on a program,to rid yourself of systemic

candida?

bobm

> > >

> > > Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system was

destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It was

hideous.

> > >

>

March 11, 2010

3 very, very basic, 1st steps to control systemic candida:

1) starve it out, by LOWERING the CARBS. it feeds on sugars. NO grains, NO

fruit, NO high-carb veges. No sugars! stevia as sweetener seems to be ok, i use

it VERY sparingly anyway. [it has no calories or carbs, they say..] if doing

cultured milk, i suggest doing it at home to ensure all the lactose [milk sugar]

is consumed in the culturing process. [you can tell this is done when the curds

separate from the liquid whey.]

2) use anti-fungals--there are LOTS of natural ones to use. (garlic, ginger--raw

are best! grapefruit seed extract, thyme, oregano, cinnamon, coconut oil for its

caprylic acid. [turmeric helps heal inflamation...]

3) use probiotics--there are LOTS to choose from. mine are enteric-coated. [i

actually use the renew life--needs refrigeration--50 billion probiotics to

culture my milk! ..1/2 capsule per gallon of milk. leave at room temp for 18

hours. done! ..yes i put tin foil on top of radiator and just put the milk

carton with its starter right on it. REAL simple.] [oh if you " move " the carton

during the process, the probiotics still know what to do!! you *can move* the

product during the culturing, it does NOT hurt it at ALL. i used to drive in my

car, traveling with it, and it STILL cultured just FINE. really!]

[4)] i am using psyllium and clay (the clay by redmond) to aid in removal of

candida toxins from gut.

recap:

*starve it out--NO high carbs. you WILL get used to chef's salads, and you will

LOVE feeling better!!!! I promise!!! [i use spices like curry to make the salads

and steamed veges delicious!]

*use antifungals

*use probiotics

-----

*use something to help remove the toxins (clay, psyllium).

Keep asking questions, the smart people do! --inspired by The Matrix

Louise

From: rattlesnakebobbob <rattlesnakebobbob@...>

Subject: Re: systemic candida

candidiasis

Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:42 PM

so what is the best way to start on a program,to rid yourself of systemic

candida?

bobm

> > >

> > > Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system was

destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It was

hideous.

> > >

>

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March 11, 2010

I have attached a PDF of my clinical program which is in my new book.

This program has been very successful in getting over a candida overgrowth and

also things like diabetes, asthma, allergies, leaky gut, lupus, lymes and

several more illnesses.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

________________________________

From: rattlesnakebobbob <rattlesnakebobbob@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:42:28 PM

Subject: Re: systemic candida

so what is the best way to start on a program,to rid yourself of systemic

candida?

bobm

> > >

> > > Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system was

destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It was

hideous.

> > >

>

March 12, 2010

I don't see any attachment...?

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From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer@...>

Subject: Re: Re: systemic candida

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 12:21 PM

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I have attached a PDF of my clinical program which is in my new book.

This program has been very successful in getting over a candida overgrowth and

also things like diabetes, asthma, allergies, leaky gut, lupus, lymes and

several more illnesses.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

____________ _________ _________ __

From: rattlesnakebobbob <rattlesnakebobbob>

candidiasis

Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:42:28 PM

Subject: Re: systemic candida

so what is the best way to start on a program,to rid yourself of systemic

candida?

bobm

> > >

> > > Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system was

destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It was

hideous.

> > >

>

March 12, 2010

Just found out I can not send attachments. I have sent it to NieeMa, you can

get it from her.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

________________________________

From: Krtil <ckrtil@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 8:21:24 PM

Subject: Re: Re: systemic candida

I don't see any attachment.. .?

From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer@rocketma il.com>

Subject: Re: Re: systemic candida

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 12:21 PM

I have attached a PDF of my clinical program which is in my new book.

This program has been very successful in getting over a candida overgrowth and

also things like diabetes, asthma, allergies, leaky gut, lupus, lymes and

several more illnesses.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

____________ _________ _________ __

From: rattlesnakebobbob <rattlesnakebobbob>

candidiasis

Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:42:28 PM

Subject: Re: systemic candida

so what is the best way to start on a program,to rid yourself of systemic

candida?

bobm

> > >

> > > Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system was

destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It was

hideous.

> > >

>

March 13, 2010

these first very basic steps look like a regular anti candida diet to me.i dont

see the difference,i would want to know what differences to be taken actually

help with the systemic system

bobm

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system

was destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It

was hideous.

> > > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 14, 2010

Bob, I have heard pros and cons in this group about how successful we can

actually be once the candida has gone " systemic. " some have said that

anti-fungal drugs like nystatin and nizoral do affect the entire body, others

say no. that they *only* affect the gut.

i just know that anyone fighting a candida problem has *got* to be on this

diet!!! and if it's gone " systemic, " all the more!!!!! there are no quick fixes,

no magic bullet. what took years to happen can take awhile to remedy.

[for me, i have no money to pay for a naturopathic doctor to write me those

prescriptions; and i am more of the persuasion that those drugs might *only*

affect the gut. also, i am highly sensitive to chemicals (thanks to the candida;

also to molds). so taking drugs/chemicals may just make a person worse in some

ways too.] so i am forced to continue the naturopathic route, which btw has

gotten me past some of the worst detox i have ever fought!!!!! i am feeling

better *on this diet* than i have in MONTHS. so...

take all this for what it is worth. mine is HARD-WON experience and knowledge.

Louise

From: rattlesnakebobbob <rattlesnakebobbob@...>

Subject: Re: systemic candida

candidiasis

Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 9:04 AM

these first very basic steps look like a regular anti candida diet to me.i dont

see the difference,i would want to know what differences to be taken actually

help with the systemic system

bobm

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system

was destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It

was hideous.

> > > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 17, 2010

Nizoral, fluconazol, caspofungin, miconazol, lamisil, itraconazole,etc are

systemic drugs. Nystatin and oral amphotericin b only act in the gut. If you

have systemic candidiasis, I mean candida outside of the gut, you may need some

systemic drug but one that be effective against the strain of candida is

affecting you. I don't know of any natural drug powerful enough to cure a

systemic candididiasis. But you need to understand the systemic concept,

fungemia or invasive candidiasis is known as systemic candidiasis because

candida itself is in the bloodstream. This is the concept medicine use to

diagnose this very dangerous condition. When candida overgrowth in the gut, is

also know as systemic candidiasis because its toxins circulate in the body

producing many symptoms but this condition has never killed anybody.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes it is. Someone very close to me died from it. Her immune system

was destroyed from other things, and a systemic fungal infection killed her. It

was hideous.

> > > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

March 17, 2010

I have a question about the systemic candida. My DO did a blood test

for candida and the results came back with a Level 1 and anything with

a 1 or greater on the test indicates a systemic candida overgrowth. I

didn't realize there was a blood test for candida until she did this

test for me.

Is the blood test reliable? If yes, how worried should I be that I

have a systemic candida overgrowth? thank you!!

Annie

mimistoast.blogspot.com

(gluten, corn, casein and yeast-free blog)

On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:50 PM, wrote:

> Nizoral, fluconazol, caspofungin, miconazol, lamisil,

> itraconazole,etc are systemic drugs. Nystatin and oral amphotericin

> b only act in the gut. If you have systemic candidiasis, I mean

> candida outside of the gut, you may need some systemic drug but one

> that be effective against the strain of candida is affecting you. I

> don't know of any natural drug powerful enough to cure a systemic

> candididiasis. But you need to understand the systemic concept,

> fungemia or invasive candidiasis is known as systemic candidiasis

> because candida itself is in the bloodstream. This is the concept

> medicine use to diagnose this very dangerous condition. When candida

> overgrowth in the gut, is also know as systemic candidiasis because

> its toxins circulate in the body producing many symptoms but this

> condition has never killed anybody.

>

March 17, 2010

Which systemic drug will help with BRAIN FOG??

candidiasis

From: dieguez.jorge@...

Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:50:14 +0000