Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 A friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? Any advice highly appreciated Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 LDN is NOT recommended during pregnancy. One of its well-documented effects is the down-regulation of cell proliferation rate. During pregnancy it is desirable to have normal cell growth rates as the fetus obviously needs growing cells in order to develop normally. If you need more information about this effect please contact the researcher who discovered it. Ian S. Zagon, PhD. http://fred.psu.edu/ds/retrieve/fred/investigator/isz1Your friend can contact Dr. Zagon and ask more specific questions regarding the advisability of using LDN during pregnancy.Give your friend this web site also http://www.ldnscience.org/--- On Tue, 5/18/10, <schwung5ru@...> wrote:From: <schwung5ru@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabeteslow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:47 AMA friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? Any advice highly appreciated :)Thanks,------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Yet we've had many pregnancies reported with AWESOMEly healthy babies, and breast fed while the mother was still on LDN. Who doesn't recommend it? [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabeteslow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:47 AM A friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? Any advice highly appreciated :)Thanks,------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I think the people who don't recommend it are those who understand how it stimulatesan innate system in the body that regulates cell growth rates. This system or mechanismis called the opioid growth factor / opioid growth factor receptor axis (OGF/OGFr axis).Many people believe that LDN stimulates production of endorphins and enkephalins and that is all. They have not researched the possible implications of that production and believe the only effects of LDN are desirable. Yet, there are circumstances in which some effects may not be very desirable.This is not meant to downplay the fantastic results many people experience relative to their diseases when using LDN - it is just that we don't yet understand EVERYTHING about LDN and how it affects EVERYTHING in our bodies under various conditions.It would be of great benefit to go slowly in some areas especially when it involves the life or lives of individuals other then ourselves, as in the case of reproduction. And in any case, I think it very unwise to choose to use LDN while pregnant unless one is under the care of a very experienced medical professional who is willing to monitor the entire pregnancy. And one should be very conscious of the fact that LDN use in pregnancy amounts to an experiment. We all have free will and free choice for the most part, but being informed is of utmost importance when making such a decision.Jackie From: <schwung5ru@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabeteslow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:47 AM A friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? Any advice highly appreciated :)Thanks,------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Also Dr.Phil Boyle specialist in fertility in Galwai(Ireland),founding on the studies and experiences done with ldn has alwais specified on his med.documents that it is safe in pregnancies and breast feeding,and in certain cases will actually reduce the risk of miscarriage. it's the first time i read about this new.are you sure that's true? my best emiliano > > > From: <schwung5ru@...> > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabetes > low dose naltrexone > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:47 AM > > > A friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? > Any advice highly appreciated > > Thanks, > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Yes, I am aware of his work - but I still have questions. I don't believe any of the babies are adult yet, certainly not at the age when we humans are struck by the panoply of post-modern diseases. So seeing how they fare, especially in cancers, is not yet possible.I hope he follows them long-termJackieFrom: emilnari <emilnari@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: HELP! Pregnant & Diabeteslow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 4:25 PMAlso Dr.Phil Boyle specialist in fertility in Galwai(Ireland),founding on the studies and experiences done with ldn has alwais specified on his med.documents that it is safe in pregnancies and breast feeding,and in certain cases will actually reduce the risk of miscarriage.it's the first time i read about this new.are you sure that's true?my bestemiliano> > > From: <schwung5ru@...>> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabetes> low dose naltrexone > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:47 AM> > > A friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? > Any advice highly appreciated > > Thanks,> > > > > > ------------------------------------> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 Ian Zagon, based on his research. He understands LDN is used to correct infertility but because of the downregulating effect the opioid peptide [met5] enkephalin has on all cells,cancer cells and normal cells, he thinks it is not wise to use it during the pregnancy itself.I understand that we LDN users have positive experiences that the science has not yet accounted for, but we also may be experiencing very subtle effects we're not aware of.I knew when I decided to use LDN that it slowed the growth of all cells, not just the onesI wanted to slow down. But the benefits for me outweighed the risks. I opted for what may be a slightly shorter life in exchange for a better quality of life.But for babies, I would be less willing to make that exchange, not knowing for sure what the negative long term effects may be. I am not suggesting that everyone do what I do. I'm just saying that there are more considerations to mull over than are immediately obvious.Some people may decide to go ahead with the risk, others may not. But we should all be aware there is very likely a risk, though we don't yet know just how it will manifest.I certainly understand how people with MS feel about LDN. Most of the results are so significant and dramatic that it is easy to see LDN as a wonder drug. But there are many unanswered questions, as you know, and little is known about just how LDN works to improve life for MS sufferers. We tend to focus on all the positive effects and pay little attention to the negative, except for the initial side effects that pass in about two weeks.But because I learned how LDN works on cancer I became aware that there could be a down side. Quite what that will prove to be, I probably will never know as I won't live long enough, but babies born today under the influence of LDN might experience effects that are not so good.The question I had was, if a developing fetus is exposed to a slowed down cell growth rate environment, what must its body do to overcome that impediment in its environment in order to achieve its potential growth? Would the innate mechanism that regulates cell growth rate be adjusted away from what is within normal range for a human baby, and how would that affect cell growth in later stages of its life? Would this possible adjustmentreadjust to normal when LDN is removed? Or would it be permanent?These are such questions as I would ask myself if I were pregnant and considering LDN.But the woman who is pregnant and has diabetes should see a doctor who is well-versed in LDN therapy and pretty quickly.What do you know Larry, about LDN and diabetes? I know nothing about that subject but I'd like to know about it.Jackie From: <schwung5ru@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabeteslow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:47 AM A friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? Any advice highly appreciated :)Thanks,------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I'm sure pregnant mothers are on many scripts and supplements that have just as much lack-of-knowledge, and the knowledge people think they have conflict with others who think they have knowledge too. You pay your money, you take your chances, you deal with the outcomes. I've never seen any other med Attempts at dissecting where the feet grow than this med. You hear about it, you suffer from something, you determine if you want it or not... and you take it or not. Or, you go to your doctor, get scripts for nice profitable drugs with known side effects that can kill a horse, NEVER look up anything more about the drug than your co-pay, and then suffer more issues than you had before. I hear people all the time PICKING their drugs from a small choice offered by doc, NOT by drug interaction, but by superficial things ..... i.e. CRABs..... many start on Avonex because it's "just once a week", they don't know they'll suffer for 3 days a week following it and have all sorts other problems, not to mention OD on pain killers to deal with the harmful side effects. They pick between other drugs for other superficial reasons too. People Try drugs from their docs, never read about them, something goes wrong, what happens? they stop that drug and fill the next script blindly with whatever the docs last drug rep gave them access to. And when people find something working, the biggest obstacle isn't what HAPPENS, but what other fear mongers scare them into thinking. Unreal. [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabeteslow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:47 AM A friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? Any advice highly appreciated :)Thanks,------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 Tell me about it. I've had so many allergic reactions to drugs I have a two page single spaced list.But one problem I have with the fact there are so few trials of LDN is that I know of thousands of cancer patients who could benefit, who know nothing about LDN and refuse it because they are afraid to take yet another drug that doesn't work or does harm.I'm glad I'm taking it. I'm having success. After two years my labs are normal and I don't have the awful syndrome associated with this Neuroendocrine Tumor.One of the specialists of my rare cancer is willing to do a trial but there's no money. Novartis isn't going fund that research even if it does help millions of people. The American Cancer Society is much like the MS Society - not interested - they'd go out of business if all MS patients were given LDN and ACS would have little to no support from Big Pharma if it promoted LDN. Yet many more people would be living healthier lives.Still, I am very curious about how LDN works - and I'd love to see more research.Jackie From: <schwung5ru@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabeteslow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:47 AM A friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? Any advice highly appreciated :)Thanks,------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 Right. And I No longer have Food ALLERGIES! My Dad is doing better than he wants. When he was told he ONLY had 6 months to live (3/07) I think he thought GOOD, he can join my mom soon. Me and my sister got him on LDN and the oncologists are amazed. They NEVER told anyone their loved one was going to die in 6 months and Been Wrong. They apologized to my sister 3 times now. Every CT scan shows his tumors less and less, almost gone. He's only on LDN and whatever vitamins my sister makes him take. [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabeteslow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:47 AM A friend of mine is pregnant and developed diabetes, she is on a very strict diet in the moment to avoid insulin. Has anyone experience with LDN during pregnancy and diabetes? Any advice highly appreciated :)Thanks,------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 Larry what kind of cancer does your dad have - if you don't mind my asking? I was told the same as your dad over four years ago...... Celia Right. And I No longer have Food ALLERGIES! My Dad is doing better than he wants. When he was told he ONLY had 6 months to live (3/07) I think he thought GOOD, he can join my mom soon. Me and my sister got him on LDN and the oncologists are amazed. They NEVER told anyone their loved one was going to die in 6 months and Been Wrong. They apologized to my sister 3 times now. Every CT scan shows his tumors less and less, almost gone. He's only on LDN and whatever vitamins my sister makes him take. ----- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 That is a wonderful response your father has had to LDN. I take a particular pleasure in turning the chemo-pushing oncologists' reality upside-down. They are so brainwashedand difficult to talk to. They seem to believe that their limited education reflects Absolute Truth.Yes, I too am on LDN alone - because I wanted to know if LDN could do the trick by itself. I couldn't let myself take all these supplements and alternative treatments because how would I know WHAT had worked, IF my protocol worked.So I can now testify to the fact that LDN has worked for me, all by itself. But that is not to say it works for everybody. Cancers vary from one another - some grow much faster than others, some rely may more on body systems different from the OGF/OGFr Axis which LDN targets and so might not respond as well as my cancer and your dad's. But it still could work as an adjuvant to other treatments, making them more effective.So far, Zagon reports that he has tested 30 different cancers and all depend on the OGF/OGFr Axis for their growth, so all of them would probably be controlled by LDN.There are so many more cancers to test, and new ones coming so fast due to the flood of chemicals we swim in these days.That is why we need the science - to know more precisely the what, why, where, and howof LDN relative to all the myriad diseases it is known to be so very helpful with. Pharma will never do this research for the reasons we all know, but Zagon will and is. He's only one person with very limited funds, but still his work benefits us and the people to come who will find LDN works for them.JackieFrom: LarryGC <larrygc@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] HELP! Pregnant & Diabeteslow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 10:10 PM Right. And I No longer have Food ALLERGIES! My Dad is doing better than he wants. When he was told he ONLY had 6 months to live (3/07) I think he thought GOOD, he can join my mom soon. Me and my sister got him on LDN and the oncologists are amazed. They NEVER told anyone their loved one was going to die in 6 months and Been Wrong. They apologized to my sister 3 times now. Every CT scan shows his tumors less and less, almost gone. He's only on LDN and whatever vitamins my sister makes him take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I am currently pregnant and taking LDN. I was on it when I got pregnant. I decided to stay on it because my TPO antibodies were quite elevated before taking it and I KNOW that those can harm the baby. So the benefits outweighed any possible risk, in my mind. I'm sure that many sick people with auto-immune diseases would feel the same. We know that most babies born to naltrexone users are fine- its true that we don't have long-term studies but frankly that is pretty far down on my list of things to worry about for myself and my children. I do agree, however, that the decision to take *anything* during pregnancy should not be taken lightly. Also, I would say that we don't yet understand EVERYTHING about ANY DRUG and how it affects EVERYTHING in our bodies under various conditions- that is true of everything, not just LDN. Yet many many drugs are considered safe for use during pregnancy based on perinatal outcomes, not long-term tracking. All that being said... for the original poster: I have been taking LDN all through my pregnancy and I DID develop gestational diabetes. If your friend is dealing with gestational diabetes I just don't see how LDN solely for that purpose would be worth it. Diet and insulin can control it, and it will be over in a few months. FWIW. Good luck to her. Tierney > > I think the people who don't recommend it are those who understand how it stimulatesan innate system in the body that regulates cell growth rates. �This system or mechanismis called the opioid growth factor / opioid growth factor receptor axis (OGF/OGFr axis). > Many people believe that LDN stimulates production of endorphins and enkephalins and that is all. �They have not researched the possible implications of that production and believe the only effects of LDN are desirable. �Yet, there are circumstances in which some effects may not be very desirable. > This is not meant to downplay the fantastic results many people experience relative to their diseases when using LDN - it is just that we don't yet understand EVERYTHING about LDN and how it affects EVERYTHING in our bodies under various conditions. > It would be of great benefit to go slowly in some areas especially when it involves the life or lives of individuals other then ourselves, as in the case of reproduction. �And in any case, I think it�very unwise to choose to use LDN while pregnant unless one is under the care of a very experienced medical professional who is willing to monitor the entire pregnancy. �And one should be very conscious of the fact that LDN use in pregnancy amounts to an experiment. �We all have free will and free choice for the most part, but being informed is of utmost importance when making such a decision. > Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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