Re: samenta(cat claw) can not be taken with Thymus extract?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm in contact with Drs Romero and Cowden from Nutramedix and have passed

your question on. If you'll bear with me I'm sure you'll have an answer

shortly.

Regards,

Kezzi. . .

On or about Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:10 AM [GMT+1=CET],

mt <mtien@...> sprinkled letters onto the page, saying:

> Thymus Proteins and extract are the same? From the herbal book,

> samento (cat claw) can not be taken with Thymus extract. It did not

> explain. I really like to know why. Aneone taking both at the same

> time? Is it really OK?

>

> mei

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[Guest guest]

As promised here is Nutramedix's answer:

>>>Hi Kezzi:

I just spoke with Dr. Romero regarding your questions. If we understand the

question correctly; there is a concern regarding taking Thymus medicine

along with Samento. Dr. Romero suggests bio-energetic testing to determine

whether the two remedies can be used together. In the UK I think that this

type of testing may be referred to as bio-resonance testing, kinesiology,

etc. Regardless, it is best to use Samento 30 min. away from other

remedies.<<<

Hope that helps,

Kezzi. . .

On or about Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:10 AM [GMT+1=CET],

mt <mtien@...> sprinkled letters onto the page, saying:

> Thymus Proteins and extract are the same? From the herbal book,

> samento (cat claw) can not be taken with Thymus extract. It did not

> explain. I really like to know why. Aneone taking both at the same

> time? Is it really OK?

>

> mei

[Guest guest]

Since I am taking BioProtein Plus, (have been for a year), I'm not satisfied

with that answer and will be speaking with my Homeopathic MD (who is treating

the Lyme's) and see what he has to say. He is one of the alternative doctors

who helped the Beardsley's do clinical trials with his patients, on BioProtein

Plus.

Thanks for the headsUP and concern about combining Samento and

BioProtein....I will say I haven't noticed any type of reactions and we know the

Samento is

working on me.....interesting to say the least....Needless to say, I will be

very upset if I have to give up the BioProtein as it has been great for fatigue

and my liver....<sigh>

Again, thanks for the headsUP...

Angel Huggzzz

or Angel

è I just spoke with Dr. Romero regarding your questions.

è If we understand the question correctly; there is a

è concern regarding taking Thymus medicine along with

è Samento. Dr. Romero suggests bio-energetic testing

è to determine whether the two remedies can be used

è together. In the UK I think that this type of testing may

è be referred to as bio-resonance testing, kinesiology,

è etc. Regardless, it is best to use Samento 30 min.

è away from other remedies.<<< Hope that helps,

è Kezzi. . . On or about Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:10

è AM [GMT+1=CET], mt <mtien@...>

è sprinkled letters onto the page, saying: > Thymus

è Proteins and extract are the same? From the herbal

è book, > samento (cat claw) can not be taken with

è Thymus extract. It did not > explain. I really like to

è know why. Aneone taking both at the same > time?

è Is it really OK? > > mei

[Guest guest]

Hello 1/23/04,

In reference to your comment:

è Thymus Proteins and extract are the same? From the

è herbal book, samento (cat claw) can not be taken with

è Thymus extract. It did not explain. I really like to know

è why. Aneone taking both at the same time? Is it really

è OK?

******Can you provide me with the book name, publisher, etc., that you found

this information in. I need to go to the library and check it out....

Angel Huggzz

or Angel

[Guest guest]

You don't have to give up the BioProtein - just stagger it with your Samento

dose. Dr Romero is an expert in the Samento field. Kinesiology will just

highlight problems with any allergenic mix of the supplements. I have taken

Samento for almost 4 months and when taken on it's own with plain water have

had no side-effects - nausea, headache, dizziness, myalgia.... I hope you

can trust that if info isn't worth posting here I won't post it...

Good luck. . .

Best wishes,

Kezzi. . .

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" The Samento Diaries " - input your symptoms:

http://tinyurl.co.uk/9aa4

On or about Monday, March 08, 2004 2:08 AM [GMT+1=CET],

LymeAngl@... <LymeAngl@...> sprinkled letters onto the page, saying:

> Since I am taking BioProtein Plus, (have been for a year), I'm not

> satisfied with that answer and will be speaking with my Homeopathic MD

(who is

> treating the Lyme's) and see what he has to say. He is one of the

alternative

> doctors who helped the Beardsley's do clinical trials with his patients,

on

> BioProtein

> Plus.

>

> Thanks for the headsUP and concern about combining Samento and

> BioProtein....I will say I haven't noticed any type of reactions and

> we know the Samento is working on me.....interesting to say the

least....Needless to say, > I will be very upset if I have to give up the

BioProtein as it has been great

> for fatigue and my liver....<sigh>

>

> Again, thanks for the headsUP...

>

> Angel Huggzzz

> or Angel

>

> è I just spoke with Dr. Romero regarding your questions.

> è If we understand the question correctly; there is a

> è concern regarding taking Thymus medicine along with

> è Samento. Dr. Romero suggests bio-energetic testing

> è to determine whether the two remedies can be used

> è together. In the UK I think that this type of testing may

> è be referred to as bio-resonance testing, kinesiology,

> è etc. Regardless, it is best to use Samento 30 min.

> è away from other remedies.<<< Hope that helps,

> è Kezzi. . . On or about Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:10

> è AM [GMT+1=CET], mt <mtien@...>

> è sprinkled letters onto the page, saying: > Thymus

> è Proteins and extract are the same? From the herbal

> è book, > samento (cat claw) can not be taken with

> è Thymus extract. It did not > explain. I really like to

> è know why. Aneone taking both at the same > time?

> è Is it really OK? > > mei

[Guest guest]

LymeAngl@... wrote:

> Hello 1/23/04,

>

> In reference to your comment:

>

> è Thymus Proteins and extract are the same? From the

> è herbal book, samento (cat claw) can not be taken with

> è Thymus extract. It did not explain. I really like to know

> è why. Aneone taking both at the same time? Is it really

> è OK?

>

> ******Can you provide me with the book name, publisher, etc., that you found

> this information in. I need to go to the library and check it out....

I will so some searching among many of my books and get back to you as soon as I

can.

mei

>

>

> Angel Huggzz

> or Angel

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello 1/21/04,

In reference to your comment:

è You don't have to give up the BioProtein - just stagger

è it with your Samento dose.

*******I take nothing for 1/2 hr before and 1/2 hr after taking my Samento,

per the instructions of my Homeopathic MD. I also take on empty stomach. The

additional homeopathic remedies I take are also staggered away from Samento

and the vitamins and herbals I take, including my Liverfriend Plus for my liver.

Dr Romero is an expert in

è the Samento field. Kinesiology will just highlight

è problems with any allergenic mix of the supplements.

******I have had no known allergic reactions except for the herxing I have

experienced with my whole protocol.

I

è have taken Samento for almost 4 months and when

è taken on it's own with plain water have had no

è side-effects - nausea, headache, dizziness, myalgia....

*******I have had the side-effects you mentioned but I relate them to the

herxing from the Samento and homeopathic remedies....

è I hope you can trust that if info isn't worth posting here I

è won't post it...

******I trust your opinion, but I only trust the leadership of my own

healthcare journey. I'm a fanatic when it comes to warnings or questions about

products and will always research and do verification. As I tell " all " my

doctors,

" I am in charge of my own healthcare journey, and they are merely a member of

my team " !! I in no way meant it to be, that I didn't trust you. If you

thought that, I apologize, but I must be comfortable with decisions after

further

research and study.

******By the way, thank you for taking the time to do the Samento Diaries.

Having been an oncology nurse I understand and know the importance of record

keeping with " any " chemo and/or products.

Keep a smile on your face, love in your heart and walk with the angels,

holding hand in the " chain of love " ......

Angel Huggzz

or Angel

http://www.dream-tool.net/tools/messages.mv?index+hepheimers (Msg Board)

www.hepheimers.com (website)

[Guest guest]

Hello 1/23/04,

In reference to your comment:

è http://www.mcp.edu/herbal/default.htm

******Thanks Mei, but after reading this PDF file I'm not concerned, however

I'm still asking my doc about it....

*****Thanks for all your time and trouble :-))

Angel Huggzzz

or Angel

[Guest guest]

LymeAngl@... wrote:

> Hello 1/23/04,

>

> In reference to your comment:

>

> è Thymus Proteins and extract are the same? From the

> è herbal book, samento (cat claw) can not be taken with

> è Thymus extract. It did not explain. I really like to know

> è why. Aneone taking both at the same time? Is it really

> è OK?

>

> ******Can you provide me with the book name, publisher, etc., that you found

> this information in. I need to go to the library and check it out....

Well, I did a google search and this is what I found. I need to locate the book

if you still need

it. It does mention thymus extracts.

mei

http://www.mcp.edu/herbal/catsclaw/catsclaw.PDF

Kathi J. Kemper, MD, MPH Cat’s Claw Page 9

Longwood Herbal Task Force: http://www.mcp.edu/herbal/default.htm Revised July

29, 1999

Toxicity and Contraindications

All herbal products carry the potential for contamination with other herbal

products, pesticides,

herbicides, heavy metals and pharmaceuticals. This is particularly concerning

with Asian

imports.

Furthermore, allergic reactions can occur to any natural product in sensitive

persons.

Potentially toxic compounds in cat’s claw: Tannins, alkaloids

Acute toxicity: Traditional considered an abortifacient.

i. In vitro data: In Chinese hamster ovary cells and Photobacterium phosphoreum,

there

was no in vitro toxicity of cat’s claw extracts in the neutral red assay, total

protein

content, tetrazolium assay or Microtex test41. In the standard Ames’ test, cat’s

claw had

no mutagenic effects39.

ii. Animal data: None

iii. Human data: There is one case report of acute renal failure in a woman with

systemic

lupus erythematosus42. Slight diarrhea has been noted within the first ten days

of use.

Sedative effects, circulatory complaints and hypotension are possible side

effects in cat’s

claw products contaminated with species containing the tetracyclic oxindole

alkaloids3.

Chronic toxicity: Unknown

Limitations during other illnesses or in patients with specific organ

dysfunction: Typically

contraindicated in patients with autoimmune disorders, multiple sclerosis, or

tuberculosis,

and patients undergoing grafts and organ transplants.

Interactions with other herbs or pharmaceuticals: Typically not recommended for

those taking

insulin, thymus extracts, vaccines, immune globulin or sera. Preliminary data on

hypotensive effects from some alkaloids and from preparations made from the

crude

“hooks” suggest caution when using cat’s claw in combination with

antihypertensive

medications.

Safety during pregnancy and/or childhood: Traditionally contraindicated during

pregnancy,

lactation and in children less than three years old.

[Guest guest]

On or about Monday, March 08, 2004 11:15 PM [GMT+1=CET],

LymeAngl@... <LymeAngl@...> sprinkled letters onto the page, saying:

> Hello 1/21/04,

Hi Angel. . .

Hey, I gotta new name - don't care for it much - sounds like a prison

number!! Let's stick to Kezzi

I have no argument with you, and there is no need to apologise for anything.

We have done nothing more than share some information - all of it of

interest to others I'm sure.

Take care, and keep those doctor's straight. You look after yourself now

Blessings,

Kezzi. . . (no angel)

-

You wrote::

Hello 1/21/04,

In reference to your comment:

è You don't have to give up the BioProtein - just stagger

è it with your Samento dose.

*******I take nothing for 1/2 hr before and 1/2 hr after taking my Samento,

per the instructions of my Homeopathic MD. I also take on empty stomach.

The

additional homeopathic remedies I take are also staggered away from Samento

and the vitamins and herbals I take, including my Liverfriend Plus for my

liver.

Dr Romero is an expert in

è the Samento field. Kinesiology will just highlight

è problems with any allergenic mix of the supplements.

******I have had no known allergic reactions except for the herxing I have

experienced with my whole protocol.

I

è have taken Samento for almost 4 months and when

è taken on it's own with plain water have had no

è side-effects - nausea, headache, dizziness, myalgia....

*******I have had the side-effects you mentioned but I relate them to the

herxing from the Samento and homeopathic remedies....

è I hope you can trust that if info isn't worth posting here I

è won't post it...

******I trust your opinion, but I only trust the leadership of my own

healthcare journey. I'm a fanatic when it comes to warnings or questions

about

products and will always research and do verification. As I tell " all " my

doctors,

" I am in charge of my own healthcare journey, and they are merely a member

of

my team " !! I in no way meant it to be, that I didn't trust you. If you

thought that, I apologize, but I must be comfortable with decisions after

further

research and study.

******By the way, thank you for taking the time to do the Samento Diaries.

Having been an oncology nurse I understand and know the importance of record

keeping with " any " chemo and/or products.

Keep a smile on your face, love in your heart and walk with the angels,

holding hand in the " chain of love " ......

Angel Huggzz

or Angel

http://www.dream-tool.net/tools/messages.mv?index+hepheimers (Msg Board)

www.hepheimers.com (website)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/9/2004 4:30:17 AM Central Standard Time,

amsan@... writes:

By the way, thank you for taking the time to do the Samento Diaries.

Having been an oncology nurse I understand and know the importance of record

keeping with " any " chemo and/or products.

Hi : I was also an RN...I do the samento but also lauricidin. I found

a homeopath not far away from me and will call him...just hoping for some

guidance on the path to remission.

Best wishes,

Donna