Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Now I'm afraid I'm going to worry you. I've had a similar experience a half dozen times. But in my case, I've literally watched the bruise rupture under the skin, completely devoid of any injury or having bumped it on anything. It will begin to hurt a little, and slowly grow in intensity, and become a throbbing sensation. I have hypercoagulation problems, and blood clots are a serious thing. Since hypercoagulation is common with chronic infections, like Lyme, and since a blood clot in the hand is relatively benign, but a blood clot in the brain or heart is not, I would highly recommend that you have hypercoagulation testing done. The best test to have done is the ISAC panel, done by Hemex, but parts of it are considered experimental, and may not be completely covered by insurance. It has to be ordered by a doctor. But it will be far more accurate than the routine blood tests that doctors normally run for hypercoagulation, and may uncover some types of hypercoagulation that the standard tests can't. Quite frankly, I believe that anyone who has been diagnosed with Lyme should have hypercoagulation testing done, because hypercoagulation problems can prevent Lyme from being effectively treated. Lyme likes to hide out in blood clots. It, and a number of other pathogens, like to stimulate increased fibrin production, and increased fibrinogen production to form little pockets that are protected from the immune system. Added to that, the body will use platelets to clot around pathogens until the immune cells can arrive. And in doing so, will sometimes elevate platelet levels to excessive levels, which can cause an increased blood clotting problem, as well. Added to that, acidosis and toxins can cause disruption in production of enzymes necessary to break down blood clots. And inherited blood clotting disorders can be aggravated early when there are chronic infections. On one occasion, I ruptured a blood vessel in my right leg, near the ankle. It seems to have permanently reduced circulation around my ankle, and I now have problems with it swelling up whenever I have my leg down for more than 30 minutes. I have to elevate it frequently, and wear support stockings to reduce the swelling. (I haven't tried DMSO on it, yet, but I didn't think about doing that until I started writing this e-mail, so I'm going to go put some on right after I finish this) One time I ruptured a blood vessel in my little finger on my left hand. Within hours the blood clot had broken loose and clotted in a nearby vein, and ruptured it. Over a 24 hour period I had ruptured blood vessels in my left hand in 4 different places. My hand looked like the two outer fingers and the left side of the hand were dying, for a couple weeks. It was gruesome. I now have problems with the outside of my left hand and the little finger and ring finger going numb within seconds of raising it higher than my heart, and it is always cold. It's been a couple years, and it is still a problem. I feel fortunate that I have not had it happen in my head or heart or some organ. Most of the other blood vessel ruptures have not caused any apparent permanent damage. I can tell that it is beginning to happen, because it has a particular feeling when it begins to hurt. It starts out as just a dull pain that slowly grows over time till it becomes a throbbing pain. Sometimes it only takes a few minutes from the start of the pain to the blood vessel rupturing, and sometimes it will slowly get worse over several days. If it gets to the point where it is throbbing, I can get some ice on it within a few minutes, and it will stop it from rupturing. I've started on some things to reduce hypercoagulation, and that has significantly reduced the problem. But I feel it is probably not enough because I still have other signs of continuing hypercoagulation problems. I don't bleed afterward when I have blood drawn, I pass mainly only clots during my period, and when I do get cuts, it stops bleeding very quickly. However, there are types of hypercoagulation that can cause just the opposite; bleeding profusely when cut, heavy periods, having a difficult time getting it to stop bleeding when blood is drawn. The reason is that if the body over-reacts to blood coagulation problems, it may counteract it with too much of the enzymes necessary to break down blood clots. There are some that have suggested that I might have vasculitis, which is another cause for ruptured blood vessels, and that's a possibility as well, since Lyme likes to infect epithelial cells lining the blood vessels, which can weaken the blood vessels as the immune system attacks the cells to stimulate apoptosis to get at the Lyme. lindaj@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Janet You bruise much easier w/lyme, but it gets better as time goes on. [ ] OK now what Just when I think I have this lyme thing down pat and know what I'm dealing with, I get hit in the head with something new. Here goes... Last Saturday I woke up with pain in my right hand between my index finger and middle finger, I really did not think much of it because I figured that in a little while that pain may go down to my toe, or my leg or where ever lyme pain feels like going. As the week went on I still had the pain, but now it was going up my are. I woke up on Wed. AM and noticed that I had the biggest blake and blue on the top of my right hand next to my little finger. What is that all about. I know I did not hit, slam, punch or smack my hand. It just blows my mind that one little bug could turn my world around. I did see a doctor, Not mine she was off that day and he told me that I must of hit it on the head board during the night. Well as soon as I figure this out I'll let you all know. Thanks for letting me vent. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Hello 1/25/04, In reference to your comment: è ... Last Saturday I woke up with pain in my right hand è between my index finger and middle finger, I really did è not think much of it because I figured that in a little è while that pain may go down to my toe, or my leg or è where ever lyme pain feels like going. As the week è went on I still had the pain, but now it was going up my è are. I woke up on Wed. AM and noticed that I had the è biggest blake and blue on the top of my right hand next è to my little finger. What is that all about. *****WOW, I had a similar experience with my left hand but didn't connect it to the Lyme??!!! My 5th meta-carpel of my left hand was very sore, like I had hit it, which I hadn't to my knowledge. Approx the 4th day it turned blue then green, like there was trama injury?? It was sore for 3 weeks.....since I have Rheumatoid Arthritis, i thought it had something to do with that??? Let me know if you find out if it could be the Lyme?? Angel Huggzzz or Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Hello 1/25/04, In reference to your comment: è My hand has never turned any other color but black è and its swollen. It also hurts all the way to my arm pit. è As soon as I find out I'll let you know. Sometimes you è never know whats the lyme or something else. Janet *****Thanks Janet.....bless your heart, I will say a prayer for your recovery... Angel Huggzz or Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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