Re: Build a IR sauna for under $120.00

October 3, 2003

Way to go. I'm sure that you will enjoy the warmth and the sauna

experience. Rather than stand, find a wood stool to put in the tub

and by all means don't accidentally turn on the shower.

I still think that the stand alone far infrared heater, although a

little more expensive, is a better way to go. When the heaters are

not being used for sauna they can be used to provide FIR heat to the

home. Also, they deliver infrared energy across the entire

spectrum. Heat Lamps do not emit far infrared energy, which

according to research has been found to be the most beneficial for

the human body.

For the do it yourselfer, your solution is good for a IR sauna. If

you want the benefits of far infrared, it comes from a heater with a

ceramic element that emits FIR energy. Contrary to whatever you may

have heard, heat lamps do not emit far infrared energy.

All the best,

Jim

> > Greg,

> >

> > I am new to all of this. Can you tell me more about the use of

> > saunas and if a wet sauna, not an IR sauna is supposed to be

useful

> > for the detox and healing we need to do with late stage Lyme's

> > disease. I have just been diagnosed by a wonderful doctor in

MO. I

> > have a fitness center in my building with a wet sauna. I also

am

> > interested in nowinf how much sapce and electrical hook ups

would

> be

> > needed for the home unit. I am very disabled and find it hard

to

> > ever get out of my apartment. Fatigue and some weird need to

just

> be

> > alone seem to keep me in the house all the time.

> >

> > I just started antibiotic treatment and we wait for a few more

test

> > results to come back. But my western Blot was positive for

Lyme's

> > Borreliosis and my nutritional status is poor. I am also not

> > uptaking my hormones even with supplementationa nd need growth

> > hormone although i cna not find a local doctor who understands

the

> > issue of secretory dysfunction of the hypothalamus. I live in

> > Minneappolis.

> >

> > I am trying to read the old post o find information to help me

> since

> > I am doing my care via a long distance relationship with my

doctor.

> > Not one doctor here seems to agree that late stage lyme's

exist,

> > that the DX's of FMS and CFS are no more than labels for

symptoms

> > tha tuntil now we did not know was Lymes and seriously do not

> > understand the hormone deficiencies I have had for now more

than 10

> > years. I beleive my Lyme's infection is at least 25 yeasr old

and

> > there wil probably be some coinfection showing up. I have

> > hypercoagulation (ISAC) and wonder is once I start heparin if

that

> > will rule out saunas becasue my blood would be thinned.

> >

> > Please share what you can. Thanks.

> > W, Minn. age 57, totally disabled since 1993, sick since

1972

> >

> > > [ ] IR sauna report

> > >

> > > I did my first IR sauna last night. Dr. shipped the

the

> > preassembled IR lights and I just had to screw them in the

wall. I

> > had first planned on setting it up in my bathroom. I did the

whole

> > set up and found that I could only get the temp up to 95F

because

> > the bathroom was large and much too aerated. Then I remembered

my

> > hall closet. It is so tiny, but it fits just right. Within 5

> > minutes I was sweating profusely. I was able to get the closet

to

> > about 111F. I mean I could really feel the sweat pouring out

of my

> > pores. Next time I'm going to put a towel on the ground

because

> > there is really that much sweat. Before stepping into the

sauna I

> > weighed 174. When I finished the sauna, I weighed 171. I'm

sure 3

> > pounds of liquid out my body carried a lot of crap with it. I

was

> > really exhausted. I did the sauna for 25 minutes. It was

pretty

> > easy to tolerate. I use the sauna at the gym weekly. I won't

be

> > going to the gym anymore. It's nice to do it from the comfort

of

> > > home. About halfway into my session, my friend opened the

door

> > to check on me. She couldn't believe that I was covered in

drops

> > and rivulets of sweat from head to toe. The heat wasn't

unbearable

> > at all. They say that infrared works different, that it

penetrates

> > and heats from inside. So maybe I killed some bugs, but most

of

> all

> > I got one hell of a detox. After the sauna, I took a warm

shower

> > and didn't use any soaps per Dr. 's instructions. Then

> > funniest thing though....30 minutes after my shower I was

sitting

> on

> > the couch and still sweating. The living room wasn't hot or

> > anything. I think the infrared heat was still eminating from

my

> > body. I welcomed it. The more sweat the better. I had to

drink

> > about 3 full glasses of water that night to rehydrate myself.

> After

> > drinking the water, my weight up to 173 and I had the

satisfaction

> > of knowing that I had replaced 3 pounds of toxic sweat with 2

> pounds

> > of clean water. I plan on using my sauna 3 - 4 times a week. I

> > > already feel a difference in my circulation too. To have a

> > sauna in my house for $199.00 is such an amazing bargain.

> > >

> > > -greg

>

October 3, 2003

,

Can I forward your paragraph on to a parent who would be forwarding

your paragraph onto some autism lists.

Thank you.

Terry

(P.S. Your email won't be forwarded, if you are willing to have the paragraph

forwarded. Thanks.)

[ ] IR sauna report

> >

> > I did my first IR sauna last night. Dr. shipped the the

> preassembled IR lights and I just had to screw them in the wall. I

> had first planned on setting it up in my bathroom. I did the whole

> set up and found that I could only get the temp up to 95F because

> the bathroom was large and much too aerated. Then I remembered my

> hall closet. It is so tiny, but it fits just right. Within 5

> minutes I was sweating profusely. I was able to get the closet to

> about 111F. I mean I could really feel the sweat pouring out of my

> pores. Next time I'm going to put a towel on the ground because

> there is really that much sweat. Before stepping into the sauna I

> weighed 174. When I finished the sauna, I weighed 171. I'm sure 3

> pounds of liquid out my body carried a lot of crap with it. I was

> really exhausted. I did the sauna for 25 minutes. It was pretty

> easy to tolerate. I use the sauna at the gym weekly. I won't be

> going to the gym anymore. It's nice to do it from the comfort of

> > home. About halfway into my session, my friend opened the door

> to check on me. She couldn't believe that I was covered in drops

> and rivulets of sweat from head to toe. The heat wasn't unbearable

> at all. They say that infrared works different, that it penetrates

> and heats from inside. So maybe I killed some bugs, but most of

all

> I got one hell of a detox. After the sauna, I took a warm shower

> and didn't use any soaps per Dr. 's instructions. Then

> funniest thing though....30 minutes after my shower I was sitting

on

> the couch and still sweating. The living room wasn't hot or

> anything. I think the infrared heat was still eminating from my

> body. I welcomed it. The more sweat the better. I had to drink

> about 3 full glasses of water that night to rehydrate myself.

After

> drinking the water, my weight up to 173 and I had the satisfaction

> of knowing that I had replaced 3 pounds of toxic sweat with 2

pounds

> of clean water. I plan on using my sauna 3 - 4 times a week. I

> > already feel a difference in my circulation too. To have a

> sauna in my house for $199.00 is such an amazing bargain.

> >

> > -greg

October 3, 2003

That's an interesting innovation! It reminds me of the health club I

never went to all year, a few blocks away, they have an infrared

sauna and the bulbs are all on the ceiling, and there are two tiers

of wooden shelflike seating. Larry recommends 3 bulbs in a 4

by 4 by 6 space. 3 bulbs in my closet which is probably more like 3

by 3 by 11 or something, is SUPER hot. I have had to lay off for a

few days as I overdid it and must start slower. I got too much detox

going, or maybe herx, who knows, anyway...it is a VERY powerful

modality. I am reminded early in lyme of hearing of a guy who cured

his lyme only by sweat lodges. He would relapse, go do sweat lodges

again, be well for a while, relapse, etc, but after 2 years of

periodic sweat lodges, he was totally cured.

So six bulbs is super strong. Remember to drink water before an

dafter, and during if necessary. Replace minerals and electrolytes.

A great electrolyte formula I bought is Elyte (google it).

> > Greg,

> >

> > I am new to all of this. Can you tell me more about the use of

> > saunas and if a wet sauna, not an IR sauna is supposed to be

useful

> > for the detox and healing we need to do with late stage Lyme's

> > disease. I have just been diagnosed by a wonderful doctor in

MO. I

> > have a fitness center in my building with a wet sauna. I also

am

> > interested in nowinf how much sapce and electrical hook ups

would

> be

> > needed for the home unit. I am very disabled and find it hard

to

> > ever get out of my apartment. Fatigue and some weird need to

just

> be

> > alone seem to keep me in the house all the time.

> >

> > I just started antibiotic treatment and we wait for a few more

test

> > results to come back. But my western Blot was positive for

Lyme's

> > Borreliosis and my nutritional status is poor. I am also not

> > uptaking my hormones even with supplementationa nd need growth

> > hormone although i cna not find a local doctor who understands

the

> > issue of secretory dysfunction of the hypothalamus. I live in

> > Minneappolis.

> >

> > I am trying to read the old post o find information to help me

> since

> > I am doing my care via a long distance relationship with my

doctor.

> > Not one doctor here seems to agree that late stage lyme's

exist,

> > that the DX's of FMS and CFS are no more than labels for

symptoms

> > tha tuntil now we did not know was Lymes and seriously do not

> > understand the hormone deficiencies I have had for now more

than 10

> > years. I beleive my Lyme's infection is at least 25 yeasr old

and

> > there wil probably be some coinfection showing up. I have

> > hypercoagulation (ISAC) and wonder is once I start heparin if

that

> > will rule out saunas becasue my blood would be thinned.

> >

> > Please share what you can. Thanks.

> > W, Minn. age 57, totally disabled since 1993, sick since

1972

> >

> > > [ ] IR sauna report

> > >

> > > I did my first IR sauna last night. Dr. shipped the

the

> > preassembled IR lights and I just had to screw them in the

wall. I

> > had first planned on setting it up in my bathroom. I did the

whole

> > set up and found that I could only get the temp up to 95F

because

> > the bathroom was large and much too aerated. Then I remembered

my

> > hall closet. It is so tiny, but it fits just right. Within 5

> > minutes I was sweating profusely. I was able to get the closet

to

> > about 111F. I mean I could really feel the sweat pouring out

of my

> > pores. Next time I'm going to put a towel on the ground

because

> > there is really that much sweat. Before stepping into the

sauna I

> > weighed 174. When I finished the sauna, I weighed 171. I'm

sure 3

> > pounds of liquid out my body carried a lot of crap with it. I

was

> > really exhausted. I did the sauna for 25 minutes. It was

pretty

> > easy to tolerate. I use the sauna at the gym weekly. I won't

be

> > going to the gym anymore. It's nice to do it from the comfort

of

> > > home. About halfway into my session, my friend opened the

door

> > to check on me. She couldn't believe that I was covered in

drops

> > and rivulets of sweat from head to toe. The heat wasn't

unbearable

> > at all. They say that infrared works different, that it

penetrates

> > and heats from inside. So maybe I killed some bugs, but most

of

> all

> > I got one hell of a detox. After the sauna, I took a warm

shower

> > and didn't use any soaps per Dr. 's instructions. Then

> > funniest thing though....30 minutes after my shower I was

sitting

> on

> > the couch and still sweating. The living room wasn't hot or

> > anything. I think the infrared heat was still eminating from

my

> > body. I welcomed it. The more sweat the better. I had to

drink

> > about 3 full glasses of water that night to rehydrate myself.

> After

> > drinking the water, my weight up to 173 and I had the

satisfaction

> > of knowing that I had replaced 3 pounds of toxic sweat with 2

> pounds

> > of clean water. I plan on using my sauna 3 - 4 times a week. I

> > > already feel a difference in my circulation too. To have a

> > sauna in my house for $199.00 is such an amazing bargain.

> > >

> > > -greg

>

October 3, 2003

Larry 's sauna uses heat lamps as the heat source. Heat lamps

generate IR in the near infrared and some into the middle infrared

range. I have yet to find any data to show that heat lamps generate

IR into the far infrared range. See the graph on the webpage

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Soapbox/Articles/WhyFIR.html

Even though the heat lamp sauna does not emit into the FIR range,

there is obviously good benefits to using this type sauna as those

now using them will atest. Personally, I've not tried the heat lamps

so cannot say how it compares.

If the research findings that the composition of sweat produced in a

conventional sauna is different from the composition of sweat

produced in a FIR sauna, I suspect that there is probably some

difference in composition of sweat produced in IR sauna vs. FIR sauna.

The ceramic heating elements, like those used in the FIR sauna,

radiate energy across the entire IR spectrum. You may want to read

some of the referenced articles that are linked at the bottom of the

above webpage.

All the best,

Jim

> Did Larry use IR or far IR? Rita

October 4, 2003

I asked him and he thought not. My closets have not been painted in

years. But when you do paint a room, one way to speed the offgassing

is to " bake " it for a few days. So my hunch is if you were worried,

you could turn on the sauna lights and bake the closet for a while

and then air it out.

> Does he have any concern that the infra-red sauna will cause the

paints on the

> walls or the waxes on the floor, or the woods in the closest (door/

wall/ floor)

> etc. to activate or out-gas?

>

> Could it make the air toxic by causing the materials of the closet

to out-gas?

>

> Do you know?

> [ ] Re: Build a IR sauna for under $120.00

>

> > That's an interesting innovation! It reminds me of the health

club I

> > never went to all year, a few blocks away, they have an infrared

> > sauna and the bulbs are all on the ceiling, and there are two

tiers

> > of wooden shelflike seating. Larry recommends 3 bulbs

in a 4

> > by 4 by 6 space. 3 bulbs in my closet which is probably more

like 3

> > by 3 by 11 or something, is SUPER hot. I have had to lay off

for a

> > few days as I overdid it and must start slower. I got too much

detox

> > going, or maybe herx, who knows, anyway...it is a VERY powerful

> > modality. I am reminded early in lyme of hearing of a guy who

cured

> > his lyme only by sweat lodges. He would relapse, go do sweat

lodges

> > again, be well for a while, relapse, etc, but after 2 years of

> > periodic sweat lodges, he was totally cured.

> >

October 4, 2003

You did not miss the very best. If you read Dr. 's book on

sauna therapy, it is quite opwerful adn effective (read his own

story). Some of the original studies on sauan therapy in the far

east were done with bulbs just like these. There have not been a lot

done with ceramic units, and they do emit a narrower range. In fact,

Dr. thinks they emit a magnetic field that is unhealthy (I'm

not saying this is true, just that there's clearly a lot of different

opinions about this). Ron Hubbard's program used regular saunas.

Probably most saunas are good but the heat in regular ones is hard to

tolerate.

I am not sure if Jim mentioend it but he has been selling, in the

past, the units he recommends. They may be effective but there is no

proof they are more effective. Perhaps he could put his website and

state the fact that he is a consultant at the bottom of his emails,

as do Sue Massie & others, so that it is clear to people what he

does. Just a suggestion.

> > > Greg,

> > >

> > > I am new to all of this. Can you tell me more about the use

of

> > > saunas and if a wet sauna, not an IR sauna is supposed to

be

> useful

> > > for the detox and healing we need to do with late stage

Lyme's

> > > disease. I have just been diagnosed by a wonderful doctor

in

> MO. I

> > > have a fitness center in my building with a wet sauna. I

also

> am

> > > interested in nowinf how much sapce and electrical hook ups

> would

> > be

> > > needed for the home unit. I am very disabled and find it

hard

> to

> > > ever get out of my apartment. Fatigue and some weird need

to

> just

> > be

> > > alone seem to keep me in the house all the time.

> > >

> > > I just started antibiotic treatment and we wait for a few

more

> test

> > > results to come back. But my western Blot was positive for

> Lyme's

> > > Borreliosis and my nutritional status is poor. I am also

not

> > > uptaking my hormones even with supplementationa nd need

growth

> > > hormone although i cna not find a local doctor who

understands

> the

> > > issue of secretory dysfunction of the hypothalamus. I live

in

> > > Minneappolis.

> > >

> > > I am trying to read the old post o find information to help

me

> > since

> > > I am doing my care via a long distance relationship with my

> doctor.

> > > Not one doctor here seems to agree that late stage lyme's

> exist,

> > > that the DX's of FMS and CFS are no more than labels for

> symptoms

> > > tha tuntil now we did not know was Lymes and seriously do

not

> > > understand the hormone deficiencies I have had for now more

> than 10

> > > years. I beleive my Lyme's infection is at least 25 yeasr

old

> and

> > > there wil probably be some coinfection showing up. I have

> > > hypercoagulation (ISAC) and wonder is once I start heparin

if

> that

> > > will rule out saunas becasue my blood would be thinned.

> > >

> > > Please share what you can. Thanks.

> > > W, Minn. age 57, totally disabled since 1993, sick

since

> 1972

> > >

> > > > [ ] IR sauna report

> > > >

> > > > I did my first IR sauna last night. Dr. shipped

the

> the

> > > preassembled IR lights and I just had to screw them in the

> wall. I

> > > had first planned on setting it up in my bathroom. I did

the

> whole

> > > set up and found that I could only get the temp up to 95F

> because

> > > the bathroom was large and much too aerated. Then I

remembered

> my

> > > hall closet. It is so tiny, but it fits just right.

Within 5

> > > minutes I was sweating profusely. I was able to get the

closet

> to

> > > about 111F. I mean I could really feel the sweat pouring

out

> of my

> > > pores. Next time I'm going to put a towel on the ground

> because

> > > there is really that much sweat. Before stepping into the

> sauna I

> > > weighed 174. When I finished the sauna, I weighed 171.

I'm

> sure 3

> > > pounds of liquid out my body carried a lot of crap with

it. I

> was

> > > really exhausted. I did the sauna for 25 minutes. It was

> pretty

> > > easy to tolerate. I use the sauna at the gym weekly. I

won't

> be

> > > going to the gym anymore. It's nice to do it from the

comfort

> of

> > > > home. About halfway into my session, my friend opened

the

> door

> > > to check on me. She couldn't believe that I was covered in

> drops

> > > and rivulets of sweat from head to toe. The heat wasn't

> unbearable

> > > at all. They say that infrared works different, that it

> penetrates

> > > and heats from inside. So maybe I killed some bugs, but

most

> of

> > all

> > > I got one hell of a detox. After the sauna, I took a warm

> shower

> > > and didn't use any soaps per Dr. 's instructions.

Then

> > > funniest thing though....30 minutes after my shower I was

> sitting

> > on

> > > the couch and still sweating. The living room wasn't hot

or

> > > anything. I think the infrared heat was still eminating

from

> my

> > > body. I welcomed it. The more sweat the better. I had to

> drink

> > > about 3 full glasses of water that night to rehydrate

myself.

> > After

> > > drinking the water, my weight up to 173 and I had the

> satisfaction

> > > of knowing that I had replaced 3 pounds of toxic sweat with

2

> > pounds

> > > of clean water. I plan on using my sauna 3 - 4 times a

week. I

> > > > already feel a difference in my circulation too. To

have a

> > > sauna in my house for $199.00 is such an amazing bargain.

> > > >

> > > > -greg

> >

October 4, 2003

holy cow mary!!!!!!!!!!!!

you ROCK~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!

i am SO proud of you! ok..........now, tell me something: what are the

benefits you are trying to get from your sauna? because if it has anything

to do with sweating out some of the lyme junk, i'm on my way to home depot!

Jeni

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>From: " Hall " <meryhart@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: [ ] Build a IR sauna for under $120.00

>Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:12:09 -0400

>

>Yesterday, I went to Walmart and bought (6) 250 watt infra red bulbs(they

>cost around $7.00 each). Then I went to HomeDepot, and bought 2 bathroom

>light fixtures at $29.00 each (pretty gold ones, 4 feet long, and good up

>to eight bulbs, or a total of 650 watts, WITH ceramic bases, not cardboard,

>VERY IMPORTANT. Also, I purchased gold screw hooks ( in several sizes). I

>screwed these into my walk-in shower area, (above the shower tiles). Then

>I tied ( up to 36 pound weight) string through the back of each lightbars

>and hung them up. Oh, before this, I wired these lightbars to ready to go

>electric cord, (good up to 15 AMPS) having bare wires on one end, and a

>plug on the other(about $7.00 each) to wire to something. I pugged these

>into a 6 outlet surge protector( $7.00) , and plugged into my bathroom

>outlet. I covered the top of the shower area with towels, draped onto

>those little golden hooks. For about $120.00 I built my own infra-red

>sauna. I stand up, and can drip sweat onto the shower floor, great! I may

>hang it in another bathroom, a tub, where I will be able to put a stool. I

>used existing construction for my frame, and ready to go, hardware, and

>electrical wiring. I am proud of myself, and I DID sweat alot!! They are

>pretty to look at, too.

> [ ] IR sauna report

> > >

> > > I did my first IR sauna last night. Dr. shipped the the

> > preassembled IR lights and I just had to screw them in the wall. I

> > had first planned on setting it up in my bathroom. I did the whole

> > set up and found that I could only get the temp up to 95F because

> > the bathroom was large and much too aerated. Then I remembered my

> > hall closet. It is so tiny, but it fits just right. Within 5

> > minutes I was sweating profusely. I was able to get the closet to

> > about 111F. I mean I could really feel the sweat pouring out of my

> > pores. Next time I'm going to put a towel on the ground because

> > there is really that much sweat. Before stepping into the sauna I

> > weighed 174. When I finished the sauna, I weighed 171. I'm sure 3

> > pounds of liquid out my body carried a lot of crap with it. I was

> > really exhausted. I did the sauna for 25 minutes. It was pretty

> > easy to tolerate. I use the sauna at the gym weekly. I won't be

> > going to the gym anymore. It's nice to do it from the comfort of

> > > home. About halfway into my session, my friend opened the door

> > to check on me. She couldn't believe that I was covered in drops

> > and rivulets of sweat from head to toe. The heat wasn't unbearable

> > at all. They say that infrared works different, that it penetrates

> > and heats from inside. So maybe I killed some bugs, but most of

> all

> > I got one hell of a detox. After the sauna, I took a warm shower

> > and didn't use any soaps per Dr. 's instructions. Then

> > funniest thing though....30 minutes after my shower I was sitting

> on

> > the couch and still sweating. The living room wasn't hot or

> > anything. I think the infrared heat was still eminating from my

> > body. I welcomed it. The more sweat the better. I had to drink

> > about 3 full glasses of water that night to rehydrate myself.

> After

> > drinking the water, my weight up to 173 and I had the satisfaction

> > of knowing that I had replaced 3 pounds of toxic sweat with 2

> pounds

> > of clean water. I plan on using my sauna 3 - 4 times a week. I

> > > already feel a difference in my circulation too. To have a

> > sauna in my house for $199.00 is such an amazing bargain.

> > >

> > > -greg

>

October 4, 2003

Jeni, for starters, my hubby pointed out that I should have a closure to the

open bulb , empty sockets left open. He checked at home depot, none at ours

anyway. The next best, would be to buy a bulb base reducer, and put a low watt

night light in, even burned out would be OK. Just so there was no socket with

electric open. Ok Jeni... I want to sweat out neurotoxins. My Doctor, whose wife

has lyme, and he took her to the reverred Doctor Burrascano, tells me his wife's

vision improved after just 3 treatments! My perfect eyesight went to far

sighted, with this lyme. The neurotoxins affect eyesight. See VCS.com for more

info. i tested positive on their online program. Also, I am drinking A LOT of

water. 100 ounces a day. And, my bladder control has actually improved!! Check

out the watercure philosophy. INTERESTING stuff. (I thot I was superwoman after

delivering, and worked in my garden, not giving my bladder a chance to settle

out right, so it has slipped a bitty) I feel better drinking water. I have only

used my sauna 1 time. I'll keep you all posted with my far-sightedness. Thank

you Jeni for your TADA of me!! I like your postings. Keep up the spitfire!!! I

will!!

Re: [ ] Build a IR sauna for under $120.00

holy cow mary!!!!!!!!!!!!

you ROCK~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!

i am SO proud of you! ok..........now, tell me something: what are the

benefits you are trying to get from your sauna? because if it has anything

to do with sweating out some of the lyme junk, i'm on my way to home depot!

Jeni

October 4, 2003

Terry, by all means! Sure, and share I will. However, as an adult, my body

movments are very controlled, I don't jerk and sneeze, stuff like that, you

know? Precautions are advised to put metal wiring over the bulbs to avoid

accidental breakage. Also, could the little one turn on the water? And, the

empty sockets for anyone, shoud be capped off, see posting to Jeni for ideas. I

would be delighted to be a part of helping. My best to you, Please forgive me if

I try to help too much.