USA supplements under attack

[Guest guest]

Hello-- I'm sending this to you to ask your help in protesting another

attempt to limit access to supplements. This time it is an item in the Wall

Street reform bill by Congressman Henry Waxman (D, CA), that would expand

FTC (Federal Trade Commission) powers to again be able to create new

regulations without Congressional approval, and thus outside of the

political process that gives the people a voice in how we shall be

governed. In the 1980s the power of the FTC to set regulations

independently was stripped because of abuses, and one of the things FTC

wanted to do then, and will want to do again, was limit access to

supplements. Waxman wants to limit access to supplements.

https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543

Our voices matter and we can stop this and other attacks from succeeding.

We just need to be watchful, to unite, and to speak up. We have been

successful in the past and we will prevail in this current situation if

enough of us speak up. Please follow this link and fill out your contact

info to go to your U.S. senators. You can opt out of any further mailings

from the sponsoring organization, the Natural Health Alliance, by

unchecking the box that is part of the info form.

Please cross-post freely.

https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543

with best wishes,

--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

>Can we please leave politics out of discussion of access to supplements?

>Thanks. -Angie

Actually, no we can't. This isn't a question of partisan party-based

politics. This is about people making sure we can still buy supplements as

we wish. Do you really want to lose your access to supplements? Because

that is what this is about. Politics would be me advocating a particular

candidate for office. This isn't politics. People in both parties are both

for and against free access to supplements. This is democracy at work, and

if you don't use it, you lose it.

I was involved in the original fight for the 1994 DSHEA bill that protects

our access in the USA, which remains greater than in Europe, where

potencies are governed heavily (some of our international members of this

list may wish to testify). Our freedom to choose our path to health is

worth protecting, must be protected, where ever it is under attack.

--

>On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Baker wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>Hello-- I'm sending this to you to ask your help in protesting another

>>attempt to limit access to supplements. This time it is an item in the Wall

>>Street reform bill by Congressman Henry Waxman (D, CA), that would expand

>>FTC (Federal Trade Commission) powers to again be able to create new

>>regulations without Congressional approval, and thus outside of the

>>political process that gives the people a voice in how we shall be

>>governed. In the 1980s the power of the FTC to set regulations

>>independently was stripped because of abuses, and one of the things FTC

>>wanted to do then, and will want to do again, was limit access to

>>supplements. Waxman wants to limit access to supplements.

>>

>><https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=\

543>https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id\

=543

>>

>>Our voices matter and we can stop this and other attacks from succeeding.

>>We just need to be watchful, to unite, and to speak up. We have been

>>successful in the past and we will prevail in this current situation if

>>enough of us speak up. Please follow this link and fill out your contact

>>info to go to your U.S. senators. You can opt out of any further mailings

>>from the sponsoring organization, the Natural Health Alliance, by

>>unchecking the box that is part of the info form.

>>

>>Please cross-post freely.

>>

>><https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=\

543>https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id\

=543

>>

>>with best wishes,

>>--

>>

>>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

>>--A.J. Muste

>

>

>

>

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--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I agree with what you wrote. I didn't mean

discussion of access to supplements. I meant other stuff embedded in

the original email that took a viewpoint on regulations not directly

related to access to supplements, a viewpoint not everyone here will

agree on, as well as assertions that particular members of congress

are targeting supplements, when it's likely they are not. Notice that

a bill contains language that could be interpreted to restrict access

to supplements, without extraneous commentary, should suffice, IMO. -A

On Apr 28, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Baker wrote:

>

> >Can we please leave politics out of discussion of access to

> supplements?

> >Thanks. -Angie

>

> Actually, no we can't. This isn't a question of partisan party-based

> politics. This is about people making sure we can still buy

> supplements as

> we wish. Do you really want to lose your access to supplements?

> Because

> that is what this is about. Politics would be me advocating a

> particular

> candidate for office. This isn't politics. People in both parties

> are both

> for and against free access to supplements. This is democracy at

> work, and

> if you don't use it, you lose it.

>

> I was involved in the original fight for the 1994 DSHEA bill that

> protects

> our access in the USA, which remains greater than in Europe, where

> potencies are governed heavily (some of our international members

> of this

> list may wish to testify). Our freedom to choose our path to health is

> worth protecting, must be protected, where ever it is under attack.

>

> --

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very, very seldom is anything like this posted. This info IS important if we want to

continue to have access to good supplementation. Many on this forum depend on good

supplementation for their health issues.

The pharmaceutical companies would love for the FTC and FDA to give them

complete control over vitamins/supplements. Natural healthcare is becoming a

multi-billion dollar business because the “light” is finally coming

on for many people in that they need to be responsible for and take care of

their own health through the type of prevention that works. Obviously this takes a big chunk out of Big

Pharma’s pockets.

Forums like the iodine group need to know what is going on in the political

arena. If this is something you/others

are not interested in then please push the delete button and go on. This is not political in the sense of an

“opinion” – the information that provided is fact. Information empowers and it should not

be suppressed.

Be Well

Dr.L

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Totten

Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010

11:26 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: USA

supplements under attack

Can we please leave politics

out of discussion of access to supplements? Thanks. -Angie

On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:09 AM,

Baker wrote:

Hello-- I'm sending this to you to ask your help in protesting another

attempt to limit access to supplements. This time it is an item in the Wall

Street reform bill by Congressman Henry Waxman (D, CA), that would expand

FTC (Federal Trade Commission) powers to again be able to create new

regulations without Congressional approval, and thus outside of the

political process that gives the people a voice in how we shall be

governed. In the 1980s the power of the FTC to set regulations

independently was stripped because of abuses, and one of the things FTC

wanted to do then, and will want to do again, was limit access to

supplements. Waxman wants to limit access to supplements.

https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543

Our voices matter and we can stop this and other attacks from succeeding.

We just need to be watchful, to unite, and to speak up. We have been

successful in the past and we will prevail in this current situation if

enough of us speak up. Please follow this link and fill out your contact

info to go to your U.S. senators. You can opt out of any further mailings

from the sponsoring organization, the Natural Health Alliance, by

unchecking the box that is part of the info form.

Please cross-post freely.

https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543

with best wishes,

--

[Guest guest]

, unfortunately Waxman is actively against free access to

supplements. Don't ask me why, he is otherwise a fine intellect. He is

the person sponsoring the return to FTC free-reign on promulgating

regulations. We need to know who is against free choice in health, no

matter who they are, and likewise we need to know who is for free choice,

no matter who. I also was involved in the fight to strip the FTC of their

regulating authority in the 1980s-- I have been involved in the fight for

free access to supplements for that long-- and the issue about FTC

regulatory power is completely pertinent to this issue. I said nothing that

was not factual and pertinent. Anyone who thinks we are not in for a

long-haul struggle about retaining our right to free choice of supplements

is living in a dream world-- there is too much money at stake, as Dr L

noted. So I note your suggestions, but as someone who is a veteran of

these struggles, I reserve the right to inform people about who and what

the dangers are.

--

At 12:04 PM 4/28/2010, you wrote:

>Thanks, . I agree with what you wrote. I didn't mean

>discussion of access to supplements. I meant other stuff embedded in

>the original email that took a viewpoint on regulations not directly

>related to access to supplements, a viewpoint not everyone here will

>agree on, as well as assertions that particular members of congress

>are targeting supplements, when it's likely they are not. Notice that

>a bill contains language that could be interpreted to restrict access

>to supplements, without extraneous commentary, should suffice, IMO. -A

>

>

>On Apr 28, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Baker wrote:

>

> >

> > >Can we please leave politics out of discussion of access to

> > supplements?

> > >Thanks. -Angie

> >

> > Actually, no we can't. This isn't a question of partisan party-based

> > politics. This is about people making sure we can still buy

> > supplements as

> > we wish. Do you really want to lose your access to supplements?

> > Because

> > that is what this is about. Politics would be me advocating a

> > particular

> > candidate for office. This isn't politics. People in both parties

> > are both

> > for and against free access to supplements. This is democracy at

> > work, and

> > if you don't use it, you lose it.

> >

> > I was involved in the original fight for the 1994 DSHEA bill that

> > protects

> > our access in the USA, which remains greater than in Europe, where

> > potencies are governed heavily (some of our international members

> > of this

> > list may wish to testify). Our freedom to choose our path to health is

> > worth protecting, must be protected, where ever it is under attack.

> >

> > --

Hello-- I'm sending this to you to ask your help in protesting another

attempt to limit access to supplements. This time it is an item in the Wall

Street reform bill by Congressman Henry Waxman (D, CA), that would expand

FTC (Federal Trade Commission) powers to again be able to create new

regulations without Congressional approval, and thus outside of the

political process that gives the people a voice in how we shall be

governed. In the 1980s the power of the FTC to set regulations

independently was stripped because of abuses, and one of the things FTC

wanted to do then, and will want to do again, was limit access to

supplements. Waxman wants to limit access to supplements.

https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543

Our voices matter and we can stop this and other attacks from succeeding.

We just need to be watchful, to unite, and to speak up. We have been

successful in the past and we will prevail in this current situation if

enough of us speak up. Please follow this link and fill out your contact

info to go to your U.S. senators. You can opt out of any further mailings

from the sponsoring organization, the Natural Health Alliance, by

unchecking the box that is part of the info form.

Please cross-post freely.

https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Trying to discuss the attack on supplements without discussing politics is like discussing cake-baking and not talking about sugar and flour. This trash we've sent to Wasington over the last few decades is the VERY reason our supplements might go the way of the Dodo. It doesn't matter if we're talking about 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, supplements, or air and water quality. These mongrels in D.C. are the problem. Any law passed is a right lost. And once lost will never be retrieved. We must show the miscreants on BOTH sides of the aisle that their SOLE job is to secure the borders. Then stay out of our way so that we might take care of ourselves.

JMHO Jim

From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@...>iodine Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 1:08:13 PMSubject: RE: USA supplements under attack

Very, very seldom is anything like this posted. This info IS important if we want to continue to have access to good supplementation. Many on this forum depend on good supplementation for their health issues. The pharmaceutical companies would love for the FTC and FDA to give them complete control over vitamins/supplement s. Natural healthcare is becoming a multi-billion dollar business because the “light†is finally coming on for many people in that they need to be responsible for and take care of their own health through the type of prevention that works. Obviously this takes a big chunk out of Big Pharma’s pockets.Forums like the iodine group need to know what is going on in the political arena. If this is something

you/others are not interested in then please push the delete button and go on. This is not political in the sense of an “opinion†– the information that provided is fact. Information empowers and it should not be suppressed. Be Well

Dr.L

From: iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of TottenSent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:26 AMiodinegroups (DOT) comSubject: Re: USA supplements under attack

Can we please leave politics out of discussion of access to supplements? Thanks. -Angie

On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Baker wrote:

Hello-- I'm sending this to you to ask your help in protesting another attempt to limit access to supplements. This time it is an item in the Wall Street reform bill by Congressman Henry Waxman (D, CA), that would expand FTC (Federal Trade Commission) powers to again be able to create new regulations without Congressional approval, and thus outside of the political process that gives the people a voice in how we shall be governed. In the 1980s the power of the FTC to set regulations independently was stripped because of abuses, and one of the things FTC wanted to do then, and will want to do again, was limit access to supplements. Waxman wants to limit access to supplements.https://secure3.

convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543Our voices matter and we can stop this and other attacks from succeeding. We just need to be watchful, to unite, and to speak up. We have been successful in the past and we will prevail in this current situation if enough of us speak up. Please follow this link and fill out your contact info to go to your U.S. senators. You can opt out of any further mailings from the sponsoring organization, the Natural Health Alliance, by unchecking the box that is part of the info form.Please cross-post freely.https://secure3. convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543with best wishes,--

[Guest guest]

I agree - when I saw it posted I "Hit the pause button" on my reaction and thought though the fact that iodine is part of this supplement issue. Also the companion nutrients. We cannot let them pick away at our rights to acquire these things.

Steph

RE: USA supplements under attack

Very, very seldom is anything like this posted. This info IS important if we want to continue to have access to good supplementation. Many on this forum depend on good supplementation for their health issues. The pharmaceutical companies would love for the FTC and FDA to give them complete control over vitamins/supplements. Natural healthcare is becoming a multi-billion dollar business because the “light” is finally coming on for many people in that they need to be responsible for and take care of their own health through the type of prevention that works. Obviously this takes a big chunk out of Big Pharma’s pockets.Forums like the iodine group need to know what is going on in the political arena. If this is something you/others are not interested in then please push the delete button and go on. This is not political in the sense of an “opinion” – the information that provided is fact. Information empowers and it should not be suppressed. Be Well

Dr.L

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of TottenSent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:26 AMiodine Subject: Re: USA supplements under attack

Can we please leave politics out of discussion of access to supplements? Thanks. -Angie

On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Baker wrote:

Hello-- I'm sending this to you to ask your help in protesting another attempt to limit access to supplements. This time it is an item in the Wall Street reform bill by Congressman Henry Waxman (D, CA), that would expand FTC (Federal Trade Commission) powers to again be able to create new regulations without Congressional approval, and thus outside of the political process that gives the people a voice in how we shall be governed. In the 1980s the power of the FTC to set regulations independently was stripped because of abuses, and one of the things FTC wanted to do then, and will want to do again, was limit access to supplements. Waxman wants to limit access to supplements.https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543Our voices matter and we can stop this and other attacks from succeeding. We just need to be watchful, to unite, and to speak up. We have been successful in the past and we will prevail in this current situation if enough of us speak up. Please follow this link and fill out your contact info to go to your U.S. senators. You can opt out of any further mailings from the sponsoring organization, the Natural Health Alliance, by unchecking the box that is part of the info form.Please cross-post freely.https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543with best wishes,--

[Guest guest]

nice theory . But how do respect and letter writing win wars?

these guys don't play by the letter writing respect rule.

Devious, deceitful, criminal and arrogant are words that fit when it

comes to Pharma whom it seems are in court every other month.

In the Pfizer case the judge didn't hold back he called the company serial

liars and fined them $2.3 billion dollars. It was the 4th time in 10 years

they had been in court for similar offences.

Clearly large fines are mere petty cash when it comes to Pharma. And

thousands of patients dead and millions left suffering as a result of their

drugs and faked studies count for nothing.

It is beyond belief that when these coourt cases appear there is rarely

any mention of the damage to patients. They mention say a class action

and then move swiftly on to how much money is it all going to cost?

No if there is no emotion involved there will be no effective action.

People have to get angry to get moving. It's not a rational matter.

our lives are at stake and our childrens lives.

Unified and committed action. A plan needs to be devised and

agreed about what needs doing.

What do you propose.

david>>>Hello-- I'm sending this to you to ask your help in protesting another>attempt to limit access to supplements. This time it is an item in the Wall>Street reform bill by Congressman Henry Waxman (D, CA), that would expand>FTC (Federal Trade Commission) powers to again be able to create

new>regulations without Congressional approval, and thus outside of the>political process that gives the people a voice in how we shall be>governed. In the 1980s the power of the FTC to set regulations>independently was stripped because of abuses, and one of the things FTC>wanted to do then, and will want to do again, was limit access to>supplements. Waxman wants to limit access to supplements.>><https://secure3. convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543>https://secure3. >convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543>>Our voices matter and we can stop this and other attacks from succeeding.>We just need to be

watchful, to unite, and to speak up. We have been>successful in the past and we will prevail in this current situation if>enough of us speak up. Please follow this link and fill out your contact>info to go to your U.S. senators. You can opt out of any further mailings>from the sponsoring organization, the Natural Health Alliance, by>unchecking the box that is part of the info form.>>Please cross-post freely.>><https://secure3. convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543>https://secure3. >convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543>>with best

wishes,>-->>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com>Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2840 - Release Date: 04/28/10 >01:27:00~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , and thanks for all you've done to keep supplements available. I didn't know how much you knew about the situation when you made your original post, thought you were just editorializing a political viewpoint. :-) -AngieOn Apr 28, 2010, at 10:02 PM, Baker wrote: I'm not on the OT list, so I can't be there to discuss this, so I will write this final explanation and that will be all from me on this. Everything that anyone wants to know about how they can help this particular problem is in the original email I wrote. A few months ago I alerted (on this list) about the McCain bill which was going to limit access to supplements. As a result of that campaign, hundreds of thousands of people complained to their U.S. senators and that bill was dropped entirely. It's our democracy, use it or lose, lose it and weep. Pretending that we have no power and we need to start a war is the wrong approach-- inflammatory rhetoric will not work. We have a decent system of government and we need to use it. As I have explained, I have been involved in using our democracy to ensure access to supplements since the 1980s. I'm very sorry that my sense of urgency has contributed to this conversation going beyond the parameters necessary to convey the information. In the end, Angie, I owe you an apology, you clearly were onto something in your perceptions. In future I will simply post the need for action and the link. People can figure it out from there. Thank you all, who take action on this important issue. Taking this action will assure that your voice is heard in a useful manner, and I am confident our needs will prevail. https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage & cmd=display & page=ActionAlertTakenPage & id=543 with all best wishes, --

[Guest guest]

Thank you for posting this! I have bookmarked the site!

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Re: USA supplements under attack

I'm not on the OT list, so I can't be there to discuss this, so I will

write this final explanation and that will be all from me on this.

Everything that anyone wants to know about how they can help this

particular problem is in the original email I wrote. A few months ago I

alerted (on this list) about the McCain bill which was going to limit

access to supplements. As a result of that campaign, hundreds of thousands

of people complained to their U.S. senators and that bill was dropped

entirely. It's our democracy, use it or lose, lose it and weep. Pretending

that we have no power and we need to start a war is the wrong approach--

inflammatory rhetoric will not work. We have a decent system of government

and we need to use it. As I have explained, I have been involved in using

our democracy to ensure access to supplements since the 1980s.

I'm very sorry that my sense of urgency has contributed to this

conversation going beyond the parameters necessary to convey the

information. In the end, Angie, I owe you an apology, you clearly were onto

something in your perceptions.

In future I will simply post the need for action and the link. People can

figure it out from there.

Thank you all, who take action on this important issue. Taking this action

will assure that your voice is heard in a useful manner, and I am confident

our needs will prevail.

https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage & cmd=display & page\

=ActionAlertTakenPage & id=543

with all best wishes,

--

>nice theory . But how do respect and letter writing win wars?

>these guys don't play by the letter writing respect rule.

>Devious, deceitful, criminal and arrogant are words that fit when it

>comes to Pharma whom it seems are in court every other month.

>In the Pfizer case the judge didn't hold back he called the company serial

>liars and fined them $2.3 billion dollars. It was the 4th time in 10 years

>they had been in court for similar offences.

>Clearly large fines are mere petty cash when it comes to Pharma. And

>thousands of patients dead and millions left suffering as a result of their

>drugs and faked studies count for nothing.

>It is beyond belief that when these coourt cases appear there is rarely

>any mention of the damage to patients. They mention say a class action

>and then move swiftly on to how much money is it all going to cost?

>No if there is no emotion involved there will be no effective action.

>People have to get angry to get moving. It's not a rational matter.

>our lives are at stake and our childrens lives.

>Unified and committed action. A plan needs to be devised and

>agreed about what needs doing.

>What do you propose.

>david

>

>

> >

> >

> >Hello-- I'm sending this to you to ask your help in protesting another

> >attempt to limit access to supplements. This time it is an item in the Wall

> >Street reform bill by Congressman Henry Waxman (D, CA), that would expand

> >FTC (Federal Trade Commission) powers to again be able to create new

> >regulations without Congressional approval, and thus outside of the

> >political process that gives the people a voice in how we shall be

> >governed. In the 1980s the power of the FTC to set regulations

> >independently was stripped because of abuses, and one of the things FTC

> >wanted to do then, and will want to do again, was limit access to

> >supplements. Waxman wants to limit access to supplements.

> >

> ><<https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserActi

> on & id=543>https://secure3. convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display &

> page=UserAction & id=543>https://secure3.

> >convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543

> >

> >Our voices matter and we can stop this and other attacks from succeeding.

> >We just need to be watchful, to unite, and to speak up. We have been

> >successful in the past and we will prevail in this current situation if

> >enough of us speak up. Please follow this link and fill out your contact

> >info to go to your U.S. senators. You can opt out of any further mailings

> >from the sponsoring organization, the Natural Health Alliance, by

> >unchecking the box that is part of the info form.

> >

> >Please cross-post freely.

> >

> ><<https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display & page=UserActi

> on & id=543>https://secure3. convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display &

> page=UserAction & id=543>https://secure3.

> >convio.net/ aahf/site/ Advocacy? cmd=display & page=UserAction & id=543

> >

> >with best wishes,

> >--

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

>--A.J. Muste

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>

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