Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 There are many members emailing me privately complaining about the numerous off topic posts. They think I am a moderator and can do something about this. If it doesn't stop they are threatening to leave. I told them to contact the list owner and tell him. low dose naltrexone-owner > > ITA, This group is supposed to ONLY be about LDN, anything Extra should be taken elsewhere when it comes up. > > People disagree about everything else, the ping ponging should be taken elsewhere too. > > Good point > [low dose naltrexone] Re: Science-Based Medicine Low Dose Naltrexone - Bogus or Cutting E > > > > > Everybody-- > > I'm taking LDN. I am a scientist. Do you want to reduce the chances of LDN becoming an accepted therapy? Keep talking about ALA, colloidal silver, mistletoe, Prokarin, and anything that falls under the heading of alternative medicine. > > The track record of alternative medicine has been so poor that most scientists aren't going to bother wasting their time with it. You need to be throwing around the terms " placebo controlled double blind longitudinal study, " not " crystal power " or " I know it works because someone on an internet forum said so. " > > The best thing you can do is tell people about methods of preparation, or your symptoms and side-effects. Anything that actually works is going to have side-effects; although keep in mind that people have withdrawn from taking a placebo because of side-effects. Even this isn't going to convince a scientist; not when someone is complaining about bloody stools and then revealing that they are taking iron supplements, which are notoriously hard on the GI tract. > > LDN is worth further study. It does seem to do something measurable, and it's not immediately dangerous. For patients who don't have any other options and are undergoing a slow death anyway, it's worth the gamble. For patients whose disease can be controlled with drugs whose mechanisms, efficacy, and risk are well-understood, LDN is a poor choice. > > Don't try to argue that it's safe, or that naltrexone is safe, so LDN is safe. Naltrexone is safe in the sense that when used for addiction or alcoholism, it's less likely to cause harm than continued alcoholism is. Nobody knows what the risks of long-term endogenous opioid modulation of the immune system is. > > -RK > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 can someone tell me what topics are considered off topic? ALA, hormones, supplements, what? thanks.On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:51 PM, art_ldn <rtee54@...> wrote: There are many members emailing me privately complaining about the numerous off topic posts. They think I am a moderator and can do something about this. If it doesn't stop they are threatening to leave. I told them to contact the list owner and tell him. low dose naltrexone-owner > > ITA, This group is supposed to ONLY be about LDN, anything Extra should be taken elsewhere when it comes up. > > People disagree about everything else, the ping ponging should be taken elsewhere too. > > Good point > [low dose naltrexone] Re: Science-Based Medicine Low Dose Naltrexone - Bogus or Cutting E > > > > > Everybody-- > > I'm taking LDN. I am a scientist. Do you want to reduce the chances of LDN becoming an accepted therapy? Keep talking about ALA, colloidal silver, mistletoe, Prokarin, and anything that falls under the heading of alternative medicine. > > The track record of alternative medicine has been so poor that most scientists aren't going to bother wasting their time with it. You need to be throwing around the terms " placebo controlled double blind longitudinal study, " not " crystal power " or " I know it works because someone on an internet forum said so. " > > The best thing you can do is tell people about methods of preparation, or your symptoms and side-effects. Anything that actually works is going to have side-effects; although keep in mind that people have withdrawn from taking a placebo because of side-effects. Even this isn't going to convince a scientist; not when someone is complaining about bloody stools and then revealing that they are taking iron supplements, which are notoriously hard on the GI tract. > > LDN is worth further study. It does seem to do something measurable, and it's not immediately dangerous. For patients who don't have any other options and are undergoing a slow death anyway, it's worth the gamble. For patients whose disease can be controlled with drugs whose mechanisms, efficacy, and risk are well-understood, LDN is a poor choice. > > Don't try to argue that it's safe, or that naltrexone is safe, so LDN is safe. Naltrexone is safe in the sense that when used for addiction or alcoholism, it's less likely to cause harm than continued alcoholism is. Nobody knows what the risks of long-term endogenous opioid modulation of the immune system is. > > -RK > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 This is from the home page of this group: When sending a message to this group, please make sure that it: •Does not contain spam, advertising, or any form of solicitation •Is not likely to be offensive to other members of the group (e.g., does not express aggression toward other members, use offensive language, etc.) •Does not contain blatantly off-topic (non-LDN) information or requests •Does not contain information meant for one person •Does not contain large attachments or inclusion of multiple prior messages ** Violation of any of the above may result in being banned from the group without warning. ** > > > > > > ITA, This group is supposed to ONLY be about LDN, anything Extra should > > be taken elsewhere when it comes up. > > > > > > People disagree about everything else, the ping ponging should be taken > > elsewhere too. > > > > > > Good point > > > [low dose naltrexone] Re: Science-Based Medicine Low Dose > > Naltrexone - Bogus or Cutting E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everybody-- > > > > > > I'm taking LDN. I am a scientist. Do you want to reduce the chances of > > LDN becoming an accepted therapy? Keep talking about ALA, colloidal silver, > > mistletoe, Prokarin, and anything that falls under the heading of > > alternative medicine. > > > > > > The track record of alternative medicine has been so poor that most > > scientists aren't going to bother wasting their time with it. You need to be > > throwing around the terms " placebo controlled double blind longitudinal > > study, " not " crystal power " or " I know it works because someone on an > > internet forum said so. " > > > > > > The best thing you can do is tell people about methods of preparation, or > > your symptoms and side-effects. Anything that actually works is going to > > have side-effects; although keep in mind that people have withdrawn from > > taking a placebo because of side-effects. Even this isn't going to convince > > a scientist; not when someone is complaining about bloody stools and then > > revealing that they are taking iron supplements, which are notoriously hard > > on the GI tract. > > > > > > LDN is worth further study. It does seem to do something measurable, and > > it's not immediately dangerous. For patients who don't have any other > > options and are undergoing a slow death anyway, it's worth the gamble. For > > patients whose disease can be controlled with drugs whose mechanisms, > > efficacy, and risk are well-understood, LDN is a poor choice. > > > > > > Don't try to argue that it's safe, or that naltrexone is safe, so LDN is > > safe. Naltrexone is safe in the sense that when used for addiction or > > alcoholism, it's less likely to cause harm than continued alcoholism is. > > Nobody knows what the risks of long-term endogenous opioid modulation of the > > immune system is. > > > > > > -RK > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 Which one is the "official" or "doctors" LDN website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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