Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 So if you take your LDN before you go to sleep and while walking to your bedroom, you trip and fall and break your leg and get rushed to the hospital, you are basically screwed? > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > >Thanks for any responses > >Sandy > > > > The conversation has gotten confusing. > > The conversation was about whether or not it is possible to take opiate > pain relievers while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they start > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as www.ldninfo.org. We > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It is > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, which led to his > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. LDN blocks opiate receptors, which > meant his body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as he > described. > > Another aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't get > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have a procedure that will > require opiates for pain control following, the advice is to stop taking > the LDN for a week prior. The question of what happens if people have a > medical emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one that > remains unanswered. > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > will almost certainly help your pain. > > hope this helps. > > -- > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > --A.J. Muste > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 >So if you take your LDN before you go to sleep and while walking to your >bedroom, you trip and fall and break your leg and get rushed to the >hospital, you are basically screwed? Although this is something difficult to face, so far the answer to your question appears to be, yup. I mean you can take non-opiate painkillers, but when I broke my leg I needed vicodin. So yeah, I would say that's the risk of LDN. I would love for someone to come up with a different answer, but I haven't seen it yet. And I think people should be aware of this reality. Fortunately, if you're on LDN and take opiates, all that happens is you don't experience pain relief. It's only if you're on a 24/7 schedule of opiates and take LDN that you have a reaction, a sudden withdrawal reaction. Also, again within a couple of days the LDN will be out of one's system and opiates would take hold. And for some people, their metabolisms will clear the LDN faster. I would venture to say some people would be able to take opiates on the same day, depending on their metabolism. After all, theory is that the blockade is temporary. And, I think this argues for taking the smallest dose that is functional for a person. Like, I'm not sure if I got a lot, if any, more improvement with the 4.5mg over the 3.0mg. I might go back to 3.0mg and see. Caveat: I'm not recommending this course to anyone else. -- At 09:22 AM 5/16/2010, you wrote: >So if you take your LDN before you go to sleep and while walking to your >bedroom, you trip and fall and break your leg and get rushed to the >hospital, you are basically screwed? > > > > > > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the > > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been > > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > > >Thanks for any responses > > >Sandy > > > > > > > > The conversation has gotten confusing. > > > > The conversation was about whether or not it is possible to take opiate > > pain relievers while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they start > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as www.ldninfo.org. We > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It is > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, which led to his > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. LDN blocks opiate receptors, > which > > meant his body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as he > > described. > > > > Another aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't get > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have a procedure that will > > require opiates for pain control following, the advice is to stop taking > > the LDN for a week prior. The question of what happens if people have a > > medical emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > that > > remains unanswered. > > > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it > > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > > will almost certainly help your pain. > > > > hope this helps. > > > > -- ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I agree about taking the lowest possible dose. I take 3 mg. What concerns me most are the reports that people have had trouble with anesthesia. So therefore, in my example, if you break your leg in the middle of the night, and it's a compound fracture and you are rushed to the hospital and given anesthesia while they re-set the bone, well, that would could be a problem. Or God forbid, something more serious like an emergency appendectomy at 3 a.m. > > > > > > > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the > > > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been > > > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > > > >Thanks for any responses > > > >Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > The conversation has gotten confusing. > > > > > > The conversation was about whether or not it is possible to take opiate > > > pain relievers while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a > > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they start > > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as www.ldninfo.org. We > > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER > > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It is > > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, which led to his > > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > which > > > meant his body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a > > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as he > > > described. > > > > > > Another aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN > > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't get > > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have a procedure that will > > > require opiates for pain control following, the advice is to stop taking > > > the LDN for a week prior. The question of what happens if people have a > > > medical emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > that > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and > > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body > > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it > > > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > > > will almost certainly help your pain. > > > > > > hope this helps. > > > > > > -- > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > --A.J. Muste > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 what if you get hit by a train in the middle of the night while not yielding to the crossing gate? [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain control I agree about taking the lowest possible dose. I take 3 mg.What concerns me most are the reports that people have had trouble with anesthesia. So therefore, in my example, if you break your leg in the middle of the night, and it's a compound fracture and you are rushed to the hospital and given anesthesia while they re-set the bone, well, that would could be a problem. Or God forbid, something more serious like an emergency appendectomy at 3 a.m.> > >> > >> > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the> > > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been> > > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain.> > > >Thanks for any responses> > > >Sandy> > >> > >> > >> > > The conversation has gotten confusing.> > >> > > The conversation was about whether or not it is possible to take opiate> > > pain relievers while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a> > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they start> > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as www.ldninfo.org. We> > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER> > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It is> > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, which led to his> > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > which> > > meant his body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a> > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as he> > > described.> > >> > > Another aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN> > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't get> > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have a procedure that will> > > require opiates for pain control following, the advice is to stop taking> > > the LDN for a week prior. The question of what happens if people have a> > > medical emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > that> > > remains unanswered.> > >> > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject> > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and> > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body> > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it> > > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it> > > will almost certainly help your pain.> > >> > > hope this helps.> > >> > > --> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J. Muste>------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I think the question of anesthesia not working is one that needs to be clarified. Does it or does if not work. Perhaps someone who knows Skip, or one of the doctors who prescribe it for many patients can ask for clarification for all of us, please. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM, marlaprendergast <kws11@...> wrote:  I agree about taking the lowest possible dose. I take 3 mg. What concerns me most are the reports that people have had trouble with anesthesia. So therefore, in my example, if you break your leg in the middle of the night, and it's a compound fracture and you are rushed to the hospital and given anesthesia while they re-set the bone, well, that would could be a problem. Or God forbid, something more serious like an emergency appendectomy at 3 a.m. > > > > > > > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the > > > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been > > > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > > > >Thanks for any responses > > > >Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > The conversation has gotten confusing. > > > > > > The conversation was about whether or not it is possible to take opiate > > > pain relievers while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a > > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they start > > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as www.ldninfo.org. We > > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER > > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It is > > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, which led to his > > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > which > > > meant his body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a > > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as he > > > described. > > > > > > Another aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN > > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't get > > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have a procedure that will > > > require opiates for pain control following, the advice is to stop taking > > > the LDN for a week prior. The question of what happens if people have a > > > medical emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > that > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and > > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body > > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it > > > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > > > will almost certainly help your pain. > > > > > > hope this helps. > > > > > > -- > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > --A.J. Muste > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I think some people have gotten the impression that anesthesia will not work and that you will be conscious through the whole procedure, which is a scary thought, so some clarification is warranted. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:27 PM, LarryGC <larrygc@...> wrote:  what if you get hit by a train in the middle of the night while not yielding to the crossing gate?   [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain control I agree about taking the lowest possible dose. I take 3 mg.What concerns me most are the reports that people have had trouble with anesthesia. So therefore, in my example, if you break your leg in the middle of the night, and it's a compound fracture and you are rushed to the hospital and given anesthesia while they re-set the bone, well, that would could be a problem. Or God forbid, something more serious like an emergency appendectomy at 3 a.m.> > >> > >> > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the> > > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been> > > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain.> > > >Thanks for any responses> > > >Sandy> > >> > >> > >> > > The conversation has gotten confusing.> > >> > > The conversation was about whether or not it is possible to take opiate> > > pain relievers while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a> > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they start> > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as www.ldninfo.org. We> > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER> > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It is> > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, which led to his> > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > which> > > meant his body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a> > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as he> > > described.> > >> > > Another aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN> > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't get> > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have a procedure that will> > > require opiates for pain control following, the advice is to stop taking> > > the LDN for a week prior. The question of what happens if people have a> > > medical emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > that> > > remains unanswered.> > >> > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject> > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and> > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body> > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it> > > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it> > > will almost certainly help your pain.> > >> > > hope this helps.> > >> > > --> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~>              --A.J. Muste>------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 It's a dangerous world out there... > > > > > > > > > > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the > > > > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been > > > > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > > > > >Thanks for any responses > > > > >Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conversation has gotten confusing. > > > > > > > > The conversation was about whether or not it is possible to take opiate > > > > pain relievers while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a > > > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they start > > > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as www.ldninfo.org. We > > > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER > > > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It is > > > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, which led to his > > > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > > which > > > > meant his body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a > > > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as he > > > > described. > > > > > > > > Another aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN > > > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't get > > > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have a procedure that will > > > > require opiates for pain control following, the advice is to stop taking > > > > the LDN for a week prior. The question of what happens if people have a > > > > medical emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > > that > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > > > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and > > > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body > > > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it > > > > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > > > > will almost certainly help your pain. > > > > > > > > hope this helps. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > --A.J. Muste > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 That puts in perspective! Viva LDN!JackieFrom: LarryGC <larrygc@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain controllow dose naltrexone , "marlaprendergast" <kws11@...>Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 12:27 PM what if you get hit by a train in the middle of the night while not yielding to the crossing gate? [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain control I agree about taking the lowest possible dose. I take 3 mg.What concerns me most are the reports that people have had trouble with anesthesia. So therefore, in my example, if you break your leg in the middle of the night, and it's a compound fracture and you are rushed to the hospital and given anesthesia while they re-set the bone, well, that would could be a problem. Or God forbid, something more serious like an emergency appendectomy at 3 a.m.> > >> > >> > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the> > > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been> > > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain.> > > >Thanks for any responses> > > >Sandy> > >> > >> > >> > > The conversation has gotten confusing.> > >> > > The conversation was about whether or not it is possible to take opiate> > > pain relievers while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a> > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they start> > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as www.ldninfo.org. We> > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER> > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It is> > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, which led to his> > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > which> > > meant his body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a> > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as he> > > described.> > >> > > Another aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN> > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't get> > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have a procedure that will> > > require opiates for pain control following, the advice is to stop taking> > > the LDN for a week prior. The question of what happens if people have a> > > medical emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > that> > > remains unanswered.> > >> > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject> > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and> > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body> > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it> > > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it> > > will almost certainly help your pain.> > >> > > hope this helps.> > >> > > --> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J. Muste>------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Well, not really. My cousin had an emergency appendectomy at 3 a.m. Thank goodness, she was not on LDN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I > was under the > > > > >impression that it would help with pain > control. Am I wrong? I've been > > > > >reseraching LDN to help > with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > > > > >Thanks > for any responses > > > > >Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conversation has gotten > confusing. > > > > > > > > The conversation was about > whether or not it is possible to take opiate > > > > pain relievers > while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a > > > > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they > start > > > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as > www.ldninfo.org. We > > > > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER > > > > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It > is > > > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, > which led to his > > > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. > LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > > which > > > > meant his > body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a > > > > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as > he > > > > described. > > > > > > > > Another > aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN > > > > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't > get > > > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have > a procedure that will > > > > require opiates for pain control > following, the advice is to stop taking > > > > the LDN for a week > prior. The question of what happens if people have a > > > > medical > emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > > > that > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > > > > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia > and > > > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily > overwhelming body > > > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the > fibro when I started LDN and it > > > > definitely helped me. If > pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > > > > will > almost certainly help your pain. > > > > > > > > hope this > helps. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way > ~~~~ > >              > --A.J. > Muste > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > Groups Links > > > Traditional > >    > ( ID required) > > >    low dose naltrexone-fullfeatured > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 LDN would not have interfered with anesthesia so at least she would not have been conscious. But I don't see the point of worrying about accidents if LDN is working for you.If LDN doesn't do much for you and the risk/benefit ratio is not to your liking you can always drop LDN.So that is where the perspective is. We all make trade offs. Nothing in life comes without them. A few hours of pain is well worth a few years of extended life.JackieFrom: marlaprendergast <kws11@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain controlTo: low dose naltrexone Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 12:33 PMWell, not really. My cousin had an emergency appendectomy at 3 a.m. Thank goodness, she was not on LDN.> > > >> > > > >> > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I > was under the> > > > >impression that it would help with pain > control. Am I wrong? I've been> > > > >reseraching LDN to help > with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain.> > > > >Thanks > for any responses> > > > >Sandy> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > The conversation has gotten > confusing.> > > >> > > > The conversation was about > whether or not it is possible to take opiate> > > > pain relievers > while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a> > > > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they > start> > > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as > www.ldninfo.org. We> > > > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER> > > > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It > is> > > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, > which led to his> > > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. > LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > > which> > > > meant his > body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a> > > > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as > he> > > > described.> > > >> > > > Another > aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN> > > > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't > get> > > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have > a procedure that will> > > > require opiates for pain control > following, the advice is to stop taking> > > > the LDN for a week > prior. The question of what happens if people have a> > > > medical > emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > > > that> > > > remains unanswered.> > > >> > > > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject> > > > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia > and> > > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily > overwhelming body> > > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the > fibro when I started LDN and it> > > > definitely helped me. If > pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it> > > > will > almost certainly help your pain.> > > >> > > > hope this > helps.> > > >> > > > --> > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way > ~~~~> > > --A.J. > Muste> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > > Groups Links> > > Traditional> > > ( ID required)> > > low dose naltrexone-fullfeatured >------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Well LarryGC I think whether you took your LDN or not will be the last thing on your mind If you were to be in an accident and were knocked out, the medics will not give you any opiate pain meds as there will be no need for them www.ldndatabase.com www.alldayvitamins.com what if you get hit by a train in the middle of the night while not yielding to the crossing gate? ----- Original Message ----- From: marlaprendergast low dose naltrexone Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 13:21 PM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain control I agree about taking the lowest possible dose. I take 3 mg. What concerns me most are the reports that people have had trouble with anesthesia. So therefore, in my example, if you break your leg in the middle of the night, and it's a compound fracture and you are rushed to the hospital and given anesthesia while they re-set the bone, well, that would could be a problem. Or God forbid, something more serious like an emergency appendectomy at 3 a.m. > > > > > > > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the > > > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been > > > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > > > >Thanks for any responses > > > >Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > The conversation has gotten confusing. > > > > > > The conversation was about whether or not it is possible to take opiate > > > pain relievers while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a > > > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they start > > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as www.ldninfo.org. We > > > recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER > > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It is > > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, which led to his > > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > which > > > meant his body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a > > > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as he > > > described. > > > > > > Another aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN > > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't get > > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have a procedure that will > > > require opiates for pain control following, the advice is to stop taking > > > the LDN for a week prior. The question of what happens if people have a > > > medical emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > that > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and > > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body > > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it > > > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > > > will almost certainly help your pain. > > > > > > hope this helps. > > > > > > -- > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > --A.J. Muste > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I believe someone just posted recently that it DID interfere with anesthesia and they could feel the entire procedure. I'm not saying that's enough to give up LDN, but people should be aware of the risks. > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I > >   was under the > > > > > >impression that it would help with pain > >   control. Am I wrong? I've been > > > > > >reseraching LDN to help > >   with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > > > > > >Thanks > >   for any responses > > > > > >Sandy > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > The conversation has gotten > >   confusing. > > > > > > > > > > The conversation was about > >   whether or not it is possible to take opiate > > > > > pain relievers > >   while taking LDN (answer: NO). People who have been on a > > > > > >   > schedule of opiates for pain must get off the pain meds before they > >   start > > > > > LDN. This is very clear in the info websites such as > >   www.ldninfo.org. We > > > > > > >   recently had someone describe his horrible experience going to the ER > > > > >   > > because he was still taking opiates long-term 24/7 and took LDN. It > >   is > > > > > believed that he had a sudden withdrawal from pain meds, > >   which led to his > > > > > symptoms that match withdrawal symptoms. > >   LDN blocks opiate receptors, > > > > which > > > > > meant his > >   body could not absorb the pain med, which had the effect of a > > > > > >   > sudden cold-turkey withdrawal, which causes severe symptoms such as > >   he > > > > > described. > > > > > > > > > > Another > >   aspect of LDN and opiates is that if you need pain relief, the LDN > > > > >   > > may block your ability to utilize the opiate pain med and you won't > >   get > > > > > pain relief. So if you know you are going to have > >   a procedure that will > > > > > require opiates for pain control > >   following, the advice is to stop taking > > > > > the LDN for a week > >   prior. The question of what happens if people have a > > > > > medical > >   emergency and therefore have not ceased their LDN prior is one > > > > > >   that > > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > >   The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > > > > > >   > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia > >   and > > > > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily > >   overwhelming body > > > > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the > >   fibro when I started LDN and it > > > > > definitely helped me. If > >   pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > > > > > will > >   almost certainly help your pain. > > > > > > > > > > hope this > >   helps. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >   > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way > >   ~~~~ > > >              > >   --A.J. > >   Muste > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > >   Groups Links > > > > > >   Traditional > > > >    > >   ( ID required) > > > >   > >    low dose naltrexone-fullfeatured > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 There are a lot of questions this morning regarding anesthesia, especially those on LDN 4.5mg. Certainly there must be some non opioid anesthetics that can be used. Does anyone know what these might be? Thanks Malcolm B. mpbo4@... __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5118 (20100516) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Marla,Was that Celia you are mentioning? If so her experience was with Versed, a sedative. She had stopped her LDN the day before in case an opiate was to be used. But Versed is not an opiate. And LDN and Versed do not share any pharmacokinetics in common. It's possible Celia was not given a high enough dose of the sedative.Versed is a very short-acting sedative and not an anesthetic at all. It is certainly not likely to be used without anesthetic(s) in the example you gave of an invasive surgery.I still contend there is little point in worrying about things like this. You cannot cover yourself against every possible event unless you are willing to seclude yourself away from EVERYTHING like . Take reasonable precautions - that's all you can do.And enjoy life.JackieFrom: marlaprendergast <kws11@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain controllow dose naltrexone Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 12:52 PMI believe someone just posted recently that it DID interfere with anesthesia and they could feel the entire procedure. I'm not saying that's enough to give up LDN, but people should be aware of the risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 - Malcolm, NSAID'S for a start, and many more like gapopentin etc, depending on the type and cause of pain. Let me make i clear, I did not have full anesthesia for my bronchoscopy , but I may have had an opiod type drug in with the mix because of a lung condition. I hardly had the full whack that major surgery would bring......Please don't worry about these things, there is always a way........ Celia There are a lot of questions this morning regarding anesthesia, especially those on LDN 4.5mg. Certainly there must be some non opioid anesthetics that can be used. Does anyone know what these might be? Thanks Malcolm B. mpbo4sbcglobal (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Celia,It occurred to me that when we discuss LDN with our anesthesiologists we should say we are on Naltrexone. I would not be surprised if they have not heard of LDN and wouldn't know that it is NTX. Thus they may tell us there is no interaction between the drugs they will give us and the LDN.JackieFrom: Celia <celia@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain controllow dose naltrexone Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 1:33 PM - Malcolm, NSAID'S for a start, and many more like gapopentin etc, depending on the type and cause of pain. Let me make i clear, I did not have full anesthesia for my bronchoscopy , but I may have had an opiod type drug in with the mix because of a lung condition. I hardly had the full whack that major surgery would bring......Please don't worry about these things, there is always a way........ Celia There are a lot of questions this morning regarding anesthesia, especially those on LDN 4.5mg. Certainly there must be some non opioid anesthetics that can be used. Does anyone know what these might be? Thanks Malcolm B. mpbo4sbcglobal (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 When medical personnel ask what I take I say LOW DOSE NALTREXONE. 99% of the time, they have never heard of it. Usually it is a nurse that is asking these questions, and she's writing down something like " MALTRESCONE " or something. The medical community is woefully uninformed and many of them are completely inept. You must be vigilant in explaining exactly what you are taking. > > From: Celia <celia@...> > Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain control > low dose naltrexone > Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 1:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > - > > Malcolm, NSAID'S for a start, and many > more like gapopentin etc, depending on the type and cause of pain.  > Let me make i clear, I did not have full anesthesia for my bronchoscopy , but > I may have had an opiod type drug in with the mix because of a lung > condition.  I hardly had the full whack that major surgery would > bring......Please don't worry about these things, there is always a > way........ > Celia >  > > > > There are a lot of questions this morning regarding > anesthesia, especially those on LDN 4.5mg. Certainly there must be some >  non opioid anesthetics that can be used. Does anyone know what > these might be? Thanks Malcolm B. mpbo4sbcglobal (DOT) net >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 > So if you take your LDN before you go to sleep and while walking to your bedroom, you trip and fall and break your leg and get rushed to the hospital, you are basically screwed? There are lots of pain relievers other than narcotics. You might have to use something else for a day or so. To me, this is NEVER a reason to hesitate to try LDN. The good that it has done me and my family means that we are a LOT less likely to fall and break a leg, if nothing else :-) So, you are not screwed, but you should tell your attending physician that you want something other than a narcotic to start with. Francie http://LDN-for-MS.com My Story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Why not wear a med-alert bracelet? Wouldn't that be prudent, for like if your unconcious? Jon Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2010, at 4:53 PM, " FrancieS " <francie@...> wrote: So if you take your LDN before you go to sleep and while walking to your bedroom, you trip and fall and break your leg and get rushed to the hospital, you are basically screwed? There are lots of pain relievers other than narcotics. You might have to use something else for a day or so. To me, this is NEVER a reason to hesitate to try LDN. The good that it has done me and my family means that we are a LOT less likely to fall and break a leg, if nothing else :-) So, you are not screwed, but you should tell your attending physician that you want something other than a narcotic to start with. Francie http://LDN-for-MS.com My Story ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Dr Skip has said very clearly that local or general anesthetics are NOT affected by LDN. What would be affected is an opioid pain reliever that might be used in conjunction with anesthesia or as a followup in healing. People can choose to be confused about this if they want to, but the answers are quite clear. -- >Was that Celia you are mentioning? If so her experience was with Versed, >a sedative. She had stopped her LDN the day before in case an opiate was >to be used. But Versed is not an opiate. And LDN and Versed do not share >any pharmacokinetics in common. It's possible Celia was not given a high >enough dose of the sedative. > >Versed is a very short-acting sedative and not an anesthetic at all. It >is certainly not likely to be used without anesthetic(s) in the example >you gave of an invasive surgery. > >I still contend there is little point in worrying about things like >this. You cannot cover yourself against every possible event unless you >are willing to seclude yourself away from EVERYTHING like >. Take reasonable precautions - that's all you can do. >And enjoy life. > >Jackie > > > >From: marlaprendergast <kws11@...> >Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and pain control >low dose naltrexone >Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 12:52 PM > >I believe someone just posted recently that it DID interfere with >anesthesia and they could feel the entire procedure. I'm not saying that's >enough to give up LDN, but people should be aware of the risks. > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2877 - Release Date: 05/16/10 >01:26:00 ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 I have seen statements in a couple of places that recommends carrying some kind of ALERT info in your wallet or among medical info that states you are on LDN, which EMT's or Emerg Personnel would look for. If we find out what it is we should do abut this, we could include that info also. We do that with antibiotics we are allergic to, or are diabetic or have adrenal insufficiency in case of an adrenal crisis, or on heparin or whatever. An emergency recommendation for LDN could allay some of the fears some may have. I think this is a valid question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Thank you , this is exactly the question I was looking for the answer to. I'm new here and I have been lurking for a while, trying to decide if LDN is something that might help me. The Lord knows, nothing else has. And I've been through A LOT. Sandy > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > >Thanks for any responses > >Sandy > > > > The conversation has gotten confusing. > > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > will almost certainly help your pain. > > hope this helps. > > -- > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > --A.J. Muste > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I try and practice living out of hope and love rather than fear. I would rather have less pain day to day and energy than worry about being in an ER. You can put your information in your medical file. Let your friends know too. My family knows and so do friends. I can't prevent problems, I also don't want to live in them either, at least all the time. Hope you can learn to live in hope and love! Glowing, grace~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 Sandy, there's nothing lost in trying it and finding out. -- At 02:32 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: >Thank you , this is exactly the question I was looking for the >answer to. I'm new here and I have been lurking for a while, trying to >decide if LDN is something that might help me. The Lord knows, nothing >else has. And I've been through A LOT. >Sandy > > > > > > > > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the > > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been > > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. > > >Thanks for any responses > > >Sandy > > > > > > > > The conversation has gotten confusing. > > > > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject > > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and > > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body > > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it > > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it > > will almost certainly help your pain. > > > > hope this helps. > > > > -- ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 I might throw something in here as well. As I was considering LDN I had to make a real choice. Prior to going on LDN I was taking vicodin and percocet daily - for pain management. The docs were switching me to oxycotin with percocet for break through pain. Prior to all of that I was sucking down iburprofen like they were tic tacs. That led to ulcers, bile pooling in my stomach issues and UC symptom issues. Every morning felt like a dice roll as related to my UC symptoms. So .... today do I get to leave the house before 12 or 1? FYI - the pain is related to back issues from a car accident and not my UC. Anyway, in considering LDN I had to really look at the drugs I was taking. Take stock of how I felt about the drugs and whether or not they were actually helping. How I felt in general. Etc. At the end of the day I decided I had nothing to lose by going completely off the pain meds and trying LDN. After all it is not like the pain meds were working that great anyway, and they were for sure interfering with my ability to work. I am also taking DLPA because I can find it easily locally without ordering the D form through iherb. So I am not a " clean " experiment. I went off all pain meds. Added DLPA and then added LDN. So is my improvement the LDN or the DLPA or both with regard to pain? I don't know and am not going to mess with things too much right now. What I can tell you. I have significantly less pain now than I did before. I am not pain free by any means, but what is still here it is a very tolerable pain. I have only needed the TENS unit for break through major pain 2 days out of the last 6 weeks. I am functioning soooo much better I am amazed some days. I am also getting significantly fewer migraines. And I am having the best allergy year I can remember despite those around me complaining it is one of the worst allergy years they can remember. I didn't look at LDN with a lot of hopes it would help with the pain related to my back. I was really looking at the UC symptoms which made getting to work in the mornings challenging. I have been pleased and surprised it has not only helped with the UC symptoms but also with pain, mood, concentration, allergies, etc. Each person is unique but I'd say it is worth a try if what you're doing right now is not working or otherwise distresses you. Jaxi On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote: > > Sandy, there's nothing lost in trying it and finding out. -- > > > At 02:32 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: > > >>Thank you , this is exactly the question I was looking for the >>answer to. I'm new here and I have been lurking for a while, trying to >>decide if LDN is something that might help me. The Lord knows, nothing >>else has. And I've been through A LOT. >>Sandy >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >OK, so LDNwill have no impact on relieving pain? I was under the >> > >impression that it would help with pain control. Am I wrong? I've been >> > >reseraching LDN to help with my Endometriosis and Chronic Pelvic Pain. >> > >Thanks for any responses >> > >Sandy >> > >> > >> > >> > The conversation has gotten confusing. >> > >> > > The question of whether LDN relieves pain is a different subject >> > altogether. It definitely helps people with pain, I have fibromyalgia and >> > it significantly and very quickly relieved the daily overwhelming body >> > aches. I was having an exacerbation of the fibro when I started LDN and it >> > definitely helped me. If pain is part of your disease, if LDN helps you it >> > will almost certainly help your pain. >> > >> > hope this helps. >> > >> > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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