Re: High Insulin and Sugar levels

[Guest guest]

Dr. Shoemaker has some theories about this. According to him, inflammation

stimulates the development of tumor neucrosis factor alpha. (TNF-alpha)

TNF-alpha binds with insulin receptor sites, blocking them, forcing the body

to have to produce even more insulin to overcome the resistance. In other

words, TNF-alpha contributes to insulin resistance. Insulin resistance

contributes to elevated blood sugar levels, and weight gain. The TNF-alpha

also contributes to the achy fatigued feeling when you herx, or just the

general sick feeling when you have an infection. Since Lyme can stimulate

inflammation, it is undoubtedly producing TNF-alpha. So just making diet

changes and taking medications to lower blood sugar levels may not be enough

for many people with Lyme. You also have to reduce TNF-alpha levels. In some

cases, reducing TNF-alpha alone may be enough to lower blood sugar levels.

But most also need to use a low carbohydrate or low glycemic index diet to

help lower insulin resistance. Dr. Shoemaker uses a no-amylose diet to help

lower insulin resistance. He also uses Actos, which is a blood sugar

lowering medication, but also lowers TNF-alpha levels, which gives it a

double advantage. Undoubtedly, killing off pathogens, including Lyme, would

help lower TNF-alpha.

My understanding is that there are several other different things that can

help lower TNF-alpha levels. FIR sauna's help you sweat out toxins, help

kill off pathogens by increased body temperatures, (Lyme happens to be heat

sensitive) help stimulate the metabolism so hormonal functions improve and

excess weight is easier to loose, and also help the body produce heat shock

proteins. Heat shock proteins neutralize TNF-alpha.

On one of my other e-mail lists, there's a woman who has in the past posted

a number of e-mails about using heat shock proteins to control Type 2

diabetis.

lindaj@...

[Guest guest]

Do you know what temperature lyme needs to be affected? (ie in FIR sauna's

people do not seem to get the herx reaction, but at normal sauna temps I

definitely get the herx reaction.)

Thanks,

Doris

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From: FIR sauna's help you sweat out toxins, help

kill off pathogens by increased body temperatures, (Lyme happens to be heat

sensitive)

[Guest guest]

I have the blood sugar problem which actually keyed me into the

lymes. My whole family developed adult onset diabetes so

initially i wasn't focused on lyme but the sys after eating ice

cream were to overblown for diabetes because my fasting blood

sugar was only around 130 and my blood hemoglobin blood

sugar was high normal. I was taking all sorts of supps for

diabetes. They helped with the initial symptoms. As a byproduct I

had a severe painful althletes foot which would flair up

immediately after eating sugar. What helped the most was to

stop sugar and gluten rich foods COMPLETELY. I agree with

both previous posts and with a bias to more of the TNF alpha

blocking the cells. My way to deal with it was to do the following:

1. STOP all sugar intake and gluten foods, wheat etc: immediate

bounce

2. Take herbs for the diabetes

3. Take chromium and vanadium ENVIA or something else

4. Detox my body: Ultrabalance plus from metagenics helped

somewhat. I am sure others have similiar but better approaches

for this.

5. Buffered vit c for the sugar cravings in the form of Crave X from

Allergy Research.

I would try and understand the mechanisms of the herbs

because you don't want to use herbs that cause more insulin to

be secreted as this will fatigue the pancreas eventually. My focus

was on inflammation and cellullar resistance.

I immediately lost about 10 pounds within a few weeks.

I can know handle a little ice cream without falling a sleep in 5

minutes. But it really is not a good idea. I still cannot handle any

gluten grain type breads or sticky rice. I can eat potatoes which is

dicey cause they have a high glycemic # and are a simple carbo.

The ice cream probably work a little better in my system because

the fat and protein slows the digeston a bit.

I agree that the western med approach unless it is geared to cell

resistance or the liver glucose/glycogen pathway is a problem.

Hope that helps

Rick Bierman LAc

> Do you know what temperature lyme needs to be affected? (ie

in FIR sauna's people do not seem to get the herx reaction, but

at normal sauna temps I definitely get the herx reaction.)

> Thanks,

> Doris

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: FIR sauna's help you sweat out toxins,

help

> kill off pathogens by increased body temperatures, (Lyme

happens to be heat

> sensitive)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have the blood sugar problem which actually keyed me into the

lymes. My whole family developed adult onset diabetes so

initially i wasn't focused on lyme but the sys after eating ice

cream were to overblown for diabetes because my fasting blood

sugar was only around 130 and my blood hemoglobin blood

sugar was high normal. I was taking all sorts of supps for

diabetes. They helped with the initial symptoms. As a byproduct I

had a severe painful althletes foot which would flair up

immediately after eating sugar. What helped the most was to

stop sugar and gluten rich foods COMPLETELY. I agree with

both previous posts and with a bias to more of the TNF alpha

blocking the cells. My way to deal with it was to do the following:

1. STOP all sugar intake and gluten foods, wheat etc: immediate

bounce

2. Take herbs for the diabetes

3. Take chromium and vanadium ENVIA or something else

4. Detox my body: Ultrabalance plus from metagenics helped

somewhat. I am sure others have similiar but better approaches

for this.

5. Buffered vit c for the sugar cravings in the form of Crave X from

Allergy Research.

I would try and understand the mechanisms of the herbs

because you don't want to use herbs that cause more insulin to

be secreted as this will fatigue the pancreas eventually. My focus

was on inflammation and cellullar resistance.

I immediately lost about 10 pounds within a few weeks.

I can know handle a little ice cream without falling a sleep in 5

minutes. But it really is not a good idea. I still cannot handle any

gluten grain type breads or sticky rice. I can eat potatoes which is

dicey cause they have a high glycemic # and are a simple carbo.

The ice cream probably work a little better in my system because

the fat and protein slows the digeston a bit.

I agree that the western med approach unless it is geared to cell

resistance or the liver glucose/glycogen pathway is a problem.

Hope that helps

Rick Bierman LAc

> Do you know what temperature lyme needs to be affected? (ie

in FIR sauna's people do not seem to get the herx reaction, but

at normal sauna temps I definitely get the herx reaction.)

> Thanks,

> Doris

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: FIR sauna's help you sweat out toxins,

help

> kill off pathogens by increased body temperatures, (Lyme

happens to be heat

> sensitive)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I live in constant fear that my partner will get Lyme. He has type

one diabetes and any bacterial infection can (and usually does)

cause his sugars to go through the roof and not come down with

insulin. Or they come down eventually after injection on top of

injection, but then they plummet, and then you gotta feed him juice

and candy and then they go shooting back up again. Not fun, in fact

a total nightmare if Lyme were involved. I want to pack him up and

send him to Arizona or some island off the cost of Maine where there

are no deer so he won't get sick. That man gets the MOST thorough

tick check every night, even when I feel awful.

That said, I have also noticed, what are for me, high blood sugars

since getting Lyme. My sweetie has sometimes said " oh well maybe

your sugar's low...you wanna check? " when I'm run down and lying on

the couch like a sack of potatoes. There have been one or two

occasions when I have induldged this fantasy of his (it makes him

feel better to think it's my sugar 'cause that is controllable).

I've always been one of those women with low blood sugar, ~ 80 when

I've had no food recently, and since Lyme it's been over 130 both

times I checked. That doesn't sound too high, but I never went over

100 before.

BTW....I DO CHANGE THE NEEDLE ON THE ACCUCHECK " STABBER " AFTER I

CHECK because I see no definitive proof that I can't transmit Lyme

to my partner by sharing blood like that.

So I can also vouch for the Lyme/blood sugar connection in non-

diabetic individuals. I think Kim got some great suggestions on

lowing the blood sugar and returning your body's insulin

sensitivity. I would also recommend eating bluberries or taking

bilberry suplements as they really do lower insulin sensitivity. My

partner has to reduce his daily insulin intake when he's on a

blueberry rich diet in the summer. I also recommend when your sugar

is really high that you take a good warm bath. It can lower your

blood sugar. These are two tricks my sweetie taught me. He's very

careful with his diabetes and has a good book, I can get the name if

you'd like, on managing blood sugar with lifestyle.

I wish you the best of luck and add my caution about glucophage or

other sugar lowering meds as I worry that the outcome will be that

bouncing my partner goes through when he's sick. Please do what you

can lifestyle and diet wise too.

-

[Guest guest]

hi

the broken record continues:

i have lyme flare EVERY time i eat white sugar. have not researched

the alternatives

and their effect.

in my case my neck gets like a vise the next day.

i don't think this is an " auto-immune " reaction like chronic lymies SUPPOSEDLY

have. until i hear better i am going to assume it's the inhibition of

macrophage activity

which is supposedly well documented after sugar ingestion.

for macrophage boost, try immunocal or immunopro rx.

i am doing immunopro rx, but i can't say if it is working or not yet.

research studies claim it works.

--

best

william meyer

[Guest guest]

Could it be a yeast flare? Rita

[ ] Re: High Insulin and Sugar levels

hi

the broken record continues:

i have lyme flare EVERY time i eat white sugar. have not researched

the alternatives

and their effect.

in my case my neck gets like a vise the next day.

i don't think this is an " auto-immune " reaction like chronic lymies SUPPOSEDLY

have. until i hear better i am going to assume it's the inhibition of

macrophage activity

which is supposedly well documented after sugar ingestion.

for macrophage boost, try immunocal or immunopro rx.

i am doing immunopro rx, but i can't say if it is working or not yet.

research studies claim it works.

--

best

william meyer

[Guest guest]

naaah

not a yeast flare. i had candida when i was younger. caused by celiac disease.

i was cured by avoiding gluten, adding probiotics, drinking wheat grass juice

and fresh aloe vera leaf gel. i mean from the plant.

anything like a standard american diet will put you at risk for candida.

bad food combinations , processed fake food, trying to digest meat

and starch at

the same time, will put you on a risk path.

>Could it be a yeast flare? Rita

> [ ] Re: High Insulin and Sugar levels

>

>

> hi

> the broken record continues:

> i have lyme flare EVERY time i eat white sugar. have not researched

> the alternatives

> and their effect.

> in my case my neck gets like a vise the next day.

> i don't think this is an " auto-immune " reaction like chronic

>lymies SUPPOSEDLY

> have. until i hear better i am going to assume it's the inhibition of

> macrophage activity

> which is supposedly well documented after sugar ingestion.

> for macrophage boost, try immunocal or immunopro rx.

> i am doing immunopro rx, but i can't say if it is working or not yet.

> research studies claim it works.

> --

> best

> william meyer

>

>