Re:OT: setting up to make CSilver

[Guest guest]

Do you really know what Type silver you are making? Protein, nitric

acid, ionic or collodial? What is the particle size Bolders, down to 65

nanometer? Do you have the 1 million dollar test equip to make sure. I

worked in research labs all my life. We made silver and started with

deionized water and tripple distilled in glass flasks. Do you do that?

Are you a chemist to know all this or just following someone who is not a

chemist's directionas. That's why I do not make my own anas I don't have

the 325 volt constant current constant voltage supply Do you have even

that equipment? Here is something you might like to read when making your

silver. This is from a lab that the owner and I worked at RCA labs in the

60'. Now you can make an educated decision. if you believe a non chemist

over this pHd in chemistry that tests all mfg's silver to see what they

are. You might want to contact CLS labs to test your silver to asee what

you are really making.

Big Al

There are three distinctly different types of silver that are labeled and

sold on the market as “colloidal silverâ€; they are ionic silver, silver

protein, and true colloidal silver. Consumers seeking true colloidal

silver are often at a disadvantage because each of these products

represents themselves as colloidal silver.

Commercial Product Reports provide detailed laboratory analysis of

colloidal products. Tests are performed by the Colloidal Science

Laboratory, Inc.(CSL) using a uniform set of analytical measurements. The

information contained in these reports is provided as a service to educate

consumers, and is not intended to promote any particular product. CSL does

not receive funding for its work from manufacturers, and anyone can submit

a product for testing.

Scientific product testing performed by CSL is an unbiased examination of

the physical properties of colloids using the best scientific methods and

equipment available. The equipment used to perform the analyses is

calibrated to standards traceable to the National Institute of Standards &

Technology, and the personnel performing the measurements are skilled in

the use of the equipment.

The instruments used to perform the tests are described in detail and the

test methods are fully revealed so that the entire suite of product tests

can be duplicated by others. See Determining Properties for technical

details about how the laboratory analysis is performed. Detailed lab

analysis for the products shown in the table is available by clicking on

the product name in the table.

Before exploring the reports, charts, graphs, and details of the tests, it

is important to have a basic understanding of the three types of products

that are marketed as Colloidal Silver.

Types of Colloidal Silver

The three types of products that consumers find labeled as “colloidal

silver†can be categorized as follows: ionic silver solutions , silver

protein, and true colloidal silver .

Ionic Silver Solutions

The vast majority of products labeled and sold as colloidal silver fall

into this category due to the low degree of manufacturing complexity and

resulting low cost of production. The silver content in these products

consists of both silver ions and silver particles. Typically, 90% of the

silver content is in the form of ionic silver and the remaining 10% of the

silver content is in the form of silver particles. The silver ions are

produced by electrolysis and may be described as “dissolved silverâ€.

Products produced by electrolysis are frequently described as " electro

colloids " . Because the majority of the silver content in these products is

dissolved silver rather than metallic silver particles, it would be more

technically accurate to describe these products as silver solutions.

Confusingly, ads for these products frequently claim that silver ions are

small silver particles or describe the product as consisting of ionic

silver particles. Silver ions are not the same as silver particles and the

two terms are not interchangeable. Ionic silver is also referred to as

monatomic silver and silver hydrosol by some producers who choose not to

describe their products using the scientifically correct terminology.

These are marketing terms used to hide the truth that what is being sold

is an ionic silver solution. For more details read About Ionic Silver.

How To Tell If A Product Is Mostly Ionic Silver

Silver solutions are typically clear like water or have a slight yellow

tint. These products are clear because silver that is dissolved in water

looks just like sugar or salt that is dissolved in water; it has no

visible appearance. The producers of ionic silver solutions will suggest

that colloidal silver should look like clear water, but this is incorrect.

Companies that sell ionic silver claim that their product is " true

colloidal silver " in an attempt to confuse the buyer. Do not be fooled. If

the product is clear, then it is ionic silver, not a true silver colloid.

Colloidal particles, when present in sufficient concentration, absorb

visible light causing the colloid to exhibit an " apparent color " . The

apparent color is the complement of the absorbed wavelength. Silver ions

do not absorb visible light and therefore appear as clear colorless

liquids.

Many producers of ionic silver recommend that the product be stored only

in glass containers. Some specify only amber or cobalt glass bottles

because their products are photosensitive and deteriorate when exposed to

light. True colloids do not have these issues.

How To Test for Ionic Silver

To figure out whether a solution is ionic silver, you only need add

chloride ions. Common table salt, which is sodium chloride, will do. If

silver ions are present the chloride ions will combine with the silver

ions and create a white, cloudy appearance. To form a cloud that is

visible requires that a sufficient concentration of silver ions be

present, typically about 10 ppm or above. Simply place 1-2 ounces of ionic

silver in a clear glass. Add a few grains of table salt. Observe whether,

as the salt dissolves, a white cloud of silver chloride forms in the

solution. If so, eventually, the entire solution will turn cloudy. If more

salt is added, the white silver chloride will become denser until all the

silver ions have combined with the available chlorine ions. If no silver

ions are present then no white cloud will form. Here’s the rub: Some

products will not make a white cloud of silver chloride when table salt is

added because they contain no silver at all, or very little silver.

Believe it or not, lab analysis has shown that some " silver " products

actually contain no silver! The difference between silver ions and silver

particles boils down to the fact that silver ions combine with chloride

ions to form silver chloride and silver particles do not.

Safe usage

“Colloidal silver†generators sold to home hobbyists all produce ionic

silver solutions. Because ionic silver products contain a low percentage

of their silver content in the form of particles, they all have a fairly

low particle surface area relative to the total silver content. Ionic

silver is not without merit. Ionic silver is a strong anti microbial and

serves well in situations where chloride is not present. When chloride is

present (inside the human body), the silver particle content will survive

to produce benefit.

Ionic silver products, when taken according to the manufacturers

recommended dosage, will not cause argyria, a condition that causes the

skin to turn blue-gray.

TechnoBabble, Misleading Language and Bogus Science

The term colloidal means particles not ions, but producers of ionic silver

products will try to convince the buyer that their product is a silver

colloid. The common thread in most advertisements selling ionic silver

products (labeled as colloidal silver) is to claim that ions are silver

particles, or they try to blur the distinction by using the terms

interchangeably. Another common trick is to display images made from a

Transmission Electron Microscope (TEM) that they claim shows the small

particles found in their products. These images do not show the silver

particles in their products. Read About TEM Images of Ionic Silver

Solutions to learn why these images are deceptive and misleading. Another

ploy is the use of techno-babble, wherein make-believe technical sounding

terms are used to impress the non-technical reader. Techno-babble attempts

to draw the reader’s attention away from the real science and focus on

nonsensical but important sounding terms and ideas. In a related approach,

advertising or labels will include scientific-sounding explanations that

use terms from other fields of science that are not applicable to the

chemistry of solutions and colloids. For example, in the field of nuclear

science, a particle is considered to be any atomic object whose weight is

greater or equal to the weight of an electron. Attempting to define a

silver ion as a particle by using this definition is the essence of what

is commonly referred to as bogus science. For examples of techno-babble

and bogus science, click here.

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" The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest

liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them

the truth. " -- H.L. Mencken

[Guest guest]

hello " big " Al...

i'll address all this point for point, but all this CS talk is apparently

getting excessive for an off-topic thread here where only brief OT tangents

are allowed.

i invite anyone interested in my response to write to me direct, and my

reply will go to all interested but not to the whole list.

what would be more interesting and educational would be to take it to the

Silverlist (not a group)where people like Ken/Ode (silverpuppy.com),

Trem (silvergen.com) and (silvermedicine.org) and many other experts

much more qualified than i can participate. all these points have been

discused there in years past several times over, but it's always good for

newbies and those like me with lousy memory. i haven't been a member of that

list for quite awhile due to time management constraints but would be

willing to get back on if you want to carry on with it. anyone interested

in signing up there go to www.silverlist.org it's a well disciplined,

mannerly list that's usually very active but with a bit much off topic

threads sometimes.

" medium/average " bobL

> [low dose naltrexone] Re:OT: setting up to make CSilver

>

> Do you really know what Type silver you are making?

> Protein, nitric

> acid, ionic or collodial? What is the particle size

> Bolders, down to 65

> nanometer? Do you have the 1 million dollar test equip to

> make sure. I

> worked in research labs all my life.