Valium

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Hi all

I am very cautious about Valium today as I am with any Benzodiazapine. This

comes from personal experience with it.

In 1969 a friend of mine had a sprained back, so the doc ordered Valium,

which was very common back then. There were no warnings about alcohol at

all. On a Friday evening during Happy Hour at the Mess and he had a couple

of beers. He said he wasn't feeling well so was going home. He lived on

base, but for some reason or other, he walked out of the Mess, out onto the

Angus L. Mac bridge between Halifax and Dartmouth and took a dive.

This man had no history of psychological problems at all. He was about 22

years of age. There were two others, suicides, all had the common thread of

Valium and booze. Yet the Military doctors still handed them out like

candy.

Hazel told me of a Doctor she had in the 70's. She prescribed Valium and

even told Hazel she could have a couple of beers if she wanted too.

I guess what I am saying is that many of us are on drugs that cannot be

mixed with alcohol at all. They are dangerous

Blessings to all

+Dave

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[Guest guest]

Hi +Dave,

Thank you for reminding all of us about alcohol and Valium and the other

meds we're on. Alcohol, and even illegal drugs, do NOT mix with many of the

meds that we're prescribed. I don't drink or do illegal drugs...I always

want to be ME and not something the alcohol or drugs make me be. I always

want to be in control of my body and actions. Actually, in my opinion, this

is an absolute no-brainer.

Again, thanx for the warning.

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Another issue to be aware of with Valium is car accidents. Studies have

shown that patients taking Valium have significantly more car accidents.

My personal experience is I cannot take Valium for that reason. If I take

Valium, even only at night, I start crashing my car. The first time I was

on it, I didn't make the connection until I saw a news report of this study.

I went off it. I went back on it several years later and almost immediately

crashed into a post, even though I had only taken it the night before. So,

absolutely no Valium for me.

One problem with Valium is that it's cumulative, it builds up in the system

so can affect you many hours after taking it. I'm petite, so it probably

builds up more in my system than someone who's larger. Xanax, another

benzodiapine, is eliminated quickly from the system. I can take Xanax at

night and not get in car accidents.

Everyone's chemistry is different so if Valium works well for you and you

don't drive or don't get in accidents, more power to you. It is good to be

aware of this possible side effect though, as the first time I was on Valium

I had no idea why I was suddenly getting in lots of accidents.

Regards,

Janet in San Francisco

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet, I only take Valium maybe twice a week, and that's not enough to

get whacked out on it, so it is only for sever pain. I have no relief from

Oxycontin or Morphine, unless it is in an IV. I have found that Soma helps

lots better than Cyclobenzaprine. It does nothing unless I take 3 or 4 at a

time. I am so tired of taking meds, I wish there was a magic pill that is

only a one time deal each day and it would work until the next day. But

until then, life is under control of pills and shots. What a life:) I know

there are such things as miracle healings, but I don't know if that's what

God has in store for my life. The Doc's say it's a miracle I have lived as

long as I have. They say I have lived longer than most people who has had my

problems, especially toxic mega colon. So they don't know how to treat me

anymore. They just have to guess. So I'm off to the Doc tomorrow again. I

really hate going, but it's a must. Take care. EFD Oregon

[Guest guest]

EFD, have you tried the timed release versions of the oxy and morphine? I've

used both of those and it's a really different ball game. The regular doses

didn't do a thing for me either.

I wish you wele with your doc's appt.

As for waiting to see what's in store, I have done some of that also. Things

worked out for the better, but now I'm looking for docs to prescribe what

works for me. It's a strange world when you find what works after 15 years

of searching and then you get no cooperation for one reason or the other.

Hang in there.

GA

[Guest guest]

Supposed to calm you down, almost tranquilize you, when you are super, super

stressed. I used to take diazepam, the generic form of Valium. Very nice, but

addictive.

--Diane

Re: Re: jeff

Jeff,

What exactly is Valium supposed to be used for? Thanks.

Diann

Re: Going Off SSRI's <<You CAN DO IT!!!!

> Those effects you mention are probably due to coming off too fast!

>

> I tapered daily but reducing my actual dose each week. Remember

> starving the brain of the SSRI can be dangerous once it is

> accustomed to having it. I believe it is better to gradually reduce

> the dose daily on a weekly basis!

>

> For those of you who have heard this before, my apologies

>

> I had been on various ssri';s for about 5+ years (Paxil,

> effexor,lex, etc. After my POdoc gave me Lex 1st at 10 mg and then

> raising me to 30 I started to have sides including insomnia (I

> always slept like a rock!) High BP pushed me over the edge!!! Mine

> went from 120/80 to 150/100!!!!!!!

>

> I did not ask the doc but told him...I was coming off for good! he

> of course did not agree....wanted me to take a BP med...sheesh

>

> I tapered my dose over a six week period and ALL the symptoms have

> gradually disappeared! For better or worse, I am me again GAD and

> all!It has now been 6 months and ssri free!! getting from 30mg to 10

> mg only took 2.5 weeks. The eventual elimination took the rest of

> the time. I had gotten down to .5 mg daily for 2 weeks before I

> finally said enough!

>

> I do take a maintainance dose 5mg x2 times daily of valium instead

> but to me this is far better than the ssri's...it has been around

> for 30+ years and its addictive effects are known. SSRI's are just

> too new!!! I will take my chances with the known entity!!!

>

> I hope my story helps those wanting off but I do not blame those

> wanting to stay on...one of life's choices!!! On a side note, The

> most effective SSRI for me was Effexor...It was also the most

> HELLISH experience I ever had tapering off! Lex was a relative piece

> of cake!

>

> As an addition, I am a 56yr old male, just lost my dad and my job

> and have no thoughts of going back to any SSRI. I will take life as

> it comes (along with the valium as needed! As uncomfortable as it

> is, I will also have to live and cope with my GAD!!!

>

> PS: I am NOT brave....just stubborn <grin>

> Best to all

> Jeff

>

>

>

> > > Does anyone know any information of about how you'll

> > > feel, truly

> > > feel, going off of SSRI'S

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > =====

> >

> > Tammy Cantillon

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Valium is so addicting!!! They gave that to my grandmother years ago and when

the doctor finally stopped letting her have it, she was wacky for five years

afterwards. My father-in-law took it for 20+ years and it took him forever to

get off it. He won't ever touch that drug again. Interesting, my grandmother

had valium at night, then drank coca-cola in the morning for the caffeine to

wake up (grandpa snored and maybe this was the only way she could sleep through

the night). My father-in-law uses diet dr pepper the same way. So, if you can

stay away from Valium, I think it would be a good thing. in La Selva

Beach CA

If you decide to go off it, it must be done very slowly, and it's

recommended that one slowly switch to valium, then taper off of

that, because valium has a longer half-life in the body.

Also, as a side note, about 2 years ago, I found that I felt I could

almost stop cold-turkey when I was doing an anti-yeast, probiotic

protocol. My anxiety went waaaay down.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Re switching from klonopin to valium to taper, it doesn't work well

for some people because the brain receptors the drugs affect are

different. This is stated in the Ashton manual which many regard as

the standard for benzo tapering. Klonopin has a medium half life and

it is sufficient to cover most people taking it only once a day. The

water titration method is the safest way to go off klonopin, which is

twenty times stronger than valium.

Helen who spent two years in benzo forums and will now shut up about

it again.

> Valium is so addicting!!! They gave that to my grandmother years

ago and when the doctor finally stopped letting her have it, she was

wacky for five years afterwards. My father-in-law took it for 20+

years and it took him forever to get off it. He won't ever touch

that drug again. Interesting, my grandmother had valium at night,

then drank coca-cola in the morning for the caffeine to wake up

(grandpa snored and maybe this was the only way she could sleep

through the night). My father-in-law uses diet dr pepper the same

way. So, if you can stay away from Valium, I think it would be a

good thing. in La Selva Beach CA

> If you decide to go off it, it must be done very slowly, and it's

> recommended that one slowly switch to valium, then taper off of

> that, because valium has a longer half-life in the body.

>

> Also, as a side note, about 2 years ago, I found that I felt I

could

> almost stop cold-turkey when I was doing an anti-yeast, probiotic

> protocol. My anxiety went waaaay down.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Schmidt wrote:

> Valium is so addicting!!!

It really can be, as can klonopin and any benzo, for some people.

But *please* anyone has been prescribed a benzo, for panic or anxiety

disorder, or any other reason, don't dismiss them as universally

addictive killers. They can save lives for others: it must depends on

body chemistry. For me, valium and klonopin have been easy to go on,

on reasonably large doses, and then come off: the same is true for

a lot of people. I shouln't have done it, but once I just even quit

cold turkey to no ill effect. And I recently tapered off klonopin and

back onto a considerably lower dose of valium, again without problems.

Without them, I imagine my anxiety would have been infinitely more

disabling than it has been.

Honey

[Guest guest]

This is not to be taken as medical advice, I'm just

sharing what happened to me. I was once very dizzy,

had trouble walking, even fell into a wall. So, I went

to the doctor. Turned out to be ear wax. (There is

something in the inner ear that controls balance.) Got

it cleaned out, and the problem was solved.

Pepper

--- tmcle1474 <mclem64@...> wrote:

> anyone here take valium for dizziness??? if so,

> does it help and how

> much do you take?? thanks, tammy in ms

>

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[Guest guest]

Valium is commonly used for muscle relaxation in patients that will require it

indefinitely. I know it is often used with people suffering from cerebral palsy,

in small does several times daily.

Namaste,

Melony

With our thoughts, we make our world.

~Buddha~

Valium

Valium is an addictive anti-anxiety drug and the withdrawal produces what they

call " rebound anxiety. " I took it for years for panic and severe anxiety

attacks.

I have never head of it used as a muslce relaxer? -- usually Robaxin or

Flexeril is used for that.

Annie

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[Guest guest]

Annie, actually, Valium was like the first and best

muscle relaxer. However, its addictive properties and

rebound anxiety (as you mentioned) and rebound muscle

stiffness nixed it for any long term use. So drug

companies came up with a lot of other kinds of muscle

relaxants to get around Valium's drawbacks.

Unfortunately with long term use, all muscle relaxants

are somewhat addictive in that the body accommodates

to them and there is rebound muscle stiffness when you

stop taking them. This is why all muscles relaxants

are labelled for short term use only. Unfortunately

this doesn't help us. does it.

Rochelle

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[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I was raised as an Air Force brat, also my ex was career Air Force. Some of the

medical care was very odd, according to my parents, Shirley Temple's

pediatrician volunteered his services to the hospital I was born in, and when I

couldn't sleep, and wasn't allowing my parents' any sleep, at age 6 months, i

was given half of a tranquilizer to let everyone get rest. Don't know what kind,

or for how long, as my parents' aren't alive, but they were not kidding. At age

12, I had severe hay fever, had shots, all the treatment that was available back

in the 60's-which led military drs. at the next base we were at to give me

Valium-for my hay fever! I guess it was supposed to relax the muscles that made

me sneeze all the time? No wonder I have a sleeping disorder and anxiety. I take

Zanax now for sleep, am far beyond the regular prescription drugs for sleep, and

refuse to try the psychotic ones. I break a 1mg. in half for sleep, and only use

full strength if I've

had an exceedingly bad day emotionally. I occasionally have panic attacks, also

battling an eating disorder, along with my back and neck pain. Cannot afford

counseling, my co-pay is too much, and my husband makes too much(they say) to be

eligible for any other help. So I deal with it the best I can, and with my

husbands' understanding. It's taken him awhile to get used to all the medical

care I need, and my emotional needs, but we're making it, and that's half the

battle.

Thanks for letting me air all this.

Jeannie

Valium

Valium is an addictive anti-anxiety drug and the withdrawal produces what they

call " rebound anxiety. " I took it for years for panic and severe anxiety

attacks.

I have never head of it used as a muslce relaxer? -- usually Robaxin or Flexeril

is used for that.

Annie

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[Guest guest]

My PCP said something about Robaxin today. Apparently it's been around a very

long time and he considered prescribing it for me. But we're trying something

else first. I've tried a few of the Lidocaine patches that are left-over from

another time, and he gave me a new prescription for these. Said I can use three

a day, whether that's all at once, or one every eight hours, it doesn't matter;

just don't use more than that. I had been cutting one up, putting a third in

one area and the two-thirds in another area - that also worked, just not as

well. All I'm trying to do is " take the edge " off my pain, not eliminate it

entirely.

He also diagnosed me as having Fibromyalgia; which I dreaded but had recently

come to the reluctant conclusion that this was a lot of my problems. I think he

knew it all along; but _I_ was the one having a problem with accepting it. He

actually looked relieved when I brought it up. My PCP is a very special person;

he also does psychological exams/consultations and that gives him a real edge in

diagnosing his patients' problems.

And because I'm having so much nerve pain, he wants to try me on Lyrica. My

young teenage daughter had this and it had terrible results for her. But she is

introverted and it removed her inhibitions, got her in trouble at school the

very next day. And we are still (SIGH) dealing with the consequences of that,

now almost two years later.

So I know what it is and some basic things about it, but am just a little

careful about how it might work for me. I'm an extrovert (as if you guys didn't

know!) and it might do just fine for me. Time will tell. I have several

places that it might help; just trying to find a balance between a medication

that is an " all over the body " treatment versus one that is a specific location

of pain (hence the use of the Lidocaine patch).

Debbie Dahl

[Guest guest]

At 04:31 PM 2/26/2008, you wrote:

> So I deal with it the best I can, and with my husbands'

> understanding. It's taken him awhile to get used to all the medical

> care I need, and my emotional needs, but we're making it, and

> that's half the battle.

>Thanks for letting me air all this.

>

>Jeannie

My wife and I were engaged for almost 6 years, we got married and the

health problems struck us both almost immediately.

we both are understanding and remind each other we vowed for better

or worse, in sickness and in health ! It's easy to love one another

when everythings all rosey. True love is loving someone as you clean

up their puke :-P Dave & Laurie together 17 years

[Guest guest]

I think valium can be addictive so I would try to avoid it as much as

possible.

I have found that if I have my main meal a lot later then I can sleep

through the night.

It means having two breakfasts or two lunches in order to keep me

going through the day but a big meal before bed seems to stop me

waking up in the night. Its the hypoglycemia that was waking me up,

though I didn't realise it until I tried eating late for a few days.

Snacks at bedtime were not enough for me.

Jane

[Guest guest]

You could try inositol, it is known as vitamin B8 and is similar in its

effect to valium though not dangerously addictive as valium is.

I got diarrhoea from taking a high dose initially - 12 grams - but it

knocked me out and I have lifelong issues with severe insomnia.

I took 2.5 grams last night but got involved in watching a movie in bed

so it did not make me sleep and I needed to repeat the dose, then it

worked.....

It has been brilliant, has stopped the need for a pee in the night too.

Another good one is l-ornithine.

Mo

>

> I get fed up with waking up several times a night. I've tried

> melatonine time release and valerian and chamomile. If I don't sleep

> well I feel bad the next day. So I've started taking valium.

> What damage will valium do? I take about 5 to 10 drops. I know it

> has a long half life and it is " better " than a lot of other benzos.

>

> I take 35mg of hc and 55mcg of t3

> thanks in advance

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo - Ive never heard of this before as a sleep aid - where do you buy it from?

thanks for this info,

Gill

You could try inositol, it is known as vitamin B8

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[Guest guest]

Do you mean diazapan? If so I took for a while, not everyday, but I used it for anxiety. It is highly addictive and if used regularly over a period of time you will find the body needs more to have the same effect. I would suggest using it very sparingly and not everyday and not for the long, I dont use it now but it helped when I needed it

Dear AllI get fed up with waking up several times a night. I've triedmelatonine time release and valerian and chamomile. I take 35mg of hc and 55mcg of t3thanks in advance

[Guest guest]

aye

Valium\epam benzos, not good for you at all, however they helped

me greatly with anxiety, however as sarah says, you develop a

tolerance very quickly and now I have to take it each day just to feel

normal. I cannot be doing with nasty withdrawals right now.

I would suggest take it only for a short time and even better

intermittanly.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

What are

your adrenals doing at night I wonder berny? If you have high cortisol, it's no

wonder you cannot sleep.

Luv -

Sheila

I take 35mg of hc and 55mcg of t3

thanks in advance

[Guest guest]

I find mimosa tea, 1mg melatonin, and 2 ornithine all taken together at bedtime work wonders for me.

I get mimosa tea from here http://www.paris-lotus.com/index.php?page=search & langue_id=1 & mot=mimosa & x=13 & y=5 . Unfortunately it is in French.

Val

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Confused here, my niacin says inositol .

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Re: valium

Hi Mo - Ive never heard of this

before as a sleep aid - where do you buy it from?

thanks for this info,

Gill

You could try inositol, it is known as vitamin B8

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[Guest guest]

There is no problem with valium, diazepam and LDN.

Dr.Skip