Re: Grapefruit, Statins, for Multiple Sclerosis/CCSVI?

[Guest guest]

Carolyn, you do mean grapefruit and not grapeseed? I talk a lot about grapeseed extract which is an antioxidant but haven't heard much talk about grapefruit seed extract which is an anti-viral. I've been taking Grapeseed Extract for going on 15 yrs. Just wanted to make sure as many get the two confused. Thanks....joyce

[low dose naltrexone] Grapefruit, Statins, for Multiple Sclerosis/CCSVI?

OK,Skip said that grapefruit is safe to consume in conjunction with LDN. My question is: Would grapefruit seed extract be a harmless supplement to take with a proposed new cholesterol lowering treatment for Multiple Sclerosis? I ask because I read an article today that makes sense to me if Multiple Sclerosis is in fact a vascular disorder (which I suspect it is). CCSVI, for those who aren't already aware of the theory, is a vascular disorder that could be the cause of Multiple Sclerosis (or a result of MS). The article discusses a study using statins (cholesterol lowering drugs) to slow the progression of MS.Statins make sense because; if you have veins that are stenosing, cholesterol can build up in those already collapsing veins and you'd have even less blood flow and more toxins building up, wreaking havoc in your cerebrospinal fluid, and causing lesions to form. The drugs to lower cholesterol wouldn't cure the problem but could slow the progression.Grapefruit inhibits the production of CYP3A4 enzyme. CYP3A4 is essential in the metabolism of drugs such as Lipitor, used to lower cholesterol. Many people in this group use grapefruit seed extract. I was just about to order some, but am hesitant now because I may ask my neurologist about the possibility of taking Lipitor for my Multiple Sclerosis. So, does anyone in this group know if it is just the juice of the grapefruit that would affect the metabolism of certain drugs, or grapefruit seed extract as well? Thanks!Carolynarticle about statins and MS:http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/638131/main.html

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Grapefruit seed extract is to be taken with LDN

First A in the Q/A part of the above post

and http://www.ldn-for-crohns.com/expect.html

LDN has been noted to aggravate yeast infections and other latent pathogens, viruses, etc. as the immune system is making early adjustments. It is good to have natural yeast remedies on board when LDN is started (grapefruit seed extract, Candex, lauricidin, hi-potency probiotics, etc) to help offset this possibility. (And of course a good dietary regime that does not encourage gut inflammation which is usually the predecessor to pathogen invasion).

Amazing how people add their own ideas. That's why ldninfo.org / low dose naltrexone.org has the Correct info, add, subtract or change at your own risk.

[low dose naltrexone] Grapefruit, Statins, for Multiple Sclerosis/CCSVI?

OK,Skip said that grapefruit is safe to consume in conjunction with LDN. My question is: Would grapefruit seed extract be a harmless supplement to take with a proposed new cholesterol lowering treatment for Multiple Sclerosis? I ask because I read an article today that makes sense to me if Multiple Sclerosis is in fact a vascular disorder (which I suspect it is). CCSVI, for those who aren't already aware of the theory, is a vascular disorder that could be the cause of Multiple Sclerosis (or a result of MS). The article discusses a study using statins (cholesterol lowering drugs) to slow the progression of MS.Statins make sense because; if you have veins that are stenosing, cholesterol can build up in those already collapsing veins and you'd have even less blood flow and more toxins building up, wreaking havoc in your cerebrospinal fluid, and causing lesions to form. The drugs to lower cholesterol wouldn't cure the problem but could slow the progression.Grapefruit inhibits the production of CYP3A4 enzyme. CYP3A4 is essential in the metabolism of drugs such as Lipitor, used to lower cholesterol. Many people in this group use grapefruit seed extract. I was just about to order some, but am hesitant now because I may ask my neurologist about the possibility of taking Lipitor for my Multiple Sclerosis. So, does anyone in this group know if it is just the juice of the grapefruit that would affect the metabolism of certain drugs, or grapefruit seed extract as well? Thanks!Carolynarticle about statins and MS:http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/638131/main.html

[Guest guest]

Yep, That's where the grapefruit problem was, yes, Lipitor; not LDN

[low dose naltrexone] Grapefruit, Statins, for Multiple Sclerosis/CCSVI?

So If a person is on something like Lipitor they should avoid Grapefruit?

[Guest guest]

For that matter, the idea that cholesterol is dangerous is being questioned

in the medical community.

--V

At 12:02 AM 4/20/2010, you wrote:

>statins are very dangerous drugs with many side effects .if you have

>cholesterol,then go to a good thyroid doctor that works with armour.

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

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Thinking about this, my doc is more concerned about homocysteine and last 2 labs ran this. I was a little higher than she wanted me to be and suggested Cardio B which I took and then the next labs were great, homo numbers got lower than she wanted them to be. Some years ago, I bought the book The Heart Revolution by Dr. McCully....The Extraordinary Discovery That Finally Laid The Cholesterol Myth to Rest. Weston A Price Foundation people do a lot of research in this area and also talk about the "myth"....just an FYI. joyce

I continue with the Cardio B product.

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Grapefruit, Statins, for Multiple Sclerosis/CCSVI?

For that matter, the idea that cholesterol is dangerous is being questioned in the medical community.--VAt 12:02 AM 4/20/2010, you wrote:>statins are very dangerous drugs with many side effects .if you have >cholesterol,then go to a good thyroid doctor that works with armour.~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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Not to get off topic but statins are part of the reason my

husband just started LDN (3mg). For the past 6 years (off statins) my

husband's been trying to recover from 8 years of statins (Zocor, then

Lipitor). TGA (transient global amnesia) was the last straw. The past 3

years we've uncovered numerous deficiencies, very low levels of

serotonin & dopamine and more recently, heavy metal toxicity. All

of this is contributing to cognitive impairment, hand tremor and last

August, a grand mal seizure. November 2009 we found an excellent

"integrative health care" physician who recommended IV chelation for

very high levels of both lead and mercury, several nutritional

supplements and this last visit, LDN.

Re: armour - YES - Excerpt(s) from "Stop the Thyroid Madness"

site by Janie Bowthorpe: "All the desiccated

thyroid brands contain the same hormones as your own thyroid: T4, T3,

T2, T1 and calcitonin"...

Avoid T-4 only meds like the plague: "Synthroid, Levoxyl,

Levothyroxine, Eltroxin, Oroxine, Norton and a host of other brand

names..."

Fran

Zahavi wrote:

statins are very dangerous drugs with many side effects .if you

have cholesterol,then go to a good thyroid doctor that works

with armour.

[Guest guest]

For more info on this topic, "thincs" organization (The International

Network of Cholesterol Skeptics):

http://www.thincs.org/

Fran

On 4/20/2010 1:06 AM, B wrote:

For that matter, the idea that cholesterol is dangerous is being

questioned in the medical community.

--V

At 12:02 AM 4/20/2010, you wrote:

>statins are very dangerous drugs with many side effects .if you

have

>cholesterol,then go to a good thyroid doctor that works with

armour.

..

[Guest guest]

I did an intensive search some time ago about whether or not grapefruit

seed extract

(GFSE) has the same ingredient that grapefruit juice has that affects

certain drugs. Very

few sites that market GFSE address this issue, but I did find one that

clearly said that it

does NOT have the same ingredient as the juice. I wrote down what that

ingredient is

but can't find it now, and will report it here if it's found. I take

GFSE daily since that time.

Carolyn Sell wrote:

> OK,

>

> Skip said that grapefruit is safe to consume in conjunction with LDN.

> My question is: Would grapefruit seed extract be a harmless supplement

> to take with a proposed new cholesterol lowering treatment for

> Multiple Sclerosis?

>

> I ask because I read an article today that makes sense to me if

> Multiple Sclerosis is in fact a vascular disorder (which I suspect it

> is). CCSVI, for those who aren't already aware of the theory, is a

> vascular disorder that could be the cause of Multiple Sclerosis (or a

> result of MS). The article discusses a study using statins

> (cholesterol lowering drugs) to slow the progression of MS.

>

> Statins make sense because; if you have veins that are stenosing,

> cholesterol can build up in those already collapsing veins and you'd

> have even less blood flow and more toxins building up, wreaking havoc

> in your cerebrospinal fluid, and causing lesions to form. The drugs to

> lower cholesterol wouldn't cure the problem but could slow the

> progression.

>

> Grapefruit inhibits the production of CYP3A4 enzyme. CYP3A4 is

> essential in the metabolism of drugs such as Lipitor, used to lower

> cholesterol. Many people in this group use grapefruit seed extract. I

> was just about to order some, but am hesitant now because I may ask my

> neurologist about the possibility of taking Lipitor for my Multiple

> Sclerosis. So, does anyone in this group know if it is just the juice

> of the grapefruit that would affect the metabolism of certain drugs,

> or grapefruit seed extract as well?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Carolyn

>

> article about statins and MS:

> http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/638131/main.html

> <http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/638131/main.html>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The problem content with grapefruit which is not in grapefruit seed

extract is that it has FURANOCOUMARINS. A clip from a medical web site:

According to new research, it is not the flavonoids in grapefruit

that

interact dangerously with some drugs, it is the furanocoumarins.

Some medications, such as those for cholesterol and hypertension,

are affected by furanocoumarins so that they enter the bloodstream

too quickly.

Sturr wrote:

I did an intensive search some time ago about whether or not grapefruit seed extract

(GFSE) has the same ingredient that grapefruit juice has that affects certain drugs. Very

few sites that market GFSE address this issue, but I did find one that clearly said that it

does NOT have the same ingredient as the juice. I wrote down what that ingredient is

but can't find it now, and will report it here if it's found. I take GFSE daily since that time.

Carolyn Sell wrote:

OK,

Skip said that grapefruit is safe to consume in conjunction with LDN. My question is: Would grapefruit seed extract be a harmless supplement to take with a proposed new cholesterol lowering treatment for Multiple Sclerosis?

I ask because I read an article today that makes sense to me if Multiple Sclerosis is in fact a vascular disorder (which I suspect it is). CCSVI, for those who aren't already aware of the theory, is a vascular disorder that could be the cause of Multiple Sclerosis (or a result of MS). The article discusses a study using statins (cholesterol lowering drugs) to slow the progression of MS.

Statins make sense because; if you have veins that are stenosing, cholesterol can build up in those already collapsing veins and you'd have even less blood flow and more toxins building up, wreaking havoc in your cerebrospinal fluid, and causing lesions to form. The drugs to lower cholesterol wouldn't cure the problem but could slow the progression.

Grapefruit inhibits the production of CYP3A4 enzyme. CYP3A4 is essential in the metabolism of drugs such as Lipitor, used to lower cholesterol. Many people in this group use grapefruit seed extract. I was just about to order some, but am hesitant now because I may ask my neurologist about the possibility of taking Lipitor for my Multiple Sclerosis. So, does anyone in this group know if it is just the juice of the grapefruit that would affect the metabolism of certain drugs, or grapefruit seed extract as well?

Thanks!

Carolyn

article about statins and MS:

http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/638131/main.html <http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/638131/main.html>

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