Re: non-stop selling on here

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I'm with you. If I am interested in buying something I go to the Internet or

the store.

I just skip over the posts from the people I know are pushing their products.

Really, enough is enough.

Martha A.

[Guest guest]

Hello RMAgricola@...,

In reference to your comment:

è Dear , I'm with you. If I am interested in buying

è something I go to the Internet or the store. I just skip

è over the posts from the people I know are pushing their

è products. Really, enough is enough. Martha A.

Well better than that now they are jumping on newbies just coming in through

off list emails. Do you know how that makes this list look? Most of us get

enough advertisements and spam without joining a list and being hit with it.

You would think a person would get to know someone first at least. Not one

post and wham!!! They must be thinking " Oh fresh meat " . I think it will

be a while before I invite anyone new to this list again and if I do I will

certainly warn them.

Janis

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/23/2003 9:10:23 AM Central Daylight Time,

lpiercy@... writes:

> I have a neighbor who sells all kinds of stuff and she works it in to the

> conversation. She thought she stuck gold when she found out I had lyme. I

> now try to avoid her at all costs. I wish people would just tell in general

> what helps them. Not the brand they make money off of. Jusy my opinion.

>

This makes me think of one lady where I work. Her and her husband have

bounced from one MLM group to another spending big money each time. She thinks

eventually their ship will come in. LOL When I started telling her about her

product and knew more about it than she did she thought she had a sell for sure.

Sorry to say but I found mine on my own from the original source and I

wasn't interested in her over priced stuff that is a spinoff from the original

to

support all the people in it. She hasn't quit working either due to making an

abundance of money. LOL They just keep getting deeper in debt. She even

admits she got on the internet to make money. I got on the internet right

after I was diagnosed as chronic to learn more about my disease since our

library is so outdated on anything to do with Lyme. I would rather put my

faith

in a lizard than a MLM group. LOL

[Guest guest]

Ditto

I have a neighbor who sells all kinds of stuff and she works it in to the

conversation. She thought she stuck gold when she found out I had lyme. I now

try to avoid her at all costs. I wish people would just tell in general what

helps them. Not the brand they make money off of. Jusy my opinion.

Lynnelle

Re: [ ] non-stop selling on here

Hello RMAgricola@...,

In reference to your comment:

è Dear , I'm with you. If I am interested in buying

è something I go to the Internet or the store. I just skip

è over the posts from the people I know are pushing their

è products. Really, enough is enough. Martha A.

Well better than that now they are jumping on newbies just coming in through

off list emails. Do you know how that makes this list look? Most of us get

enough advertisements and spam without joining a list and being hit with it.

You would think a person would get to know someone first at least. Not one

post and wham!!! They must be thinking " Oh fresh meat " . I think it will

be a while before I invite anyone new to this list again and if I do I will

certainly warn them.

Janis

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/19/2003 2:16:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

bailieboy@... writes:

> PLEASE this is not a personal insult to any one person. I would just love

> a

> good lyme email list to come back to, and if it doesn't change, I am going

> to

> have to sign off as well.

>

>

>

-

I have an e-mail from you from Nov. 2001 saying exactly the same thing!!!

You are a natural health practioner too??? where did you go to school?

It would be great if you could make some professional suggestions then to

help others. Who says you have to 'plug' products??

sue massie

sue in nj

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/23/2003 6:59:54 PM Central Standard Time,

Ssadlermas@... writes:

> I have an e-mail from you from Nov. 2001 saying exactly the same thing!!!

I'm not sure this is the kind of people I need to associate with,

Sad, too. Cuz I'd like to learn more about this disease.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

Personally, I am reading more people complaining about the " selling "

than any selling on this list...

________

Dear Michele,

Thank you for your comments as above. I have become somewhat drained from

all the controversy on this list regarding so-called " selling. " To several

members of this list - I have given out way too much of my time, energy and

caring to this group, and the skepticism is fine, but the nastiness isn't. No

one

was more of a skeptic than I was. It took me six months to finally try the

Sunrider regimen in that my friend recommended in 1994, and I often wonder

where we'd be had I remained so obstinate. Whatever one decides to do, the

only

path to regaining one's health from chronic Lyme is to support your body with

some type of herbal and holistic regimen, a good diet without white flour,

yeast and sugar, and to avoid dairy as much as possible. Also stay off diet

soda

and artificial color. No matter how sick one fees. Try to do some type of

exercise or stretching every day. If anyone would like to speak to me, I am

always available to help. For now. I am taking a break - not leaving, but

taking

a break.

All my best,

Rauch

Herbal Food Advisor

Sunrider Int'l

(732) 946-2216

www.sunrider.com

[Guest guest]

Personally, I am reading more people complaining about the " selling "

than any selling on this list. I would be tempted to unsubscribe

because of y'all complaining than the help that the Sues and Connie area

trying to help people with. How about live and let live, the list owner

has had her say that I agree with and if you don't like it you can go

back where you came from!

Michele

Re: [ ] non-stop selling on here

Dear ,

I'm with you. If I am interested in buying something I go to the

Internet or

the store.

I just skip over the posts from the people I know are pushing their

products.

Really, enough is enough.

Martha A.

[Guest guest]

<<<<<<I have given out way too much of my time, energy and caring to

this group, and the skepticism is fine, but the nastiness isn't. No

one was more of a skeptic than I was.>>>>>

Please don't stop writing. Even though I am not suffering from lyme

symptoms right now......I am suffering from the damage left behind not

only from the spirochetes but also the abx.

I've learned a lot from you and Sue M......even though in the past I

have argued with Sue M...I was too sick to realize what I was doing.

Now I see what great information the two of you bring to the list.

I am currently going to Dr. Hoffman (internist/alternative) in

NYC.....my body is so depleted and tired and I continue to have muscle

spasms, twitching, and numbness and tingling...and my sleep patterns

are horrible.

After extensive testing at the Hoffman center, I am finding out lots

of my problems are deficiencies within my body. I was actually given

two IV drips this past Thursday and will continue to get them weekly

for the rest of the summer.

I am on a lot of supplements, to try and rebuild my immune system.

Would you believe I have very, very, little Iron and Folic Acid in my

system.

I also found out I have a severe allergy to milk and other dairy

products as well as Egg Whites. I found the egg white allergy

surprising. I love eggs and drink 4oz of milk every night before

bedtime. No wonder I would wake up in the night coughing and gasping

for air.

I have switched to Goats milk.....and already I am seeing a

difference......no coughing and my acne is clearing up (acne at 45)

jeepers.

I am a believer in supplements, especially after testing of blood and

urine etc.

So, please stick around, I may question things from time to time, but

its only out of curiosity and a need to understand.

Thanks for all you do for the list,

Connie

[Guest guest]

Great response Connie. Please people, use delete button but let us hear

about anything that has worked. We are all different and this is such a crazy

disease to handle that we can get all the help we need.

Bev

[Guest guest]

Dear Connie,

I always appreciate your positive outlook and always have known that you are

on the right road to recovery because of the way you see yourself as " cured. "

I am so glad you are taking these steps to find out what is going on with

the weaknesses your body has developed. Someone else would blame their symptoms

on Lyme itself, when in fact, in your case, they come from various allergies,

nutrients and minerals that have been depleted from your body. Do not look

at the acne as a negative if you are taking steps to cleanse. Toxins must come

out of the body in different ways, and the skin is the largest organ for

elimination of waste. When I started on the Sunrider and began to drink the

special herbal beverages, after a short time, I noticed a breakout on the left

side

of my neck. At first my reaction was that I was allergic to the products,

when it was explained to me that the breakout on my neck signified an area of

cleansing from the toxins in my body because all of the antibiotics I had taken.

Once in a while I would sweat and it wasn't from Babesia, but also part of

the cleansing process, and it took me a step closer to regaining my health. I

was told " don't fight the healing process. "

The breakout on my neck lasted six months, and it looked like an embarrassing

giant hickey. Eventually, I switched my skin care also to the brand from

this company (which I have been thrilled with for eight years) because I learned

that I could cover it up without blocking my pores as with my old brand which

was not allowing the natural cleansing process to take place because of the

ingredients in the skincare and makeup. You must be very careful not to use any

skincare that has animal products or lanolin in the ingredients. Lanolin is

a very common product to find in makeup and skincare. Believe it or not,

lanolin is a byproduct of sheep. It is horrifying to learn what ingredients are

in some of the best cosmetic brands.

Anyway, I am so glad you are getting answers and thank you for your kindness.

As long as I feel that my efforts are not in vain, I will stay aboard.

Rauch

Herbal Food Advisor

Sunrider Int'l

(732) 946-2216

www.sunrider.com