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HI Karla:

IT was great to meet you on chat last Sunday. Hope to see you again this

Sunday. That is our regularly scheduled chat time, but people can set up

other times if they wish, or have impromptu chats.

There was one thing you wrote that did set of a bit of an alarm bell:

>but her therapist says

>>we need to validate her feelings and go from there. I hope it

>>works.

Effective treatment for OCD does not validate the

feelings/thoughts/behaviors caused by OCD. IN fact E & RP is all about

challenging these fears, " spitting in the eye " of OCD, and not doing what

OCD tells the OCDer to do. That is not to say that we do not recognize how

tremendously upsetting these feelings are for our beloved OCDers, but that

they learn that these are error messages from their brain. Dr. Chansky

calls this " junk mail " .

Religious scrupulosity can often be best treated by including a religious

advisor whom the person with OCD trusts to be their " moral compass " in

designing E & RP.

Good luck to Tara in her journey of learning ot boss back her scrup. I

advise you to ask her CBT therapist about the goals of therapy and how you

will measure success in therapy. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 05:34 PM 11/30/2000 +0000, you wrote:

>I wanted to tell you all thanks for responding to my long winded

>post. It helps to know that others out there can relate.

>

>Tara's therapy right now is consisting of " bossing back " her fears.

>Unfortunately, that is not working out real great as she feels that

>is " mean. " I was also told to keep record of what so called sins she

>feels she has committed to cause these bad things to happen and then

>once we go back to her appointment she will show me what to do from

>there. It's confusing to me because I know it is nothing she is

>doing to cause these scarry things to happen but her therapist says

>we need to validate her feelings and go from there. I hope it

>works.

>

>I will definately try to come back to the chat on Sunday. I noticed

>that thier was some trouble with the servers but enjoyed being

>there. My only problem is that I really sometimes have a hard time

>talking about it especially when other parents are going through way

>harder times. Then I feel as if I am whining and I don't want to do

>that but I will definately try to come to the chat again. I assume

>that Sunday is the only day for the chats?

>

>Again, thanks for your responses. It really has helped me this

>week. Do take care and I hope to see you all in chat sometime. Karla

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Hi Karla, you wrote:

> I wanted to tell you all thanks for responding to my long winded

> post. It helps to know that others out there can relate.

Not long-winded! Type until your fingers lock up is my motto :-)

> Tara's therapy right now is consisting of " bossing back " her fears.

> Unfortunately, that is not working out real great as she feels that

> is " mean. " I was also told to keep record of what so called sins she

> feels she has committed to cause these bad things to happen and then

> once we go back to her appointment she will show me what to do from

> there. It's confusing to me because I know it is nothing she is

> doing to cause these scarry things to happen but her therapist says

> we need to validate her feelings and go from there. I hope it

> works.

It sounds like the therapist may be getting ready to do E & RP. Bossing back

is part of this, and the record of sins might be the beginnings of a

heirarchy, ranking Tara's compulsions from easiest to hardest to resist

doing. How many sessions has Tara had with this therapist? Working from

memory, I think Kathy H. has said, Fred Penzel has said, actual E & RP should

begin within 4 or 5 sessions, or move on, you are wasting your effort and

money. In my (limited) experience, even therapists who embrace E & RP like to

throw some traditional " feelings " stuff in there too for good measure. I

would keep an eye on this, don't let Tara's therapy head too far down the

path of feelings. OCD feels bad, it shouldn't take much therapy time to

validate that.

By the way, my daughter also felt it was mean to do anything to " hurt " OCD.

It was hard for her to begin to see OCD as the enemy rather than some poor

pitiful " creature " who was mean to her unintentionally. She also feared

E & RP may not work, and then OCD would get her back by becoming much worse.

> I will definately try to come back to the chat on Sunday. I noticed

> that thier was some trouble with the servers but enjoyed being

> there. My only problem is that I really sometimes have a hard time

> talking about it especially when other parents are going through way

> harder times. Then I feel as if I am whining and I don't want to do

> that but I will definately try to come to the chat again. I assume

> that Sunday is the only day for the chats?

Most of us take our turns whining and complaining, actually venting the

frustration of living with OCD is healthy and a great use of the list and

chat IMO. Sunday is the only scheduled chat, but the chat function is there

24/7 if you can connect with someone and suggest going there.

Kathy R. in Indiana

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Hi, .

Seeing the ENT on a regular basis definitely offers some much-needed relief. I wish I could say that these regular visits prevent recurrence, but even after regular visits, he still had recurrences (although they were minor, compared to the first one). I'm not sure if there is a way to prevent cholesteatoma from returning, except keeping the ear dry. Since the age of 3, my son has had approximately six recurrences (he is now 9). The majority of these surgeries were canal wall up's, so no cutting was necessary behind the ear (thanks goodness). The last recurrence was several months ago, and the cholesteatoma was so small, the doctor removed it in his office (using numbing drops).

The more frequent the appointments, the better. It had been six months between appointments for Troy and six months was definitely too long. He had had some discharge and ended up on Cipro drops for several weeks. The doctor will see him again in three months and will continue to do so until necessary. I feel confident that with the shorter time frame, we are better off.

Take care,

Terri (mom of Troy)

-----Original Message-----From: Burnett [mailto:davidb@...]Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 5:07 PMcholesteatoma Subject: Thanks for your helpI am a new member to this group and have been "eavesdropping" for about a month. My 15 year old son had a tympanoplasty with ossicular reconstruction when he was about 7. This past Thursday he had a mastoidectomy and it seemed to go great. Great from the standpoint the cholsteatoma is out and he's doing well. He will have roughly 50% hearing loss, but doesn't seem to be in any discomfort and his attitude is good. After the procedure when he was 7 I just did not have a good understanding of this entire thing. I've used this group to gather a lot of informaiton this last month and it is very helpful. It's given me a number of quesitons I have asked and will ask at his post-op appointment. I do have one question. I feel some relief that he will have to undergo periodic examinations/cleanings at his ENT's office from the standpoint this won't sneak up on him in the future. Am I correct? Will these appointments prevent recurrence or just minimize the chances? Thank you all again.

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Hi ,

I had a CWD surgery on my right ear 32 yrs ago and have had no recurrence of ctoma. I have regular exams and cleanings and I keep the ear dry. I had a CWD on my left ear 2 yrs ago and have had no recurrence there either. I see my Otologist every 4 to 6 months. Even though it has been so many years since my surgery on the right ear, I still maintain the appointments so that if there is a recurrence, it can be spotted as soon as possible.

Ilona

Burnett <davidb@...> wrote:

I am a new member to this group and have been "eavesdropping" for about a month. My 15 year old son had a tympanoplasty with ossicular reconstruction when he was about 7. This past Thursday he had a mastoidectomy and it seemed to go great. Great from the standpoint the cholsteatoma is out and he's doing well. He will have roughly 50% hearing loss, but doesn't seem to be in any discomfort and his attitude is good. After the procedure when he was 7 I just did not have a good understanding of this entire thing. I've used this group to gather a lot of informaiton this last month and it is very helpful. It's given me a number of quesitons I have asked and will ask at his post-op appointment. I do have one question. I feel some relief that he will have to undergo periodic examinations/cleanings at his ENT's office from the standpoint this won't sneak up on him in the future. Am I correct? Will these appointments prevent recurrence or just minimize the chances? Thank you all again.

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Hi ,

Welcome, and sorry you need to be here! :)

Yes, your son should have periodic checkups at the ENT's, regular doc's

don't really know what to look for. If the C-toma comes back the sooner they

diagnose it the less damage it would cause.The doc may choose to put tube's

in which is somewhat controversial. The idea would be to keep the eardrum

from retracting, but some say it helps start c-tomas.

Jane

>From: " Burnett " <davidb@...>

>Reply-cholesteatoma

>cholesteatoma

>Subject: Thanks for your help

>Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:06:44 -0000

>

>I am a new member to this group and have been " eavesdropping " for

>about a month. My 15 year old son had a tympanoplasty with ossicular

>reconstruction when he was about 7. This past Thursday he had a

>mastoidectomy and it seemed to go great. Great from the standpoint

>the cholsteatoma is out and he's doing well. He will have roughly

>50% hearing loss, but doesn't seem to be in any discomfort and his

>attitude is good. After the procedure when he was 7 I just did not

>have a good understanding of this entire thing. I've used this group

>to gather a lot of informaiton this last month and it is very

>helpful. It's given me a number of quesitons I have asked and will

>ask at his post-op appointment. I do have one question. I feel some

>relief that he will have to undergo periodic examinations/cleanings

>at his ENT's office from the standpoint this won't sneak up on him in

>the future. Am I correct? Will these appointments prevent

>recurrence or just minimize the chances? Thank you all again.

>

>

>

>

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