ldn and alcohol

[Guest guest]

Jacinta would have my life if she knew I posted that video so I

will remove it in a day or so. You must remember that some people do get very

sick if they drink while on LDN as Dr Skip points out. Jacinta might have a

drink only on special occasions and yesterday was our baby sons 14 birthday.

Jacinta stayed in bed all day today not feeling to well LOL.

If you are going to have a drink, just try one or two first and

see how you get on. NEVER drink a few drinks after taking LDN, it will have no effect

and you may end up drinking too much and going yourself harm

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Donnelly

Sent: 20 January 2011 01:03

' Baker'; low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and Alcohol

26 months on LDN ..Life Saving

6 cans of Budwiser ....Priceless

Please note the following video was

taken last night and is a rare occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLSHjizeDY

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Baker

Sent: 20 January 2011 00:47

low dose naltrexone

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and Alcohol

Skipping the LDN is not the answer. Many people can have some alcohol with

no problems. Some people believe that no one should ever drink alcohol,

ever, whether for health or moral reasons, and will always argue that no

one should drink on LDN. The most conservative (in the sense of cautious)

answer is not to drink at all. The practical answer is, if you want to,

have one drink and see how you feel. A small percentage of people can't

tolerate alcohol while taking LDN. If you're one, you'll know right away

because you'll throw up. But that's the extent of it as far as LDN goes.

Obviously we're talking about social drinking, not alcoholism. And whether

your overall health might be better without any alcohol at all is up to you

to determine. Research shows that moderate alcohol intake either enhances

or is neutral in its effect on lifespan. We definitely know that humans

have been fermenting fruit and then grains since the cave days, and some

animals seek out fermented fruit.

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At 05:21 PM 1/19/2011, you wrote:

>Here we go again. This question comes up every now and again and there are

>always one or two people who NEVER drink looking down their nose in

>judgment at people who do.

>

>Look, for the record, I am a moderate drinker. I drink 2 glasses of wine

>every night and when I go out with my friends, I've had as many as 4 stiff

>drinks. I have NEVER had a problem with LDN and liquor. My suggestion is

>try one drink and see what happens. If you are afraid something

>catastrophic is going to happen, then don't do it.

>

>

> >

> > I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while

> using LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days

> when alcohol is used?

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I love your response!!!! Here we go again!! LOL

I have a glass of wine a couple of nights a week. I've done this while taking LDN and when I didn't take it. Guess what?....No difference.

TorreyPresidentNational Tick-Borne Disease Advocates

Re: LDN and Alcohol

Posted by: "marlaprendergast" kws11@... marlaprendergast

Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:21 pm (PST)

Here we go again. This question comes up every now and again and there are always one or two people who NEVER drink looking down their nose in judgment at people who do. Look, for the record, I am a moderate drinker. I drink 2 glasses of wine every night and when I go out with my friends, I've had as many as 4 stiff drinks. I have NEVER had a problem with LDN and liquor. My suggestion is try one drink and see what happens. If you are afraid something catastrophic is going to happen, then don't do it.>> I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while using LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days when alcohol is used?

[Guest guest]

I drink wine moderately, and do not notice anything while taking LDN. I do

try to keep a nice buffer between when i take LDN and my last glass of wine.

I seldom get drunk, those times I have, i have also skipped the dose that night.

There is no textbook answer here, we are all different, and react to things

differently. If you are afraid of mixing the two, don't. It's always your own

choice.

KTP

> >

> > I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while using

LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days when alcohol

is used?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am actually the person that has been accused of being morally against alcohol, which is absolutely not true. Here are the facts, not opinion, just prior to the First Annual Conference on LDN in 09, I got a call from a lady who had just experienced PROJECTILE VOMITING. (Think the Exorcist and pea soap.) A glass of wine and LDN made her extremely ill. OK, so we know why this happened. Off I go to the conference and the last night I was sitting with all of the LDN bigwigs at an after conference dinner. Half of the group ordered alcohol and half didn't. No apparent sickness was observed.

NOW. I am legally responsible for the advice I give. I am not just some Internet wonk who can spout crap and not be held responsible for it. Knowing what I know, I can't say that its ok. So no morality or value judgement, just plain fact. I recommend NO alcohol. The literature recommends no alcohol, and everything I know about the pharmacology recommends no alcohol. Now you are going to get stories, as seen here, about people who drink. Good luck to them, and hopefully they will continue to be lucky. The one question I have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if you have a neurological disease?

Dr.Skip

[Guest guest]

I have the occasional glass of wine without any problem, but I must admit my

desire for alcoholic drinks is not very high, lower than before I believe. So

in my case it seems to be self-limiting. (One or two glasses a weekend, it

seems)

Silvia (PPMS, LDN for 2 years)

>

> I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while using

LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days when alcohol

is used?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Skip,

Just to be clear, I used the word " morally " in relation to objections some

people have expressed on this list about alcohol use. I wasn't referring

to you. I also used the term " for health reasons " , and was thinking of you.

Thank you for all you do for the LDN community. Wishing you continued best

health.

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At 12:27 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote:

>I am actually the person that has been accused of being morally against

>alcohol, which is absolutely not true. Here are the facts, not opinion,

>just prior to the First Annual Conference on LDN in 09, I got a call from

>a lady who had just experienced PROJECTILE VOMITING. (Think the Exorcist

>and pea soap.) A glass of wine and LDN made her extremely ill. OK, so we

>know why this happened. Off I go to the conference and the last night I

>was sitting with all of the LDN bigwigs at an after conference

>dinner. Half of the group ordered alcohol and half didn't. No apparent

>sickness was observed.

>NOW. I am legally responsible for the advice I give. I am not just some

>Internet wonk who can spout crap and not be held responsible for

>it. Knowing what I know, I can't say that its ok. So no morality or

>value judgement, just plain fact. I recommend NO alcohol. The

>literature recommends no alcohol, and everything I know about the

>pharmacology recommends no alcohol. Now you are going to get stories, as

>seen here, about people who drink. Good luck to them, and hopefully they

>will continue to be lucky. The one question I have is why would you

>knowingly consume a neurotoxin if you have a neurological disease?

>Dr.Skip

>

>

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

dr.skip - agree individual choice - i have ms and started ldn 8 weeks ago with no alcohol, for me no alochol improved my mobility/ms and made the ldn more effective

you are the sum of your own choices

brgds peter

From: "skipthepharm@..." <skipthepharm@...>low dose naltrexone Sent: Thu, 20 January, 2011 18:27:27Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and Alcohol

I am actually the person that has been accused of being morally against alcohol, which is absolutely not true. Here are the facts, not opinion, just prior to the First Annual Conference on LDN in 09, I got a call from a lady who had just experienced PROJECTILE VOMITING. (Think the Exorcist and pea soap.) A glass of wine and LDN made her extremely ill. OK, so we know why this happened. Off I go to the conference and the last night I was sitting with all of the LDN bigwigs at an after conference dinner. Half of the group ordered alcohol and half didn't. No apparent sickness was observed.

NOW. I am legally responsible for the advice I give. I am not just some Internet wonk who can spout crap and not be held responsible for it. Knowing what I know, I can't say that its ok. So no morality or value judgement, just plain fact. I recommend NO alcohol. The literature recommends no alcohol, and everything I know about the pharmacology recommends no alcohol. Now you are going to get stories, as seen here, about people who drink. Good luck to them, and hopefully they will continue to be lucky. The one question I have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if you have a neurological disease?

Dr.Skip

[Guest guest]

I think it is wise to listen to Skip and stop going on about it, did you not read his last sentence? I dread reading these mails because of the arguments or disrespect about what Skip says,, he is the one who pays a bomb to come to the conferences all over the world, to listen to the various experiences of others and these are many, many thousands, so please give this one a rest for a while........

> one question I have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if you> have a neurological disease?> Dr.Skip>------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

So why did that happen? No offense, but I don't see a much of any medical

reasoning here, rather an incident report. How can you be so sure this is due

to LDN + a glass of wine? If this was likely to happen, shouldn't we all see a

lot more pea soup around the community?

Internet Wonk.

>

> I am actually the person that has been accused of being morally against

> alcohol, which is absolutely not true. Here are the facts, not opinion, just

> prior to the First Annual Conference on LDN in 09, I got a call from a lady

> who had just experienced PROJECTILE VOMITING. (Think the Exorcist and pea

> soap.) A glass of wine and LDN made her extremely ill. OK, so we know

> why this happened. Off I go to the conference and the last night I was

> sitting with all of the LDN bigwigs at an after conference dinner. Half of

the

> group ordered alcohol and half didn't. No apparent sickness was observed.

> NOW. I am legally responsible for the advice I give. I am not just some

> Internet wonk who can spout crap and not be held responsible for it.

> Knowing what I know, I can't say that its ok. So no morality or value

> judgement, just plain fact. I recommend NO alcohol. The literature

recommends no

> alcohol, and everything I know about the pharmacology recommends no

> alcohol. Now you are going to get stories, as seen here, about people who

> drink. Good luck to them, and hopefully they will continue to be lucky. The

> one question I have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if you

> have a neurological disease?

> Dr.Skip

>

[Guest guest]

To be honest I have kind of wondered about this myself.  It is the one and ONLY report I have heard/read of anyone having a problem.  And yet, does she know for absolute certain it was the LDN plus wine?  I have been violently ill before, because I was, well ill - flu, food poisoning, etc.  Over and over when this issue comes up people report not having issues with normal social drinking and LDN.

 

Peace,

 

Jaxi

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Kjell <kjelltp@...> wrote:

So why did that happen? No offense, but I don't see a much of any medical reasoning here, rather an incident report.   How can you be so sure this is due to LDN + a glass of wine? If this was likely to happen, shouldn't we all see a lot more pea soup around the community?

Internet Wonk.>> I am actually the person that has been accused of being morally against

> alcohol, which is absolutely not true.  Here are the facts, not opinion,  just> prior to the First Annual Conference on LDN in 09, I got a call from a lady>  who had just experienced PROJECTILE VOMITING.  (Think the Exorcist and pea

>  soap.)  A glass of wine and LDN made her extremely ill.  OK, so we  know> why this happened.  Off I go to the conference and the last night I  was> sitting with all of the LDN bigwigs at an after conference dinner.   Half of the

> group ordered alcohol and half didn't.  No apparent sickness  was observed.> NOW.  I am legally responsible for the advice I give.  I am not  just some> Internet wonk who can spout crap and not be held responsible for  it.

> Knowing what I know, I can't say that its ok.  So no morality or  value> judgement, just plain fact.  I recommend NO  alcohol.    The literature recommends no> alcohol, and everything  I know about the pharmacology recommends no

> alcohol.   Now you are  going to get stories, as seen here, about people who> drink.  Good luck to  them, and hopefully they will continue to be lucky.  The> one question I  have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if you

> have a neurological  disease?> Dr.Skip>------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Let's not forget besides drinking alcohol, seriously ill people also continue to

smoke cigarettes, take illicit drugs, eat unhealthy junk food, stay up late at

night, engage in risky lifestyles and don't exercise. This is behavior from

people who want to improve their health?

Art

" If I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of

myself. "

>

> I think it is wise to listen to Skip and stop going on about it, did you not

read his last sentence? I dread reading these mails because of the arguments or

disrespect about what Skip says,, he is the one who pays a bomb to come to the

conferences all over the world, to listen to the various experiences of others

and these are many, many thousands, so please give this one a rest for a

while........

>

>

>

> > one question I have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if

you

> > have a neurological disease?

> > Dr.Skip

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Art that is not fair.  There is a lot of research in recent years about a glass or two of red wine being " good " for your health.  And people who are used to being able to engage in social drinking are not being unreasonable to wonder about being able to continue to do so.  It is not fair to lump that in with the rest of the stuff you mentioned.  We are talking about reasonable social drinking, not chronic alcoholism.

And no disrespect is intended towards Dr Skip whom I think highly of.  I just wonder that that one report is the only one I have ever heard/read of a bad reaction with alcohol and thus I wonder how sure the person and Dr Skip are that it was the combo.  But I also know people are unique.  I used to have a side effect to feldene that was not in the PDR so initially the doc disregarded my belief that the med was causing the symptom.  I was able to prove it.  No med no symptom, med and the symptom appeared.  I also know of people who just happened to get ill around the time they consumed something (example - BBQ or pizza) and because they got ill just after (flu sort of thing) they associate it with the food and will no longer consume that food.  If I got projectile vomiting sick and my belief was it was a combo of LDN and alcohol I doubt I personally would be brave enough to test the theory again.  But it might have been coincidence and the person was getting sick anyway.  

That was what I was driving at.I have never smoked or taken illicit drugs.  I eat organic, free range, etc foods.  My version of " junk food " (ie snacks) would even be considered nauseatingly healthy by most.  I have made an effort to improve my health and lost 40 lbs over the last year.  I exercise.  I do not engage in a risky life style.  

I also on infrequent (couple times a year) occasions enjoy having a drink or two with friends.  So I guess you can make whatever judgement you want regarding that.Jaxi

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:25 PM, art_ldn <rtee54@...> wrote:

Let's not forget besides drinking alcohol, seriously ill people also continue to smoke cigarettes, take illicit drugs, eat unhealthy junk food, stay up late at night, engage in risky lifestyles and don't exercise. This is behavior from people who want to improve their health?

Art

" If I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself. "

>

> I think it is wise to listen to Skip and stop going on about it, did you not read his last sentence? I dread reading these mails because of the arguments or  disrespect about  what Skip says,, he is the one who pays a bomb to come to the conferences all over the world, to listen to the various experiences of others and these are many, many thousands, so please give this one a rest for a while........

>

>

>

>   > one question I  have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if you

>   > have a neurological  disease?

>   > Dr.Skip

>   >

>

>

>

>

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>  

[Guest guest]

Although I hesitate to enter this discussion - I wanted to respond specifically because of Jaxi's point that there is not much on the boards about people becoming ill and projectile vomiting after consuming alcohol and taking LDN. I have read the discussions about alcohol that pop up on the boards every couple of months or so (I am a lurker rather than a poster) and I have responded individually to posts rather than on the boards concerning this and other issues.

Background: I have Crohn's and have taken LDN for almost three years. My Crohn's is fully in remission and LDN is responsible for that remission.

I am a social drinker and I drink two or three nights a week. My normal consumption when I do drink is one before dinner cocktail (vodka and cranberry) and one or two glasses of red wine with dinner. Three times I have exceeded that level of consumption and taken my nightly LDN. Each of these three times, I have become very ill during the night with violent vomiting and very painful stomach cramps. While it did no permanent damage - it did make for a very miserable couple of hours during the night. It honestly did not occur to me until the third time that I had consumed more than my normal amount of alcohol and then taken LDN. Especially because when I started LDN, I was unaware of the warning to avoid alcohol when taking LDN. Once it did occur to me, I skipped taking LDN on the very rare occasions that I consumed more alcohol than normal. After I did that, I have never had problems again.

So, I do believe that some level of alcohol may cause problems while taking LDN. I also believe that that level is an individual thing. With me, it is anything over three drinks in one evening - no matter how spread out these drinks are over time. With someone else - who knows - it may be one drink or it may be never.

Like the original poster who started this round of discussions, I truly enjoy wine with my dinner and I would hate to give that pleasure up so I understand the desire to have this question answered definitively. I also understand the people who wish to abstain from alcohol if there is a danger that it may make you sick. It is a very personal decision.

If you don't drink - you will have no risk of becoming ill from the combination of alcohol and LDN. If you are willing to risk becoming ill and drinking is a pleasure that you do not wish to give up - start very slowly and work your way up. If you have a considerable amount of alcohol in one night - skip that night's dose of LDN. But, don't do this very often as LDN needs to be taken consistently (again - this is my opinion, not fact).

This is ONLY my experience and should not be taken as advice to drink or not to drink. That is your decision. I only want to share my personal experience with the issue in the hopes that it will help others.

[Guest guest]

I do not see any causal connection between the glass of wine and the vomiting.

And the fact that the LDN " bigwigs " drank and did not vomit is even more of an

argument that there is no causal connection.

> > >

> > > I am actually the person that has been accused of being morally against

> > > alcohol, which is absolutely not true. Here are the facts, not opinion,

> > just

> > > prior to the First Annual Conference on LDN in 09, I got a call from a

> > lady

> > > who had just experienced PROJECTILE VOMITING. (Think the Exorcist and

> > pea

> > > soap.) A glass of wine and LDN made her extremely ill. OK, so we know

> > > why this happened. Off I go to the conference and the last night I was

> > > sitting with all of the LDN bigwigs at an after conference dinner. Half

> > of the

> > > group ordered alcohol and half didn't. No apparent sickness was

> > observed.

> > > NOW. I am legally responsible for the advice I give. I am not just

> > some

> > > Internet wonk who can spout crap and not be held responsible for it.

> > > Knowing what I know, I can't say that its ok. So no morality or value

> > > judgement, just plain fact. I recommend NO alcohol. The literature

> > recommends no

> > > alcohol, and everything I know about the pharmacology recommends no

> > > alcohol. Now you are going to get stories, as seen here, about people

> > who

> > > drink. Good luck to them, and hopefully they will continue to be lucky.

> > The

> > > one question I have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if

> > you

> > > have a neurological disease?

> > > Dr.Skip

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have been prescribed LDN by two doctors. I asked both about alcohol. Both said

there was no problem.

>

> I think it is wise to listen to Skip and stop going on about it, did you not

read his last sentence? I dread reading these mails because of the arguments or

disrespect about what Skip says,, he is the one who pays a bomb to come to the

conferences all over the world, to listen to the various experiences of others

and these are many, many thousands, so please give this one a rest for a

while........

>

>

>

> > one question I have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if

you

> > have a neurological disease?

> > Dr.Skip

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure why you are lumping in alcohol with these behaviors. It is practically

undisputed that moderate consumption is good for your health, particularly your

heart. It's OK if you want to be a teetotaller but please don't cast such a

negative light on a practice that has existed since biblical times and earlier.

> >

> > I think it is wise to listen to Skip and stop going on about it, did you not

read his last sentence? I dread reading these mails because of the arguments or

disrespect about what Skip says,, he is the one who pays a bomb to come to the

conferences all over the world, to listen to the various experiences of others

and these are many, many thousands, so please give this one a rest for a

while........

> >

> >

> >

> > > one question I have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if

you

> > > have a neurological disease?

> > > Dr.Skip

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I would just point out that many people, if they exceeded 3 drinks in one night,

might become violently ill with projectile vomiting. I don't see what the

connection is with LDN however.

>

>

> Although I hesitate to enter this discussion - I wanted to respond

specifically because of Jaxi's point that there is not much on the boards about

people becoming ill and projectile vomiting after consuming alcohol and taking

LDN. I have read the discussions about alcohol that pop up on the boards every

couple of months or so (I am a lurker rather than a poster) and I have responded

individually to posts rather than on the boards concerning this and other

issues.

>

> Background: I have Crohn's and have taken LDN for almost three years. My

Crohn's is fully in remission and LDN is responsible for that remission.

>

> I am a social drinker and I drink two or three nights a week. My normal

consumption when I do drink is one before dinner cocktail (vodka and cranberry)

and one or two glasses of red wine with dinner. Three times I have exceeded

that level of consumption and taken my nightly LDN. Each of these three times,

I have become very ill during the night with violent vomiting and very painful

stomach cramps. While it did no permanent damage - it did make for a very

miserable couple of hours during the night. It honestly did not occur to me

until the third time that I had consumed more than my normal amount of alcohol

and then taken LDN. Especially because when I started LDN, I was unaware of the

warning to avoid alcohol when taking LDN. Once it did occur to me, I skipped

taking LDN on the very rare occasions that I consumed more alcohol than normal.

After I did that, I have never had problems again.

>

> So, I do believe that some level of alcohol may cause problems while taking

LDN. I also believe that that level is an individual thing. With me, it is

anything over three drinks in one evening - no matter how spread out these

drinks are over time. With someone else - who knows - it may be one drink or it

may be never.

>

> Like the original poster who started this round of discussions, I truly enjoy

wine with my dinner and I would hate to give that pleasure up so I understand

the desire to have this question answered definitively. I also understand the

people who wish to abstain from alcohol if there is a danger that it may make

you sick. It is a very personal decision.

>

> If you don't drink - you will have no risk of becoming ill from the

combination of alcohol and LDN. If you are willing to risk becoming ill and

drinking is a pleasure that you do not wish to give up - start very slowly and

work your way up. If you have a considerable amount of alcohol in one night -

skip that night's dose of LDN. But, don't do this very often as LDN needs to be

taken consistently (again - this is my opinion, not fact).

>

> This is ONLY my experience and should not be taken as advice to drink or not

to drink. That is your decision. I only want to share my personal experience

with the issue in the hopes that it will help others.

>

[Guest guest]

From: alison_head@...To: kjelltp@...Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and AlcoholDate: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:45:36 +0000

And it's one instance...the only one I've ever heard of.I'm a wonk who drinks Wine maybe once, twice, three times a year with no ill effects. It's your choice. People die from lung disease but still smoke but I never read such heavy criticism.low dose naltrexone From: kjelltp@...Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:38:09 +0000Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and Alcohol

So why did that happen? No offense, but I don't see a much of any medical reasoning here, rather an incident report. How can you be so sure this is due to LDN + a glass of wine? If this was likely to happen, shouldn't we all see a lot more pea soup around the community?

Internet Wonk.

>

> I am actually the person that has been accused of being morally against

> alcohol, which is absolutely not true. Here are the facts, not opinion, just

> prior to the First Annual Conference on LDN in 09, I got a call from a lady

> who had just experienced PROJECTILE VOMITING. (Think the Exorcist and pea

> soap.) A glass of wine and LDN made her extremely ill. OK, so we know

> why this happened. Off I go to the conference and the last night I was

> sitting with all of the LDN bigwigs at an after conference dinner. Half of the

> group ordered alcohol and half didn't. No apparent sickness was observed.

> NOW. I am legally responsible for the advice I give. I am not just some

> Internet wonk who can spout crap and not be held responsible for it.

> Knowing what I know, I can't say that its ok. So no morality or value

> judgement, just plain fact. I recommend NO alcohol. The literature recommends no

> alcohol, and everything I know about the pharmacology recommends no

> alcohol. Now you are going to get stories, as seen here, about people who

> drink. Good luck to them, and hopefully they will continue to be lucky. The

> one question I have is why would you knowingly consume a neurotoxin if you

> have a neurological disease?

> Dr.Skip

>