ldn and alcohol

February 24, 2010

I very seldom drink heavily anymore, but I do have some wine now and then on

weekends (1-3 glasses) and have not noticed anything odd nor bad hangovers.

February 25, 2010

I have seen this asked many times on this list and the quote below is the first

time that I have seen this response. Even in the tests with the high doses

prescribed for alcoholism, projectile vomiting is not listed as a side effect.

Are you sure that he is not talking about Anabuse? Every message that I have

seen from LDN users on this list answer the same that I would . . . " I have

occasionally had a drink or two and have seen no effect from it combined with

LDN. "

Is there anybody here who has personally experienced such a reaction, not just

heard third hand?

Francie

>

> In regard to alcohol consumption concurrent with taking LDN, Dr. Skip Lenz, a

Florida pharmacist, has this to say:

> One of the uses of LDN is to help alcoholics get off the juice. You should

never use alcohol and LDN at the same time. Now, there will be folks who say

they always have had a drink with no problems; on the other side of the coin, I

know of several dozen cases where the patient has had projectile vomiting.

March 1, 2010

This is exaclty the point. Its interesting how things get filitered but here is the story: Last year the day before I went to Scotland for the conference, I got a call from a lady that:

1. doesn't usually drink much ie a couple glasses of wine a week.

2. started on ldn, stopped alcohol.

3 2 months later, at 4.5mg, had a glass of wine and had projectile vomiting. don't care what the "books" say, I am just reporting what I heard, directly from the lady.

4. went to scotland and sat around a table of the "big wigs" who were all drinking. I stepped back waiting for the show to begin. Nothing happened.

5. I am a licesned professional, what i say actually matters from a legal perspective, what I say matter from a moral point of view, don't drink. you might get really sick. for those of you who drink, that's YOUR call, but lets say that you tell some one that its ok, when its not, and that person gets sick, No sweat off your butt, but the person affected is not happy and YOU created that problem. so you want to drink fine, its your butt, but just because you think you Know something, doesn't mean its true. True for what I say, yes, but if you follow my advice you won't get sick.

Dr.Skip

March 1, 2010

Why will it diminish the effect of LDN? Please explain. I don't drink

very often but there are certain situations in which I still enjoy a

glass of red wine or two and for the past 6+ years I've been using LDN

the LDN use hasn't stopped me enjoying, though possibly has reduced my

desire for alcohol (which was never big anyway).

bicyclenutmail-ldn@... wrote:

If 50 mg ldn and alcohol makes one sick than it stands to

reason that alcohol will diminish the effect of ldn. Why drink and take

ldn or why take ldn and drink??

March 1, 2010

According to Drug Information Handbook (very popular pharmacists reference book) time Naltrexone works in the body depends on the dose. 50 mg works for 24hrs,100 mg for 48,

150mg for 72hrs. Based on that in people with normal liver function dose less than 4.5mg taken at night should not be in the system by the morning. Theoretically drinks taken next day should not cause negative effect. Again it is in theory, some people may me more sensative than others, and if it does cause opioid withrowal effect it can be pretty bad: uncontroled vomiting for hours. People with liver problems on LDN should not attempt drinking for sure. Taking LDN night after drinking I think can cause more problems. Alcohol works on the same opioid receptors, so LDN taken after alcohol may be not as effective and again can cause withdrowal effect in some people. I guess Dr.Skip is right, the safest way is not to drink while on LDN.

March 1, 2010

Point taken but speaking for myself, if I can't enjoy a glass of wine with this

miserable disease which I have suffered for years and

years, what else is there for me to look forward to. I, for one, have not had

any problems with a drink in the evenings and as you say,

it's my call and my butt. If it did make me sick, then I would have to either

give up the alcohol or the LDN. Unfortunately for me, LDN

has not yet made any difference to my health since starting it in September 2009

but I remain optimistic that even if my symptoms have not

improved, it may have stopped the progression of the disease. That's something

that will be difficult to find out unless I have regular

MRI scans which I know my Doctor would not be willing to sanction.

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Message Received: Mar 01 2010, 04:19 PM

From: slenzrph@...

low dose naltrexone

Cc:

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and alcohol

This is exaclty the point. Its interesting how things get filitered but

here is the story: Last year the day before I went to Scotland for the

conference, I got a call from a lady that:

1. doesn't usually drink much ie a couple glasses of wine a week.

2. started on ldn, stopped alcohol.

3 2 months later, at 4.5mg, had a glass of wine and had projectile

vomiting. don't care what the " books " say, I am just reporting what I heard,

directly from the lady.

4. went to scotland and sat around a table of the " big wigs " who were all

drinking. I stepped back waiting for the show to begin. Nothing happened.

5. I am a licesned professional, what i say actually matters from a legal

perspective, what I say matter from a moral point of view, don't drink.

you might get really sick. for those of you who drink, that's YOUR call,

but lets say that you tell some one that its ok, when its not, and that

person gets sick, No sweat off your butt, but the person affected is not

happy and YOU created that problem. so you want to drink fine, its your butt,

but just because you think you Know something, doesn't mean its true.

True for what I say, yes, but if you follow my advice you won't get sick.

Dr.Skip

March 1, 2010

The fact that LDN did not help you with your condition could be due to the fact that you are drinking in the evening. Alcohol works on the same receptors as LDN,opioid receptors. If you already blocked them with alcohol how LDN would work? Of course it is your call, but I would try not to drink for a couple of months and see what happens. Who knows,you may be pleasantly surprised. Also doing MRI often is expensive and really bad for you. MRI creates very strong magnetic field and if you expose your body to it often bad things like cancer could develop. I think your doctor is right not to allow that. Best of luck and stay healthy.

March 1, 2010

Skip,

I agree better safe than sorry!<gr>

But again, “to each his own”!<gr> . Each person

is different but it’s good that you give the “heads up” so if

these side effects occur even on 1 drink in a millennium<gr> , it’s

on that individual person to deal with the consequences!<gr>

If the daily drinker is willing to take the risk, it’s

on him(her)!!!

Regards,

Pat

March 1, 2010

That actually is completely fascinating, Anita, thank you. There is

something wrong with the link you gave, but I searched that site and got a

good one:

http://ezinearticles.com/?Alcohol,-Naltrexone,-and-the-Magic-of-Pharmacological-\

Extinction & id=2441191

This gives me more insight into Naltrexone and the Sinclair Method sounds

like a winner. I didn't know that Naltrexone had such a low success rate

when used as the FDA prescribes for alcoholism. But the Sinclair Method has

a super high rate of success.

Rightly or wrongly, I've drunk alcohol a few times since I started

LDN. I'm not a daily or even a weekly drinker at this point in my life

because I know for sure it exacerbates my fibromyalgia and it's not worth

it, still, occasionally, would like to have a social drink. My experience

is that I don't feel the alcohol like I used to-- I've always been a cheap

drunk, took very little and had a low tolerance. For instance I had one

beer at a big social event yesterday, and didn't even feel it until I got a

headache later in the day. I'm wondering if that means that my endorphins

are blocked all the time, and I'm wondering if I might consider going back

down to 3.0mg LDN. And, I'm now convinced there's really no point in

having a drink since I don't feel anything but the negative side.

btw I don't think a recommendation against drinking by a doctor of pharmacy

based on liability or health reasons would mean said pharmacist wasn't a

very fine person in all respects. Alcohol has a lot of cultural baggage and

rightly so. People would be a lot better off using cannabis for social

relaxation since it has definite medical benefits. If only our culture

were not so backward.

best wishes,

--

>Sorry, I forgot to add the Sinclair Method web

>address.

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l-Extinction & id=244119>http://ezinearticles.com/?Alcohol,-Naltrexone,-and-the-Ma\

gic-of-Pharmacological-Extinction & id=244119

>

>I don't drink, smoke, do drugs or use vulgar language like Art does :

>) I really don't need to know if a person can drink alcohol & use LDN.

>I just found the question interesting since

>

>my doctor told me definitely not to drink. The reason I brought up the

>Sinclair Method is that Dr. Sinclair tells his alcoholic patients to take

>50 mg of Naltrexone one hour before they drink alcohol...

>

>every time they drink. I'm thinking this isn't making them feel awful or

>no one would stick to the program. It just lessens the effect of the

>alcohol. So maybe drinking might not give you an awful

>

>headache or make you vomit. Still, I can't see how alcohol could help

>anyone who is fighting a chronic debilitating disease. But, to each his own.

>

>Anita

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

March 1, 2010

I think Dr. Skip's point is, as a mailing list with an ethical

responsibility to our members, it would be more in the service of our

members to simply state Dr. Skip's advice and leave it at that. It's true

that I definitely do not want to be the source of someone's suffering, and

I think there is a pretty good argument to be made that daily alcohol

intake could well interfere with whether LDN accomplishes anything in the

body or not.

And believe me, I'm no Puritan. I'm one of those people who look at human

culture and sees that humans have an innate desire to alter our

consciousness. For that matter, so do a lot of other animals, including

primates and birds, who seek fermented fruits and other psychoactive

plants. So it's not from a moralizing standpoint that I urge us to take Dr

Skip's suggested policy seriously.

And you know, I didn't say this part in my previous post, but I've been

having a hard time surviving in the world lately and on Feb 2 I gave myself

permission to go out and get drunk, which I did. I didn't feel the alcohol

until I was way too far gone and drank about double my usual absolute

limit. I thought I was having a great time and got rowdy and probably

obnoxious, which I find embarrassing afterwards. But the honest truth

about the upshot is that it gave me a set of symptoms that have felt like a

bad fibromyalgia flare, and I'm just now starting to feel good again like I

had been after starting the LDN. Yes, the stress has been building and

building, but the drunk did not help me even tho at the time I thought I

deserved to blow off steam, and sure of course I deserve to blow off steam

but it really caused me a setback that I regret. So there's my full

disclosure. Hark back to my second paragraph if you have any trouble

understanding where I'm coming from with this.

--

>Point taken but speaking for myself, if I can't enjoy a glass of wine with

>this miserable disease which I have suffered for years and

>years, what else is there for me to look forward to. I, for one, have not

>had any problems with a drink in the evenings and as you say,

>it's my call and my butt. If it did make me sick, then I would have to

>either give up the alcohol or the LDN. Unfortunately for me, LDN

>has not yet made any difference to my health since starting it in

>September 2009 but I remain optimistic that even if my symptoms have not

>improved, it may have stopped the progression of the disease. That's

>something that will be difficult to find out unless I have regular

>MRI scans which I know my Doctor would not be willing to sanction.

>

>========================================

> Message Received: Mar 01 2010, 04:19 PM

> From: slenzrph@...

> low dose naltrexone

> Cc:

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and alcohol

>

> This is exaclty the point. Its interesting how things get filitered but

> here is the story: Last year the day before I went to Scotland for the

> conference, I got a call from a lady that:

> 1. doesn't usually drink much ie a couple glasses of wine a week.

> 2. started on ldn, stopped alcohol.

> 3 2 months later, at 4.5mg, had a glass of wine and had projectile

> vomiting. don't care what the " books " say, I am just reporting what

> I heard,

> directly from the lady.

> 4. went to scotland and sat around a table of the " big wigs " who were all

> drinking. I stepped back waiting for the show to begin. Nothing happened.

> 5. I am a licesned professional, what i say actually matters from a legal

> perspective, what I say matter from a moral point of view, don't drink.

> you might get really sick. for those of you who drink, that's YOUR

> call,

> but lets say that you tell some one that its ok, when its not, and that

> person gets sick, No sweat off your butt, but the person affected is not

> happy and YOU created that problem. so you want to drink fine, its

> your butt,

> but just because you think you Know something, doesn't mean its true.

> True for what I say, yes, but if you follow my advice you won't get sick.

> Dr.Skip

>

>------------------------------------

>

March 2, 2010

And I think a great part of why this is such a hot topic is that for most of us,

LDN is a lifetime medication. So to just tell someone, oh by the way, you can

never take another drop of alcohol again is a bit hard to take, especially if

the person has been having their wine for years on LDN without a problem. I'd

have the same difficulty if someone said Marla, you can never have a bite of

chocolate again, or you can never again go out in the sun, or swim in the ocean,

or any number of things that we enjoy and have enjoyed all our lives.

>

> Point taken but speaking for myself, if I can't enjoy a glass of wine with

this miserable disease which I have suffered for years and

> years, what else is there for me to look forward to. I, for one, have not had

any problems with a drink in the evenings and as you say,

> it's my call and my butt. If it did make me sick, then I would have to either

give up the alcohol or the LDN. Unfortunately for me, LDN

> has not yet made any difference to my health since starting it in September

2009 but I remain optimistic that even if my symptoms have not

> improved, it may have stopped the progression of the disease. That's something

that will be difficult to find out unless I have regular

> MRI scans which I know my Doctor would not be willing to sanction.

>

> ========================================

> Message Received: Mar 01 2010, 04:19 PM

> From: slenzrph@...

> low dose naltrexone

> Cc:

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and alcohol

>

> This is exaclty the point. Its interesting how things get filitered but

> here is the story: Last year the day before I went to Scotland for the

> conference, I got a call from a lady that:

> 1. doesn't usually drink much ie a couple glasses of wine a week.

> 2. started on ldn, stopped alcohol.

> 3 2 months later, at 4.5mg, had a glass of wine and had projectile

> vomiting. don't care what the " books " say, I am just reporting what I

heard,

> directly from the lady.

> 4. went to scotland and sat around a table of the " big wigs " who were all

> drinking. I stepped back waiting for the show to begin. Nothing happened.

> 5. I am a licesned professional, what i say actually matters from a legal

> perspective, what I say matter from a moral point of view, don't drink.

> you might get really sick. for those of you who drink, that's YOUR call,

> but lets say that you tell some one that its ok, when its not, and that

> person gets sick, No sweat off your butt, but the person affected is not

> happy and YOU created that problem. so you want to drink fine, its your

butt,

> but just because you think you Know something, doesn't mean its true.

> True for what I say, yes, but if you follow my advice you won't get sick.

> Dr.Skip

>

March 2, 2010

I called an alcohol/drug rehabilitation centre who use naltrexone as a

treatment. They told me it is safe to use alcohol and natlrexone at the same

time.

As far as making the LDN not work as well for autoimmune disease, i'm not sure.

But at least this means it's safe and likely that drinking once in a while won't

impact on the therapeutic effects of LDN

March 2, 2010

LDN at 3 mg has been very helpful for my plethora of illnesses....two biggies being MS/Chronic Lyme. I notice I do not feel well if I drink alcohol ie bourbon or scotch, but if I drink a dry red wine I am fine. Trial and error...I have found that if I want a drink it has to be a dry red wine. The most I drink is one glass 1-2 times a week. Some weeks I don't drink at all.

When people ask me can I drink and take LDN, I tell them both sides of the coin...it can be a very bad experience, or it will render the LDN to be ineffective, or it may work fine for the person....trial and error.

March 2, 2010

Hi ,

Although alcohol may bind to the same receptors as LDN, that may not matter if

naltrexone has a greater affinity for those receptors than ethanol. I don't know

if that's the case; I am only mentioning it as something to consider. In any

case, it is not a good idea to drink alcohol close to bedtime because it will

have a negative effect on the quality of one's sleep.

Phil

>

> The fact that LDN did not help you with your condition could be due to the

fact that you are drinking in the evening. Alcohol works on the same receptors

as LDN,opioid receptors. If you already blocked them with alcohol how LDN would

work?

>

March 26, 2010

I could use a glass or two of wine when I took 1.5mg ldn, but about a week after moving up to 3.0 mg ldn for my MS, I lost interest in wine, although I love it dearly, a sip or two now suffices for me. Last week at a party with fabulous wines I indulged in a couple of glasses throughout the evening, and it was not a pretty sight the next morning. I think the change in my desire/capacity for wine is related to increasing the ldn to 3.0mg.

June 15, 2010

Hi,

If I drink a 2-3 glasses of wine has anyone seen whether this has any

effect on LDN useage?

Thanks

Considering LDN

January 13, 2011

Wouldn't it be easier and wiser to skip the alcohol??

I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while using LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days when alcohol is used?

January 19, 2011

Hi All,

Dr. Lawrence suggests that if your having a drink then to take your LDN after,

i.e. When you've finished drinking. I do this and it's appears fine!

Regards .

January 19, 2011

Many of us tolerate a drink or two with LDN just fine. A few folks have had a negative response. I personally drink rarely but when I do I can have a drink or two and still take my LDN no problem.

I think some here even have a nightly glass of wine and still take their LDN no problem.

So ... basically I see it as the first time is the test ... are you one of the few who has trouble?

JM2C,

Jaxi

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:28 AM, lookonthebriteside <slehr05@...> wrote:

I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while using LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days when alcohol is used?

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January 19, 2011

Thanks, Jaxi,

I've not tried LDN yet, so I don't know how it will mix with alcohol. Before

placing my order, I was trying to figure out if I would have to give up having

about four drinks two nights per week when I go out...I don't enjoy much these

days (part of the reason I want to try LDN), and I would hate to have to give up

something I do actually enjoy.

Sherry

>

> > I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while using

> > LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days when

> > alcohol is used?

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

January 19, 2011

It works for me. I only drink very occasionally and when I do I skip LDN that night. Try it first at home before you go out. I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while using LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days when alcohol is used?

January 19, 2011

Here we go again. This question comes up every now and again and there are

always one or two people who NEVER drink looking down their nose in judgment at

people who do.

Look, for the record, I am a moderate drinker. I drink 2 glasses of wine every

night and when I go out with my friends, I've had as many as 4 stiff drinks. I

have NEVER had a problem with LDN and liquor. My suggestion is try one drink and

see what happens. If you are afraid something catastrophic is going to happen,

then don't do it.

>

> I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while using

LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days when alcohol

is used?

>

January 20, 2011

Skipping the LDN is not the answer. Many people can have some alcohol with

no problems. Some people believe that no one should ever drink alcohol,

ever, whether for health or moral reasons, and will always argue that no

one should drink on LDN. The most conservative (in the sense of cautious)

answer is not to drink at all. The practical answer is, if you want to,

have one drink and see how you feel. A small percentage of people can't

tolerate alcohol while taking LDN. If you're one, you'll know right away

because you'll throw up. But that's the extent of it as far as LDN goes.

Obviously we're talking about social drinking, not alcoholism. And whether

your overall health might be better without any alcohol at all is up to you

to determine. Research shows that moderate alcohol intake either enhances

or is neutral in its effect on lifespan. We definitely know that humans

have been fermenting fruit and then grains since the cave days, and some

animals seek out fermented fruit.

--

At 05:21 PM 1/19/2011, you wrote:

>Here we go again. This question comes up every now and again and there are

>always one or two people who NEVER drink looking down their nose in

>judgment at people who do.

>

>Look, for the record, I am a moderate drinker. I drink 2 glasses of wine

>every night and when I go out with my friends, I've had as many as 4 stiff

>drinks. I have NEVER had a problem with LDN and liquor. My suggestion is

>try one drink and see what happens. If you are afraid something

>catastrophic is going to happen, then don't do it.

>

> >

> > I've noticed on here that it's not suggested to consume alcohol while

> using LDN. Would it be alright to have alcohol but skip LDN doses on days

> when alcohol is used?

> >

>

>------------------------------------

>

January 20, 2011

26 months on LDN ..Life Saving

6 cans of Budwiser ....Priceless

Please note the following video was taken last night and is a

rare occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLSHjizeDY

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Baker

Sent: 20 January 2011 00:47

low dose naltrexone

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and Alcohol

Skipping the LDN is not the answer. Many people

can have some alcohol with