Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

[Guest guest]

the arthritis org. recommends high dose fish oil at 2.6 grams 2x day or 5.2 grams daily

Dr. Barry Sears , author of the anti -inflammation diet recommends 7.5 grams fish oil for 30 days for anyone with a chronic autoimmune condition such as RA and then go down from there after adopting his anti-inflammatory diet.

I take almost 5K IU Vit D3 supp for my RA along with 2.4 grams fish oil

I also eat salmon 3 days /wk and light non-albacure tuna 1 to 2 days /wk

Max Vit 3 daily should be no more than 10000 IU between suppl pills/food

I hope this helps

Pat

[low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?

Hi. Does anyone know the suggested amount of Vitamin D that we should be taking daily with LDN for Auto Immune Disorders and MS? What does Quinn recommend? Any other expert recommendations? I thought I read somewhere that it should be 5K-10K IU daily?I see Quinn and Terry Grossman (who originally prescribed LDN for me) will be speaking at the 2nd European LDN Conference on April 24th.

[Guest guest]

some people must be careful with such high doses of fish oil for internal bleeding.fish oil works also like blood thinner

[Guest guest]

I get my blood tested and try to maintain the vitamin D levels between 70 and 90.

Currently I am taking 5,000 ius of D3 daily.

mjh

From: rkymtnangel65 low dose naltrexone Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:19 PMSubject: [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount? Hi. Does anyone know the suggested amount of Vitamin D that we should be taking daily with LDN for Auto Immune Disorders and MS? What does Quinn recommend? Any other expert recommendations? I thought I read somewhere that it should be 5K-10K IU daily?I see Quinn and Terry Grossman (who originally prescribed LDN for me) will be speaking at the 2nd European LDN Conference on April 24th.

[Guest guest]

When taking high doses of Fish Oil make sure to check ammount of vitamin A in it. Some formulations have vitamin A added to it and in high doses it can be very toxic to liver. Also according to Dr.Mercola vitamin A interferes with absorbtion of vitamin D, so it is probably better to take fish oil and vitamin D separately at different times of the day. Also wild salmon is good , but tuna ,being big predator fish, have one of the highest mercury level. It is OK occasionally ,but on regular basis it is safer to eat smaller size fish. In addition fish oil is a blood thinner. It is not usually an issue for healthy people, but if someone have cardiac stent or circulations problems and taking Plavix and Aspirin, high dose of fish oil in addition to it could cause internal bleeding. For that reason if anybody is going to

have surgery, fish oil should be treated the same way aspirin does, and stopped few days before procedure. But if you are careful and use it right, high doses of Fish Oil is great antiinflamatory. Before I discovered LDN it helped me a lot with my Crohn's symptoms.

From: Pat <patinsall@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?low dose naltrexone , "rkymtnangel65" <rockymtnangel65@...>Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 6:41 PM

the arthritis org. recommends high dose fish oil at 2.6 grams 2x day or 5.2 grams daily

Dr. Barry Sears , author of the anti -inflammation diet recommends 7.5 grams fish oil for 30 days for anyone with a chronic autoimmune condition such as RA and then go down from there after adopting his anti-inflammatory diet.

I take almost 5K IU Vit D3 supp for my RA along with 2.4 grams fish oil

I also eat salmon 3 days /wk and light non-albacure tuna 1 to 2 days /wk

Max Vit 3 daily should be no more than 10000 IU between suppl pills/food

I hope this helps

Pat

[low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?

Hi. Does anyone know the suggested amount of Vitamin D that we should be taking daily with LDN for Auto Immune Disorders and MS? What does Quinn recommend? Any other expert recommendations? I thought I read somewhere that it should be 5K-10K IU daily?I see Quinn and Terry Grossman (who originally prescribed LDN for me) will be speaking at the 2nd European LDN Conference on April 24th.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Mercola does not recommend cod liver oil as most have high levels

of vitamin A relative to D. You can get what your body needs

of A in the form of beta carotene (e.g., in carrots) with which the body

makes A as needed. Most fish oils do not have significant amount of

A. If your eating enough greens for vitamin K, thinning blood shouldn't

be a problem when taking a couple of caps of fish oil daily if you're not on

thinning medication. I take fish oil and krill oil daily, never a problem.

To be prudent before surgery reduce or stop vit. E, Ginkgo, and fish oil.

Sokolin wrote:

>

>

> When taking high doses of Fish Oil make sure to check ammount of

> vitamin A in it. Some formulations have vitamin A added to it and in

> high doses it can be very toxic to liver. Also according to

> Dr.Mercola vitamin A interferes with absorbtion of vitamin D, so it is

> probably better to take fish oil and vitamin D separately at

> different times of the day. Also wild salmon is good , but tuna ,being

> big predator fish, have one of the highest mercury level. It is OK

> occasionally ,but on regular basis it is safer to eat smaller size

> fish. In addition fish oil is a blood thinner. It is not usually an

> issue for healthy people, but if someone have cardiac stent or

> circulations problems and taking Plavix and Aspirin, high dose of fish

> oil in addition to it could cause internal bleeding. For that reason

> if anybody is going to have surgery, fish oil should be treated the

> same way aspirin does, and stopped few days before procedure. But if

> you are careful and use it right, high doses of Fish Oil is great

> antiinflamatory. Before I discovered LDN it helped me a lot with my

> Crohn's symptoms.

>

>

>

>

> From: Pat <patinsall@...>

> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?

> low dose naltrexone , " rkymtnangel65 "

> <rockymtnangel65@...>

> Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 6:41 PM

>

>

> the arthritis org. recommends high dose fish oil at 2.6 grams 2x

> day or 5.2 grams daily

> Dr. Barry Sears , author of the anti -inflammation diet recommends

> 7.5 grams fish oil for 30 days for anyone with a chronic

> autoimmune condition such as RA and then go down from there after

> adopting his anti-inflammatory diet.

>

> I take almost 5K IU Vit D3 supp for my RA along with 2.4 grams

> fish oil

> I also eat salmon 3 days /wk and light non-albacure tuna 1 to 2

> days /wk

> Max Vit 3 daily should be no more than 10000 IU between suppl

> pills/food

> I hope this helps

> Pat

>

>

> * [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?

>

>

> Hi. Does anyone know the suggested amount of Vitamin D that we

> should be taking daily with LDN for Auto Immune Disorders and

> MS? What does Quinn recommend? Any other expert

> recommendations? I thought I read somewhere that it should be

> 5K-10K IU daily?

>

> I see Quinn and Terry Grossman (who originally

> prescribed LDN for me) will be speaking at the 2nd European

> LDN Conference on April 24th.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

people with thyroid problem and there are many who do not know that they have thyroid problems,do not convert beta carotene to vit a.they can see it on the orange sole of the feet and /or hands

[Guest guest]

Some 52 brands of fish oil has been tested and

free of mercury and other contaminants. It's your choice.

Most have EPA and DHA in OK proportions. Read the labels

for amounts of DHA and EPA. Buy a major brand.

Consumer Lab "extensively tested" 52 Omega-3 and fish oil

supplements, and every one was free of mercury.

Here's the testing that has been done by Consumer Lab:

Brulita wrote:

So, with thyroid disease (autoimmune Hashimotos) what fish oil brand/type recommended...?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Sturr <esturr@...> wrote:

Dr. Mercola does not recommend cod liver oil as most have high levels

of vitamin A relative to D. You can get what your body needs

of A in the form of beta carotene (e.g., in carrots) with which the body

makes A as needed. Most fish oils do not have significant amount of

A. If your eating enough greens for vitamin K, thinning blood shouldn't

be a problem when taking a couple of caps of fish oil daily if you're not on

thinning medication. I take fish oil and krill oil daily, never a problem.

To be prudent before surgery reduce or stop vit. E, Ginkgo, and fish oil.

Sokolin wrote:

When taking high doses of Fish Oil make sure to check ammount of vitamin A in it. Some formulations have vitamin A added to it and in high doses it can be very toxic to liver. Also according to Dr.Mercola vitamin A interferes with absorbtion of vitamin D, so it is probably better to take fish oil and vitamin D separately at different times of the day. Also wild salmon is good , but tuna ,being big predator fish, have one of the highest mercury level. It is OK occasionally ,but on regular basis it is safer to eat smaller size fish. In addition fish oil is a blood thinner. It is not usually an issue for healthy people, but if someone have cardiac stent or circulations problems and taking Plavix and Aspirin, high dose of fish oil in addition to it could cause internal bleeding. For that reason if anybody is going to have surgery, fish oil should be treated the same way aspirin does, and stopped few days before procedure. But if you are careful and use it right, high doses of Fish Oil is great antiinflamatory. Before I discovered LDN it helped me a lot with my Crohn's symptoms.

From: Pat <patinsall@...>

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?

low dose naltrexone , "rkymtnangel65"

<rockymtnangel65@...>

Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 6:41 PM

the arthritis org. recommends high dose fish oil at 2.6 grams 2x

day or 5.2 grams daily

Dr. Barry Sears , author of the anti -inflammation diet recommends

7.5 grams fish oil for 30 days for anyone with a chronic

autoimmune condition such as RA and then go down from there after

adopting his anti-inflammatory diet.

I take almost 5K IU Vit D3 supp for my RA along with 2.4 grams

fish oil

I also eat salmon 3 days /wk and light non-albacure tuna 1 to 2

days /wk

Max Vit 3 daily should be no more than 10000 IU between suppl

pills/food

I hope this helps

Pat

* [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?

Hi. Does anyone know the suggested amount of Vitamin D that we

should be taking daily with LDN for Auto Immune Disorders and

MS? What does Quinn recommend? Any other expert

recommendations? I thought I read somewhere that it should be

5K-10K IU daily?

I see Quinn and Terry Grossman (who originally

prescribed LDN for me) will be speaking at the 2nd European

LDN Conference on April 24th.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hmmm....that's like asking us to predict the weather a month from now.

When you have MS, and other auto immune problems, your right..........you need Vit D, but you have to get a blood test to determine what dosage is needed.

After my blood test, the doctor put me on 5000 iu.

> *Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:19 PM> *Subject:* [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?>> > Hi. Does anyone know the suggested amount of Vitamin D that we> should be taking daily with LDN for Auto Immune Disorders and> MS? What does Quinn recommend? Any other expert> recommendations? I thought I read somewhere that it should be> 5K-10K IU daily?>> I see Quinn and Terry Grossman (who originally> prescribed LDN for me) will be speaking at the 2nd European> LDN Conference on April 24th.>

[Guest guest]

My doctor recomended me Nordic Naturals, second best is Carlson. They use good quality fish from non polluted waters and consistent in providing ammount of omega's claimed on the label. Also if you need to take high dose, she recomends using liquid. One capsule of Costco brand fish oil 1000 mg provides only 300 mg of omega's. 1 teaspoon of Nordic Natural Fish oil provides 1725 mg of omega's. Other good not fish sources of omega's are chia seeds , flax seeds and hemp seeds.

From: Pat <patinsall@...>

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?

low dose naltrexone , "rkymtnangel65"

<rockymtnangel65@...>

Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 6:41 PM

the arthritis org. recommends high dose fish oil at 2.6 grams 2x

day or 5.2 grams daily

Dr. Barry Sears , author of the anti -inflammation diet recommends

7.5 grams fish oil for 30 days for anyone with a chronic

autoimmune condition such as RA and then go down from there after

adopting his anti-inflammatory diet.

I take almost 5K IU Vit D3 supp for my RA along with 2.4 grams

fish oil

I also eat salmon 3 days /wk and light non-albacure tuna 1 to 2

days /wk

Max Vit 3 daily should be no more than 10000 IU between suppl

pills/food

I hope this helps

Pat

* [low dose naltrexone] Vitamin D Daily Amount?

Hi. Does anyone know the suggested amount of Vitamin D that we

should be taking daily with LDN for Auto Immune Disorders and

MS? What does Quinn recommend? Any other expert

recommendations? I thought I read somewhere that it should be

5K-10K IU daily?

I see Quinn and Terry Grossman (who originally

prescribed LDN for me) will be speaking at the 2nd European

LDN Conference on April 24th.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Everyone should maintain vitamin D above 50ng/mL (125

nmol/L).

Remember that two different scales are used.

The proper blood test is 25(OH)D. Some doctors are

erroneously ordering the 1,25(OH)D test.

Gene Beals

[Guest guest]

Many people do not have the enzyme necessary to convert flazseed oil into the important omega-3 fatty acids.... EPA and DHA.... found in fish oils.

mjh

Other good not fish sources of omega's are chia seeds , flax seeds and hemp seeds.

[Guest guest]

Gene, 25-D of greater than 50ng/ml may be a dangerous level for some people who

might develop high levels of serum calcium. There is a reason that D3 is used

for rat poison. You need to look at both the 25-D and the 1,25-D to have any

hope of understanding what is going on in your body. If your 1,25-D is normal or

high, it makes absolutely no sense to take D3. It is not a vitamin but a

seco-steroidal hormone, that is primarily immuno-suppressive and should not be

used with LDN in my professional opinion for this exact reason.

P.B.

>

> Everyone should maintain vitamin D above 50ng/mL (125 nmol/L).

>

>

>

> Remember that two different scales are used.

>

>

>

> The proper blood test is 25(OH)D. Some doctors are erroneously ordering the

> 1,25(OH)D test.

>

>

>

> Gene Beals

>

[Guest guest]

PB, I believe that you are at odds with Drs Mercola and Cannell who advocate vitamin D for boosting the immune system. Both of my close relatives who are on LDN take at least 5000 IU of vitamin D per day. They are both doing very well. SteveGene, 25-D of greater than 50ng/ml may be a dangerous level for some people who might develop high levels of serum calcium. There is a reason

that D3 is used for rat poison. You need to look at both the 25-D and the 1,25-D to have any hope of understanding what is going on in your body. If your 1,25-D is normal or high, it makes absolutely no sense to take D3. It is not a vitamin but a seco-steroidal hormone, that is primarily immuno-suppressive and should not be used with LDN in my professional opinion for this exact reason.

P.B.

>

> Everyone should maintain vitamin D above 50ng/mL (125 nmol/L).

>

>

>

> Remember that two different scales are used.

>

>

>

> The proper blood test

is 25(OH)D. Some doctors are erroneously ordering the

> 1,25(OH)D test.

>

>

>

> Gene Beals

>

[Guest guest]

Your not at odds. Those people with a disfuntional D-metabolite problem can cause damage with too much Vitamin D added. The test required for those rare people [ some types of autoimmune problems] require both d- levels and the ratio between them.It is not one size fits all. Hyper and Hypo Glycemia have the same symptoms, half of the time, the long term use of added insulin for hypoglycemia [low blood sugar[ is counter productive. They are oposite but can both have insulin shock,but for opposite reasons.

From: low dose naltrexone on behalf of STEVEN KLCOSent: Thu 4/8/2010 8:17 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re:Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

PB, I believe that you are at odds with Drs Mercola and Cannell who advocate vitamin D for boosting the immune system. Both of my close relatives who are on LDN take at least 5000 IU of vitamin D per day. They are both doing very well. SteveGene, 25-D of greater than 50ng/ml may be a dangerous level for some people who might develop high levels of serum calcium. There is a reason that D3 is used for rat poison. You need to look at both the 25-D and the 1,25-D to have any hope of understanding what is going on in your body. If your 1,25-D is normal or high, it makes absolutely no sense to take D3. It is not a vitamin but a seco-steroidal hormone, that is primarily immuno-suppressive and should not be used with LDN in my professional opinion for this exact reason. P.B.>> Everyone should maintain vitamin D above 50ng/mL (125 nmol/L).> > > > Remember that two different scales are used.> > > > The proper blood test is 25(OH)D. Some doctors are erroneously ordering the> 1,25(OH)D test.> > > > Gene Beals>

[Guest guest]

My vitamin D level runs around 23-26 which is tested by my oncologist. She keeps pushing me to take it but I have tried every form of it at different doses and I have the same reaction-increased body pain both in muscles and bones and agitation and irritability. I just gave up on it because it makes me feel miserable. Could my reaction have anything to do with what you are talking about. A lot of women with breast cancer test low in vit d.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 9, 2010, at 5:06 PM, "Ron Ball" <rball@...> wrote:

Your not at odds. Those people with a disfuntional D-metabolite problem can cause damage with too much Vitamin D added. The test required for those rare people [ some types of autoimmune problems] require both d- levels and the ratio between them.It is not one size fits all. Hyper and Hypo Glycemia have the same symptoms, half of the time, the long term use of added insulin for hypoglycemia [low blood sugar[ is counter productive. They are oposite but can both have insulin shock,but for opposite reasons.

From: low dose naltrexone on behalf of STEVEN KLCOSent: Thu 4/8/2010 8:17 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re:Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

PB, I believe that you are at odds with Drs Mercola and Cannell who advocate vitamin D for boosting the immune system. Both of my close relatives who are on LDN take at least 5000 IU of vitamin D per day. They are both doing very well. SteveGene, 25-D of greater than 50ng/ml may be a dangerous level for some people who might develop high levels of serum calcium. There is a reason that D3 is used for rat poison. You need to look at both the 25-D and the 1,25-D to have any hope of understanding what is going on in your body. If your 1,25-D is normal or high, it makes absolutely no sense to take D3. It is not a vitamin but a seco-steroidal hormone, that is primarily immuno-suppressive and should not be used with LDN in my professional opinion for this exact reason. P.B.>> Everyone should maintain vitamin D above 50ng/mL (125 nmol/L).> > > > Remember that two different scales are used.> > > > The proper blood test is 25(OH)D. Some doctors are erroneously ordering the> 1,25(OH)D test.> > > > Gene Beals>

[Guest guest]

That is not your D level, it is only one of them. you need both. one converts into the other, and the ratio is most important.

From: Sally Swearinger [mailto:sswearinger@...]Sent: Fri 4/9/2010 5:29 PMRon BallCc: STEVEN KLCO; <low dose naltrexone >Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re:Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

My vitamin D level runs around 23-26 which is tested by my oncologist. She keeps pushing me to take it but I have tried every form of it at different doses

and I have the same reaction-increased body pain both in muscles and bones and agitation and irritability. I just gave up on it because it makes me feel miserable. Could my reaction have anything to do with what you are talking about. A lot of women with breast cancer test low in vit d.Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2010, at 5:06 PM, "Ron Ball" <rball@...> wrote:

Your not at odds. Those people with a disfuntional D-metabolite problem can cause damage with too much Vitamin D added. The test required for those rare people [ some types of autoimmune problems] require both d- levels and the ratio between them.It is not one size fits all. Hyper and Hypo Glycemia have the same symptoms, half of the time, the long term use of added insulin for hypoglycemia [low blood sugar[ is counter productive. They are oposite but can both have insulin shock,but for opposite reasons.

From: low dose naltrexone on behalf of STEVEN KLCOSent: Thu 4/8/2010 8:17 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re:Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

PB, I believe that you are at odds with Drs Mercola and Cannell who advocate vitamin D for boosting the immune system. Both of my close relatives who are on LDN take at least 5000 IU of vitamin D per day. They are both doing very well. SteveGene, 25-D of greater than 50ng/ml may be a dangerous level for some people who might develop high levels of serum calcium. There is a reason that D3 is used for rat poison. You need to look at both the 25-D and the 1,25-D to have any hope of understanding what is going on in your body. If your 1,25-D is normal or high, it makes absolutely no sense to take D3. It is not a vitamin but a seco-steroidal hormone, that is primarily immuno-suppressive and should not be used with LDN in my professional opinion for this exact reason. P.B.>> Everyone should maintain vitamin D above 50ng/mL (125 nmol/L).> > > > Remember that two different scales are used.> > > > The proper blood test is 25(OH)D. Some doctors are erroneously ordering the> 1,25(OH)D test.> > > > Gene Beals>

[Guest guest]

Ron,

I’m not sure what you mean by the ratio? Please advise

My Vit D OH 25 test is 43, do I need to be looking at some other

test?

Much thanks

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Ron Ball

Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:45 AM

Sally Swearinger

Cc: STEVEN KLCO; low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re:Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

That is not your D level, it is only one of them. you need

both. one converts into the other, and the ratio is most important.

From: Sally Swearinger [mailto:sswearinger@...]

Sent: Fri 4/9/2010 5:29 PM

Ron Ball

Cc: STEVEN KLCO; <low dose naltrexone >

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re:Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

My vitamin D level runs around 23-26 which is tested by my

oncologist. She keeps pushing me to take it but I have tried every form of it

at different doses

and I have the same reaction-increased body pain both in

muscles and bones and agitation and irritability. I just gave up on it because

it makes me feel miserable. Could my reaction have anything to do with what you

are talking about. A lot of women with breast cancer test low in vit d.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2010, at 5:06 PM, " Ron Ball " <rball@...> wrote:

Your not at odds. Those people with a disfuntional D-metabolite

problem can cause damage with too much Vitamin D added. The test required for

those rare people [ some types of autoimmune problems] require both d- levels

and the ratio between them.It is not one size fits

all. Hyper and Hypo Glycemia have the same symptoms, half of the time,

the long term use of added insulin for hypoglycemia [low blood sugar[ is

counter productive. They are oposite but can both have insulin shock,but for

opposite reasons.

From: low dose naltrexone on behalf

of STEVEN KLCO

Sent: Thu 4/8/2010 8:17 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re:Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

PB, I believe

that you are at odds with Drs Mercola and Cannell who advocate vitamin D for

boosting the immune system. Both of my close relatives who are on LDN

take at least 5000 IU of vitamin D per day. They are both doing very

well.

Steve

Gene, 25-D of greater than 50ng/ml may be a dangerous level for some people who

might develop high levels of serum calcium. There is a reason that D3 is used

for rat poison. You need to look at both the 25-D

and the 1,25-D to have any hope of understanding what is going on in your body.

If your 1,25-D is normal or high, it makes absolutely no sense to take D3. It

is not a vitamin but a seco-steroidal hormone, that is primarily immuno-suppressive

and should not be used with LDN in my professional opinion for this exact

reason.

P.B.

>

> Everyone should maintain vitamin D above 50ng/mL (125 nmol/L).

>

>

>

> Remember that two different scales are used.

>

>

>

> The proper blood test is 25(OH)D. Some

doctors are erroneously ordering the

> 1,25(OH)D test.

>

>

>

> Gene Beals

>

[Guest guest]

Ron and Pat, We no longer use the D ratio as an indicator of D dysregulation,

since so many people are disrupting their normal homeostasis with D3

supplements. The ratio is only really useful if you have not been taking D3. You

do need to look at 1,25-D levels to understand human D metabolism, and a great

many people with relativity low 25-D levels will have very high 1,25-D levels.

1,25-D test must be frozen for transport or results are corrupted, no matter

what the lab says.

http://www.chronicillnessrecovery.org/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & \

id=158

Inflamed macrophages can produce 1,25-D from the 25-D outside of the kidneys.

A recent study has shown that mortality is highest when your 25-D level is

greater than 50ng/ml. (worst than a low level!)

We strongly disagree with Mercola and Cannell, who fail to understand that the

problem with immune function with low 25-D levels is caused by the vitamin D

receptor being blocked by infection, and that the 1,25-D fails to be able to

adequately dock with the receptor, and 25-D does not effectively agonize the

receptor at physiologic levels. We increase innate immune response by using a

calcitriol analog. In our experience D3 just blocks functionality of the

receptor.

best, P.B.

>

> Ron,

>

> I'm not sure what you mean by the ratio? Please advise

>

> My Vit D OH 25 test is 43, do I need to be looking at some other test?

>

> Much thanks

>

>

>

>

>

> From: low dose naltrexone

> [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Ron Ball

> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:45 AM

> Sally Swearinger

> Cc: STEVEN KLCO; low dose naltrexone

> Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re:Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

>

>

>

>

>

> That is not your D level, it is only one of them. you need both. one

> converts into the other, and the ratio is most important.

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

[Guest guest]

reading about the Vitamin D level needed for optimal health...I am very confused....

please could somebody clarify what EXACTLY the test is you need to measure Vit D? and I am presently taking 4-5000 Vit D3 a day, plus trying to get 30 minutes sun a day when I can....

my level was in mid 30's which I don't think is good enough...am I correct

thank you for any help ....kaaren

[Guest guest]

search?query=vitamin+d seems to be a lot of groups that have Vitamin D as their tag, maybe everyone who has issues with Vitamin D can find discussions about it on them?

here's some I found from those 11+ pages:

VDDSupport

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Seems to be a lot of Vitamin D groups created, has just 1 member and no activity...but one of the above may help all those Vitamin D questions

[low dose naltrexone] Re:Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

reading about the Vitamin D level needed for optimal health...I am very confused....

please could somebody clarify what EXACTLY the test is you need to measure Vit D? and I am presently taking 4-5000 Vit D3 a day, plus trying to get 30 minutes sun a day when I can....

my level was in mid 30's which I don't think is good enough...am I correct

thank you for any help ....kaaren

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Our doctor checks our Vitamin D3 levels through commercial labs. The test is "Vitamin D3".

As for levels...before our blood test we were on 2000 iu's, after our blood test...5000 iu's, except for our son who is on 10,000 iu's for 6 weeks. His level was dangerously low. He will be tested at the end of the 6 weeks to reassess what level he needs to be on.

Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

Posted by: "kaaren white" kaarenw1@...

Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:04 am (PDT)

reading about the Vitamin D level needed for optimal health...I am very confused....please could somebody clarify what EXACTLY the test is you need to measure Vit D? and I am presently taking 4-5000 Vit D3 a day, plus trying to get 30 minutes sun a day when I can....my level was in mid 30's which I don't think is good enough...am I correctthank you for any help ....kaaren

[Guest guest]

There are two different scales used to measure the 25(OH)D

test.

Most tests in the US use ng/mL.

From everything I have read, you should use the test 25(OH)D,

and you should attempt to get your level up to at least 50 ng/mL, which is

equivalent to approximately 125 nmol/L.

It is always important to provide the unit of measure,

rather than just stating a test number with no units.

Again, from what I have read, do not use the 1,25(OH)D test.

Some references for vitamin D:

http://www.mercola.com/Article/Vitamin-D-References.htm

Gene Beals

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G. Beals, Once again you give dangerous medical advice to others. Levels of

25-D above 50ng/ml show more association with overall mortality than even levels

below 20ng/ml!

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/168/15/1629/IOI80065F2

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content-nw/full/168/15/1629/IOI80065F1

mortality starts to increase above 35ng/ml in above graph.

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/djn152

Conclusion: The findings of this large prospective study do not support the

hypothesis that vitamin D is associated with decreased risk of prostate cancer;

indeed, higher circulating 25(OH)D concentrations may be associated with

increased risk of aggressive

disease.

http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2009/vitaminD0109.htm

In my opinion Mercola is in grave error, and you might remember that he is

selling tanning devices so he has a big financial interest in pushing vitamin D.

He no longer recommends taking megadoses of oral vitamin D, as he himself

reportedly overdosed.

You have to look at both the 1,25-D and 25-D (and calcium and PTH) or you are

just lost. Would you just look at Thyroid stimulation hormone and if low take

some? No, that would be an invalid and dangerous approach.

best, P.B.

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> There are two different scales used to measure the 25(OH)D test.

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> Most tests in the US use ng/mL.

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> From everything I have read, you should use the test 25(OH)D, and you should

> attempt to get your level up to at least 50 ng/mL, which is equivalent to

> approximately 125 nmol/L.

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> It is always important to provide the unit of measure, rather than just

> stating a test number with no units.

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> Again, from what I have read, do not use the 1,25(OH)D test.

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> Some references for vitamin D:

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> http://www.mercola.com/Article/Vitamin-D-References.htm

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> Gene Beals

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[Guest guest]

I’m confused

I am getting my yearly physical done on 5/3

I usually get a Vit D 25 OH D test done

In the past Quest had done a 2 prong test

Am I hearing the 2 –prong test needs to be done?

Please advise as to the difference between the 2 tests

I stopped having the Quest test done when news stories said

there may be quality control issues with Quest Vit D test

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Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Vitamin D Daily Amount?

G. Beals, Once again you give dangerous medical

advice to others. Levels of 25-D above 50ng/ml show more association with

overall mortality than even levels below 20ng/ml!

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/168/15/1629/IOI80065F2

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content-nw/full/168/15/1629/IOI80065F1

mortality starts to increase above 35ng/ml in above graph.

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/djn152

Conclusion: The findings of this large prospective study do not support the

hypothesis that vitamin D is associated with decreased risk of prostate cancer;

indeed, higher circulating 25(OH)D concentrations may be associated with

increased risk of aggressive

disease.

http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2009/vitaminD0109.htm

In my opinion Mercola is in grave error, and you might remember that he is

selling tanning devices so he has a big financial interest in pushing vitamin

D. He no longer recommends taking megadoses of oral vitamin D, as he himself

reportedly overdosed.

You have to look at both the 1,25-D and 25-D (and calcium and PTH) or you are

just lost. Would you just look at Thyroid stimulation hormone and if low take

some? No, that would be an invalid and dangerous approach.

best, P.B.

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> There are two different scales used to measure the 25(OH)D test.

>

>

>

> Most tests in the US use ng/mL.

>

>

>

> From everything I have read, you should use the test 25(OH)D, and you

should

> attempt to get your level up to at least 50 ng/mL, which is equivalent to

> approximately 125 nmol/L.

>

>

>

> It is always important to provide the unit of measure, rather than just

> stating a test number with no units.

>

>

>

> Again, from what I have read, do not use the 1,25(OH)D test.

>

>

>

> Some references for vitamin D:

>

>

>

> http://www.mercola.com/Article/Vitamin-D-References.htm

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> Gene Beals

>

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P.B.

You seem to have a strong bias against vitamin D. You are in the minority view

using current research. The prestigious Cleveland Clinic clearly implies that

32ng/ml is an inadequate level.

When is it best to take your Vitamin D?

A study conducted at the Cleveland Clinic Bone Clinic has determined when it is

best to take your Vitamin D. Many patients who take Vitamin D fail to achieve

adequate levels despite taking high doses of Vitamin D. This study explored a

group of patients who had failed to reach adequate levels of Vitamin D despite

taking doses ranging from 1000-50000IU.

The study included patients taking a large range of doses and dosage forms of

Vitamin D. Some were taking D2, while others were taking D3. Some were taking an

oil preparation and others a solid preparation. But all were having difficulty

achieving optimal levels.

* One group was taking approximately 1,400 IUs of Vitamin D3 (either oil or

solid capsule) a day, with a baseline 25OHD averaging 28.9ngms/ml

* One group was taking 50,000 IUs of Vitamin D2 (oil preparation) per week with

a baseline 25OHD averaging 31.3ngs/ml

* One small group of 3 was taking >50,000 (average dose of 183,333 IUs a week)

IUs of Vitamin D2 (oil preparation) per week with a baseline 25OHD averaging

32.4ng/ml.

All the participants were told to keep taking their usual Vitamin D supplement,

but to take it with their largest meal of the day, usually dinner. After two to

three months the participants had their Vitamin D levels measured, and everyone

ended up with an average increase of around 50% over baseline in their Vitamin D

levels.

* patients taking 1,400 IUs of D3 went from 28.9 before to 45.4 ng/mL

* patients taking 50,000 IUs of D2 went from 31.3 before to 48.3 ng/mL

* patients taking >50,000 IUs of D2 went from 32.4 to 48.7 ng/mL

So by the end of the study period, Vitamin D levels had risen to an average of

47.2 ng/ml (118 nmol/l) -an average increase in vitamin D levels of about 57%.

This study is not totally ideal in that it lacked a control group - a group of

individuals who continued to take their Vitamin D as usual and not with the

biggest meal of the day. However the study does show us that even patients who

have difficulty rasing their Vitamin D levels can do so by taking their

supplement with food. It also demonstrated that the formulation of Vitamin D,

either oil-based or a solid tablet formulation, did not make a difference as

some have suspected.

Ref: J Bone Miner Res. 2010 Apr;25(4):928-30.

Taking vitamin D with the largest meal improves absorption and results in higher

serum levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D. Mulligan GB, Licata A.

Department of Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Metabolism, Cleveland Clinic

Foundation, Cleveland, OH 44195, USA.

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> Gene, 25-D of greater than 50ng/ml may be a dangerous level for some people

who might develop high levels of serum calcium. There is a reason that D3 is

used for rat poison. You need to look at both the 25-D and the 1,25-D to have

any hope of understanding what is going on in your body. If your 1,25-D is

normal or high, it makes absolutely no sense to take D3. It is not a vitamin but

a seco-steroidal hormone, that is primarily immuno-suppressive and should not be

used with LDN in my professional opinion for this exact reason.

> P.B.