re joint destruction & Rheumatoid Arthritis

[Guest guest]

Barbara and Pat,

Its great to hear how much of your old RA

joint stuff has resolved after 10months of LDN. I think Ive rescued my fingers

from triggering by my use of LDN even though its now a year and a struggle to

dose right, and with ongoing inflammation.

Please consider taking this to the

rheumatoidarthritis-low dose naltrexone group as well , as it would add to the

ongoing debate.

By the way can we please be clear….as

far as I know it is Dr Berkson, not BIhari who has the significant experience

of ALA with

LDN and AP.

Cheers

Nuala

From:

low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of Pat

Sent: 12 March 2010 22:30

'barbara lochner'; low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone]

re joint destruction & Rheumatoid Arthritis

Barbara,

Even though antibiotics like minocycline or doxycycline have

immunolodating properties, I don’t believe they would be considered an

immunosuppressing drug such as Enbrel, etc…

I also believe Placquenil , an anti-malaria drug has been used for

decades to successfully treat RA is also not considered an immunosupressing drug

Can anyone else confirm that Placquenil can be used with RA. It

seems that antibiotics can since Dr Bahari uses AP with LDN for some of

his RA patients where the combo works well. I know some RA folks due well

with just LDN and some good herbals

Hope this helps

Pat

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of barbara lochner

Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:11

AM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re

joint destruction & Rheumatoid Arthritis

After I was dx

with RA I began to investigate alternatives to RA meds and never went on

them. I was looking for a DR who did the Marshall Protocol - The Road

Back Foundation, long term low dose antibiotics - when the DR said lets

treat the adrenal first...

After I started

LDN, my RA began to go away. At that time, my right thumb & index

finger were locked, with the joint in my thumb protruding, and my left

little finger had doubled in size. Ten months later my thumb and index

finger are unlocked. The protrusion is down and so is the size of my

little finger. I still have knobs on my wrists but I have lost 8 lbs on

LDN and maybe that's why they still look big.

If those meds

block your immune system you need to get off them. I think only one RA

med does not block - and I don't remember what it is. Am sure others

know.

Barbara Lochner

[Guest guest]

After I was dx with RA I began to investigate alternatives to RA meds and never went on them. I was looking for a DR who did the Marshall Protocol - The Road Back Foundation, long term low dose antibiotics - when the DR said lets treat the adrenal first...After I started LDN, my RA began to go away. At that time, my right thumb & index finger were locked, with the joint in my thumb protruding, and my left little finger had doubled in size. Ten months later my thumb and index finger are unlocked. The protrusion is down and so is the size of my little finger. I still have knobs on my wrists but I have lost 8 lbs on LDN and maybe that's why they still look big. If those meds block your immune system you need to get off them. I think only one RA med does not

block - and I don't remember what it is. Am sure others know.Barbara Lochner

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

Even though antibiotics like minocycline or doxycycline have

immunolodating properties, I don’t believe they would be considered an

immunosuppressing drug such as Enbrel, etc…

I also believe Placquenil , an anti-malaria drug has been used

for decades to successfully treat RA is also not considered an immunosupressing

drug

Can anyone else confirm that Placquenil can be used with RA. It

seems that antibiotics can since Dr Bahari uses AP with LDN for some of his

RA patients where the combo works well. I know some RA folks due well with just

LDN and some good herbals

Hope this helps

Pat

From:

low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On

Behalf Of barbara lochner

Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:11 AM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction & Rheumatoid

Arthritis

After I was dx with RA I began to investigate alternatives

to RA meds and never went on them. I was looking for a DR who did the

Marshall Protocol - The Road Back Foundation, long term low dose antibiotics

- when the DR said lets treat the adrenal first...

After I started LDN, my RA began to go away. At that

time, my right thumb & index finger were locked, with the joint in my

thumb protruding, and my left little finger had doubled in size.

Ten months later my thumb and index finger are unlocked. The protrusion

is down and so is the size of my little finger. I still have knobs on

my wrists but I have lost 8 lbs on LDN and maybe that's why they still look

big.

If those meds block your immune system you need to get off

them. I think only one RA med does not block - and I don't remember

what it is. Am sure others know.

Barbara Lochner

[Guest guest]

Sorry correction to my email below- my question was Can plaquenil

be used with LDN?

From: Pat

[mailto:patinsall@...]

Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:30 PM

'barbara lochner'; 'low dose naltrexone '

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction & Rheumatoid Arthritis

Barbara,

Even though antibiotics like minocycline or doxycycline have

immunolodating properties, I don’t believe they would be considered an

immunosuppressing drug such as Enbrel, etc…

I also believe Placquenil , an anti-malaria drug has been used

for decades to successfully treat RA is also not considered an immunosupressing

drug

Can anyone else confirm that Placquenil can be used with RA. It

seems that antibiotics can since Dr Bahari uses AP with LDN for some of

his RA patients where the combo works well. I know some RA folks due well

with just LDN and some good herbals

Hope this helps

Pat

From:

low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On

Behalf Of barbara lochner

Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:11 AM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction & Rheumatoid

Arthritis

After I was dx with RA I began to investigate alternatives

to RA meds and never went on them. I was looking for a DR who did the

Marshall Protocol - The Road Back Foundation, long term low dose antibiotics

- when the DR said lets treat the adrenal first...

After I started LDN, my RA began to go away. At that

time, my right thumb & index finger were locked, with the joint in my

thumb protruding, and my left little finger had doubled in size. Ten

months later my thumb and index finger are unlocked. The protrusion is

down and so is the size of my little finger. I still have knobs on my

wrists but I have lost 8 lbs on LDN and maybe that's why they still look big.

If those meds block your immune system you need to get off

them. I think only one RA med does not block - and I don't remember

what it is. Am sure others know.

Barbara Lochner

[Guest guest]

My LDN doctor has me on both so i guess it must be fine.

terri

From: Pat <patinsall@...>Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction & Rheumatoid Arthritis"'barbara lochner'" <blochner2001@...>, low dose naltrexone Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 10:30 PM

Barbara,

Even though antibiotics like minocycline or doxycycline have immunolodating properties, I don’t believe they would be considered an immunosuppressing drug such as Enbrel, etc…

I also believe Placquenil , an anti-malaria drug has been used for decades to successfully treat RA is also not considered an immunosupressing drug

Can anyone else confirm that Placquenil can be used with RA. It seems that antibiotics can since Dr Bahari uses AP with LDN for some of his RA patients where the combo works well. I know some RA folks due well with just LDN and some good herbals

Hope this helps

Pat

From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:lowdosenalt rexone@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of barbara lochnerSent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:11 AMlow dose naltrexoneSubject: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction & Rheumatoid Arthritis

After I was dx with RA I began to investigate alternatives to RA meds and never went on them. I was looking for a DR who did the Marshall Protocol - The Road Back Foundation, long term low dose antibiotics - when the DR said lets treat the adrenal first...

After I started LDN, my RA began to go away. At that time, my right thumb & index finger were locked, with the joint in my thumb protruding, and my left little finger had doubled in size. Ten months later my thumb and index finger are unlocked. The protrusion is down and so is the size of my little finger. I still have knobs on my wrists but I have lost 8 lbs on LDN and maybe that's why they still look big.

If those meds block your immune system you need to get off them. I think only one RA med does not block - and I don't remember what it is. Am sure others know.Barbara Lochner

[Guest guest]

Please be sure to do your own research on the side effects of Plaquenil. Eye

problems are listed as a rare side effect, but it happened to my brother - even

with the routine visits to an ophthalmologist. I know if he had it to do over,

he never would have stayed on Plaq for so long.

Steve

>

> Sorry correction to my email below- my question was Can plaquenil be used

> with LDN?

>

>

>

>

>

> From: Pat [mailto:patinsall@...]

> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:30 PM

> 'barbara lochner'; 'low dose naltrexone '

> Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction & Rheumatoid Arthritis

>

>

>

> Barbara,

>

> Even though antibiotics like minocycline or doxycycline have immunolodating

> properties, I don't believe they would be considered an immunosuppressing

> drug such as Enbrel, etc.

>

> I also believe Placquenil , an anti-malaria drug has been used for decades

> to successfully treat RA is also not considered an immunosupressing drug

>

> Can anyone else confirm that Placquenil can be used with RA. It seems that

> antibiotics can since Dr Bahari uses AP with LDN for some of his RA

> patients where the combo works well. I know some RA folks due well with just

> LDN and some good herbals

>

> Hope this helps

>

> Pat

>

>

>

> From: low dose naltrexone

> [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of barbara lochner

> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:11 AM

> low dose naltrexone

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction & Rheumatoid Arthritis

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> After I was dx with RA I began to investigate alternatives to RA meds and

> never went on them. I was looking for a DR who did the Marshall Protocol -

> The Road Back Foundation, long term low dose antibiotics - when the DR said

> lets treat the adrenal first...

>

> After I started LDN, my RA began to go away. At that time, my right thumb &

> index finger were locked, with the joint in my thumb protruding, and my

> left little finger had doubled in size. Ten months later my thumb and index

> finger are unlocked. The protrusion is down and so is the size of my little

> finger. I still have knobs on my wrists but I have lost 8 lbs on LDN and

> maybe that's why they still look big.

>

>

>

> If those meds block your immune system you need to get off them. I think

> only one RA med does not block - and I don't remember what it is. Am sure

> others know.

>

> Barbara Lochner

>

[Guest guest]

I ditto that on Plaquenil. I am hoping if the LDN starts working

for me, I won’t have to go on Plaquenil. The antibiotic therapy on

doxycycline for 2 months now just doesn’t seem to be working, actually

making flaring worse. I am also going to add high dose fish oil to my supps. I

am also up to almost 5000 IU Vit D3

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of even1

Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:48 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: Re: FW: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction &

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Please be sure to do your own research on the

side effects of Plaquenil. Eye problems are listed as a rare side effect, but

it happened to my brother - even with the routine visits to an ophthalmologist.

I know if he had it to do over, he never would have stayed on Plaq for so long.

Steve

>

> Sorry correction to my email below- my question was Can plaquenil be used

> with LDN?

>

>

>

>

>

> From: Pat [mailto:patinsall@...]

> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:30 PM

> 'barbara lochner'; 'low dose naltrexone '

> Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction & Rheumatoid

Arthritis

>

>

>

> Barbara,

>

> Even though antibiotics like minocycline or doxycycline have

immunolodating

> properties, I don't believe they would be considered an immunosuppressing

> drug such as Enbrel, etc.

>

> I also believe Placquenil , an anti-malaria drug has been used for decades

> to successfully treat RA is also not considered an immunosupressing drug

>

> Can anyone else confirm that Placquenil can be used with RA. It seems that

> antibiotics can since Dr Bahari uses AP with LDN for some of his RA

> patients where the combo works well. I know some RA folks due well with

just

> LDN and some good herbals

>

> Hope this helps

>

> Pat

>

>

>

> From: low dose naltrexone

> [mailto:low dose naltrexone ]

On Behalf Of barbara lochner

> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:11 AM

> low dose naltrexone

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re joint destruction & Rheumatoid

Arthritis

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> After I was dx with RA I began to investigate alternatives to RA meds and

> never went on them. I was looking for a DR who did the Marshall Protocol -

> The Road Back Foundation, long term low dose antibiotics - when the DR

said

> lets treat the adrenal first...

>

> After I started LDN, my RA began to go away. At that time, my right thumb

&

> index finger were locked, with the joint in my thumb protruding, and my

> left little finger had doubled in size. Ten months later my thumb and

index

> finger are unlocked. The protrusion is down and so is the size of my

little

> finger. I still have knobs on my wrists but I have lost 8 lbs on LDN and

> maybe that's why they still look big.

>

>

>

> If those meds block your immune system you need to get off them. I think

> only one RA med does not block - and I don't remember what it is. Am sure

> others know.

>

> Barbara Lochner

>

[Guest guest]

Barbara LochnerFrom: paul battle <paulbatt@...>Subject: Re:re joint destruction & Rheumatoid Arthritisblochner2001@...Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:46 AMYou should investigate Trevor Marshall before you put any credence in

what he says. He is not a scientist he is an engineer. Just google him and research him.

[Guest guest]

I believe the answer is yes. Based on what I've read on here, Plaquenil,

sulfasalazine, and low-dose prednisone (10 mg or less per day) can all be used

with LDN. Which is good, because it means one can wait for the LDN to start

working before trying to taper off of them.

Phil

>

> Sorry correction to my email below- my question was Can plaquenil be used

> with LDN?

>