bad days and communication

[Guest guest]

hi

this was sent to another list, but i am including it to our list.

how nice to have our two posters love each other!

it is important to realize boundaries.

remember, we are not responsible for the choices of others.

be clear about that. we are responsible for our choices!

think about it. if anyone's behaviour determines our behaviour in a

linear fashion

than we are saying we have no free will. those who believe this must

be very frightened ,unhappy, and angry.

in order to break the chain of reaction we must first stop blaming

ourselves and

others. than we need to take responsibility for what we have created

in our life.

what we are creating.

what do you want to create? what is possible to create?

in the saddest expression of non free thinking writ large in recent

years, the usa

has bombed and shot innocent people and started to destroy more of our moral

liberties at home.

bin laden made us do it! if your child came home and told you,

" johnny made me do it " , would you accept this?

it is not the injuries or trauma we recieve from others, it is what we do to

ourselves that causes most of the damage in our lives.

jesus was clear about this.

--

best

william meyer

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

This is a support and information group for sick people some of who may

not be doing well enough to care for themselves never mind give any

thought as to what goes on outside of their bedroom, at times anyway,

and when they do, there are other ways to find out than here. How would

you like to be on the line and about to pull the trigger and then come

here and read a message like that below? " BANG " That is what I think

and even though most do not have a gun there are other ways of doing it,

such as overdose, which would mean I would go to sleep and never wake

up. Your post is political at best and neither supportive nor

informational at worst. Be careful where you post this kind of stuff,

note the newsgroup and please, oh please, consider your " audience "

Having a very bad few days, Michele

[ ] bad days and communication

hi

this was sent to another list, but i am including it to our list.

how nice to have our two posters love each other!

it is important to realize boundaries.

remember, we are not responsible for the choices of others.

be clear about that. we are responsible for our choices!

think about it. if anyone's behaviour determines our behaviour in a

linear fashion

than we are saying we have no free will. those who believe this must

be very frightened ,unhappy, and angry.

in order to break the chain of reaction we must first stop blaming

ourselves and

others. than we need to take responsibility for what we have created

in our life.

what we are creating.

what do you want to create? what is possible to create?

in the saddest expression of non free thinking writ large in recent

years, the usa

has bombed and shot innocent people and started to destroy more of our

moral

liberties at home.

bin laden made us do it! if your child came home and told you,

" johnny made me do it " , would you accept this?

it is not the injuries or trauma we recieve from others, it is what we

do to

ourselves that causes most of the damage in our lives.

jesus was clear about this.

--

best

william meyer

[Guest guest]

hi all

michele wrote me this kind reply and i offer again that anyone on

this list will receive as good information as can be gotten anywhere in

the world on lyme.

for myself, it is a year since my bite and i am doing well.

as i say, the colloidal silver i am making and drinking along with

the MSM seems

to be helping.

>Dear ,

>This is a support and information group for sick people some of who may

>not be doing well enough to care for themselves never mind give any

>thought as to what goes on outside of their bedroom, at times anyway,

>and when they do, there are other ways to find out than here. How would

>you like to be on the line and about to pull the trigger and then come

>here and read a message like that below? " BANG " That is what I think

>and even though most do not have a gun there are other ways of doing it,

>such as overdose, which would mean I would go to sleep and never wake

>up. Your post is political at best and neither supportive nor

>informational at worst. Be careful where you post this kind of stuff,

>note the newsgroup and please, oh please, consider your " audience "

>Having a very bad few days, Michele

--

best

william meyer

[Guest guest]

Be careful where you post this kind of stuff,

> note the newsgroup and please, oh please, consider your " audience "

You GO girl!!!!! *-) ( you said what I was thinking)

[Guest guest]

I believe this original post was what is called magical thinking.

We do NOT have free will over many things. If you look at the whole

spectrum of life as a unity, from single celled micro organisms up to

humans, where is free will? It is in there, but within a range

called accident, fate, environment, genetics, etc etc. I recently

watched a movie called Winged Migration, following birds over their

migrations aroudn the earth--some species migrate 12000 miles every

year. There was one bird whose wing broke in an accident. It showed

him on the beach, left behind by his flock, and being attacked by

crabs. He kept trying to run away but could not and finally they

surrounded him and killed him. Where was his free will? And why

would " God " make a universe where all of life except us does NOT have

free will; and why would God make a universe where some of that life

has nothing to do with us at all, like life at the deep sea vents,

which flourishes, while we are totally unaware. A good look at

biology shows a different truth.

So if you happened to be unlucky and your genetic lottery plus

walking in the wrong garden or hiking in the wrong field/mountain,

got you a bunch of really virulent tickborne diseases, and you feel

awful, you don't have a lot of control over that. You can try to do

your best, fight in what ways you can, and try your best to have

strength and find some happiness, but there is no way that " blame the

victim " works in such cases. It's just magical thinking because

people are afraid to face how little control they DO have over their

lives; speaking of Bin Laden, as little control as the people who

died in the WOrld Trade Center, including the firemen who did make

the choice to become firemen but never thought they'd have to ascend

into 100 story bombed buildings and die in them.

My view is that compassion for life's hardships, and for those who

suffer their share of them, is much kinder than " you make your own

reality. "

> Dear ,

> This is a support and information group for sick people some of who

may

> not be doing well enough to care for themselves never mind give any

> thought as to what goes on outside of their bedroom, at times

anyway,

> and when they do, there are other ways to find out than here. How

would

> you like to be on the line and about to pull the trigger and then

come

> here and read a message like that below? " BANG " That is what I

think

> and even though most do not have a gun there are other ways of

doing it,

> such as overdose, which would mean I would go to sleep and never

wake

> up. Your post is political at best and neither supportive nor

> informational at worst. Be careful where you post this kind of

stuff,

> note the newsgroup and please, oh please, consider your " audience "

> Having a very bad few days, Michele

>

> [ ] bad days and communication

>

> hi

> this was sent to another list, but i am including it to our list.

>

>

>

> how nice to have our two posters love each other!

> it is important to realize boundaries.

> remember, we are not responsible for the choices of others.

> be clear about that. we are responsible for our choices!

> think about it. if anyone's behaviour determines our behaviour in a

> linear fashion

> than we are saying we have no free will. those who believe this must

> be very frightened ,unhappy, and angry.

> in order to break the chain of reaction we must first stop blaming

> ourselves and

> others. than we need to take responsibility for what we have

created

> in our life.

> what we are creating.

> what do you want to create? what is possible to create?

> in the saddest expression of non free thinking writ large in recent

> years, the usa

> has bombed and shot innocent people and started to destroy more of

our

> moral

> liberties at home.

> bin laden made us do it! if your child came home and told you,

> " johnny made me do it " , would you accept this?

> it is not the injuries or trauma we recieve from others, it is what

we

> do to

> ourselves that causes most of the damage in our lives.

> jesus was clear about this.

> --

> best

> william meyer

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This has exactly what to do with LYME disease?? If I wanted to debate

topics like these, I would join that particular newsgroup. Please

leave it on the other newsgroup.......

<<<<<<bin laden made us do it! if your child came home and told you,

" johnny made me do it " , would you accept this?

it is not the injuries or trauma we recieve from others, it is what we

do to

ourselves that causes most of the damage in our lives.

jesus was clear about this.>>>>>

--

Conniek nwnj

When our bodies & minds are out of balance........we suffer!

Leave no stone unturned, research!......The mind is a powerful tool!

[Guest guest]

<<<Be careful where you post this kind of stuff,

note the newsgroup and please, oh please, consider your " audience "

Having a very bad few days, Michele>>>>.

DITTO !!

Conniek nwnj

When our bodies & minds are out of balance........we suffer!

Leave no stone unturned, research!......The mind is a powerful tool!

[Guest guest]

Only those that have suffered seriously from depression.....can

identify.

I know what the edge feels like.

Remember we are here for you. So please email when you feel like you

are on that edge or call a close friend!

This too shall pass...... I want you to come visit this summer when

you are feeling well.

(((((((hugs))))))

Conniek nwnj

When our bodies & minds are out of balance........we suffer!

Leave no stone unturned, research!......The mind is a powerful tool!

[Guest guest]

I thought it sounded AWFULLY like something my VERY ex-housemate would say!

She is a very ditzy and emotionally troubled new age psychiatric social worker -

in Austin, city of the Strange.

But I couldn't figure out what it DOES say, so I stopped reading.

I wasn't going to say anything until someone else didn't care for it.

Everyone has their own idea of what they find comforting, and that of people on

disease mailing lists usually don't share mine.

Dora

[ ] bad days and communication

hi

this was sent to another list, but i am including it to our list.

how nice to have our two posters love each other!

it is important to realize boundaries.

[Guest guest]

Magical thinking?

I still can't figure out what this post exactly said, and since I get depression

too, I really don't want to put much effort into it.

But so that people understand, there is positive magical thinking, and negative

magical thinking. I am actually something of an expert on magical thinking;

since I have bipolar disorder, I have put half of my life into learning of the

different ways to do it; concentrating of course on the constructive ones.

Some new age strands of magical thinking can be particularly dangerous.

I didn't have to see what was supposed to drive me to suicide to conclude this

message smelled awfully like a very negative way of thinking.

One thing that is becoming clearer to me as people post different snippets of

the message, is that the writer was over the edge. I don't find this way of

thinking to make much sense to begin with, but this post isn't coherent. The

ideas he expresses don't make any sense in terms of each other, and there is no

apparent logical progression. If I knew who wrote it, and what city he was

in, I think I might check with the local mental health emergency response team.

If posted it because it expresses how he is feeling, a clearer mode of

communication would have begun, " I am feeling very depressed " , or even, more

urgently, " I am feeling so depressed that nothing seems to make any sense! "

Dora

[ ] Re: bad days and communication

I believe this original post was what is called magical thinking.

[Guest guest]

Aw, thanks! I can use it.

Dora

Thanks, I did not get to church today, but did put this list in the Book Of

Special Intentions to be prayed for last week... Jeannie