Re: Does whey protein convert to morphine like cow cheese does?

[Guest guest]

I think you're referring to whey protein isolate

when you say " pure " . I take it every day as it's

often included in cancer protocols since it's said

to raise glutathionine levels, a powerful antioxidant.

To answer your question, I remember checking on

that question by online searches as to whether it

can convert to morphine and found, as I recall, that the

answer is " no " . It's the casein in milk and cheese that

does (depending on the type of milk used), but it is not

in whey protein. I'm sure someone will correct me if

this is wrong.

annambur wrote:

> A few months ago on this site, I saw discussion regarding

> dairy, especially bovine dairy. There were articles suggesting

> that it converts to a morphine type substance in the body, which

> would we are supposed to avoid while on ldn.

> Does anyone know if this would include pure whey protein,

> such as what is found in the whey protein powder to take

> as a supplement?

> Thanks for the input on this.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Help!! This is the first time I have ever heard about dairy turning into morphine. My diet is quite high in dairy including whey protein isolate, whole cow and goat milk, cottage cheese, homemade kefir, butter, and yogurt. I haven't read anything about LDN that said avoid dairy. LDN at 2 mg is working well for me and I will increase to 2.5 on March 1.

I'd like more solid info on the morphine issue. If that's true, I shouldn't be in pain at all, given my intake of milk!!

Posted by: "annambur" Date: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:29 am ((PST))A few months ago on this site, I saw discussion regardingdairy, especially bovine dairy. There were articles suggestingthat it converts to a morphine type substance in the body, whichwould we are supposed to avoid while on ldn.

[Guest guest]

There is no such problem.

Some people are avoiding dairy for various reasons. It has nothing to do

with whether LDN works or not. Dairy is not restricted for use with LDN.

If you are otherwise happy with your diet, don't worry about it. This idea

that all these foods should be forbidden has nothing to do with LDN. It

has to do with people trying to find further answers with their

health. People are taking things a bit far here and alarming people

unnecessarily. Some people are avoiding gluten, casein (milk products),

etc. That is their choice and may be necessary to their healing, but it is

not a rule for LDN use and those dietary restrictions are not universally

appropriate. Plus, the statement that dairy turns into morphine is not

even true. Some people thrive with dairy in their diets, others

don't. Know thyself.

There is nothing wrong with your continuing with your dairy in your diet if

you are otherwise feeling good.

no worries!

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At 05:05 AM 2/24/2010, you wrote:

>Help!! This is the first time I have ever heard about dairy turning into

>morphine. My diet is quite high in dairy including whey protein isolate,

>whole cow and goat milk, cottage cheese, homemade kefir, butter, and

>yogurt. I haven't read anything about LDN that said avoid dairy. LDN at 2

>mg is working well for me and I will increase to 2.5 on March 1.

>

>I'd like more solid info on the morphine issue. If that's true, I

>shouldn't be in pain at all, given my intake of milk!!

>

> Posted by: " annambur "

> Date: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:29 am ((PST))

>

>A few months ago on this site, I saw discussion regarding

>dairy, especially bovine dairy. There were articles suggesting

>that it converts to a morphine type substance in the body, which

>would we are supposed to avoid while on ldn.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,Do you take LDN for MS? If so:Dr. Jelinek is a physician who has MS. He developed a good MS diet which has helped him and his patients immensely. It is somewhat like Dr. Swank's low fat MS diet. Dr. Swank allows non-fat milk products or no more than two servings of milk products containing 1% fat a day. He believes high saturated fat diets are HORRIBLE for MS patients. I must agree, as I have been mostly on his diet for 23 years and have done quite well with my MS. When I go off of the diet because I'm feeling so good and so "normal", I always have a relapse. FYI, Dr. Swank does allow gluten in the diet. His website is: http://www.swankmsdiet.org/Now back to Dr. Jelinek... he believes in cutting out all cows milk due to molecular mimicry. I copied the following information from his website: There has been long-standing opinion that cow’s milk consumption has a role to play in the development of MS. Recent high quality epidemiological work strongly reinforces those views.1,2 These researchers found a very high correlation between cow’s milk consumption and MS all around the world. Laboratory work from Germany and Canada now provides a possible explanation of why this may be so.3,4 A number of cow’s milk proteins have been shown to be targeted by the immune cells of people with MS. Further injecting them into experimental animals has caused lesions to appear in the central nervous system of the animals. Other researchers have demonstrated how certain proteins in cow’s milk mimic part of myelin oligodendrocyte glycoprotein, the part of myelin thought to initiate the autoimmune reaction in MS.5 Here is his web address if you are interested in reading more: http://www.takingcontrolofmultiplesclerosis.org/index.php?mode=Cows_Milk_ConnectionDr. Jelinek also defends the eating of gluten through several interesting studies and continues to eat foods containing gluten in his MS diet.I know each person is different and you must find the diet that works the best for you. I eat a very low fat diet, I eat foods containing gluten and occasionally have skim milk or 1% ice cream/yogurt. I don't eat cheese. I think it's a good idea to avoid cow's milk or at least stick with non-fat milk products regardless of how milk interacts with LDN. It seems a diet high in dairy is not good regarding MS.AnitaOn Feb 24, 2010, at 6:05 AM, RemoteVwr@... wrote:Help!! This is the first time I have ever heard about dairy turning into morphine. My diet is quite high in dairy including whey protein isolate, whole cow and goat milk, cottage cheese, homemade kefir, butter, and yogurt. I haven't read anything about LDN that said avoid dairy. LDN at 2 mg is working well for me and I will increase to 2.5 on March 1. I'd like more solid info on the morphine issue. If that's true, I shouldn't be in pain at all, given my intake of milk!! Posted by: "annambur" Date: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:29 am ((PST))A few months ago on this site, I saw discussion regardingdairy, especially bovine dairy. There were articles suggestingthat it converts to a morphine type substance in the body, whichwould we are supposed to avoid while on ldn.

[Guest guest]

I use water as a substitute for white colored fluids.

mjh

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Posted by: " " angelamartin@...

Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:27 am (PST)

Dr Jelinek in his first book advocated soya. I understand this is also now a 'no-no'? I am still waiting for his second book to come from Amazon so don't know his feelings on this now ? What about buffalo milk? I am still looking for a good milk alternative. I have tried rice which is not too bad and someone also suggested almond milk but all the cartons I have look at contain sugar ? H E L P.....

[Guest guest]

Dr Jelinek in his first book advocated soya. I understand this is also now a

'no-no'? I am still waiting for his second book to come

from Amazon so don't know his feelings on this now ? What about buffalo milk? I

am still looking for a good milk alternative. I have

tried rice which is not too bad and someone also suggested almond milk but all

the cartons I have look at contain sugar ? H E L P.....

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Message Received: Feb 25 2010, 03:56 AM

From: " Anita Meyers " <anitabmeyers@...>

RemoteVwr@..., low dose naltrexone

Cc:

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Does whey protein convert to morphine like

cow cheese does?

Hi,

Do you take LDN for MS? If so:

Dr. Jelinek is a physician who has MS. He developed a good MS

diet which has helped him and his patients immensely. It is somewhat

like Dr. Swank's low fat MS diet. Dr. Swank allows non-fat milk

products or no more than two servings of milk products containing 1%

fat a day. He believes high saturated fat diets are HORRIBLE for MS

patients. I must agree, as I have been mostly on his diet for 23 years

and have done quite well with my MS. When I go off of the diet because

I'm feeling so good and so " normal " , I always have a relapse. FYI, Dr.

Swank does allow gluten in the diet.

His website is: http://www.swankmsdiet.org/

Now back to Dr. Jelinek... he believes in cutting out all cows

milk due to molecular mimicry. I copied the following information from

his website:

There has been long-standing opinion that cow’s milk consumption has a

role to play in the development of MS. Recent high quality

epidemiological work strongly reinforces those views.1,2 These

researchers found a very high correlation between cow’s milk

consumption and MS all around the world. Laboratory work from Germany

and Canada now provides a possible explanation of why this may be so.

3,4 A number of cow’s milk proteins have been shown to be targeted by

the immune cells of people with MS. Further injecting them into

experimental animals has caused lesions to appear in the central

nervous system of the animals. Other researchers have demonstrated how

certain proteins in cow’s milk mimic part of myelin oligodendrocyte

glycoprotein, the part of myelin thought to initiate the autoimmune

reaction in MS.5

Here is his web address if you are interested in reading more:

http://www.takingcontrolofmultiplesclerosis.org/index.php?

mode=Cows_Milk_Connection

Dr. Jelinek also defends the eating of gluten through several

interesting studies and continues to eat foods containing gluten in

his MS diet.

I know each person is different and you must find the diet that works

the best for you. I eat a very low fat diet, I eat foods containing

gluten and occasionally have skim milk or 1% ice cream/yogurt. I don't

eat cheese. I think it's a good idea to avoid cow's milk or at least

stick with non-fat milk products regardless of how milk interacts with

LDN. It seems a diet high in dairy is not good regarding MS.

Anita

On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:05 AM, RemoteVwr@... wrote:

> Help!! This is the first time I have ever heard about dairy turning

> into morphine. My diet is quite high in dairy including whey protein

> isolate, whole cow and goat milk, cottage cheese, homemade kefir,

> butter, and yogurt. I haven't read anything about LDN that said

> avoid dairy. LDN at 2 mg is working well for me and I will increase

> to 2.5 on March 1.

>

> I'd like more solid info on the morphine issue. If that's true, I

> shouldn't be in pain at all, given my intake of milk!!

>

> Posted by: " annambur "

> Date: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:29 am ((PST))

>

> A few months ago on this site, I saw discussion regarding

> dairy, especially bovine dairy. There were articles suggesting

> that it converts to a morphine type substance in the body, which

> would we are supposed to avoid while on ldn.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can make your own almond milk and put whatever you like in it for a sweetner.Let the almonds (whole or blanched) soak overnight in waterBlend 1 cup almonds with 3-4 cups of water (4 batches is almost 1 gallon)

Strain the mixture through some cheese cloth or a sprout bag(optionally, I strain the mixture again through a metal coffee filter)Sometimes I don't add anything but I have added a little vanilla extract and stevia

If you can get the almonds from a co-op it's cheaper than the pre packaged kindOn Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:40 AM, <foxhillers@...> wrote:

 

I use water as a substitute for white colored fluids.

 

 

mjh

 

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Posted by: " " angelamartin@...

Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:27 am (PST)

Dr Jelinek in his first book advocated soya. I understand this is also now a 'no-no'? I am still waiting for his second book to come from Amazon so don't know his feelings on this now ? What about buffalo milk? I am still looking for a good milk alternative. I have tried rice which is not too bad and someone also suggested almond milk but all the cartons I have look at contain sugar ? H E L P.....

[Guest guest]

I buy Blue Diamond's Almond Breeze (Unsweetened) Vanilla Flavor. I have not kept up with the dialogue on this topic, but if sugar is your concern....it has 0 grams of sugar. I purchase mine at Whole Foods and I have seen it at regular grocery stores, too.

Posted by: " " angelamartinfsmail (DOT) net> <angelamartinfsmail (DOT) net?Subject=+Re%3A%20Does%20whey%20protein%20convert%20to%20morphine%20like%20cow%20cheese%20does%3F> Thu> Feb 25, 2010 5:27 am (PST)>>>> Dr Jelinek in his first book advocated soya. I understand this is also now> a 'no-no'? I am still waiting for his second book to come> from Amazon so don't know his feelings on this now ? What about buffalo> milk? I am still looking for a good milk alternative. I have> tried rice which is not too bad and someone also suggested almond milk but> all the cartons I have look at contain sugar ? H E L P.....>