exhaustion

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Geri,

Some of the exhaustion you feel may be due to your smoking. I have

emphysema from breathing second hand smoke and I feel exhausted very easily.

Maybe you should have some breathing tests.

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>Elaine,

>I suspect that some of us might deny the fatigue we feel. I know that I

>refused to acknowledge it for a long time before I was diagnosed. I

>physically drove myself too hard and thought that I was tired because I was

>trying to deal with more than I could handle. When I first started taking

>the meds after diagnosis, however, the word " fatigue " took on new meaning.

>I couldn't walk across a room without collapsing in exhaustion. I don't

>remember how long this lasted but I do remember one day telling myself that

>I couldn't go on pretending to live that way and I was going to have to

>return to " life " . I dragged myself around and gradually began to come back

>to life - though with considerable aches and pains, mostly because of

>muscle spasm in my back and legs. But, I still associate the severe

>fatigue with the meds, not the disease.

>Take care,

>Geri

>

>

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,

I was run through a battery of respiratory tests at Scripps, including an

exercise test similar to the one they do for an EKG. Believe it or not,

after all the years of smoking, I rank up there with the non-smokers and I

always have in the past when I've had respiratory tests (numerous times

because of shortness of breath and leg weakness.) Scripps concluded that I

might have a heart problem and wanted me to have an angiogram since they

could find no other reason for the shortness of breath. I know it sounds

strange, but they've ruled out all respiratory problems. They've even

stopped nagging me to quit smoking (though it would make their little

doctor hearts go pitter pat if only I would) since they can't pin down a

problem caused by it. The possible heart abnormality showed up on a

thalium EKG they did, so it is something specific they are suspecting, not

a general lack of oxygen or circulatory problem due to smoking. That

leaves me with my only remaining vice intact for now.

Take care,

Geri

[Guest guest]

---Ditto on the sleep apnea/sleep study. I am a 43 year old

Diastrophic and your description of your day sounds like my life a little

more than 2 years ago. Same problem...sleepy, in one hour drives had to stop

half way to take a nap, would lay on couch in afternoon to watch TV and was

out for 4 hours. Had a sleep study and found that I had severe apnea and

that I stopped breathing over 110 times in an hour!! I was told that if I

didn't use a CPAP (a device that goes over your nose and blows air during

your sleep) that I would likely stroke out or have long lasting heart

problems. I will admit to not being able to tolerate the CPAP...no matter

how hard I tried. Finally, through research on the Internet, I found another

possible resource in a mouthpiece that moves your jaw forward and allows

oxygen to flow better. My docs were very skeptical so I had another sleep

study using the device. During the whole night, I only stopped breathing 11

times for about 8 seconds each (and I know that's when I re-adjust myself in

the night). Using the mouthpiece, losing 25 pounds (15 to go) has virtually

eliminated my apnea. I'm a new woman!! No naps. No foggy thinking. I urge

you to get checked and get it resolved. It's more than a matter of being

sleepy...it can be a matter of life and death.

Kate from Michigan

[Guest guest]

I have dealt with sleep problems for many years. For 5 years I was on O2

at night because my levels were low but sleep apnea was ruled out. A few

years ago I went on a mild antidepressant because I hadn't slept well for

5 years and it was really taking a toll on me. I couldn't believe the

difference after the first night although I dealt with bad side effects

for about 8 weeks. Six months ago I decided to attempt to go off of it

and try some more natural things. One simple thing that I was told that

made a tremendous difference is there should not be any electronic

equipment in a bedroom within 5 feet of the bed because of electrical

stimulation. This includes TV's, radio's, computers, and anything else

that has bright LED lights. If this equipment must remain it should be

unplugged before you go to bed. This suggestion sounded so simplistic to

me but I decided to try it. I couldn't believe what a difference it made

in my quality of sleep. I'm a person who relies heavily on nutritional

supplements, some of which also help with sleep, and you can read about

the regimen I follow on my website. Also, I found some great articles on

insomnia on http://www.webmd.com . Hope this helps someone.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, with me it's much more exaustion too - rather than sleepiness. And a

total feeling of muscle weakness - like just raising my arms to unload the

dishwasher feels like lifting weights. I also feel like I can't think

straight (like read an article or something) because it just takes too much

energy.

I will have to watch what I eat more carefully to see if it brings on

symptoms. Do you find that the symptoms come on right away? That would

make it easier to pin down. I just think it's so odd that mine are on this

three-day pattern no matter what I seem to do - although maybe I'll see a

change now that I'm really not eating any sugar or breads.

Kirsten

[Guest guest]

I haven't been on for a while. I guess I have been in denial.

Anyway, I have intense exhaustion especially around the 1-3PM hours

of the day. Maybe my lunch has too many carbs?

Shoshana

[Guest guest]

can anyone suggest the order that i eliminate my three main killers in my

diet and life.

sugar

cigarettes

and

caffeine

i know i cant do all three at once without flipping out, so i was wondering

if anyone had any experience with this and what might aid me in my attempt.

i know that i have to quit them all, but mentally i cant do it all at once,

i am not that strong,

thanks

Donna Jean

[Guest guest]

Oh that's tough.

I was lucky enought to already have quit smoking about 3-4 years ago.

I used the patch and Zyban. I wore the strongest patch for about 3

months then sepped down to the next one for about 1 1/2 - 2 months

then a month on the weakest one. It was something like my 4-5th

attempt and I wanted it to stick. With both the patches and the zyban

I was able to make it stick. I thank God everyday for that.

Which one is bothering you the most right now? I would probably

choose the sugar first. Once you get that craving our of your way and

get on a good candida diet, I would think that then you should go for

cigarettes and then caffeine. Be sure to have lots of fresh veggies

around when you quit smoking and don't give in to the carb craving.

Someone else might have a better suggestion or think of something

that I haven't.

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

Post what numbers? I don't know what you mean.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

OK, so if between the diet, pro- & pre- biotics, Inulin, antifungals, and he

takes Oxygen Elements, we still have too many toxins, right? We started the

colon cleansing about a week ago, and haven't felt any better, but I'm amazed at

the stuff coming out of me. And I went from 1 movement a week to 1-2 per day!

But even if I'm moving stuff out, does it mean that the toxins may not be

getting out? Or is it just too soon? (so hard to be patient!)

Thank you again!!

Chris

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

Oops, I forgot. He's taking L-Glutamine too!

Chris

[Guest guest]

> We are both totally and completely exhausted. Is anyone else like

this? And

> it's all the time. If anyone else is, what does everyone do or take

for that?

>

> I'm guessing it's a thyroid or parathyroid issue, but when I was

tested for

> thyroid problems, back when I had health insurance, they said all

was normal.

> Not that I believe that.

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Chris

Post your numbers . Or go to thyroid .

ne in France

http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

[Guest guest]

Hi

>

> We are both totally and completely exhausted. Is anyone else like this?

> And it's all the time. If anyone else is, what does everyone do or take

> for that?

>

> I'm guessing it's a thyroid or parathyroid issue, but when I was tested

> for thyroid problems, back when I had health insurance, they said all was

> normal. Not that I believe that.

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Somepeople might point to adrenal exhaustion or some such, but the

adrenals can heal. I would point out that toxin load, so common in these

disorders, is probably contributing to exhaustion because it imposes a

pretty severe physical energy drain. Prolonged energy drain is

compensated for by the adrenals, and this could indeed result in adrenals

working too hard.

I believe the secret is to detoxify and avoid toxin sources. Toxins and

lack of oxygen reduce metabolic rate.

Feed the correct bowel bacteria with inulin and thereby reduce the

proliferation of the toxin producers in the bowel.

Do a series of liver flushes to ensure the liver hepatic ducts are not

physically blocked and recirculating toxins rather than eliminating them.

Take antioxidants especially " cold-processed " whey and selenium to give

the liver the support it needs to handle the toxin load.

Eliminate all grain sources, starches, and sugar from the diet. They

result in low pH, low oxygen and a rising toxin load. Eliminate corn,

canola, soy, cottonseed oils too. All the pourable oils are free radical

promoters. If you add any back in, make them only for supplement

purposes. Some olive oil, and cod liver or fish oil would be the ones I'd

recommend.

Take 15 drops 35% hydrogen peroxide in a glass of water every morning on

an empty stomach to increase oxygen levels. Also to increase oxygen

levels, eat a lemon, the whole thing every day, and use more above-ground

vegetables, raw and fresh if you can get them.

Coconut oil will increase metabolic rate.

Good start.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Duncan-

where does one obtain 35% H2O2? I can only find 3% in the stores.

-Patty

>From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: Exhaustion

>Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:49:42 -0800

>

>

>Hi

>

> >

> > We are both totally and completely exhausted. Is anyone else like this?

> > And it's all the time. If anyone else is, what does everyone do or take

> > for that?

> >

> > I'm guessing it's a thyroid or parathyroid issue, but when I was tested

> > for thyroid problems, back when I had health insurance, they said all

>was

> > normal. Not that I believe that.

> >

> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>

>Somepeople might point to adrenal exhaustion or some such, but the

>adrenals can heal. I would point out that toxin load, so common in these

>disorders, is probably contributing to exhaustion because it imposes a

>pretty severe physical energy drain. Prolonged energy drain is

>compensated for by the adrenals, and this could indeed result in adrenals

>working too hard.

>

>I believe the secret is to detoxify and avoid toxin sources. Toxins and

>lack of oxygen reduce metabolic rate.

>

>Feed the correct bowel bacteria with inulin and thereby reduce the

>proliferation of the toxin producers in the bowel.

>

>Do a series of liver flushes to ensure the liver hepatic ducts are not

>physically blocked and recirculating toxins rather than eliminating them.

>

>Take antioxidants especially " cold-processed " whey and selenium to give

>the liver the support it needs to handle the toxin load.

>

>Eliminate all grain sources, starches, and sugar from the diet. They

>result in low pH, low oxygen and a rising toxin load. Eliminate corn,

>canola, soy, cottonseed oils too. All the pourable oils are free radical

>promoters. If you add any back in, make them only for supplement

>purposes. Some olive oil, and cod liver or fish oil would be the ones I'd

>recommend.

>

>Take 15 drops 35% hydrogen peroxide in a glass of water every morning on

>an empty stomach to increase oxygen levels. Also to increase oxygen

>levels, eat a lemon, the whole thing every day, and use more above-ground

>vegetables, raw and fresh if you can get them.

>

>Coconut oil will increase metabolic rate.

>

>Good start.

>

>Duncan Crow

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm using the Super Colon Cleanse capsules (available at most health food

stores). I take 3 per day. I know some people say Psyllium isn't good, but it's

cost effective for now, so I'm starting with that for a little while. I can't

believe what a difference it's made!

Chris

[Guest guest]

A Prebiotic feeds the Probiotics. I know Duncan explains this in detail.

Chris

[Guest guest]

thats what my doc gave me today instead of metamucil

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Date: 12/30/2003 9:08:48 PM Eastern Standard Time

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I'm using the Super Colon Cleanse capsules (available at most health food

stores). I take 3 per day. I know some people say Psyllium isn't good, but

it's

cost effective for now, so I'm starting with that for a little while. I can't

believe what a difference it's made!

Chris

[Guest guest]

What colon cleansing are you doing Chris? Thanks in advance for your

answer.

> Hi Duncan,

>

> OK, so if between the diet, pro- & pre- biotics, Inulin,

antifungals, and he

> takes Oxygen Elements, we still have too many toxins, right? We

started the

> colon cleansing about a week ago, and haven't felt any better, but

I'm amazed at

> the stuff coming out of me. And I went from 1 movement a week to 1-

2 per day!

> But even if I'm moving stuff out, does it mean that the toxins may

not be

> getting out? Or is it just too soon? (so hard to be patient!)

>

> Thank you again!!

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ne,

Thank you for explaining that. I think I've seen others post about those

types of numbers, but didn't know they were about the thyroid. I will definitely

try to get them from my doctor.

Chris

[Guest guest]

> Hi Suzanne,

>

> Post what numbers? I don't know what you mean.

>

> Chris

>

The results of your so-called " normal " thyroid tests , together with

the reference ranges . Most doctors don't know how to interpret

thyroid tests , or do not even run the right tests . What you need

are TSH , free T4 and free T3 . Maybe anti TPO antibodies , anti TSH

receptor antibodies , and anti thyroglobulin antibodies . But at

least the first three tests .

Now it's possible that they REALLY didn't show anything special . But

it's also well possible that they were quite unnormal but the docs

didn't know anything about it .

If you don't have your test results , request them from your doc ,

they are yours , you payed for them !

ne in France

http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,

Nothing has changed at all. I get maybe three hours of sleep a night, and I

am exhausted. Had medical tests, they say Fibromyalgia, but when I started

the VCO the exhaustion went away for weeks. Now it's back.

I just don't know.

Laurie

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open; I am more trusting,†you start becoming that way.â€

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[Guest guest]

Laurie:

Have you changed your diet at all? Added more Carbs?

Bonnie

Exhaustion

Hello,

When I started using the VCO I saw a big drop in my exhaustion. This week it

seems to be getting worse again. Does anyone have any ideas on why? Should I

take more, less, a different brand?

I was really feeling a lot better, now I don't know what has changed. I

haven't changed anything I am doing. Maybe it was a coincedence that i wasn't

exhausted?

Laurie

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i have insomia I have taken sleeping pills . Sometimes I will take melotonin

and it helps. Sometimes I take Unisom. Whatever puts you to sleep. I notice

that I need to exercise and do things all day so my body gets tire.

Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

Laurie:

Have you changed your diet at all? Added more Carbs?

Bonnie

Exhaustion

Hello,

When I started using the VCO I saw a big drop in my exhaustion. This week it

seems to be getting worse again. Does anyone have any ideas on why? Should I

take more, less, a different brand?

I was really feeling a lot better, now I don't know what has changed. I

haven't changed anything I am doing. Maybe it was a coincedence that i wasn't

exhausted?

Laurie

" Every time you are tempted to react in the same old way,

ask if you want to be a prisoner of the past or a pioneer of the future. "

~Deepak Chopra~

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Thought I'd mention this...

My daughter (teen-ager) can't take coconut oil at night because it

revs her up and keeps her awake. Don't take your oil at night if you

have trouble sleeping.

-Patty

Laurie:

>

> Have you changed your diet at all? Added more Carbs?

>

> Bonnie

>

> Exhaustion

>

> Hello,

> When I started using the VCO I saw a big drop in my exhaustion.

This week it seems to be getting worse again. Does anyone have any

ideas on why? Should I take more, less, a different brand?

> I was really feeling a lot better, now I don't know what has

changed. I haven't changed anything I am doing. Maybe it was a

coincedence that i wasn't exhausted?

> Laurie

>

> " Every time you are tempted to react in the same old way,

> ask if you want to be a prisoner of the past or a pioneer of the

future. "

>

> ~Deepak Chopra~

>

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[Guest guest]

Oh, Firbromyalgia, that explains it. When did you first become aware that you

had this condition? I'm asking this because this can be caused by a Virus and

you need to (if you have one of several) find out which one it is. Maybe I can

help.

Bonnie

Re: Exhaustion

Bonnie,

Nothing has changed at all. I get maybe three hours of sleep a night, and I

am exhausted. Had medical tests, they say Fibromyalgia, but when I started

the VCO the exhaustion went away for weeks. Now it's back.

I just don't know.

Laurie

“Listen to your I AM’s. You are your I AM’s – the ones you feel in

your

gut. And the moment that you say, “I refuse to listen to my limitations any

more; I refuse to be this or that; I am happier; I am healthier; I am more

open; I am more trusting,†you start becoming that way.â€

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